/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

https://www.youtube.com/user/WretchedNetwork

Has some nice videos i've sometimes watched.

https://www.youtube.com/user/AominOrg

Then there's also James White and AO ministries, a reformed baptist one. Lots of apologetics, why x is x instead of y and some no nonsense biblical teaching as well.

>>529378

Your standard theologians

https://www.youtube.com/user/Acts17Apologetics/videos

https://www.youtube.com/user/AominOrg/videos

https://www.youtube.com/user/GoreBruce/videos

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrI5U0R293u9uveijefKyAA/videos

Comedy

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLutheranSatire/videos

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb9NIDFFW4KOqc6hGBnFBhg/videos

The explanations behind biblical ideas/books

https://www.youtube.com/user/jointhebibleproject/videos

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL97D4FC19559B634B

>>529385

>James White

Disgusting fatalist ministries by Hyperdoge

. Cicero writes: . . . but <in order to make this clear> Chrysippus returns to his cylinder and cone, which cannot start moving without being pushed. However, when this has happened, he believes that from then on the cylinder rolls and the cone spins by their own nature. (Fat. 42.3) Thus, he says, just as the person who shoved the cylinder gave it the beginning of its motion, but did not give it its roll-ability, so likewise, an impression, when encountered, will imprint and so to speak stamp its form on the mind, but assent <to it> will be in our power; and, just as was said in the case of the cylinder, being pushed from outside, for the rest it will move by its own power and nature.61 (Fat. 43.1) Gellius' presentation is very similar to Cicero's: He <i.e. Chrysippus> then uses an illustration of this point which is quite suitable and witty. He says: just as if you throw a cylindrical stone on an inclining and sloping ground, you have been for it the cause and beginning of its tumbling down, but soon it rolls downwards, not because you still make it to, but since such is the shape it has, and the roll-ability of its form; so, too, the order and reason and necessity of fate prompts the kinds and beginnings of causation themselves, but the impulses of our decisions and thoughts (deliberations?) and our actions themselves are directed by each person's own volition and by the dispositions of our minds.62 (NA 7.2.11)

These are ancient James White

Friggin fatalist

>>529389

Polycarp 17:1

But the jealous and envious Evil One, the adversary of the family of the righteous, having seen the greatness of his martyrdom and his blameless life from the beginning, and how he was crowned with the crown of immortality and had won a reward which none could gainsay, managed that not even his poor body should be taken away by us, although many desired to do this and to touch his holy flesh.

Polycarp 17:2

So he put forward Nicetes, the father of Herod and brother of Alce, to plead with the magistrate not to give up his body, 'lest,' so it was said, 'they should abandon the crucified one and begin to worship this man'–this being done at the instigation and urgent entreaty of the Jews, who also watched when we were about to take it from the fire, not knowing that it will be impossible for us either to forsake at any time the Christ who suffered for the salvation of the whole world of those that are saved–suffered though faultless for sinners–nor to worship any other.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/martyrdompolycarp-lightfoot.html

Let see James White explain this

That disgusting fatalist blasphemer

>>529405

Why don't you just ask him personally?

https://twitter.com/DrOakley1689

>>529406

Ask him about all the time he contradicts the early church fathers

>>529409

>Aren't aware that he has a separate early church fathers sermons than aomin

>Ask him a question about certain times that doesn't exist

how redundant.

>>529404

>>529405

So predestination is fatalism? How hopelessly triggered can you get? Not like I don't understand, considering how in John 6 the apostles call it hard to accept..

>>529417

He misrepresents all of them and misrepresents sources, like JND Kelly who makes clear that the Fathers relied on Tradition.

>>529420

Calvinist predestination is. Get over it Fatalist Hyperdoge

>>529417

Free will doesnt exist to James White

He is just a fatalist that says God makes women get raped

Like how Hyperdoge get depression

>>529434

Can I keep having you make examples of your christian behavior for OP's sakes? Perhaps he'll have a thought or two considering Matthew 5, Colossians 4 and 1 Peter 3 and how this reflects on them.

>>529436

God causes that according to you so it is meaningless anyways

>>529438

Why would it be meaningless if God caused it? If God caused it for His glory, would it still be meaningless? I do disagree with you, because I don't know to which degree God intervenes in mundane matters

>>529440

vid

>>529443

It is only meaningful to the deity who is moving you, as a spoilt child playing with his dolls. There is no meaning for the doll who at best have pseudo-agency.

Which is why James White and all Calvinists are just a bunch of Stoics as the Stoics too believe all is Fated and Fated by God

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>>529409

Yeah, go ahead.

>>529500

But first. Are you a girl?

>>529378

>"Oh jolly gee willickers, a thread I'd like to read"

>One on-topic post total

>>529389

Did you recommend common filth? Are you Jewish?

>>529561

Common Filth is one of the best Christian channels. Fuck off.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3x3gDTqUYy_bFZWS-U_mZQ

Sensus Fidelium is good.

>>529586

> whines about white people

Triggered much, race idolater?

>>529385

Nothing good can come about watching Todd Friel. Nothing. He's your typical legalistic pharisee, only with the most annoying voice ever. Or, should I say "THE most annooooying voice EVER!"

>>529586

fuck Trump and fuck white people

>>529609

Racism has no place in the Church.

>>529590

How is he worshipping his race? Him pointing out that Common Filth usually talks about whites disparagingly is hardly equivalent to him worshipping the white race.

Here you go! All freshly plucked from my RSS reader.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYQbbbKA9vYnXnJJLzN1s_w

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheBechtloff

https://www.youtube.com/user/Aurini

>>529586

>>529579

CF is not the best Christian channel out there but the best one on the ongoing degeneracy out there. If you want a better source, >>>/cow/ is right over there. I also say that he only bitches about white people, because he wants them to be better onahole collecting NEETs who fap to dragon porn. He also won't minister inside your twitter funposting group. You would gain more if you quote the gospels in spurdo speak.

>>529609

>>529590

>>>/out/

>>529595

>He's your typical legalistic pharisee,

How come? It's not as if he seems to be saying that you must do works of your own to be saved instead of resting in Christs finished one (which he does seem to say)

>Or, should I say "THE most annooooying voice EVER!"

lol'd

It does make it a bit silly at times, it seems i'm quite fine with it though.

>>529378

sanderson1611 is essential

>>529712

This. I don't like when he berates Orthodoxy, but his sermons are so good and he is so on point that I can overlook his polemics against Orthodoxy.

>>529722

Want an inconsistency? Ask him to tell us how human beings are morally responsible despite having no ability to turn to God and have a deity who also with no foreseen merit, predestines to Damnation.

The only logical explanation here is that God does indeed make all events happen with human agency being responsible solely for being the instrument God intended and made to cause something like someone converting or someone reprobating.

>>529721

>taking reprobate theology seriously

haha

>>529889

Nobody but the Stoics and Essenes believe in hard predestinarianism. And simply saying Paul said it is not an objection against what I raised. That is akin to me saying Mr X also said Y which doesnt have any bearing on the truth value of Y.

Plus, many Pauline Commentaries even by Craig A Evans (Baptist) denies your view and these are commentaries by theologians and Biblical scholars. Plus Paul was raised a Pharisee which does believe in the ultimate reponsibility of the individual and not all events are predestined. This would had been part of Paul's thinking, not the fatalism you presented

Trey Smith is doing a "God in a nutshell" project:

https://www.youtube.com/user/treysmithnutshell/videos

>>529911

>And simply saying Paul said it is not an objection against what I raised. That is akin to me saying Mr X also said Y which doesnt have any bearing on the truth value of Y.

So you're just hellbent on ignoring Paul whenever he speaks of God's will instead of yours, then. There is no inconsistency because God is supreme and sovereign, not men. Like it or not, we are His creatures, not the other way around.

It seems as if you don't understand that it is mankind who rebels and assures their own destruction where they also do not wish to even seek God romans 3, while it is God's freedom to either intervene or not.

>>529835

>Ask him to tell us how human beings are morally responsible despite having no ability to turn to God and have a deity who also with no foreseen merit, predestines to Damnation.

>Plus, many Pauline Commentaries even by Craig A Evans (Baptist) denies your view and these are commentaries by theologians and Biblical scholars. Plus Paul was raised a Pharisee which does believe in the ultimate reponsibility of the individual and not all events are predestined. This would had been part of Paul's thinking, not the fatalism you presented

Of course the individual is ultimately responsible. Did you think I thought God is responsible for us having sinned?

>not all events are predestined

Yet Paul writes the exact opposite in Ephesians 1:11, along with other writers like Isaiah and Daniel.(that all things are intervened in for God's purpose) You would be able to accept this if you saw predestination for what it is, instead of trying to force a fatalist strawman in its place.

>>529915

>>529918

>And before anyone says free will is Pagan.

>more commentary

So all you can present are commentaries and human philosophy relating to your strawman of stoicism and fatalism? I think I'm done here, it's apparent you can't come up with scripture if this is what you keep posting in every thread.

<even as He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will … In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will. (Ephesians 1:4-5,11)

You seem to be a protestant though. The only thing i'm left wondering is if you subscribe to tota scriptura or not.

>>529582

seconded

>>529974

Those commentaries rule out a Calvinistic intepretation. And as usual when all weakness and flaws of your point is given all you state is "muh strawman" without any proof or evidence nor mention of any Stoic philosopher or Reformed confession and Calvin on the issue. It takes me to point them out and how Calvin's predestination ends up being more or less the same view as the Stoics. And note that nowhere did I say Calvinism and Stoicism is 100% the same. I only said they are determinists which is also what the Oxford Handbook of Free Will and Paul Helm for instance agree upon.

Saying that Paul said this or that is not an argument and it has been destroyed at this point by reference to Evangelical theologians and NT Scholars. Saying free will is Pagan is not an excuse, an academic publication on the subject had been shown explicitly how they differ from current or later conceptions of free will. So we can be certain that Paul does not affirm your point and if your point is right, Paul is inconsistent. Saying people sin of their own will and they are responsible for such is inconsistent with God actively and intentionally predestining to damnation without reference to foreknowledge. So there cannot therefore be any real responsibility.

It is akin to the Frankfurt case where Black plants a microchip in someone's mind to make the person kill someone. Here if the person wanted to do it without the chip activating, everyone agrees he is morally culpable. But Calvinism does not work like that as predestination even to damnation doesnt take foreknowledge into account. So this is like Black making the individual with the diposition to kill when he was still in the womb for instance.

Whining about human reason isnt going to make the problem go away. And there is a good reason why the authority on Calvin today, Richard Muller have to turn Calvin into some sort of appropriator of Aquinas so that an incompatabilist account of freedom can be given.

And why? Because he and a hell lot of philosophy of religion knows that an account of free will that is compatabilist or even a denial of such is incompatible with the problem of foreknowledge or the problem of evil.

In fact, anyone who takes a philosophy of religion class will not find any solution being taught that assumes compatabilism. Nowhere. Because this is once one even gets the basic, plain obvious that a Calvinistic account doesnt work.

Which is also why church fathers are unanimous on free will and in some cases like Clement of Alexandria, assumes the Stoic view to the Valentinians.

>>529974

And also, dismissing academic or scholarly commentary on an issue doesnt make the problem go away or invalidates them. But it seems this is what you and your beloved James White have to do so much that it is simply pathetic to watch. And let's face it, you dont even know much about ancient Greek philosophy or NT scholarship in the first place.

Here are some channels I'm subbed to (not including ones mentioned previously because what's the point in mentioning them twice)

Comedy:

https://www.youtube.com/user/blimeycow/videos

Apologetics:

https://www.youtube.com/user/CSLewisDoodle/videos

Vlogs / Christian Living

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf9v3Id1nebmePy0MYF_18g/videos

https://www.youtube.com/user/jordanmichaeltaylor/videos

>>529999

>Those commentaries rule out a Calvinistic intepretation.

Anon, did you notice they're just commentaries?

>>530008

By theologians and scholars. Not some wannabe apologist like James White.

>>530008

And of course we should be thankful to you here. As you showed yourself proving my point on Sola Scriptura and how it contradicts all the early Christians.

>>529579

>common filth

>christian

This is the Commiefornian who defends Antifa (including that pornstar degenerate who got hit in the face), unironically hates white people and North Europeans in particular while clamouring for a "mixed/black race" (he pretends to being ironic but lets the mask slip at times) and upset when people criticize anything jewish. You can pinpoint the second he became disillusioned with the right to when it became okay to defend their own borders rather than Israels.

Not to mention he's an intellectual lightweight who cites LGBT-group "acceptance" charts trying to prove that sodomy is a white people thing that's non-existent in Africa, India, Pakistan etc where in reality they're rife with not only sodomy but child rape (bacha bhazi, African "apprenticesips") and only use passive/receptive homosexuality as an excuse to get rid of political/tribal enemies.

>>530009

>>530009

James White is garbagio and probably a crypto-mohammaden

>>530330

Do you mean Ascension Presents?

>>530365

>crypto-mohammaden

Well, he is a Calvinist after all.

>>530365

hello sweaty youtuber

if there is an archive of this board someone please link it

*plays Taylor Swift*

>>530465

Father Spyridon?

https://www.youtube.com/user/orthodoxstephen/videos

>>529561

>>529586

Hey look a sodomite faggot who's mad Common Filth won't circlejerk over "Muh whyte identy"

https://www.youtube.com/user/InspiringPhilosophy

This guy does some good videos.

>>530778

Following CF has its own rewards.

spiritual death

wrath

yet also apathy

and way too many memes

>>529582

Good channel, thank you. The video on St. Rose of Lima is hitting me right in the feels.

>>530749

Yes, thanks.

>>529722

james white is definitely a closet fag dude, no chance the guy is saved i even told that to God directly in a prayer im looking forward to seeing it through and what the real deal is

>>529712

>>529721

agreed P. Anderson is a, incredibly powerful man of God

>>529450

Robert Breaker https://m.youtube.com/user/Robertbreaker3

Steve Ciccolanti https://m.youtube.com/user/DiscoverMinistries

Jonathan Kleck https://m.youtube.com/user/TheJonathankleck

>>529579

>>530778

>>530726

Keep pretending to be Christian as cover for your hatred of White people. White girls f*** dogs is clearly Christian dogma.

>>535034

Those stickers are literally the only thing I know about CF, and it's enough for me not to care about what he says.