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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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c95e42  No.727037

Hi, as someone who not really much of a believer I recently started reading The Bible and am almost half way through Exodus, and have been watching William Lane Craig videos for a while, in this video he says people who are wanting to find God read the New Testament, and I've also noticed a lot of Christians start off with the New Testament when they've started reading the Bible.

So I was wondering for someone who doesn't know yet, what should the Old Testament mean to a Christian, and what parts of it should Christians still follow.

And also, would it be better for me to skip to the New Testament and come back to the Old Testament when I finish?

0b749b  No.727042

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We read the Old Testament through the light of the New Testament. The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed. "the New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New"

Without the revelation of the New Testament though, the true meaning of the Old Testament remains hidden. So that's why it is generally better to start with the New Testament, the four Gospels especially and the Acts of the Apostles. Once you get to understand the story of the Gospel, then you can go back to the Old Testament. Many things in the Exodus story are actually related back to the New Testament, such as the Eucharist and the passover lamb, or going from Egypt (sin) to the Promised Land (sanctification) through the Red Sea (baptism) etc. There are loads of stuff like that which you can't really meditate on if you don't know the Gospel story. Once you know the story of the Gospel, then when you read something from the OT, you can think "What does this have to do with the Gospel?" - because literally everything in the Old Testament in someway does relate to Jesus and the Gospel.

Jesus is the Word of God and there has been only one word uttered by God, and all of scripture attests to Jesus.


db2d45  No.727049

The Old Testament is a historical record of God's interaction with his specific chosen people.

However, almost everything that happens in the OT symbolizes and foreshadows (in God's way, because he has the power to symbolize events by other events) something that has happened in the time of Christ.

For example, the Israelites are enslaved in Egypt; God delivers them from Pharaoh miraculously by the plagues and the crossing of the Red Sea; they are led through the desert, fed on miraculous bread from heaven, yet complain, and as a result have to wander through the desert for forty years before being allowed to reach the Promised Land.

The Christian understanding of these events is, and this is not controversial among any denominations as far as I know: the slavery in Egypt represents every human's pre-baptismal slavery to sin and Satan; crossing the Red Sea represents Baptism; the miraculous bread from heaven, the manna, is Jesus Christ (who said explicitly, I am the bread of life); the complaints are the complaints and rebellions of Christians; wandering through the desert is the spiritual life; the Promised Land is Heaven.

All sorts of things in the Old Testament represent New Testament realities. The Ark of the Covenant, which in the OT a man was struck dead for touching, carried the tablets of the Ten Commandments (the word of God on stone), the rod of Aaron (a dead tree limb brought back to flower), and an urn of the manna from the desert. The Blessed Virgin Mary, who was never "touched" by a man, carried within her own body Jesus Christ, who is the Word of God made flesh (as opposed to written on stone), who died (like the tree limb) but was raised from the dead, who is himself the bread of life. So the Ark of the Covenant pretty obviously symbolizes the Blessed Virgin Mary.

A lot of the more violent parts of the OT make less sense if you don't understand that, although they are historical, their main value of edification comes from application to the spiritual life. Israel is God's chosen people in the OT: in the NT, God's chosen people is the Church that Jesus Christ established. So Israel represents the Church, and Israel's enemies are the enemies of the Church. For example, that famous Psalm where the Psalmist ends with something ridiculously violent, I think it goes like "Blessed is the man who takes your little ones and dashes them against the stones." Clearly that sounds a little too angry for a Christian to adopt, until you realize that the main application of it is spiritual; the "little ones" are the tiny beginnings of temptations to sin, and the stones represent the cornerstone of the Church, who is Jesus.

This kind of "typological" reading of the Old Testament is not something modern Christians have just made up: it's actually taught in the New Testament itself. Because we believe that both the Old and New Testaments have God for their primary author, we read it as a sort of a long story, written by God, and played out over thousands of years of real history. Obviously, the story has a really good twist with the Incarnation, death, and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus. That's kind of the central plot point of the entire story. So it only makes sense, for those of us who know how the story plays out, to go back to the first half of the story and read it with the big plot twist in mind, seeing where the author snuck in clever parallels and foreshadowings of what was going to happen right under the noses of those who came before us but failed to guess what was going to happen.


5e6afd  No.727062

>>727042

The OT reveals human nature and why we need Christ. Starting with the NT is like starting with the climax. You're missing the importance of gospel when you skip the OT. At a minimum read the first 5 books before reading Matthew. Everything in the Bible relates to itself and you're right that you should focus on the metaphysical relationships between the two testaments. There's no "right or wrong" way to read it, but you may as well read it in the order it's presented which is a chronological history of the world, a start and end. I can't stress the importance of Genesis enough if you want someone to grasp Christian theology in full.


dc0617  No.727064

>>727037

The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed,

the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed

Paul also said in the NT that the history in the OT is shown for us as an example (1 Corinthians 10:11).

The OT holds a lot of symbolism to the NT like showing us the symbolic coming of Christ (the sacrificing of the Lamb, the law Abraham giving up Isaac believing that he will be resurrected, etc) and the end times (prophecies, the Ark of Noah and Enoch being raptured, etc) and God's promise of a Christian life right now (A land flowing with milk and honey, but there will still be wars and conflict, not just a feel-good life)

Furthermore, The OT also shows the struggle of the lives of God's followers and our lives (doubts, giving in to sin, etc) and the journey of Israel delivered of out bondage is the journey of our spirit delivered from the bondage of sin

also in the NT Paul said that all scripture is inspired by God (2 Timohty 3:16-17) and thus not obsolete

If you're just gonna read the NT alone without the OT you're at risk of becoming a feel-good Christian, without the ability to drive bad influences out of their lives and without the ability to fight back


63e19f  No.727071

>>727062

The 4 gospels are an icon of Christ. One should interpret the inspired scriptures through the 4 gospels to come to orthodox interpretation, which is why it's preferred to read the 4 gospels before anything else.

Also, human experience is sufficient to show human nature, so I'm not sure what you mean.


fb30e2  No.727084

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>>727049

>>727064

So what part of the OT happened and what parts are just a metaphor for the NT and didn't really happen or didn't happen as they say?

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63e19f  No.727088

>>727084

see

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db2d45  No.727090

>>727084

It all happened. The Bible is free from all error. The happenings themselves are the symbols/metaphors.


5e6afd  No.727094

>>727084

it all really happened unless stated otherwise


dc0617  No.727101

>>727084

They all happened. But the actions themselves are also symbolic. For example, in the old OT law whenever you sin, you have to offer a sacrifice of a lamb (unspotted and all that) to take place in it, which is symbolic of Jesus's death for our sins (the Lamb of God)


fb30e2  No.727109

>>727090

>>727094

>>727101

Really? Even Craig, Christianity's best argumentative defender says the beginning of Genesis wasn't to be taken literally


01be29  No.727112

On whether or not to take the Bible literally. . .

If it's written as history, take it as history. (i. e. the Gospels, most of the Pentateuch, Chronicles, Kings)

If it's written as poetry/metaphor, take it as poetry (i. e. the Creation story)


754047  No.727114

>>727101

>whenever you sin, you have to offer a sacrifice of a lamb

So before Jesus, whenever someone sinned, they had to kill a lamb? Probably means they were eating lamb every night.


f867d1  No.727118

According to Jesus Christ the Old Testament is "that which was spoken unto you by God", therefore to a Christian the Old Testament is nothing other than the very word of God, and the parts a Christian follows are only those which God spoke.


dc0617  No.727119

>>727114

>Probably means they were eating lamb every night.

Not really since it's the priests that get the leftovers. And no they there's also a lot of different offerings with different animals (fowls, rams, etc) but the symbolism is there. It's all in the book of Leviticus if you want to know more. And it's a shame to admit that I don't know very much in detail about it, but I do know that the sacrifices have a symbolic meaning (blood and the unblemish lamb and all that)

>>727109

Care to share the link or quote friend? Because in Genesis God says the evening and morning was the first day.

And then why would God put a metaphor for something that He did? Which discredit His actions and attribute it to something else (chance)?

If you don't take the creation literally, how could you take the flood, the giants, demons, and ultimately the revelations along with the miracles of God?


fb30e2  No.727122

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>>727119

It was in a debate with Christopher Hitchens, at 55:13 specifically


fb30e2  No.727454

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>>727062

>>727071

oh yeah, I'm onto Leviticus and most importantly I just want to learn about Christ so that he can come into my life

Though at the same time I want to learn the history of the world

I have ADD, and so the easiest way of me being able to achieve both from the Bible would help, but learning about Christ comes first for me though, if I have to put world history on the side until I finish reading about him so be it, though.

Just… I'm really confused, there's so many parts of the Bible that this is all overwhelming for me


67e112  No.727463

Believe in the one who died on the cross, for our sins.

The books are a guide,

Easy as that




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