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It's 1 Corinthians 7, sorry.

>>543454

Paul also said a bishop/elder should be the husband of one wife.

Peter was married.

Jesus said a man should leave his father and mother and become one flesh with his wife as was intended from the beginning (referring to Adam and Eve).

God saw that Adam was alone and said 'it is not good for man to be alone'

The psalms say any man who gas found a good wife has found treasure with the Lord.

God said to be fruitful and multiply and that hed multiply Abraham's seed more than the stars (hard to do if everyone becomes an anti-natalist neet).

It is best to remain unmarried and not lust. If you are going to lust it is better to fight lust with marriage than it is to remain single and dwell in lust. Fighting death was the reason for the creation of marriage, and now that death has been trampled down by death the reason for marriage to continue is to fight off lust. Fighting off lust being the primary reason to get married does not undo the necessity of reproduction that was the original reason for marriage's creation though, so if you do choose to get married than you cannot also choose to not reproduce. You don't need to seek out reproduction, you just can't fight it with sterilization and contraception, which makes us value larger families as most families have so few children because they rely on these things.

>>543466

Sympathize sure, but they need to obey the rule of God. Asexual is meaningless to this discussion. Gays should remain celibate if they have more control and marry women if they have less

>>543471

If you tell fags not to stop lusting while you advocate for lust, you're one hypocritical cookie cutter.

>>543474

I'm saying that christians should promote celibacy as the ideal way of life for anyone, homo or nohomo, to make homos not feel bad at being celibate.

>>543477

We should promote celibacy to those who are capable because the Paul wrote of the superiority of celibacy as he was lead by the Holy Spirit, we shouldn't alter anything in our faith because of the feelings of homosexuals or anyone else

>>543479

I think we're all capable of celibacy with enough faith. Alter what? There's nothing to alter here, just a different approach.

>>543482

>I think we're all capable of celibacy with enough faith

Key word here should be

>I think

>>543477

I don't advocate any lust. I advocate marriage which is pure , a sacrament, and a treasure from God. Faggotry is an abomination and mental disorder.

>>543483

Anti-natalists are not simply celibate but they disdain marriage/procreation and tell others to avoid procreation, they view it as immoral. Total retards.

>>543454

And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein. Gen 9:7

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Gen 2:24

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Matt 19:4-6

God has commanded concerning marriage, that it is a good thing, a holy thing, and that we are to go forth and multiply (have kids). Would you put your fee-fees above God?

>>543587

Did I just not tell you that you should wait until your opponent confirms what he is, instead of going off some ad hominem so you can get him to shut up? If you don't actually want to participate in a random internet conversation, it won't affect you.

Just leave.

>>543600

see

>>543483

Did Adam and Eve not breed after they had eaten the fruit of knowledge?

>>543587

>immoral

Literally nobody here said that procreation is immoral. But to live for God is of course holier than marriage.

>>543454

OP wouldn't happen to be a Muslim, now would he?

>>543454

>it's good for a man to be alone

WRONG

And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. Gen 2:18

It's the very first thing God said was NOT good.

>>551071

Two things must be considered:

I don't know if in that text God is talking about the individual man or for all men, or for adam alone.

Second, that was before the fall.

>>551074

>I don't know if in that text God is talking about the individual man or for all men, or for adam alone.

Being that God elaborates on this, and explains that He is making "a helpmate" for him, and the fact that there would have been no human reproduction with just Adam alone, I think it's obvious that God meant for Adam, specifically, and by extension all humanity thereafter

>>551092

What??

I don't think we are understanding each other. Are you suggesting that I am saying something… bestiality-related??

can lust be non sexual? bc if it is im fucked i think

>>551089

Eve was intended to be a companion for Adam, not a sex mate.

As stated in >>551092

Adam couldn't find anyone he could truly interact and grow together with. Nothing and nobody had sex or needed to reproduce in the Eden, but a human would still need a companion they could share their love and thoughts with.

>>543460

>Peter was married.

According to 1 Corinthians 9:5 all of the Apostles were married.

>"Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the Apostles and the brothers of the Lord(James and Jude) and Cephas(Peter)?"

And here's a quote from Clement of Alexandria's Stromata:

>"Or will they reject even the apostles? For Peter and Philip begat children; and Philip also gave his daughters in marriage. And Paul does not hesitate, in one of his epistles, to greet his wife, whom he did not take about with him, that he might not be inconvenienced in his ministry."

And another:

>"They say, accordingly, that when the blessed Peter saw his own wife led out to die, he rejoiced because of her summons and her return home, and called to her very encouragingly and comfortingly, addressing her by name, and saying, 'Oh thou, remember the Lord.' Such was the marriage of the blessed, and their perfect disposition toward those dearest to them."

I think Paul's statements about celibacy were in chapter 7 were more about practicality than anything else. It was easier, especially in the 1st century when everyone and the brother was persecuting Christians, to go around preaching the Gospel all over world if you didn't have a wife and family to look after.