/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

"Once we are clear about this, we come today to a paradoxical realization: that this imaginary paganism that never existed, but was invented by Christian apologists, is now serving as the starting-point for certain so-called pagan circles, and is thus threatening for the first time in history to become a reality–no more and no less than that."

>>9116

Evola was a greasy Sicilian who tried to undermine Paganism while false-flagging under the reactionary banner. I'd argue that it was his historical perception that was flawed, as many of his major influences were Christians like Maistre. The 'mixture of Spirit and Nature, in an ambiguous unity of Body and Soul' that he mentions shows his childish understanding of pagan philosophy as the so-called healthy dualism of his is foreign to European paganism, according to Nietzsche it originated with Zoroaster, and is central to the faiths of our world-denying enemies. The ironic part is when he mentions degenerate paganism but doesn't see how his dualism fits into that, and for his examples in its usage he lists the Iranians, the Greeks (who were one the receivers of Iranian dualism), the Nords somehow (what is an Ases anyway?), and finally an Indian philosophical concept that is easily bent towards his ideology. He also says blood and soil bound particularism is a bad thing, but never explains why. Basically he thinks that true Paganism is degenerate, that degenerate Paganism is true, and that we should borrow from, or "transcend", Christianity until we become good goy degenerate pagans.

I don't have a negative connotation for the word pagan whatsoever. 'Heathenry' sounds dumb to me, I don't see the appeal of the word. But to think that using pagan as a word which should be regretted is silly.

The difference between 'pagan' and 'heathen' is that pagan has only ever meant non-abrahamic religion. Whereas heathenry also meant degeneracy such as sleeping around.

Pagan, meaning villager is folkish as fuck. It basically directly translates to 'folkish.' It's far-flung elitists looking down on the common people who refused to convert, resisted conversion, and forced those far flung rulers to adopt a lot of their religious customs under the guise of Christianity such as the bulk of these 'Christmas' traditions we may be enjoying today. The word 'pagan' is like a glorious monument to our ancestors' resistance.

>>9125

Heathen and Pagan have the same basic connotations in regards to referring to rural/folk people; with the word Pagan also having been used by Christians and others to colloquially reference degeneracy. (i.e. "It's like a damn Pagan orgy!" etc.)

The preference of one or the other basically comes down to linguistic regional origin. The word Pagan is of Greco-Roman Mediterranean lineage, while the word Heathen is of Northern European descent.

Thus, those that practice a Central/Northern European folk religion tend to prefer the term Heathen. While those of a Hellenic or Roman bent lean towards the word Pagan.

I think Wotanism and all other Pagan beliefs, need a new image, to be rebranded, I think we should change Celtic Paganism to Druidism with an organised church, Druids and the like.

>>9126

Well I relate more to the Germanic gods, but I just would never use the word heathen. I'm just stuck thinking of heathen as the more derogatory term and pagan as the generic word for non-jewish religions. Self-identifying as a heathen would feel too larpy for my taste.

>>9127

An organized Druidic Order would be great if you could keep it from selling out to being anti-racist. The Asatru Folk Assembly is purple pill at best, and condemns racism. I don't want to be too hard on them, they stand up for white nationalism and that's to their credit. But let's not forget the cringey anti-racist campaign some of them did on twitter last year led by that embarrassingly fat neckbeard saying Asatru is not racist, and all the redditor fake asatruans telling mongrels they can be Asatruans too. This creeping universalism is a problem that deeply concerns me.

The value of a Druidic Order can't be overstated, though. It needs to happen. We need to be able to call jihads for the purpose of mobilizing our warriors and seizing new homelands as our old ones are overrun. The Druids are a vanguard of educated people who make decisions which steer the society as a whole. The Druids will be a critical institution in pushing us to reconquer Europe, The Americas, and Australia over the next century after they collapse to their own diversity.

>>9118

So are you a naturalist neopagan? I extend that question to everyone

>>9131

What do you mean by naturalist?

>>9118

pretty much this

Evola, besides being a greasy Daygo with an inferiority complex towards the Nords, is generally a shitty wisdom writer for dilettantes. Definitely a false-flag, all because he couldn't get over his mudshit inheritance.

>>9130

>this creeping universalism is a problem that deeply concerns me.

as it should, since such Universalism is exclusively a Jewish phenomenon and is thus the prime enemy of all world/particular based life. That is the lesson of Nietzsche.

>>9150

>is generally a shitty wisdom writer for dilettantes.

What are some examples of good wisdom writers?

>>9157

There are none IMO: wisdom writing is a bad habit.

>>9159

What do you precisely mean by "wisdom writing" then? I get the feeling that we're interpreting this term as completely different things.

>>9160

probably

For me, wisdom writers are dilettantes that speak in platitudes about matters that deserve analysis more serious than what they can afford.

Examples: Harold Bloom, Oscar Wilde.

Evola writes in the most general, hackneyed terms about Europe and basically flounders between platitudes, "traditionalism" being one of them.

At this point, Catholicism is about as "traditional" as anything else, hell, "human rights" now has its own tradition, but they're pieces of shit and not at all good for Europe.

>>9116

>>9117

This writing is actually a fairly good critique of some of the more flawed strains of modern pagan thought. Not just the Wiccatruars, but also of the hardcore recons.

There is a line of thought that is gaining steam in some recon circles that entails that there is no hypostasis between variations of the gods, but rather, that each variation is it's own unique individual god. I.e. to them, Odin, Woden, Wotan, Wodenaz, etc. are not essentially the same god as interpreted by different people, but quite literally are completely separate gods that fill a niche role that gives them commonality.

There is also an overall tendency to petty infighting and hyper-tribalism between recon groups, in contrast to a drive for greater unity in the face of the common enemy, institutional Marxism. Thus, recons tend to not only be hostile to Wiccatraurs, but also Heathens of the White Nationalist variety, who tend to practice a more esoteric interpretation of Heathenry.

While not quite as literalist as thinking lightning and thunder are a red-bearded man in a chariot pulled by goats across the sky, recons tend towards a more lower exoteric interpretation of Heathen myths, that is tied to the culture of the common folk, rather than a deeper esoteric understanding like the priestly class.

I believe this is what Evola means when he criticizes their "Blood and Soil Particularism."

>>9311

(cont'd)

Though I find myself disagreeing with his assertion that modifying Christianity is the best course of action. But rather, as the later posts in this thread outline >>4353 that a paganism that is a higher esoteric vanguard arise and inform the movement.