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>>542578

We have a thread for questions >>491187

Cut down on your drinking. Stop for a week before drinking again. But, if you suspect yourself an alcoholic, check with your doctor :^)

Also, people drank a lot because good, clean water was not all that plentiful. It was probably mild alcohol.

>>542578

>Brothers – what are your personal rules for deciding how much to drink? Sometimes I like to enjoy a couple beers or a glass of wine with my wife, never more than twice a week.

exactly this. two beers twice a week. 95% of the time I drink by myself while doing yard work or reading

>>542578

Do you drink until you cuss at your wife or hit your friends or covet things that do not belong to you? If yes then that is the line. The reason why alcohol/drugs are such a nasty thing is that it lowers your barriers towards sinning.

>>542578

If it becomes something you find yourself not being able to go without, then it's time to stop. If you're having consistent problems controlling your drinking without your wife around, then it's time to stop. If your drinking is becoming detrimental to your health, then it's time to stop.

Generally speaking though, I'd say it's best to stop around the time you start to feel the buzz coming on, or very shortly after. Continuing from there is gluttonous, and it clouds your self-control from further sin.

>>542978

>>542982

This

At what point is one drunk?

When he feels a little different?

When he starts to relax and loosen up?

When his thoughts become cloudy?

>>542992

The legal limit is a good guideline. Also nominalism isn't good for the Christian soul so watch yourself closely with posts like that buddy.

I never drink and don't plan on ever starting.

Yesterday I drank a 473ml can of about 4% beer. Started to feel a bit dizzy. I don't drink very often so my tolerance is very low despite being 210 pounds. The buzz went away after 10 minutes though.

>>543017

>210 pounds

height?

>>543019

6'5"

>>543022

You're a big guy

Stop falling for the drinking in moderation meme. Every single alcoholic drink is bad.

>>542996

How is that nominalistic?

>>543087

>Jesus sinned

Go away.

>>543111

Did I say it was a sin? It's bad for your health.

>>543112

If wine was bad for your health, it wouldn't be part of the most holy sacrament. Goober.

>>543114

Sacrament > health. In this case, it's completely justified. But when it comes to casual drinking, no. Not even an ounce of alcohol, laddie.

>>543116

> For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and you say: He hath a devil. The Son of man is come eating and drinking: and you say: Behold a man that is a glutton and a drinker of wine, a friend of publicans and sinners. (Luke 7:33-34)

>Christian board

>Thread about drinking

>Catholics respond

>no one mentions Chesterton

smh.

This is this the definitive rule for drinking among Chrstians:

Drink because you are happy, but never because you are miserable. Never drink when you are wretched without it, or you will be like the grey-faced gin-drinker in the slum; but drink when you would be happy without it, and you will be like the laughing peasant of Italy. Never drink because you need it, for this is rational drinking, and the way to death and hell. But drink because you do not need it, for this is irrational drinking, and the ancient health of the world.

Also:

Tobit 4:15

Do to no one what you yourself dislike. Do not drink wine till you become drunk, nor let drunkenness accompany you on your way.

Luke 21:34

Beware that your hearts do not become drowsy from carousing and drunkenness and the anxieties of daily life, and that day catch you by surprise.

Romans 13:13

Let us conduct ourselves properly as in the day, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in promiscuity and licentiousness, not in rivalry and jealousy.

1 Peter 4:3

For the time that has passed is sufficient for doing what the Gentiles like to do: living in debauchery, evil desires, drunkenness, orgies, carousing, and wanton idolatry.

Sirach 31:28

Joy of heart, good cheer and merriment are wine drunk freely at the proper time.

Sirach 31:29

Headache, bitterness and disgrace is wine drunk amid anger and strife.

Habakkuk 2:15

Woe to you who give your neighbors a flood of your wrath to drink, and make them drunk, till their nakedness is seen!

1 Corinthians 5:11

But I now write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, if he is immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a drunkard, or a robber, not even to eat with such a person.

1 Corinthians 6:10

. . . nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:18

And do not get drunk on wine, in which lies debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit.

Also:

CCC 2290: The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own and others' safety on the road, at sea, or in the air.

Just stop when you feel yourself getting a little dizzy. I think drunkenness becomes sinful when it is preventing your rationality and motor functions from working as they naturally should.

>>543087

>Every single alcoholic drink is bad.

Nonsense. What was Jesus' first miracle?

Hint: it happened at a wedding in Cana

>>543152

In that case, it would seem I could drink a lot more than I initially thought. I don't drink when I "need" it persay, and I have taken periodic fasts for a week or more.

Even in the earlier instance I mentioned, where I felt I sinned, I drank around 4 beers with friends, I staggered just a little and maybe was too lose-lipped, so I thought it was a mortal sin. I sobered up quickly when I got home though.

Chesterton's rule seems wise, but one can "drink for joy" quite a lot, quite often, even without becoming dependent on alcohol. Is that ok? His rule seems to say "hard and fast rules about drinking are rational drinking, and lead to sinful behavior and warped views of alcohol."

Still somewhat perplexed.

>>543167

Also, I wished the Catechism was more clear here. I can drink 6+ beers plus without harming someone with tongue or body, but isn't that still intemperate?

>>543168

Depends on your tolerance levels.