/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

>>9335

This list is a good place to start:

http://norse-mythology.org/best-books-celtic-mythology/

As for your questions on hell and which belief is right or wrong: honestly, I think that is something you are going to have to come to terms with on your own via introspection and soul searching. Read some of the books in the list provided, and feel it out.

>>9335

Also, Celtic Heathenry that is Reconstructionist in nature is one of your best bets for finding non-Wicca/SJW crap:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_Reconstructionist_Paganism

>>9335

I can help you. I am a Hermeticist (which makes me pagan). The first step for you, concerning pantheons anyways, is to know all the different theories concerning them (all of which are true in their own way btw).

There is:

>the archetypal theory

They represent archetypes which have been personified (see: law of personification). Any pantheon will usually have gods for each archetype.

>the egregore theory

They're basically memetic thoughtforms that have grown to sustain themselves off of the thoughts and emotional-energy of many people. It should be noted there are sometimes multiple egregores of the same God running about.

>the respected/exalted dead ancestor theory

In this version each God is really a human ancestor who was extremely adept in magick and so others began to worship them and give energy to them and they still interact with us to this day helping us.

Here is one of my threads on /pol/ btw: >>>/pol/4599545

You can learn a lot about how to work with pantheons from chaos magick (which is where I started years ago). I personally refuse to work with pantheons, though sometimes entities come to me of their own accord, who assume famous names (e.g. a "Moloch" and a "Satan" have visited me before). My reason for ignoring pantheons is they are too glamor-tier, anyone can assume an impressive or pleasing form, and take whatever name they want. There are elementals that will trick you.

I use rituals to contact the intelligences I need for various operations without the use of names. If I'm going to use a name at all, it's going to be to label an entity or realm I create, to make it easier to call them back or return to that place and to stabilize the entity or realm.

I recommend you read everything in here: https://8ch.net/fringe/faq.html

As for hell and heaven those are states of being. There are heavenly realms and hell-like realms and these occur on all planes; this physical plane and the higher astral planes. If you want to avoid "hell", purify your mind and embody as many virtues as you can. You should read Life Beyond Death and Reincarnation and The Law of Karma in my library under the New Thought section.

The first step in Initiation Into Hermetics by Franz Bardon has you look at yourself through the black and white mirrors. The purpose of this is to know yourself (self-knowledge). When look through the black mirror, you must absolutely trash yourself, and find every vice, every weakness, every character defect, and bring it all to light (be aware of it). When looking through the white mirror, you must discover all your virtues. You will use them to your advantage consciously and in knowing your vices you will uproot them and work on correcting them. This will purify your soul and enable you to progress to the advanced stages of magickal attainment.

I assure you that if you read everything in the /fringe/ FAQ you will have a clear, rational, self-consistent, and well fleshed out understanding and the formulas needed to manifest and attain anything you desire.

You're not aware of it right now but you are embedded in a hotbed of magickal activity. When you are ready, you will be able to go out and discover the local spirits, embrace traditions which can not ever die though they may be renamed and rediscovered many times, and live a distinctly pagan way of life. It's all there within you, in your soul, in your blood. The memories of your ancestors run through you. You may even speak their language, though it may be lost entirely today, and may have not been used in hundreds of years.

I recommend you don't look for the Gods. They will come to you of their own accord; and if they do you must test them. You don't need to read a revisionist blog to connect or anything, you just need to spiritual knowledge required to overcome spacetime, and you will make genuine connections to your past and be able to bear to light knowledge which presently isn't written anywhere.

>>9339

>and if they do you must test them

How does one test a god?

>>9341

Well, depends on what sort of "god" we are dealing with. If we mean someone like Thor, Loki, Odin, etc. you'd need to verify they truly possess the divine qualities they're supposed to have or that they really are the spirit of those wizards from the ancient times or whatever.

Besides that, look into mediumship and evocational magick, there's a ton of shit-testing to make sure they're not an impostor. IIH and PME should have you covered pretty good.

Also, there is only one The All, various polytheist religions like Hermeticism and Vodoun and so on tend to always recognize that one true, absolute, god.

Read this for an introduction to Hermeticism; http://www.hermeticfellowship.org/HFHermeticism.html

(then read The Kybalion, Arcane Teachings, and Arcane Formulas)

>I looked into celtic paganism but only found sjws and wicca shit. Where can i learn about nationalistic celtic paganism?

There's a reason wicca and wiccasatru are insults around here. :^)

I'm afraid I know nothing off-hand to point you to read about your people's faith specifically. Though if you feel like reading (or even better have I ereader) I can get you a reading list together of general european polytheism and pre-christian mindset. Will that help you? Also, for you, I will seek out texts on the celtic matter and read over them to find you some quality on it all. I know we have some celts around here who are outcasts in wicca so they might get to you first but I'm here as a backup all the same.

>Hell

Hel's domain you mean? Yeah, you can go there if you're really dishonourable or generally shit. It's not christian though… so your fear of it doesn't make much sense

What I'm saying is that within christendom it's half an invented cudgel, half a pagan syncretism and all non-christian so don't worry about it

>hermeticism ITT

The people who like it, really like it… But it's very constructed and syncretic to the point that it isn't really pure to any one thing. I won't go quite as far as to call it "christians LARPing as heathen wizards who still accept christ", but, well… For many that is kind of what it is. Something edgier than christianity but not fully polytheism or heathenry because it has just enough gnosticism to keep it deistic and therefor they can claim it ultimately comes back to christ; something nice for christian intellectuals to bandy about as a novelty when they're feeling just a little bit seditious in between masses.

>>9403

Fuck I wish I can pull off a Chupryna. Also have you ever since the movie "Viy" both versions? They seem like pretty cool Slav movies.

For OP:

>nationalistic Celtic Paganism

like the other posts say, look into Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism. Ignore the Hermeticism; I don't know what this guy's deal is, but all it's doing is muddying the waters. Focus on the basics first.

>I still fear hell if I leave

Ask yourself this OP; if they were truly the "one true religion", why would they need to threaten you and scare you into staying? I was in a similar position when I first came here, and my inner argument came down to this: "I have done nothing wrong by existing". I have no Original Sin because some dusty self-contradicting book says so (it's just like White Guilt for slavery), and I don't need saving; I don't need to bow and scrape like a slave.

Good luck on your journey OP.

>>9403

To add to this, every Baltic and Slavic diety has a direct parallel in a Germanic god.

>>9335

Hey OP, how did you go from atheism to believing in a god again? I went to church as a kid and thus believed what I was told, but then when I was 12-13ish I become an atheist, and I helped turn all my friends atheist, but now that I want to believe again, I just can't bring myself to believe deep down.

>>9439

See this thread here:

>>9438

>>9471

How can I hear the gods speak? How can I hear the gods will?

I just watched this and I was rather moved at the "the gods live inside of you" part, despite this guy being a Universalist, I really felt… something, inside me, and now I need more of what ever this feeling is.

>>9473

whoops forgot link

http://renegadetribune.com/a-christian-testimony-and-the-norse-gods/

>>9473

Trying to spread this message out over three threads is killing me (maybe we need a newbie QnA sticky?). I've done a write-up on the matter here

>>9446

>>9447

I linked a book that is all about "feeling and believing". Also written down some of my own personal experiences. In my case knowing the spirits and wardens came before the gods so for me it was fairly easy. Though I think a lot of people are in negative feedback loops of disbelief in this modern era. If after reading that you have questions you can post them there or here.

>>9475

I just downloaded that today, will read later though.

>>9335

>probably 70% is irish, and the rest being mostly english, like 15-25%.

>So, i have no real connection to the nordic Gods, but to the celtic ones maybe

If you're part English, you have some connection to the Germanic gods. There was also English and Norse settlement in Ireland, mind - let's face it, all Germanic peoples have Celtic admixture, and all Celtic peoples have Germanic admixture. Now, I think that Celtic polytheism is likely "right" for you, but I think that you shouldn't rule out Germanic polytheism entirely just because you're mostly Irish. Examine them both and be sincere about your relevant feelings.

>>9434

I haven't looked into Baltic and Slavic ("Slavic", for >>9403) deities but you're likely very right. (Almost) all Celtic deities, too, are likely to have a Germanic parallel although not all Germanic deities will necessarily have a Baltic, Slavic or Celtic parallel. I subscribe to the theory (which I think is the general scholarly consensus) that Germanic ethnogenesis, if we want to call it that, was the result of indigenous northern Europeans (speaking an indigenous European language, i.e. not Indo-European, and carrying the I1 paternal lineage) mixing genetically, linguistically and culturally (including religiously) with westward-migrating proto-Balto-Slavic people (speaking an Indo-European language which would evolve into the Baltic and Slavic languages we have today, and carrying the R1a paternal lineage) before some time later mixing with northwards-migrating proto-Celtic people (speaking a proto-Celtic language and carrying the R1b paternal lineage).

I'm not an expert enough to give the details of the linguistics, but linguists who reconstruct ancient languages have pointed to proto-Germanic having similarities with proto-Balto-Slavic and early Celtic languages while also having some vocabulary seemingly in no way cognate with other Indo-European languages supporting the above idea regarding how the proto-Germanic language arose. Looking at the distribution of Y-chromosomal groups in the "Germanic heartland" of southern Scandinavia and the south-west coast of the Baltic sea supports the notion that these three groups interbred roughly evenly, though unsurprisingly, as genetic flow is expected, R1a is becomes more common as you move eastwards and R1b becomes more common as you move westwards and southwards (though, tangentially, it's worth bearing in mind that both R1a and R1b have different subclades with different "ancestral implications", if you will). The religious similarities point to the same thing, though as proto-Germanic has words of seemingly pre-Indo-European origin, so, too, does Germanic religion - Wodanaz, or Woden or Odin, most notably doesn't seem to have any Indo-European "cognates" in Celtic, Slavic, Hellenic etc. pantheons.

A fairly tangential rant overall, but maybe consider the idea that the Celtic, Baltic and Slavic people are "cousins" to the Germanic people a point in favour of what I said here >>9528.

I was born Christian and stayed this way for all my life, and I've always wanted to join the Orthodox church. But then I discovered paganism. I was interested in what our ancestors believed in. I don't know if I'm still a Christian or not. I guess I could consider myself lapsed since I stopped praying.

Lurking /asatru/ and the asatru subreddit, everyone tells me that I should worship who my ancestors worshiped. Problem is- I don't know who my ancestors were. I am a mixedfag- and I blame my parents. My mother has a lot of european blood, but a little cherokee. My father has a lot of hispanic blood in him, but a little arab (palestinian and assyrian). Can /asatru/ help me out? Is it bad to worship Gods of the Aesir such as Odin when I only have SOME european blood? I do favor my mother more since I look nothing like a spic or an arab.

>>9585

There has been a debate raging on this board on the issue of whether to allow in minimally mixed people, or to keep out people who have so much as a single metaphorical drop of mixed blood.

The current consensus reached is that this is an issue for individual tribes to decide, and thus is something you will have to deal with on a tribal level. Some tribes will accept you, and others will turn you away, and you will have to accept that as their right of free association, period.

More personal advice I can give you is along these lines:

Are you serious about fostering and maintaining a cohesive ancestral line? Then pick one. Whichever one you reverberate with the most. Then avoid further miscegenation and breed only with those of your favored ancestral stock, and raise your children to not miscegenate. Do this for successive generations and you will have clearer and clearer ancestral stock.

If none of this appeals to you, then do whatever the hell you want.

>>9586

Thank you for the reply. I am still studying Asatru and Norse paganism. Do you got any tips on where to start? Do I have to set up an altar or is that a Wiccan thing?

>>9587

Check out the sticky:

>>2

Go through the recommended reading list for beginners:

>>9450

And then download the "Temple of our Heathen Gods pdf collection" folder and go through it at your own pace:

>>9524

And yes, you should eventually set up an altar:

>>9445