No.8422
>On the contrary, it is entirely out of harmony with the spirit of the nation to keep harping on that far-off and forgotten nomenclature which belongs to the ancient Germanic times and does not awaken any distinct association in our age. This habit of borrowing words from the dead past tends to mislead the people into thinking that the external trappings of its vocabulary are the important feature of a movement. It is really a mischievous habit; but it is quite prevalent nowadays.
>At that time, and subsequently, I had to warn followers repeatedly against these wandering scholars who were peddling Germanic folk-lore and who never accomplished anything positive or practical, except to cultivate their own superabundant self-conceit. The new movement must guard itself against an influx of people whose only recommendation is their own statement that they have been fighting for these very same ideals during the last thirty or forty years.
>Nobody of common sense would appoint to a leading post in such a movement some Teutonic Methuselah who had been ineffectively preaching some idea for a period of forty years, until himself and his idea had entered the stage of senile decay.
>Furthermore, only a very small percentage of such people join a new movement with the intention of serving its end unselfishly and helping in the spread of its principles. In most cases they come because they think that, under the aegis of the new movement, it will be possible for them to promulgate their old ideas to the misfortune of their new listeners. Anyhow, nobody ever seems able to describe what exactly these ideas are.
>It is typical of such persons that they rant about ancient Teutonic heroes of the dim and distant ages, stone axes, battle spears and shields, whereas in reality they themselves are the woefullest poltroons imaginable. For those very same people who brandish Teutonic tin swords that have been fashioned carefully according to ancient models and wear padded bear-skins, with the horns of oxen mounted over their bearded faces, proclaim that all contemporary conflicts must be decided by the weapons of the mind alone. And thus they skedaddle when the first communist cudgel appears. Posterity will have little occasion to write a new epic on these heroic gladiators.
>I have seen too much of that kind of people not to feel a profound contempt for their miserable play-acting. To the masses of the nation they are just an object of ridicule; but the Jew finds it to his own interest to treat these folk-lore comedians with respect and to prefer them to real men who are fighting to establish a German State. And yet these comedians are extremely proud of themselves. Notwithstanding their complete fecklessness, which is an established fact, they pretend to know everything better than other people; so much so that they make themselves a veritable nuisance to all sincere and honest patriots, to whom not only the heroism of the past is worthy of honour but who also feel bound to leave examples of their own work for the inspiration of the coming generation.
>Often it is difficult to distinguish between the two classes. The impression which I often get, especially of those so-called religious reformers whose creed is grounded on ancient Germanic customs, is that they are the missionaries and protégés of those forces which do not wish to see a national revival taking place in Germany. All their activities tend to turn the attention of the people away from the necessity of fighting together in a common cause against the common enemy, namely the Jew. Moreover, that kind of preaching induces the people to use up their energies, not in fighting for the common cause, but in absurd and ruinous religious controversies within their own ranks.
>In his memoirs, Nazi architect Albert Speer quotes Hitler on his disdain for SS leader Heinrich Himmler's interest in pagan mysticism & his own support for Christian Charlemagne's butchering of heathen Saxons: "What nonsense! Here we have at last reached an age that has left all mysticism behind it, and now [Himmler] wants to start that all over again. We might just as well have stayed with the church. At least it had tradition. To think that I may some day be turned into an SS saint! Can you imagine it? I would turn over in my grave…"
What do you have to say in your defense, /asatru/?
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No.8423
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No.8424
Nothing new to me that's why (even though Hitler had some noble goals and was a smart man) I don't worship him like most of the /pol/ rejects on here.
They post video after video of "Mein Fuhrer" not knowing that he probably would've gassed their asses too for being a "pagan degenerate".
"B.b.b.but he liked Wagner" so? A lot of people liked Wagner he was a great composer doesn't mean everyone who listened to him became a pagan.
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No.8427
England, female.
"I often go on bitter nights
To Wodan’s oak in the quiet glade
With dark powers to weave a union -
The moonlight showing me the runic spell
And all who are full of impudence during the day
Are made small by the magic formula!
They draw shining steel - but instead of going into combat,
They solidify into stalagmites.
Thus the wrong ones separate from the genuine ones -
I reach into a nest of words
Then give to the good and fair
With my formula blessings and prosperity."
Adolf Hitler (1915)
>not realizing that Hitler only kept up the Christian image to appease the majority
>Not realizing that positive christianity was an attempt to remove Jewishness from Christianity to ease them back into paganism a little easier
>Not realizing that, in secret, Hitler was drawing power from Wodan
get out pleb
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No.8428
>>8427
Your Hitler cult is not Asatru it is based on edgy teenage /pol/ memes. But you were dumb enough to fall for it. Just because you write poems about a subject does not mean you are religiously involved with that subject. Hitler was a christian just because he was German and loved white Germans does not make him pagan. He is not your pagan messiah. He was not an Asapope. He was a puppet for Jewry because that what all christians are anyone who worships a desert god is a puppet of Israel.
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No.8435
>>8422
Congratulations, you are the dumbest nigger to have ever typed a sentence.
Hitler is clearly talking about wiccans and wiccatru faggots.
We hate them as well.
>>8428
I'm sorry OP, this faggot beat you and is an even dumber nigger than you.
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No.8437
>>8435
Proof Hitler was a Pagan?
>INB4 He liked Wagner
>INB4 he wrote a poem
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No.8438
>>8435
He is obviously talking about Germanic neopagans, people like von List and all the others who started LARPing as pre-Christian warriors in Germany around the turn of the century. Wiccan wasn't relevant or even known in Germany of 1925, you clown.
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No.8444
>>8439
>Muh shades of gray
Fuck off. He was not heathen he mocked other heathens. Stop worshiping him. In fact because of him the Germanic Pagan revival was set back. He played right into the Jews' hands and now they have to power to silence any and all criticism by shouting "Muh Holocaust". Now they can turn the world against Germanic Paganism by saying "Muh 6 million".
Hitler essentially consolidated the Jews' power.
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No.8445
>>8437
Proof Hitler was christian?
>INB4 the catholics helped him
>INB4 he wrote a book that heavily edited by his christian party members
You really think Hitler would have been voted into power if he was openly shouting PRAISE WOTAN?
He knew that first the filthy and Jewish elements of christianity had to be removed, then replaced with paganism, and eventually the whole mess would be removed altogether.
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No.8446
Stumbled across this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
>Plans to destroy Christianity
>Bullock wrote that, "once the war was over, [Hitler] promised himself, he would root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches".[205] Phayer wrote that "By the latter part of the decade of the thirties church officials were well aware that the ultimate aim of Hitler and other Nazis was the total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion. Since the overwhelming majority of Germans were either Catholic or Protestant this goal had to be a long-term rather than a short-term Nazi objective."[206] According to Shirer, "under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler—backed by Hitler—the Nazi regime intended to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists".[207] Gill wrote that the Nazi plan was to "de-Christianise Germany after the final victory".[208] Dill states, "It seems no exaggeration to insist that the greatest challenge the Nazis had to face was their effort to eradicate Christianity in Germany or at least to subjugate it to their general world outlook." [209] According to Bendersky, it was Hitler's long range goal to eliminate the churches once he had consolidated control over his European empire"[210]
>In 1999 Julie Seltzer Mandel, while researching documents for the "Nuremberg Project", discovered 150 bound volumes collected by Gen. William Donovan as part of his work on documenting Nazi war crimes. Donovan was a senior member of the U.S. prosecution team and had compiled large amounts of evidence that Nazis persecuted Christian churches.[211] In a 108-page outline titled "The Nazi Master Plan" Office of Strategic Services investigators argued that the Nazi regime had a plan to reduce the influence of Christian churches through a campaign of systematic persecutions.[212][213] "Important leaders of the National Socialist party would have liked to meet this situation [of church influence] by complete extirpation of Christianity and the substitution of a purely racial religion," said the report. The most persuasive evidence came from "the systematic nature of the persecution itself."[214]
>In Hitler's scheme for the Germanization of Eastern Europe, there was to be no place for Christian churches. For the time being, he ordered slow progress on the 'Church Question'. 'But is clear', noted Goebells, himself among the most aggressive anti-church radicals, 'that after the war it has to be solved… There is, namely, an insoluble opposition between the Christian and a Germanic-heroic world-view".[215] Bullock wrote that "once the war was over, [Hitler] promised himself, he would root out and destroy the influence of the Christian churches, but until then he would be circumspect":[34] Writing for Yad Vashem, the historian Michael Phayer wrote that by the latter 1930s, church officials knew that the long term aim of Hitler was the "total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion".[216]
>In his memoirs, Hitler's chief architect Albert Speer recalled that when drafting his plans for Hitler's "new Berlin", when he told Hitler's private secretary Martin Bormann that he had consulted with Protestant and Catholic authorities over the locations for churches: "Bormann curtly informed me that churches were not to receive building sites.[217]
Also these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany
Now obviously, these being from Wikipedia makes me a tad skeptical. But has anyone already done the research to confirm or debunk these articles? If not, I'm going to have to get around to reading up on them when I have more time. ( The first article mentions the "Table Talk", whose validity has been up for debate, to my understanding.)
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No.8447
>>8445
And you know this how? Where is your fucking proof provide a fucking source otherwise you are a fool.
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No.8448
>>8447
other anon provided source right above you, fucking idiot
>>8446
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No.8463
>>8448
>Second hand sources from wikipedia
Kek
That anon even states it's validity is questionable.
>Now obviously, these being from Wikipedia makes me a tad skeptical. But has anyone already done the research to confirm or debunk these articles? If not, I'm going to have to get around to reading up on them when I have more time. ( The first article mentions the "Table Talk", whose validity has been up for debate, to my understanding.)
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No.8467
>>8438
>promulgate their old ideas to the misfortune of their new listeners
>decided by the weapons of the mind alone.
>in reality they themselves are the woefullest poltroons imaginable.
>All their activities tend to turn the attention of the people away from the necessity of fighting together in a common cause against the common enemy, namely the Jew.
>not in fighting for the common cause, but in absurd and ruinous religious controversies within their own ranks.
All of this describes the wiccan, neo-celtic pagans and wicatru LARPers to a dime.
>bu-bu- but they have a different name for themselves.
Same shit different age.
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No.8473
>>8467
Sounds like he hated the equivalent of /r/asatru, no shame in that
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No.8475
>>8467
Sounds like he hated the equivalent of /r/asatru, no shame in that
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No.8493
>>8422
>Hitler hated pagans
Disinformation. Just an addition on the pile of lies told about Him after the War.
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No.8513
>>8463
>kek
Go back to /b/, kid.
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No.8627
>christianity is anti-nazi
>Hitler hated atheists
>Hitler hated asatruars
For Fuck's sake man get it together!
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No.9753
Extremely late reply- but most of the quotes by Hitler that mentioned Christianity being the one true religion is from Mein Kampf. WAAAAYY after MK (around there end of WW2) Hitler's views have changed slowly. And I'm pretty sure I've seen a quote from him saying that Christianity is Bolshevism.
Here's a decent read:
https://outoftheruins.wordpress.com/2014/12/22/adolf-hitler-and-the-national-socialists-christian-extremists/
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No.9754
If you're going to reply to shitty bait threads this old then at least sage as you bite the hook.
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No.9780
>>8447
I know this is from 4 months ago but I highly doubt your opinions have changed much since then. Holy shit people like you piss me off, shut the fuck up, your christcuck bias is showing. The only reason you people will not shut up about how he was a christian is because you fucking want and need him to have been a christian, your fragile jew corrupted pseudospiritual world view literally cannot survive without him being.
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No.9781
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No.9806
All I see there is an attack on LARPers.
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No.9905
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>>8422
I once had a screen cap of a Himmler quote saying that Hitler was wrong on some things and how Paganism would make NatSoc even better, but I seem to have lost it.
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No.9906
>It is typical of such persons that they rant about ancient Teutonic heroes of the dim and distant ages, stone axes, battle spears and shields, whereas in reality they themselves are the woefullest poltroons imaginable. For those very same people who brandish Teutonic tin swords that have been fashioned carefully according to ancient models and wear padded bear-skins, with the horns of oxen mounted over their bearded faces, proclaim that all contemporary conflicts must be decided by the weapons of the mind alone. And thus they skedaddle when the first communist cudgel appears. Posterity will have little occasion to write a new epic on these heroic gladiators.
>I have seen too much of that kind of people not to feel a profound contempt for their miserable play-acting. To the masses of the nation they are just an object of ridicule; but the Jew finds it to his own interest to treat these folk-lore comedians with respect and to prefer them to real men who are fighting to establish a German State. And yet these comedians are extremely proud of themselves. Notwithstanding their complete fecklessness, which is an established fact, they pretend to know everything better than other people; so much so that they make themselves a veritable nuisance to all sincere and honest patriots, to whom not only the heroism of the past is worthy of honour but who also feel bound to leave examples of their own work for the inspiration of the coming generation.
>All their activities tend to turn the attention of the people away from the necessity of fighting together in a common cause against the common enemy, namely the Jew. Moreover, that kind of preaching induces the people to use up their energies, not in fighting for the common cause, but in absurd and ruinous religious controversies within their own ranks.
>"What nonsense! Here we have at last reached an age that has left all mysticism behind it, and now [Himmler] wants to start that all over again. We might just as well have stayed with the church. At least it had tradition. To think that I may some day be turned into an SS saint! Can you imagine it? I would turn over in my grave…"
Seems like he just hated LARPers and magic, not actual Paganism, though it may be he just didn't know any better. I still think he was a great leader (not necessarily militarily) and a good guy, but I have always liked Himmler more. Plus the use of so many old Runes, I doubt Hitler hated pagans.
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No.9925
>>9906
>>9906
No he didn't. The SS even had a special unit dedicated solely to researching witch hunts during the middle ages. They knew that the green pill was very folkish in nature indeed.
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No.9926
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Before christians and pagans here flip their shit over this, watch this video essay.
Hitler wasn't a christian either. He was more of a jeffersonian deist.
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No.9984
>>9925
"No he didn't hate LARPers and magic, or no he didn't like Pagans?
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No.10355
>>9991
>Goodrick-Clarke
Which book of his exactly? Also, others have come to the same conclusion. Like >>9926
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No.10370
>>9926
Great fucking video.
This thread was started as a troll buy some deus vaulter more than likely.
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No.10857
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No.10941
>>9926
Damn this is pretty good. I always thought Table Talks was falsified.
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No.10944
Hitler had nothing against romanticism leaning on pagan ideals, but he surely did not like LARPers and felt as a christian.
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No.12610
Hitler was an avatar of Wotan.
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No.13147
>>8422
>What do you have to say in your defense, /asatru/?
so…. he has no respect for spooky-wooky faux messiahs who accomplish nothing in their lives but telling stories? what does that have to do with "paganism"?
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