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>>781143

The Ethiopian Orthodox church requires its male adherents to be circumcised, so it's heretical.

>>781143

Schismatic, but otherwise I admire them and their tradition.

>>781143

Really interesting, it is odd to find how different they are from the other Orthodox, being isolated and surrounded by Beta Jews and Muslims really changed how their church functions.

>>781143

Isn't the heretical book of Enoch considered cannon over there?

>>781177

It wasn't heretical for Jude.

>>781177

Well, they do have arguably the largest cannon of any church:

http://www.biblestudymagazine.com/extras-1/2014/10/31/whats-in-the-bible

>>781189

>Jude never referenced a book or a prophet of Enoch, just the teachings of someone named Enoch.

You can do better than this. Stop listening to redneck preachers.

He quoted directly from Enoch 1:9. And no, it wasn't edited to merely sound the same. The same document exists at Qumran, predating Jude by over a hundred years.

>>781189

Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” - Jude 1:14-15

This is clearly from the Book of Enoch. But of course, any form of evidence I give you won't be good enough for you because you're going to continue to move the goal post in order to satisfy your own position which is layered with logical fallacies.

>DA JOOS

Jesus was a Jew. St. Paul was a Jew. St. Peter was a Jew. All the apostles were Jews. Christianity was a Jewish sect for a brief amount of time. Please, stop being gay on purpose.

>>781181

Quoting a book isn't enough grounds to make it scripture, we don't know if Jude quoted the Enoch as we know it today, neither do we consider Scripture the Assumption of Moses.

>>781189

This is stupidity. The Essenes became Christians, and as Jews were even holier than the other two or three major sects. St. Jude quoted Enoch, and nothing heretical is in it. You clearly don't study the Scriptures.

>>781212

Scripture is just the canon which is just the words profitable to be read in the liturgy, many other things are inspired even if not read in the liturgy.

>>781240

>Scripture is just the canon which is just the words profitable to be read in the liturgy, many other things are inspired even if not read in the liturgy.

That's both silly and heretical, if you say there are other things that "inspired, but not known", you can pull anything out of your butt and proclaim it inspired. The way of frauds and wolves masquerading as sheep.

>>781160

The Orthodox called them Monophysite, the term Oriental Orthodox is revisionism.

>>781196

Ancient Jews=/=Modern Jews. Obviously there was a bit of overlap when Jesus appeared and a while after the Resurrection but it annoys me when people pretend that modern Jews have much in common with Biblical Jews. I'm not a "the holocaust didn't happen but it should have" guy but ignoring the fact that modern Jews are responsible for lits of problems in the world is to put blinders on.

>>781195

Absolutely right my man.

Just like the Hymn to Zeus poem St. Paul quoted is canon and inspired and redpilled.

Only heretics deny these truths.

>>781151

No

>>781251

The greatness of the misunderstandings and ignorance here is astounding.

>>781241

I never said inspired but not known, and it's not silly or heretical but the historical understanding when you read the Fathers. Take a look: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/

>>781524

Name some, many of the Fathers knew of the famous Christian works, but only a few (none?) would dare to claim what was or what was not scripture.

St. Augustine in particular spoke of the issue definitively, mentioning that both the Assumption of Moses and the Book of Enoch could not be Scripture, not only because the Church would not canonize it, but because the authenticity of such could not be verified or trusted.

Book of Enoch, the Shepard of Hermas, the gnostic pseudo-gospels, and the Assumption of Moses were outright rejected for good reason.

Judaizing heretics that ortholarps will admire because man look how trad and cool they are

>>781628

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/anger-management/art-20045434

>>781423

We don't call them that anymore. After theological dialogues between eastern and oriental Orthodox some 30-40 years ago we come to the conclussion that our Christology is practically the same. That's when they took the name oriental Orthodox, it was a step to restore communion. Unfortunatelly we left it to that until now.

>>781212

>Quoting a book isn't enough grounds to make it scripture

This. You might as well tell us that the Infancy Narrative Gospel of Thomas is Scripture because it's referenced in the story of the Finding of Jesus in the Temple. Just because a book is referenced in divinely-inspired Scripture doesn't make it divinely-inspired Scripture in and of itself. At best it means that you might be able to glean a few truths from it. But at the end of the day, if the Church didn't see fit to include it in the canon, that means that it has some serious problems.

>>781433

You know what he was saying.

Stop being pedantic.

>>785869

Are you going to strike out everything Solomon said too? There goes all the psalms.

>>785884

>implying Kings David and Solomon are devils and not God's anointed kings

What are you on about? The book of Enoch is not Holy in the slightest. The Essences that wrote it were literal heretics of their time. They rejected the 2nd Temple and are akin to Gnostics. No one should take them seriously. Least of all a Christian.

>>785869

You realize the book of Enoch isn't actually part of the Eastern Orthodox canon, right?

>>785855

The Oriental Orthodox absolutely are Monophysites and I've only heard a few people say that this isn't "polite".

The agreements in the 90s have no authority.

And 1 Enoch is condemned as heretical by several saints and if anything it is more proof that the Oriental Orthodox are not Christians.

My parish has several Eritreans but they are not permitted to take communion.

Book autism is how i know you're all protestants or at least ex-protestants

>>785929

I am aware, yes. My disgust stems from calling the Book of Enoch holy when it is not.

>>785869

What's "devilish" about it? Have you even read it? Seriously.

I don't say it's holy or canon though. Why is this is an either/or? You people are silly and too dramatic for your own good. Look at it as the mundane document it is.

It was written in post Exile Israel, where they became reacquainted with the belief systems of Mesopotamia. It's sort of a reimagining of Genesis 6, retold in the light of what they found out in Babylon. The last time Jews were in that land was Abraham, who cast off their false beliefs for the true God. Babylonians adopted much of Sumerian myths, and the Jews who encountered them realized where they came from, and their origins. Enoch was written in this light.

>>785855

Oriental “orthodox” are Monophysite heretics