/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

>>4360

you're a joke, faggot.

>>4377

>the second european civil war

WHAT?

>>5980

That's kind of an iffy comparison, since those clothes don't rub off against Japanese attire worn habitually before their conquest. Other traditional clothing with a similar loose fit is still the norm in certain social environments.

The gap between contemporary European outfits and leather outfits and robes and that stuff is much wider.

>>5062

do you even Epic of Adolf?

>>4514

I forgot to respond to you, sorry.

first:

>Forgetting how to digest nutrients does not make sense.

It does, when the ability to secrete certain enzymes stops being expressed in a species' or race's genotype. Starting from puberty, many races tend to 'forget' how to digest lactose. In my metaphor, when the chain of initiation of the many heathen cults was broken after Christianity came, we forgot how to make the enzymes to 'digest' the symbolism and the rites. Only myth remains open to us, because it operates on several levels of the mind (poetry, history, psychology, etc…)

Now, you're right that I am ignorant about the original reconstructionists and their motives. I have since read some of the texts you linked, and I think I understand where your reservations come from. (cont.)

>>5982 cont.

Linzie et al. want to create an exoteric religion, a polytheistic cult much like the Roman ones, where the main focus is the institution itself (followers, a place ofworship and a set of rites, a public body of clergy/hierophants and the symbolism to tie it all together and make it distinguishable from other cults of worship). They strive to reconstruct the old religions on an organisational level, hoping that, when they reach a certain treshold, their institution will be able to compete with the Church, or the Cathedral (pardon my neoreactionary lingo, but you get the gist).

In this sense, the plans for a temple in Iceland would be seen as a major step forward, something that pushes the movement into a higher gear. I think that's only partially correct.

cont.

>>5983

So in Linzie's eyes, if what's most important is to erect an organisational body around the old symbols (names of the gods, art, rituals), there is indeed no use in borrowing from related religions, and particularism is the way to go. In fact, diluting the 'brand' of norse or germanic heathenry with hellenic insights, or by interpreting the Hanging Man with Hindu terminology, would damage the cult's main point of attraction: an easily recognisable body of symbols and folklore that anyone with ethnic consciousness can relate to.

>>5984

I argue that this exoteric, organisational approach is not enough. I am not against it per se; it has its purpose and use, and I too have this emotional attachment to meadhalls, May King ceremonies, solstice gatherings around standing stones and the stories of the Aces etc. I get it.

But paganism is not competing against a Church alone. If it were that simple, just shoving some money into the temple would suffice, as it did for so many low church protestant ministries. They succeed(ed) because they could ride the coattails of the deeper spiritual currents in Christianity (the judaic, egalitarian, world-denying ones).

cont.

>>5985 cont.

What most serious pagans do get, is that the true purpose of our revival is to combat these currents that Christianity brought into our nations' consciousness. The mistake they make, though, is believing they can compete with these currents by the organisational method alone. "Market the norse myths, organise the rites in public, build a temple, and people will become attracted to the pre-Christian way of thinking."

This is a mistake, because it is essentially cargo-culting the success of the Catholic Church. They had the good fortune to sell their world-view on the back of the Romans' institutions. But it does not follow that we build our own competing institutions. Roman Catholicism succeeded because the Roman Church was already dominant before it was Christian. (By the way, if this makes you think that the optimal way to succeed is to infiltrate the Church and subvert it into paganism, you'd be correct. Sadly, we're too late, and can no longer outnumber the spic and the negro).

cont.

>>5986 cont.

Then, what do we need to supplant the poison that snuk into our cultures via Christianity? The answer is: we need to restore the esoteric teachings. We need to find out what made pre-Christian thinkers tick. You don't get that by re-enacting how they danced or prepared food (though it may be a useful secondary pursuit).

The problem with doing so, with attaining the alchemical gold, so to speak, is that its normal way of coming to us, via initiation, has been severed. René Guénon guessed that there is currently no working body capable of initiating Tradition in the Western world (though he supposed they still exist in the East, in Hinduism through the guru tradition, and hidden within the some schools of Buddhism).

>>5987 cont.

How do we bridge this gap between our minds and those of our pre-Christian ancestors? How can we obtain the lost teachings and restart the chain of initiation? Obviously we will not be able to restore the exact same picture. We would have no way to check if it were the same in any case.

We can, however, and we do, compare the surviving bits and pieces of knowledge. Through genetics, archeology, linguistics, symbology, folk wisdom, literature and a cultivated personal experience, we can bring together all the remaining European symbols, myths and doctrines (some of them preserved in the Church).

>>5988 cont.

important part

From them, we can separate (but not discard!) the substantial from the essential, and distil something else. 'Something else' will not be the historic religion common to all Indo-Europeans, but it will consist of the world-view and dispensation of thinking that gave birth to all of our tradition, from Slavic to Baltic to Roman to Celtic and to whatever European ethnicity might come into existence a hundred years from now.

Is that not the best way to honor your ancestors - all of them, not just the ones who lived in north-west Europe from 200 BC - 600 CE?

I'm not suggesting you drop Thor for some syncretic Indo-European Thunderer. I'm suggesting that, when you meditate on Thor, or speak about him in public, you'd be able to convey the meaning behind the Principle of Contraction, and know that it's translated into Thor, Perun, Zeus, Jupiter, Indra etc, and that it's expressed in the runes and the irminsul just as much as in the pillars of the parthenon and the Notre Dame.

>>5989

>that it's expressed in the runes and the irminsul just as much as in the pillars of the parthenon and the Notre Dame.

(…) or in the Arianne rockets, to give a more fitting example for our age.

>tfw no edit function, pls help admin

>>5980

Anon that's ritual garb. It has more in common with the shit bishops wear than with people putting on tunics and leggings.

>>4376

I have a question. I'm still somewhat new to hard polytheistic paganism, and I'm not entirely sure where to begin. The problem lies in the fact that, as an American, I have ancestors from very different cultures (specifically Celtic, Slavic, and Mediterranean). I'm closest to the Slavic part of my family, but spiritually, I find Celtic ethno-religion more interesting, and I know nothing whatsoever about the Mediterranean part. So my question is, where should I start on my journey?

>>6072

Read up on all of them. Either you will grasp their essence in depth, and will realize the futility of your dilemma, or you will stumble upon one particular myth or piece lore that draws you in so completely that it settles your choice.

>>6074

As far as the Mediterranean parts go, I don't know what part of Italy my dad's family comes from, so I guess the closest I could get by pure guess is the is the Greco-Roman pantheon.

>>5982

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>>5989

>>5990

I apologize for taking so long to respond. Quite a lot of drama and obligations during the tail end of last year prevented me from cracking open "Which Way Western Man?", plus I wanted to take some time to mentally chew on what you said.

I want to thank you for your thoughts. Though I have not finished "Which Way Western Man?" yet, what I've read so far, combined with your thoughts in this thread have been a turning point for me.

When I initially got into Heathenry, I unwittingly practiced Wiccatru. Then I happened to stumble upon some hardcore Reconstructionist material, and graduated to that. Now I have graduated to desiring a more esoteric understanding of Heathenry. I think this is an important thread and discussion that needs to inform the general culture of this board

>>4366

what we need is more /his/ and /out/ and less /pol/, getting sick of all the hitler wanking down here, i'm all for keeping whites white, and against race mixing and stuff but the 3rd reich is far a way from asatru paradise. hell, it was supposed to be a reincarnation of the holy roman empire, the empire that essentially stood at the beginning of the end of heathenry.

>>9351

oh well when you put it that way it makes some sense, though i have just read up on himmler and i don't think he'd last long in a european society before 1700 (being excused from fencing and beer drinking by the student's club) but i don't really care about that. but anyway, /pol/ is cancer and i don't think they have ever done anything productive, /out/ and /his/ on the other hand are full of knowledge that might be useful for asatruar, like reading up on indo european migrations and stuff, how ancient societys worked, and /out/ is full of stuff anyone wanting to be able to survive out in the wild like or ancestors sometimes had to do, hunting, trapping, fishing, foraging and other skills are essential for anyone wanting to get in touch with woden and his/her ancestors.

>>4533

the word easter seems to be based on the word Eostre, which is based on ostara. it is like calling a car an automobile

>>4535

how should i call easter? in my language it is called "pasen" which sounds a lot like passover or pesach to me, and well, that is kikelanguage.

>>9352

>oh well when you put it that way it makes some sense, though i have just read up on himmler and i don't think he'd last long in a european society before 1700 (being excused from fencing and beer drinking by the student's club) but i don't really care about that.

The thing about Himmler isn't that he was some idol to worship as the ideal heathen, merely that out of the political factions of the national socialist state his was the most successful and depending what research or theories you buy into the only one still alive and operating today. It IS a little odd that the right in europe is very pagan in flavor and uses the black sun even in nations where it could feasibly use the swastika, isn't it? Like, where did the NSism of the internet even come from? Who injected that idea? We were all disheartened with the modern world but it just seems odd the first natural idea in our generation would have been to dust off the reich instead of becoming cuckservatives. It does truly makes a person wonder…

I would also argue his soul was born into a weak body and arguably did the best he could with the hand he was dealt for that life. To be sure he did more for the old gods than any one of us have managed thusfar.

>but anyway, /pol/ is cancer

It sounds to me like you're conflating /pol/ with national socialism. Like I said, national socialism as a political movement isn't going anywhere in völkisch heathen circles. You can learn to at least accommodate it unless you want to sign up for some wiccasatru group like "heathens against hate" (and also earn yourself a relaxing swim on the day of the bog).

>and i don't think they have ever done anything productive

/pol/ has some interesting uses like redpilling people new to the "alt-right" (whatever exactly it is) that just because their parents and grandparents were christians doesn't mean that christianity isn't protoliberal cuckery. Also the twitter campaigns and youtube projects like open gates accomplished things. You're right to a degree though, a lot of /pol/ is generally pointless argument and if one spends time just on /pol/ they'll be a soft and flabby person come the day of action. That's more an argument for moderation than exclusion, though.

>>9351

There is a BIG difference between creating our own culture based on the Heathen worldview that others adapt to, and indulging in SCA shit.

>>9359

PS: Even if you "created our own culture based on the Heathen worldview" you would still be demonstrating its qualities via LARPing it until it caught on anyway. Until then you are going to look stupid to a lot of people, a potential visionary who is currently just a madman waiting for his "first follower".

Whenever I hear we have to do something completely brand new (or at least half never-before-tried) it seems like somebody hasn't fully purged the deterministic progressivism from their minds yet. CURRENT YEAR is no different from any year. Men are still Men, Women are still Women, Europeans are still Europeans and Semites are still Semites. The day is the same over here as it is over there and for this kiss my arse!

>>9359

>>9360

While I admire your ubermensch outlook overall, I think you're missing the forest for the trees.

The concern of myself and others in this thread is that the adoption of the surface level trappings of Heathen culture is taking precedence over the worldview informing such surface level trappings.

There have been many subcultures such as Goths, Hippies, Punks, Ravers etc. that have consisted of people brave enough to attract a following by being willing to look like idiots, that have nevertheless faded into irrelevancy.

Why? Because there was nothing to their subculture of substance beyond a uniform and music (and in some cases, a drug of choice.)

There's nothing to Hippie culture beyond tie die t-shirts, jam band music, and lsd/marijuana.

There's nothing to Goth culture beyond wearing all black and depressing music.

There's nothing to Punk culture beyond spikes, torn cloths, mohawks, alcholic binges, making an ass out of oneself, and improv 4 piece rock.

There's nothing to Rave culture beyond, glow-sticks, baggy pants, ecstasy, and electronic dance music.

We do not want Heathenry to suffer a similar fate.

The essence of LARPing is dressing up in a costume and playing an adult version of pretend. All the examples you gave of movements "LARPing until they made it" were not LARPing in the first place. They had a worldview that they sincerely believed in and followed to the letter, and that worldview informed any aesthetics that came about, not the other way around.

The early Christians were not focused on yarmulkes and payots.

Wearing black dress slacks, and a white dress shirt, and bicycling around and witnessing, alone, does not make you a Mormon. Even believing in space Jesus and magic underpants alone does not make you a Mormon.

Off the top of your head, without Googling, can you think of a single article of clothing that defines Scientology?

The fact is, there is a current in Heathenry that thinks dressing up like Vikings used to dress back in the Middle Ages will magically make one a Heathen. This is wrong and needs to be combated if we want Heathenry to eventually progress from a niche subculture to one that can direct the course of White civilization once more.

>>9376

>The concern of myself and others in this thread is that the adoption of the surface level trappings of Heathen culture is taking precedence over the worldview informing such surface level trappings.

I'm brave enough to admit that it was precisely the surface level trappings that were what initially caught my attention as a teenager. Around here that seems to make one inauthentic but I'm much less invested in that than actually spreading a worldview and spirituality that unfucks and uncucks our people and returns them to balance with their nature, nature as an entity and all the other things we care about. Do you think people who "find christ" have read the combined works of the internal dialogue of the church from foundation to know and agree fully with the theological conclusions therein? Or they saw good people with some good surface trappings and decided to find out more?

>Wearing black dress slacks, and a white dress shirt, and bicycling around and witnessing, alone, does not make you a Mormon. Even believing in space Jesus and magic underpants alone does not make you a Mormon.

You've got it a little backwards. Not everybody who believes in magic underpants is a mormon, true… but every mormon DOES still believe in magic underpants. The point there is that any attempt to strip down "surface trappings" isn't even going to matter for this reason, anybody who is attracted to the whole still takes on the parts. This is a similar argument to saying that if the japanese want to be less superficial they should stop wearing kimonos because well duh everybody alreadu knows japanese wear that…

The problem is in-authenticity and we address that with completely different means than paring down our culture. When somebody finds a "cultural shiny" that sparks their modern ADHD like "le pagan viking raiders are so ebin hardcore" what you do is infuse authenticity, you don't get rid of things that are actually authentic, if also superficial. You don't say victorian england was ruled by tea and that tea was the axis of their lives… but they still drank tea. It's a problem of focus and not one of content.

MY issue is actually similar to your own in that I fear authenticity may get tossed overboard simply because "we were worried it that it was this thing that was attracting people instead of the abstract message on a purely stoic level". Nobody starts anything as a hardcore true believer, there is always some glint of something that pulls them in.

ON TOP of that if something is attracting people, why on earth would you trash it even on that argument alone?

>The essence of LARPing is dressing up in a costume and playing an adult version of pretend. All the examples you gave of movements "LARPing until they made it" were not LARPing in the first place. They had a worldview that they sincerely believed in and followed to the letter, and that worldview informed any aesthetics that came about, not the other way around.

That is missing the forest for the trees though. The whole "LEL LARPAGANS" argument ignores the true meaning by trying to imply we're somehow being inauthentic despite preaching authenticity. It's a cuckstian canard that I'm subverting by playing on that narrative to point out that living by hebrew message is even moreso inauthentic and it still caught on. That inventing le world proletariat is not only inauthentic to anything but purely invented by a NEET autist no less and it still swept the world.

>The fact is, there is a current in Heathenry that thinks dressing up like Vikings used to dress back in the Middle Ages will magically make one a Heathen.

I somehow doubt this… Though many of us have this annoyance with "modern dress". From SoCal to South Africa you'll find a world of faggots in t-shirts and pants. Everybody needs to start reclaiming ethnic garb for reasons that aren't even related to heathenry, I just posit you'll find an extreme crossover of people who reject globalism and also support native european gods. Like I said, you obviously don't have to weave some wool and home and make a shitty shirt of it. You can have modern methods, materials and techniques… But appearances matter. To believe that function matters more is innately modernist and while SJWs may be all about identity signaling as a means of dividing and conquering it is just as wrong to let them own the practice because the alternative is full globalist modernism where we all are lukebrown goobacks in the same silvery bodysuits. I believe you CAN judge people based on their looks and I also posit that is very much heathen. The man who doesn't respect himself will not be strong or groomed. The women who doesn't respect herself will be fat and not take care of her hair, etc.

>This is wrong and needs to be combated if we want Heathenry to eventually progress from a niche subculture to one that can direct the course of White civilization once more.

This isn't rin any way combated by calling ostara easter or refraining from the use of "thank the gods" or changing your name if you're named something cucked like "matthew" or "paul" or "ahmed" (same semitic shit), though…

>>9380

>I believe you CAN judge people based on their looks and I also posit that is very much heathen. The man who doesn't respect himself will not be strong or groomed. The women who doesn't respect herself will be fat and not take care of her hair, etc.

Addendum: So the person who doesn't care about their nationalism or völkischness will not wear clothing that doesn't intrinsically reflect their nation and will instead conform to whatever the sweatshops are shitting out for the masses of the globe.

>Well but not everybody who wears ethnic garb DOES respect their nation… it might just be superficial! I mean I once met a guy who wore a tyrolean and he wasn't even from the alps!

>Well not everybody who says "allahu ackbar" wants to kill and rape us… it might just be religious! I mean, I once met a guy who was muslim and he seemed perfectly nice…

Seems reasonable, I'd hate to be some ebil bigot who generalises even if generalities are perfectly valid ways to make proportionally accurate assessments. Please, take whatever you want, just don't call me a badthinkword!

>>9379

>>9380

>>9381

Relying on surface level trappings to attract converts is a terrible and stupid idea. When you do that, particularly in this modern age, you attract a specific type of person: a damaged narcissist who loves the effort free validation and attention that comes with adopting a surface level image.

The Wiccan/New Age segment of paganism embraces this aesthetic strategy with predictable results:

https://www.google.com/search?q=stonehenge+celebration&espv=2&biw=1680&bih=989&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi48a-50r7KAhVByYMKHeoEBNMQ_AUIBygC

You dress like freaks, and act like freaks, you're going to attract freaks. We don't want to attract freaks. We don't want to be some exclusive micro-club of quirky iconoclasts. We want Heathenry to take it's rightful place as the sovereign of White civilization as a whole.

You don't accomplish that by appealing to eccentric weirdos. You accomplish that by attracting a core of common, everyday, salt of the earth, normal people. We dress up like Vikings, and the normal people we want will instantly write us off as weirdos at worst, and teenage edgelords at best, and they have every right to make this distinction.

The cults that have the most successful mainstream penetration, Freemasons, Mormons and Scientologists, do not parade about in eccentric costumes. (and don't bother bringing up the Shriners and their fezzes; its a very special isolated thing associated with children's hospitals that they don't wear 24/7) They also try keep their weirder aspects under wraps until initiates become more invested in their cult. That's not compromising or selling out, that's being smart.

Contrast that with two other cults: the Anton Lavey Church of Satan, and the Amish/Mennonites.

The Church of Satan embraces theatrical aesthetics, and predictably attracts disenfranchised weirdos trying to piss off mommy and daddy.

The Amish/Mennonites embrace an anti-modern old world aesthetic (and thus, is an analogue for what would happen if our movement went the full Middle Ages Viking garb route), and is an isolated niche community with no relevant bearing on shaping the larger world, and they've been around for about 300 years.

Being willing to be an idiot and stand out is not enough; you've got to be smart about it. Being a shirtless guy dancing at an outdoor music festival is world's apart from dressing like Vikings.

>I somehow doubt this

Then I somehow doubt that you have much experience in the wider Heathen movement. I have experienced this crap first hand enough to want to see it stamped out.

>You've got it a little backwards….

No. Japanese culture did not come about by people going "Oh wow! Those kimonos are so cool! I want to be Japanese now!"

The bottom line is this: show me a cult or subculture with eccentric aesthetics that clash with the wider mainstream culture, and I'll show you a cult/subculture that is doomed to irrelevancy, if it is not already irrelevant. This is because normal people will steer clear of brazenly flamboyant aesthetics like the plague, while maladjusted weirdos seeking self-esteem from image will be drawn like moths to a flame.

Viking garb, kimonos, etc. were the product of the dominant culture of their day, not the fringe. You don't like the current globalist t-shirt and jeans uniform and want to see ethnic garb return? Good. But if you want to get this accomplished, you have to do it right and smart, and that means via long-term big picture thinking. In other words, we become the dominant culture, and then we can shape it. But we have to get there in the first place, and we won't if we jump the gun by having a "The Lord of the Rings called, they want their fashion sense back" fashion sense that drives normal people away.

Even the kookiest of cults have a system that relies on gradual desensitization rather than over the top theatrics:

http://michaelbluejay.com/x/how-cults-recruit.html

>>9387

(cont'd)

>B-b-but… core memebers… uncompromisingly….

Take a look at the Nazi picture you posted in one of your posts:

>>9359

They are not wearing costumes; they are wearing professional looking and timeless military uniforms. Hel, look at pictures of Nazi youth group members and everyday German citizens during that period. They look like the normal people of their day, and could honestly pass for normal today. The Nazis did not wear clothing that was garish and alienating to the common man, but rather clothing that gave off an image of power and professionalism within the confines of mainstream society.

Look at his forward in Mein Kampf:

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/forward.html

Those people listed were some of the earliest members of his group. Look at their professions: hatter, headwaiter, businessman/woman, valet, bank clerk, locksmith, etc. Sure there are some engineers and a Calvary captain as well, but the movement clearly attracted a blue collar crowd. Whether you like it or not, that's what we need to do if our movement is going to take off.

So no, sorry, we can't just dress however the hel we want and expect things to just magically work out for us because we believe strongly enough. PR and realpolitik matter. Period.

>>9388

(cont'd)

Furthermore take a look at the current nominee for video of the week to see what real Nationalists making a real difference look like:

>>9385

Notice the lack of capes and Viking helmets.

>>9390

(cont'd)

Here are some pics, from an older thread, of some of the most successful Folkish Heathen organizations out there:

>>7790

>>7807

Nuff said.

>>9388

>Take a look at the Nazi picture you posted in one of your posts:

>They are not wearing costumes; they are wearing professional looking and timeless military uniforms.

Incorrect, the early brownshirts WERE a costume. When they went door to door handing out food to the poor it was indeed a little silly because they'd do their little roman salute and be wearing their quirky little uniforms, all 20 of them.

But hey, I'm starving, it's free food and these guys are here for me if I need anything. It's a little odd, but no too odd… I think I'll ask for more info.

That's exactly it. You're right that the full SCA treatment cannot happen today, or tomorrow, or next week and that those people are jumping the gun. But the moment you aren't constantly teasing the window of acceptability in your direction is the moment you're not true to what we stand for.

So my point remains standing, we can eventually tug society wherever we want. It won't be this week but if we want that eventually destination to be "By the gods, Thorgirdr, I cannot wait for ostara! What a lovely dress, frigg herself would blush with envy!" then it can be. We don't go too hard, but we cannot (will not, in my case) settle either.

For me it's just as simple as some knot-pattern cufflinks and a patterned tie to my businesssuit. It's a start, and any time I think I can shift my look a little closer to the goal smartly and still being taken seriously I will. Likewise I drop critiques of marxism and christianity whenever it's applicable and to just enough degree that I'm on the edge but not shot down for it, I don't go full "14/88 gas the kikes racewar now" even if that's my internal world and I AM that way amongst people who also are that way. Redpilling, window shifting, whatever you call it it's a process but you must never lose track of your goals. Just because you're only remarking on the implausibility of industrial furnaces cremating millions when somebody mentions a topic doesn't mean you go "w-well… I'd rather not b-b-beacause I might alienate…".

If you aren't equally looking to shift the windows then you're the stagnation-point of our movement, pure and simple.

>>9394

>>9395

We seem to be on the same page then.

While I will have to respectfully agree to disagree on the Nazi Brownshirt uniforms being outright costumes, I think you nail it with these points right here:

>It's a little odd, but no too odd

>For me it's just as simple as some knot-pattern cufflinks….etc.

This is exactly the aesthetic strategy we need to adopt right now: in other words, less Viking Reenactment, more Viking-esque Mormon.

I look at a man in a short-sleeved white pocketed dress shirt with black slacks, and I instantly think "Mormon." But at the same time, it is a look that is iconic without being too out there and off putting. This is what kindreds need to be focusing on in their aesthetics: iconic and distinct while being within the confines of mainstream fashion, with the end goal of pushing the envelope further.

>>9397

>less Viking Reenactment, more Viking-esque Mormon.

>I look at a man in a short-sleeved white pocketed dress shirt with black slacks, and I instantly think "Mormon."

What the fuck do the mormons have to do with anything? And why should we be trying to be like perhaps the silliest of all the branches of christendom?

>>9398

Reading comprehension; work on it.

>>9399

I'd urge you to work on your authorship first. Not every failure of communication is on the receiving end.

>>9412

How are they hard polytheists?

>>9412

While I'm not sure what that guys point with bringing up mormon dress was… One has to admit the mormons have an interesting blueprint for pushing a belief system.

>Believe in magic underpants space marine cosmojesus settling the stars and add in a sprinkling of masonry because it's not like any of this makes any sense anyway

>Everybody calls you an idiot and tries to shoot you

>Find 5-6 women

>Go innadesert and have 20 kids

>Tell those 20 kids to have 20 kids and to tell their 20 kids to have 20 kids too

>Suddenly, Deseret

>Now nobody can ignore you, even if they belittle you

>Fast forward to 2100

>The USA is now Mormon

>Praise CosmoJesus! I'm sure he'll give me a few planets for this.

If we wanted to introduce polygamy or just all get together and agree to have twenty kids with our one wife we could believe or practice or culturalise whatever the fuck we wanted, frankly.

>>9418

Instead of dressing up in medieval garb, dress up in something iconic, yet well within the confines of modern fashion, while keeping the long term end goal of bringing back ethnic garb.

The white short sleeve pocketed dress shirt with black slacks that Mormons are known for is a perfect example of this concept.

It's iconic and memorable: when you see someone in your neighborhood bicycling or walking about in a short sleeved pocketed dress shirt with black slacks, you more than likely instantly think "Mormon." Yet it is not outlandishly garish in the least.

If Heathenry is to adopt an aesthetic strategy, it should be something like that. I.e. we wear dress shirts/suits/blazers/sports coats/etc. in a particular combination of colors or way that when people look at us, they instantly go "Heathen" without writing us off as loonies.

We can incorporate such things as what you outline here:

>For me it's just as simple as some knot-pattern cufflinks and a patterned tie to my businesssuit.

I do not understand why you misunderstood me; I thought I made myself perfectly clear.

>>9420

>If Heathenry is to adopt an aesthetic strategy, it should be something like that. I.e. we wear dress shirts/suits/blazers/sports coats/etc. in a particular combination of colors or way that when people look at us, they instantly go "Heathen" without writing us off as loonies.

This is the part that was vague when you said "heathen mormon"; it kind of inspired thoughts of just dressing like mormons do which would be silly. It makes sense now that you've elaborated.