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d31685 No.540499

What are the differences between baptist and catholic?

5106dc No.540504

File: 1b75257413489b2⋯.png (275.39 KB, 400x763, 400:763, 5842DAE2-4411-42B9-A5B4-A0….png)

We have the better memes


93b91b No.540554

File: 8f3684bd8668c05⋯.jpg (303.84 KB, 800x1210, 80:121, IMG_2068.JPG)

>Baptist: the only way to gain true doctrine is The Bible. Hebrew Old Testament, Greek New Testament. That adds up to 66 books of The Bible.

>Catholic: the only true doctrine is the doctrine taught by the magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church. The doctrine is contained in the apostolic fathers, the church fathers, and the Latin Bible which has 73 books

>Baptist: no human being can be perfect or without sin. As such, any reliance on your own works or on human action to get to Heaven is futile at best, self-worship at worst. You can only go to Heaven if you trust in Jesus to get you to Heaven. If you trust in Christ alone, you go to Heaven as soon as you die. If not, you go to Hell as soon as you die.

>Catholic: faith is necessary, but not sufficient, at getting you to Heaven. You must also observe the sacraments throughout your life. If you die in a state of mortal sin, you go to Hell. If not, you go to purgatory, where your sins and imperfections are burned away and you are allowed to enter Heaven

>Baptist: God is the only hearer of prayers. If you pray to anyone who isn't God, it's idolatry and demonic.

>Catholic: God is the only person you can worship, but not all prayer is worship. Praying to saints, angels, or the Virgin Mary is just like asking a friend or relative to pray for you

>Baptist: baptism is a public declaration of faith. As such, it should only be done to someone who has decided to trust in Jesus for their salvation, seven years old is about the youngest, though it does depend on the person

>Catholic: baptism is necessary for salvation and it washes away your sins. It should be done as soon as possible, even to little newborn babies

>Baptist: Christ only came once, and will come again at his second coming. The bread and wine of the Lord's Supper is a symbol, a picture of his body and blood and a shared communion between our church

>Catholic: "this is my body" is to be taken literally. Through the process of transsubstanciation, this bread is truly the body of Jesus, and this wine is truly his blood

>Baptist: church hierarchy is local. While church groups like the Southern Baptist Convention form for certain, specific purposes, churches are in general to be independent and autonomous

>Catholic: the church hierarchy is large and overarching, from deacon to priest to bishop to archbishop to the one leader of the Catholic Church, who is the pope

Those are the basics. Also, we do have better memes


7c8258 No.540555

Prots are just catholics lite

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c7c512 No.540563

>>540499

Funding


674548 No.540585

>>540554

Oh boy.

>Catholic: the only true doctrine is the doctrine taught by the magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church. The doctrine is contained in the apostolic fathers, the church fathers, and the Latin Bible which has 73 books

The only true dogma is the dogma revealed by God. This revelation finds its fullness in Christ. God reveals to us this revelation by God-breathed written Tradition (aka Scripture, 73 books used and written by apostles), God-breathed oral Tradition (aka teachings of apostles and Christ passed oraly) explained and guarded by God-breathed magistral (teaching) authority of God-breathed Church.

>Catholic: faith is necessary, but not sufficient, at getting you to Heaven. You must also observe the sacraments throughout your life. If you die in a state of mortal sin, you go to Hell. If not, you go to purgatory, where your sins and imperfections are burned away and you are allowed to enter Heaven

>Catholic: faith is necessary, but not sufficient, at getting you to Heaven. You must also observe the sacraments throughout your life. If you die in a state of mortal sin, you go to Hell. If not, you go to purgatory, where your sins and imperfections are burned away and you are allowed to enter Heaven

One can enter Heaven by Grace only . No other way is possible, in any given case. God gave us means to allow us to recive his grace. Grace make us spirtually alive, for we are born in sate of orginal sin (lack of Grace). This makeing us alive, just, a totally new creture ontoligically ("what we really are") is called justification. Instrumental cause of it (and there are more greater causes) is the sacrament of baptism, which is the sacrament of faith, without which (faith) no man was ever justified. We must live by this living faith working through charity. Without faith and without charity we cannot live be grace. If we lost grace, God gave us another instrument of his grace, another sacrament called Reconcliation.

And there is of course Eucharist, very Body and Blood (and Soul and Divinity) of Christ, called Eucharist, that is the consummation of the spiritual life, and the end of all the sacraments and is neccesarry for salvation as Christ said in John 6, but not in the same sense as Baptism (and Reconciliation).

It's also noted that desire of taking sacrament is equal to takeing it and that though God bound his Grace to Sacraments he is in no way bound by Sacraments.

If you die in state of Grace, when you were justificated you go to Heaven. When you die in state of Grace when you were not full justificated you go to Heaven, but first you need to be justificated fully for nothing unclean shall enter Heaven. This finall justification, or cleansing is called Purgatory.


674548 No.540586

File: f7d0a0f682341d7⋯.png (798.27 KB, 1366x1496, 683:748, baptiststmindset.png)

>Catholic: God is the only person you can worship, but not all prayer is worship. Praying to saints, angels, or the Virgin Mary is just like asking a friend or relative to pray for you

God is the only person you can worship, but not all prayer is worship for prayer is literally just asking or better yet, begging. someone. Praying to saints, angels, or the Virgin Mary just like David and Job prayed to angels is just like asking a friend or relative to pray for you for they are united with God by grace and by Holy Spirit, which is soul of Body that is Church, can hear prayers of said Body.

>Catholic: baptism is necessary for salvation and it washes away your sins. It should be done as soon as possible, even to little newborn babies

Wow, you actually got it right. But to add to that, there is baptism by water (normal one), baptism of desire (aka wishing to have baptism but being unable to got one because of death) and baptism of blood (aka martyrdom)

>Catholic: "this is my body" is to be taken literally. Through the process of transubstantiation, this bread is truly the body of Jesus, and this wine is truly his blood

Wow this one too. But to give argument to Baptism counterargument:

Christ came once and will come only one another time. There will not be some rapture apart form Day of Warth when all will be Judged.

Eucharist is re-presentation of one Sacrafice of Christ, which he countully presents to his Father in heaven as our High Priest, and because of that is called Sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross, because it is its memorial and because it applies its fruit:

[Christ], our Lord and God, was once and for all to offer himself to God the Father by his death on the altar of the cross, to accomplish there an everlasting redemption. But because his priesthood was not to end with his death, at the Last Supper "on the night when he was betrayed," [he wanted] to leave to his beloved spouse the Church a visible sacrifice (as the nature of man demands) by which the bloody sacrifice which he was to accomplish once for all on the cross would be re-presented, its memory perpetuated until the end of the world, and its salutary power be applied to the forgiveness of the sins we daily commit.

>Catholic: the church hierarchy is large and overarching, from deacon to priest to bishop to archbishop to the one leader of the Catholic Church, who is the pope

There is one Church, so there is one hierarchy. For there is Christ who is the Head of his mystical body, who is our High Priest (archiereus) who called his apostels to sit over New Israe; in chairs of authority. Those apstoles, were ministers of Him to minster (hierourgeó) Church. They created Overseares, Bishops to thier succesors. And they created Elders, Presbyters to perform this ministry on local level in unity with bishop. And they created Deacons, Levites of New Israel, to serve but be not priest.

Now, just as in Kingdom of Old, which is icon of Eternal Kingdom, when King is away he appointed prime minister, or vicar, to menage things till he comes back. First of those vicars was Peter, chief of apostels. And he (with Paul) apointed Linus, and he appointed Anacletus, and he appointed Clement, and he appointed Evaristus, and so on and so on. Sure, matter of appointing was changed but the same office, same keys, is held. This office, after Issiah (22) we came to call Pope, which means Father.

Also, Pope is not head of the Church. Only head of Church is Christ. Pope act in person of Christ the Head for he is his vicar but he is not the head which is Christ. But this office of vicarate can be said t be "visible head" for it makes "the head" visible to us (for ou nature demnds visible signs). The Church represents the Mystical Body whose head is Christ and in which there is one Lord, one Faith, and one Baptism (Eph 4:5); therefore this one visible Body on earth has one head, Christ (who is the invisible head) and His vicar, St. Peter and his successors (the visible head). This is not two heads (like a "monster") but one.

Those are Catholic basics (and by basic I mean what is basic to my Baptist friend)

Also:

>Using any part of Jack "Good Goy" Chick in meme

>calling it better in any way

lel


142556 No.540602

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>>540586

>I only care about getting myself saved, doing God's word is just filler

You've tipped your hand.


d31685 No.540615

>>540554

yeah that makes sense thanks man


674548 No.540616

File: 244d16c1088d557⋯.jpg (137.22 KB, 1545x536, 1545:536, Zobory.jpg)

>>540602

The point of meme is "what is necessary for salvation". If you consider "doing God's word" a necessity then lo and behold, you are practically catholic with our understanding of Faith and Works


d31685 No.540618

>>540616

What is this picture of?


674548 No.540622

>>540618

I believe that it's Anderson's congregation but I am not sure. Either way, awful place.


142556 No.540625

File: d39f234856fb5a3⋯.png (512.26 KB, 720x421, 720:421, a3a0ad6c5.PNG)

>>540616

>The point of meme is "what is necessary for salvation".

I see that. What about after you are saved? After it's a done deal. What about doing the will of God after that?Just because I'm not doing it to get saved, doesn't mean I don't want to. I want God's name to be lifted up. I want him to return with his kingdom. I know what I pledged myself for and it's beyond having one soul saved. That wasn't the entire point of this.


d31685 No.540626

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>>540622

boy thats depressing


142556 No.540627

>>540625

Also I'm terrible at getting repeating digits.


674548 No.540637

>>540625

Being saved is greatest possible thing that human can achieve. Nothing will glorify God more. Then why do it? Is it necessary?

Of course, you can just stop beliving once saved always saved bullshit and start to read Bible that speaks of past, present and futue salvation but that's beside point

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8b58ea No.540717

>>540504

Big self own here, nicely done fellas


dc4710 No.540773

>>540499

Catholic:

>Founded by Jesus Christ

>One true Church

>Has approval of the Church fathers

>Wrote the the New Testament and compiled the Biblical canon

>Continues the true gospel for 2,000 years

>Universal

Baptist:

>17th century sect

>Started by English separatist, John Smyth, in Holland

>Contradicts much of apostolic Christianity even on the fundamentals like the Eucharist and baptism

>Preaches false gospel

>Like other Protestants, removed several books from the Old Testament

>Heretical

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e14ce1 No.540777

Little "b" baptist and little "c" catholic? Nothing, all true Christians are baptist (partake in baptism) and catholic (universally Christian).

Big "B" Baptist and big "C" Catholic? Oh boy….


e14ce1 No.540779

File: 622373330b4be72⋯.jpg (5.78 KB, 198x254, 99:127, check these predestined di….jpg)

>>540777

Wew, those holy trips.


142556 No.540810

File: 85d8ff3bf870bbe⋯.jpg (92.42 KB, 628x908, 157:227, 8f00db13f.jpg)

File: ee349046b4ed06a⋯.jpg (52.96 KB, 620x387, 620:387, codex antarcticanus.jpg)

>>540717

>self own

>Implying internet memes don't lead to

We must go deeper.


eb2b21 No.540818

>>540773

>Founded by Jesus Christ

Ha no

>One true Church

one yes, true no

>Has approval of the Church fathers

Literally means nothing

>Wrote the the New Testament and compiled the Biblical canon

>wrote

HAHAHAHAHhahHjHhahahaha

You didn't write anything

>Continues the true gospel for 2,000 years

>true

>Universal

yes but that's not good


eb2b21 No.540821

File: 7b2eb8b8a31bb41⋯.jpeg (203.85 KB, 800x790, 80:79, 221EBB0A-D88D-4CDB-AF13-A….jpeg)

>>540554

>2. be willing to turn from sin

NO That's works

Jonah 3:10

And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.


eb2b21 No.540823

>>540586

Yeah if you follow all the commandments you git to heaven but following all the commandments is impossible.

Let's look at what Jesus Christ said

John 3

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


eb2b21 No.540824

>>540637

Because you want to helo others and you're still rewarded for works


142556 No.540827

File: 0b2100de17f4c3b⋯.png (246.34 KB, 500x348, 125:87, cb4159e9a.png)

>>540823

John 3:36 is John the Baptist talking.

Roman Catholic intruder detected.


eb2b21 No.540829

>>540827

Yeah I know but it was a really good verse so i included it


eb2b21 No.540830

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

c4b3a4 No.540862

>>540499

One is part of Christ's original church, although in schism, while the other is an apostate full of deception, lacking nearly all spiritual teachings and practices while focusing on apologetics and justifying itself and its new doctrines.

We have to call baptists christian on this board though. Lord have mercy.


8620db No.540867

>>540862

>One is part of Christ's original church, although in schism, while the other is an apostate full of deception, lacking nearly all spiritual teachings and practices while focusing on apologetics and justifying itself and its new doctrines.

This. Baptists are still part of the Christ's Church, they just tend toward schism.


de926f No.540869

>>540554

> the only true doctrine is the doctrine taught by the magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church

The Magisterium is one of the three pillars of the faith: the Bible and the Sedimentum Fidei (deposit of faith, the example left by the Apostles and the early Church) are as important as the Church founded by Our Lord.

As for the memes, they are not necessary for salvation, unlike faith and good works.


8620db No.540871

>>540869

>As for the memes, they are not necessary for salvation

heresy tbh


de926f No.540874

>>540871

I wonder what the technical definition of such heresy would be.


2f6495 No.540881

File: a360342c0b8a250⋯.jpg (88.16 KB, 610x685, 122:137, bapsvscats.jpg)

>>540554

Why are you guys so mad? Aren't you guys saved?


a81682 No.540956

>>540862

>part of Christ's original church

>in schism

Huh? By being in schism, that literally means they are not part of Christ's original church, as they separated from it.


903ff4 No.541059

File: 4e4b8a4f4130002⋯.jpg (79.32 KB, 687x770, 687:770, IMG_2141.JPG)

>>540881

>posts objective, unbiased explanation of what the two sects teach, without insulting anyone or arguing for either side

>"lol why are you so mad?"


d68b06 No.541060

>>540823

>Yeah if you follow all the commandments you git to heaven but following all the commandments is impossible.

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zachary, of the course of Abia; and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name Elizabeth.

6 And they were both just before God, walking in all the commandments and justifications of the Lord without blame.

>>540824

Reward for works implying punishment for them if they are sins.

>>541059

>objective

>unbiased


903ff4 No.541074

>>541060

Yeah, it doesn't judge or attack Catholic doctrines, it merely states them in an objective unbiased manner


d68b06 No.541084

>>541074

But you state them wrong, misrepresenting our beliefs. For example, you said that doctrine is contained in apostolic fathers which is equally wrong to say that baptist doctrine is contained in Anderson homilies. Or that Pope is one leader of Church.


eb2b21 No.541104

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>>540862

>this is what orthodox actually believe


eb2b21 No.541107

>>541060

Maybe for the OT. Read Romans 3 again


d68b06 No.541155

>>541107

It's from NT. Just like teaching of Jesus "observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world."

But if you insist on Romans 3 then let be it.

You probably means this one famous verse: There is not any man just.

And we say: Yes, the is no one just, by virtue either of the law of nature, or of the law of Moses; but only by faith and grace.

To say more, the apostle here adduces a series of passages from the ancient Scripture, to convince both Jews and Gentiles, that not one amongst them was just, nor had any title to glory, on account of his good works. Not that a just man could not be found under the old law, or even before the law; an infinite number of passages of Scripture will shew the contrary: but he must be understood as speaking of man left to himself, as a son of Adam, conceived in sin, and brought forth a child of wrath.

These crimes, enumerated by the apostle, are not mentioned as if found in each individual, but some of this black catalogue of crimes were found in one man; some in another; yet so that all had become infected with sin and iniquity, all had deserted the path of virtue. There was none just, none found, who feared or sought after God.

But by God, by his Grace, all things all possible, even making us just not only by imputation but by elevation of nature and supernatural virtue. For we were scarlet like blood and we are whiter than snow. And we see it here, for Paul did not wrote those words first, but took them from Psalms. And the same psalms proclaimed that "For the Lord is in the just generation" and "For thou wilt bless the just. O Lord" and "The just, they shall give glory to thy name: and the upright shall dwell with thy countenance" and " Thy justice to them that are right in heart."


eb2b21 No.541174

>>541155

Well have you ever lied? Because if you have you broke a command ment and going to hell.


8620db No.541193

>>541060

>5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zachary, of the course of Abia; and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name Elizabeth.

>6 And they were both just before God, walking in all the commandments and justifications of the Lord without blame.

umm, no sweetie, let me remind you what you actually believe about the position you're advocating

<CANON I.-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.

<CANON II.-If any one saith, that the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, is given only for this, that man may be able more easily to live justly, and to merit eternal life, as if, by free will without grace, he were able to do both, though hardly indeed and with difficulty; let him be anathema.


d68b06 No.541240

>>541174

I've done worse things my friend. But Church was Christ said to his priests "Whoever sins you forgive, they are forgiven" and he gave for us ministry of reconciliation. And all are amzed that God gave such power to men.

And if you do not intend to take it seriously and only state stale memes, then remind yourself, that if you were ever proud and you are reprobate :^)

>>541193

But I said (or rather quoted Luke), that man may be justified before God by the grace of God through Jesus Christ by works (as James and Paul teach) and that the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, is given for this, that man may be able to live justly, and to merit eternal life, as for by free will without grace, he is aboslutly not able to do both.

Do you even read what I posted here? Do you even read anything in this session of Council of Trent? Or are you just profess yourself to be wise and make yourself a fool?


d68b06 No.541243

>>541240

>But Church was Christ said to his priests

*But Church was made by Christ and Christ said to his priests

Mea culpa, it's late here.




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