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>>779362

No. You're conflating being reared Christian with being born again. Nobody is saved on account of his father's faith.

>>779364

>No. You're conflating being reared Christian with being born again.

are you catholic/orthodox?

>>779364

or are you from a denomination that has specific views on being born again e.g. that only does baptism at adulthood

>>779366

Yes I am a Baptist. That answer is the same one you would hear from Evangelical baby baptizers though, like presbyterian RC Sproul.

Is the Catholic answer different?

>>779368

i dont know, thats why i ask

>>779362

As long as they repent, they will be welcomed back.

>>779362

I assume you're referring to Heb 6:4-6

In which case Paul is referring to unrepentant apostates, not people who come back to the church.

>>779373

ohhh. thanks for the clarification.

>>779376

this from a website called newadvent.org

Perfidiæ is the complete and voluntary abandonment of the Christian religion, whether the apostate embraces another religion such as Paganism, Judaism, Mohammedanism, etc., or merely makes profession of Naturalism, Rationalism, etc. The heretic differs from the apostate in that he only denies one or more of the doctrines of revealed religion, whereas the apostate denies the religion itself, a sin which has always been looked upon as one of the most grievous. The "Shepherd" of Hermas, a work written in Rome in the middle of the second century, states positively that there is no forgiveness for those who have wilfully denied the Lord. [Similit. ix. 26, 5; Funk, Opera Patrum apostolicorum (Tübingen, 1887), I, 547]. Apostasy belonged, therefore, to the class of sins for which the Church imposed perpetual penance and excommunication without hope of pardon, leaving the forgiveness of the sin to God alone.

>>779379

… it continues:

After the Decian persecution (249, 250), however, the great numbers of Lapsi and Libellatici, and the claims of the Martyres or Confessores, who assumed the right of remitting the sin of apostasy by giving the Lapsi a letter of communion, led to a relaxation of the rigour of ecclesiastical discipline. St. Cyprian and the Council of the African Church which met at Carthage in 251 admitted the principle of the Church's right to remit the sin of apostasy, even before the hour of death. Pope Cornelius and the council which he held at Rome confirmed the decisions of the Synod of Carthage, and the discipline of forgiveness was gradually introduced into all the Churches.

>>779379

>>779387

So again, only unrepentant apostasy is classed as totally unforgivable.

God rejoices when the prodigal son comes back, obviously.

You will notice that in Hebrews 6:5 KJV that it says they "tasted" the good word of God. That doesn't imply acceptance, only of recognizing what it is. This isn't the same as gladly receiving it, which is what those in Acts 2:41 or those in Acts 16:34 did where he rejoiced believing in God with all his house.

But imagine how someone could be enlightened and understand what it is they had, could reject it. Hebrews 6:4-6 tells us it happens. Hard to believe how someone could do it, but we must accept and be real about the fact it's out there. Also, 2 Peter chapter 2 has something to say about them if you read there.

>>779412

This.

In the Gospels there are multiple parables about things like prodigal sons and shepherds who rejoice more about the one lost sheep they manage to get back.