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don't be a faggot

File: a3c361e4c5c6b21⋯.jpg (2.84 MB,3842x2920,1921:1460,old car buying graph.jpg)

f42582 No.13316 [Open thread]

You may have seen the old one floating around. It's pretty wrong in many places and is missing a lot of good cars. This thread is for making a new one with input from everyone.

Pic related is the old one. I'd like to use similar categories for describing each car, but have a full set of options for each category from each continent. There might be too many to fit in one graph with that setup, so maybe we could do a separate graph for each continent.

A better template could also be had. Maybe I'll get that done in the next couple weeks. I don't know about much else. For now lets just discuss what cars to put into each category (I would like to modify those slightly as well).

Suggested categories (three from each continent, if possible; in no particular order):

compact econoboxes (example: honda civic)

mid-size econoboxes (example: toyota camry)

hot hatches (example: ford focus svt)

sport coupes (example: honda prelude)

station wagons/estates (example: volvo v70)

compact/mid size luxury sedan (example: lexus ES)

full size luxury sedan (example: lexus LS)

poorfag (example: toyota echo)

japanese trucks (because the only big ones they made are too new. example: nissan hardbody)

american trucks (example: F-150)

crossovers (example: honda crv)

mid-size+ SUVs (example: toyota 4runner)

mini vans (example: toyota sienna)

full-size vans (example: ford econoline)

deceptively cheap nightmares (example: bmw e46)

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4e4945 No.13352

>>13330

the 2,5RS is very rare. I've seen 2 of them.

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fcac41 No.13355

File: 3723e1df97c2449⋯.jpg (84.12 KB,800x600,4:3,1977 Mazda B Series B1800 ….jpg)

File: 390df592ef5b232⋯.jpg (219.92 KB,2284x1489,2284:1489,_mazda-b-series-3.jpg)

>>13335

>Every Ranger sold outside USDM was a rebadged B-series (actually designed by Mazda, Toyota tier reliable), but every B-series here (going all the way back to the 60s) was a rebadged Ranger.

This I never knew, though it does seem that up until the mid 80s the Mazda was an actual Mazda, as I don't recall the Ranger ever looking like pix related.

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d1b770 No.13575

>>13316

i was supposed to buy a cheap accord but everyone i know keeps saying no to a 1998 model because they say the gas consumption is very high compared to a civic

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d1b770 No.13579

>>13316

i was supposed to buy a cheap accord but everyone i know keeps saying no to a 1998 model because they say the gas consumption is very high compared to a civic

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33d309 No.13583

>>13579

Well if you drive a car A the same way as you drive car B, they are very damn likely to have the same gas consumption. Also Civic is supposed to be a econobox student hatch, unlike the Accord.

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4cfaeb No.8642 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

>Be 2015

>Be Toyota

>Kill Scion due to paternal evolutionary convergence and shift in youth culture

>Researches new approach to win over today's youth with updated and assimilated flagship car.

>"Hmm"

>"What are these may-mays the kids speak of?"

1 month later

>"So which meme should we facelift OUR, totally NOT Subaru's GT86

to resemble???"

>???

>"I got it!"

Fast forward to March 2016

> "HEY YOUNG SPORTS ENTHUSIASTS"

>"HEARD YOU LIEK MUDKIPS"

Reception at New York Auto Show

FRS Fans: ==JUST==

Toyota: That's the spirit :^) . We'll base the 2nd gen 86 off that one XD.

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5ce7d3 No.13576

>>13574

Fuck man this thing keeps calling me. I might next drive one in 8 months when I'm closer to thinking about buying a car. Not sure I want to buy new. I'm not made of money.

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db812e No.13577

>>13574

Also, front plates are a provincial thing, Quebec has no front plates, but Ontario does for example.

Of course few are the people who are actually made out of money, I wouldn't have been opposed to a used one, but the list of improvements to the '17 is quite large, so while I was ruminating the decision over last winter, I was piling some money, and by the time I was ordering the car, I was pretty much knocking 11.5k out of it along with some trade in shenanigans, which in the end makes it not utterly expensive.

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5ce7d3 No.13578

>>13577

Plates are state by states. Most states down south care about freedom more and let you not dill holes in your car. It's not the case where I am since my state is communist. I said I'd just not put the plate on, but I'm told I'll get pulled over daily for it. It's fucking stupid. You spend 26k+ on a car and ruin the front with an ugly tin plate and before a few years ago they would drill fucking holes in the bumper. I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

I plan on saving like crazy. I have loans to pay off, but I can manage that and get a car. It's why I'm going to wait till next summer. By then I should know what I want…I hope. Its fun, till now I didn't have a real job so I could never think about getting a car.

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db812e No.13580

>>13578

Can't it just be zip tied in the grille? It's not like a rear plate that has lights and shit, as long as it's securely fastened and not obscured shouldn't that get a pass?

I went and got my front plate rack, as we still get them, but they're in a little bag in the trunk, and it's a monstrosity, like, as wide as an euro plate and seems to mount in the fucking PAINTED PART of the bumper with HUGE half-inch wide well-nuts.

If I had to have one, I'd definitely go with an aftermarket solution that mounts in the tow hook threads.

Like http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/grimmspeed-plate-relocation-199.html#.WVw-YHXythE

But if you're buying used the damage will already be done.

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5ce7d3 No.13581

>>13580

I see that one a lot on those cars. Some get unlucky and they drill holes on that plastic part of the BRZ. I see very few FRS and 86 around here for some reason so I can't say for sure

I could zip tie it on. We just have a very ugly plate that stands out like crazy

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44b063 No.11803 [Open thread]

Post garages. All types welcome, from the humble one-car to 10,000 sq ft industrial warehouses.

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44b063 No.11837

File: 6c3461fca242bfb⋯.jpg (96.29 KB,920x578,460:289,dream-car-garages-02_27_13….jpg)

File: f35488be782424d⋯.jpg (53.12 KB,799x535,799:535,MotorplexAlex21.jpg)

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Posting what I have

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44b063 No.11838

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44b063 No.11839

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44b063 No.11841

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6e4ae4 No.13415

File: 46ee396ea9c4017⋯.jpg (76.88 KB,855x575,171:115,54d122b2c8140_-_garage-01-….jpg)

File: adc4942f6742062⋯.jpg (46.04 KB,600x396,50:33,jacks_12_gauge_garage_eatg….jpg)

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a74abb No.13264 [Open thread]

An/o/ns, show me your keychains. Can anyone tell me where I can get pic related?

>inb4 newfag

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cc5ecb No.13387

I stopped coming by because I had no opinions on anything other than pure utility vehicles, and my car, until recently, was giving me no trouble. Waiting for the weather to warm up before I rip the dashboard apart to have the instrument cluster repaired, as I don't have a garage.

You can sometimes find WAT shit on eBay. I just have a Chinese remake of a nineties Ford badge on my keychain. Almost nobody sees my keys, and I seldom look at them, so fuck all of the lol-tier bullshit.

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8e11e7 No.13392

>>13386

I'm not Audi-anon. Maybe Australians just aren't allowed ;_;

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b20043 No.13393

File: 1999b0690dee449⋯.jpg (90.82 KB,830x468,415:234,aus in nutshell.jpg)

>>13392

Australian comes here too? Post your bike.

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8e11e7 No.13394

>>13393

No bike, only car. I'm >>13374.

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235247 No.13395

The post your car thread is that way >>13371

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f291b1 No.9033 [Open thread]

Who here doesn't have a car?

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f291b1 No.9322

>>9033

I have most of a car, does that count?

It has no brakes or headlights and over 600k miles on it.

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f291b1 No.9323

>>9322

Bicycle?

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f291b1 No.9325

File: 1464024621323.jpg (22.58 KB,306x296,153:148,1440541246712.jpg)

>>9323

>600k miles on a bicycle

lolwut

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5c848e No.13239

>>9322

>I have most of a car

What did he mean by this?

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df49f5 No.13241

>>13239

He said what he meant.

>no brakes or headlights and over 600k miles

So it is (was) falling apart/in pieces and barely, if at all running.

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File: 52895a609da5908⋯.webm (9.89 MB,720x406,360:203,PodRide.webm)

011406 No.13085 [Open thread]

>Cars have turned into deadly weapons. They have been easy to steal and then nothing has been able to stop their advance.

>In Nice, Berlin, Jerusalem, London and Stockholm, they have been used as effective murder machines terrorists who wanted to kill many people.

>If people in the future will be protected cars must simply removed from the collection sites and city centers. It is not reasonable for a big truck can be driven right into Stockholm’s popular walking street on a Friday afternoon just before Easter. Politicians have been good at protecting themselves, but now they must also ensure citizens’ needs for secure environments.

archive.is/6KF8r

Let me remind you that Sweden is usually "ten years ahead" of every other western nation, in terms of social policy. It's best to enjoy the ride, while you can. Personally, I hope none of you have the misfortune of living in Sweden.

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011406 No.13099

>>13098

Also, here is the full, translated text of the article which OP's link references:

>Cars have been turned into mortal weapons. They have been easy to steal and then nothing has been able to stop their progress.

>In Nice, Berlin, Jerusalem, London and Stockholm, they have been used as effective killers for terrorists who wanted to kill many people.

>In order to protect people in the future, cars simply have to be removed from assembly points and city cores. It is not fair that a large truck can be driven right onto Stockholm's most popular walking street on a Friday afternoon just before Easter. Politicians have been good at protecting themselves, but now they must also see the citizens' needs for safe environments.

Right on Västerlånggatan

>It has been fourteen years since a man drove right into Västerlånggatan in the Old Town. He killed a woman and injured another 18 people. There were several reasons to protect the medieval city center, but security in the narrow alleys should have been a heavy argument. It is actually remarkable that car traffic can still roll through the Old Town.

>Stockholm is an international city, a tourist city with 13.5 million guest nights last year. Of the four people killed on Drottninggatan were three visitors, a woman from Belgium, a woman from Uddevalla and a British man. Shopping street is a popular destination for our visitors and should of course be a safe environment. Many tourists continue the street down to the Old Town, but it is really only around Rosenbad and Parliament House. There is a stop for unwelcome cars that can also be folded down if any important transport has to be carried out. The technology is thus, but it's not for everyone.

The need for calm environments

>Most of the costs are available for taxi and taxi service. In addition, deliveries to shops and restaurants can be controlled at times whenPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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011406 No.13105

File: 6ad701bdd8e1b53⋯.jpeg (207.22 KB,675x450,3:2,8777462_20111019123222328.jpeg)

But why won't they build more of these?

Look good, help drunk people, and stop even the mightiest of trucks.

I know old part of Riga has these all over the place. Or perhaps Stockholm just wants to get burned down again?

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011406 No.13106

>>13105

They ran out of iron cannons long ago, so nowadays you just get these shitty plastic bollards that can be shattered with a box cutter.

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011406 No.13121

>>13087

>Get bike

>Get gun

>Start at the highest point of the city

>Work your way downhill

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ce4393 No.13176

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>>13085

We joked about this on /pol/ and /k/.

This can´t be serious!

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7e7767 No.9130 [Open thread]

Who hype here?

Dubs decides how many years this show outlives Flop Gear by

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7e7767 No.12963

>>12958

How many episodes of GT did you watch? It felt quite a bit less scripted toward the second half of the season.

>new Top Gear

>good

Chris Harris and Sabine Schmitz are the only ones who actually belong on the show. Rory Reid is a token black guy, Chris Evans is a fucking cunt, and Matt LeBlanc is American - he in particular doesn't belong. It's no wonder viewership dropped.

American Top Gear didn't catch on, not necessarily because the content wasn't as good, but because it wasn't Hammond, May and Clarkson presenting it. Those three have chemistry and experience that no other team of presenters have, and it's the reason they are so much more successful.

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7e7767 No.12976

>>12958

>Genuinely expecting an unrefined, brand new show with a veteran cast to be better than an almost perfected formula with expendable crew

Grand Tour only just finished its first season. I don't know if you were watching the original show back when it first started but a fucking shitton changed between S1 and say, S5. Jason Dawe went, the focus on normal, everyday cars was gradually supplanted by performance vehicles, the skits and sequences became more comedic and the initially clean show as a whole began to push the boundaries in terms of controversy. Watch an episode of S1 TG sometime, you'll immediately notice the jarring difference in comparison to the majority of its run.

What BBC is doing is protecting its IP until it fades into obscurity, where it can sit on it until a successful revival is augmented. The critical ratings may have improved from S23, but you cannot engineer a bond between a group of people like the Old New TG did. They will keep changing cast, just like the 1977 series did. More people watched the show for the banter and stunts than the cars, and it definitely shows as the viewer ratings continue to fall down the tubes.

On a second, more controversial thought, I didn't think BBC's Robot Wars revival was that good either. The new series of Battlebots was a lot better IMHO. All the good robots fucking broke after lightly tapping the wall once, and the boring flippers which got the shit kicked out of them ending up winning.

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7e7767 No.13012

>>12976

I must live under a rock that I didn't know Robot Wars and BattleBots came back. I loved BattleBots when I was younger.

TG is dead and never coming back.I'd watch more TGT, I do hope they stop that celebrity bit, but I felt they beat it into the ground. I do think it's just them venting how much they hated doing it on TG though.

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7e7767 No.13013

>>13012

>I do think it's just them venting how much they hated doing it on TG though.

Interesting, I never thought about it this way. I always thought they wanted to do it but avoided it to not give more lawsuit ammo to the BBC. Your theory makes a little more sense.

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7e7767 No.13068

>>13012

I thought it was the BBC that wanted them to stop doing the celeb interviews during the show.

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207677 No.12614 [Open thread]

ITT: Discuss the not so new news that CIA niggers, FBI, et all can hack into your car and drive you into a pole at 60+MPH, start a fire, steer you into an oncoming truck, etc.

If you have a car with a fancy ECU, and electronic throttle body, GPS, blutooth, etc you are vulnerable. Basically, unless you drive an old shit box you can be remote controlled. My newer hyundai has electronic steering. As in, there's no mechanical steering column, it's like playing a not so fast racing game. Easily hackable.

It's likely none of us are important enough to be targeted but still. Grinds your gears doesn't it?

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207677 No.12783

>>12782

>Since the 60s, buggery of any and all electronics devices has been easier than can be.

source?

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207677 No.12784

>>12780

>>12782

>>12783

There is precedent for hardware being bugged without a manufacturer's knowledge (unfortunately I can't remember the specific example I'm thinking of), but that's only with devices that are connected to begin with - phones, computers, modern infotainment systems, etc. Not things that aren't connected - like basic head units, ECUs, etc. If you are that worried about your non-connected device being used to track you, Faraday cage it.

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207677 No.12792

>>12784

If anyone's that worried about being tracked. I'm not sure why they're posting on 8chan or even using the internet.

I really doubt a basic aftermarket CD player is going to track you. And if you own a cell phone they already have you,

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207677 No.12801

>>12792

Precisely. It's currently impossible to use modern technology and not be tracked in some way, and open source cell towers are never going to happen, so the only way to not be tracked is to essentially not participate in society at all. You have to fuck off into the woods and ditch all your tech.

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207677 No.12804

>>12792

>>12801

>meshnets

>7 proxies

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8bf273 No.12447 [Open thread]

I'm not putting this in the QTDTOTT because I'm hoping this is going to be a build thread.

Basically, my dad has a 1986 Toyota SR5 Pickup. The engine is shot, so he's thinking about doing a V8 swap.

I know everyone is going to say do a 2JZ swap, but his heart is set on doing a V8 swap.

We have both a Ford 289carbed and 302fuel injected sitting around. Both need to be rebuilt, but the 289 has a C4 attached to it.

I've always been a Fordfag, but I know it's going to be cheaper and easier to go with some variant of an LS or a SBC.

I'm pretty sure the 4x4 faggots out there already have done this swap, so that makes me think an LS1 or LS3 in an old 2wd Toyota should be that much easier.

This truck's work days are done, so throw reliability out the window. Obviously, we aren't going to do an LSX swap because cash.

Thoughts on what chevy is a good one to pull the engine from? Not too worried about wiring since Painless should be able to handle most of the hard parts. I'ts still going to be a bitch getting it wired in the truck.

I'm just going to be the grunt for my dad, since I do all his mechanic stuff. Give me a good reason to steer him in the direction of a 2JZ instead of an LS, and ill do it.

It's got a 5 speed manual BTW.

If this thread gets any interest, I'll post some pics.

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8bf273 No.12549

>>12540

Less throttle if you got a lot of torque. My pickup would get blown almost backwards in the wind and recovered course just as fast.

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8bf273 No.12554

>>12549

If you mean because the back end is so light due to it being a pickup, I think that would only work if you had a lot of speed. It also seems like it wouldn't end well if you kept off the throttle because a huge part of maintaining a drift is throttle modulation.

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8bf273 No.12560

>>12554

Nope. Why would you need a lot of speed? Are you used to vehicles which have siginificantly less torque than horsepower? I was going completely sideways as low as 10mph and that was with a 143hp engine.

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8bf273 No.12592

>>12560

>Why would you need a lot of speed?

Momentum.

>sideways as low as 10mph

Interesting. I've never actually drifted - this is all conjecture.

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8bf273 No.12740

Anyone have any idea what the cheapest LS based engine is? I'm thinking one of the 5.3 liter ones. Getting one of the LM4 i think that's what the code was all aluminum ones would be nice to save on weight, but 300hp in a sub 3000 lb truck is going to scoot regardless. Obviously this is a budget build, so no fucking way an LSA or LSX is going in this one.

Is there any feasible way to keep a manual trans in it? I know the stock Toyota trans is going to grenade as soon as it starts up, plus I really doubt anyone makes a bellhousing to adapt an LS to a Toyota 5 speed. I'm kinda thinking it's going to be easier to just put in a 4 speed auto that's not electronically controlled.

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c6e2bf No.12602 [Open thread]

spent 4 hours going to 7 dealerships today. whole lot of shady salespeople who either basically shooed me out the door when I told them my comfort zone was 6-8k and 10k the absolute max, or tried to bully me into their financing and spending more than I can afford when I told them I had financing and a loan through my bank.

Came through with a 2007 focus and a 2007 Ion as the only decent choices. I'm not a mechanic, and I'm not a car guy though I really want to be and hope to be in the future. fact is I need a reliable and inexpensive to own vehicle that gets decent mileage, is maneuverable, and not ultra-gay.

is there any legitimate reason not to go with either of these two? I already decided against a Saab 9-3 and a Mitsubishi Lancer because I realized I'm not going to magically become a mechanic overnight or even someone who has money to burn on their car. Sure one day I want a project car I can tinker with and be proud of, but right now I need a rock. Visiting some more places on the other side of the state where some family friends (who all work or have worked in the automotive industry including sales and repairs) live and they're gonna take me to some of the places they know but these two are likely to still be my top choices if everything else I've seen is any indication

The 69 442 Hurst will have to wait

Just background info, Not my first car and not a novice drive. almost ten years of experience on the road, I've owned a Delta 88, a Ranger, and a Cavalier. I can check fluids, change oil, air filters, tires, ect but thats about it.

Cars I decided against:

Honda S2000 - Way too expensive for what they are

Subaru Impreza/WRX -

Saab 9-3 - Liked the car but the dealer was shifty and I decided I didn't want to buy euro for reasons listed above

Mitsubishi Lancer GT - Wasn't at the lot when we got there and mechanic family friend's reply was "No" when I asked him about mitsubishi

Miata - local dealers don't have any in my price range

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c6e2bf No.12646

>>12640

>modern manual Toyota

Manual Corollas are relatively common.

>Nissan

I've heard bad things about 2000s Sentras. B13's are good though. Maximas aren't bad, if you can find a manual V6. I don't know about Altimas.

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c6e2bf No.12695

Update: went with the Saturn.just a hair over 6k with all the taxes and fees including new reg and plates. I'm not gonna deny that the disgust from car people at driving a saturn doesn't make me giggle.

>>12640

I looked at some altimas but they were expensive for what they were. Also looked at Civics but was having trouble finding one that wasn't overpriced and/or in less than solid condition. I was driving a 2016 camry for a rental for 3 weeks and absolutely hated it.

I really am happy with my purchase though. It rides and handles really really smooth, the mileage is great. Pickups a little slower than the cavalier but higher speeds are measurably less straining. I'm not concerned with modding or tuning so much as learning more about basic repairs and theres pretty much no aftermarket support for ions other than the redline edition anyway. Probably gonna strip a lot of the sound deadening at least in the trunk. set of hybrid tires maybe. Only "mod" I can think of is to hook up an mp3 player or something because I don't know where any of my CDs are

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c6e2bf No.12696

>>12695

So you asked us for no reason. Okay.

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c6e2bf No.12698

>>12695

>did what we said not to do

lol okay

>learning more about basic repairs

I have a feeling you're gonna learn pretty quick, either with your hands or with your wallet… I don't know how reliable that specific platform is but I know the Cavalier before it was pretty shitty, and cars generally don't improve very quickly from generation to generation - especially Americans. I would have done what I suggested (obviously) but whatever, you do you.

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c6e2bf No.12703

>>12698

I guess it's one way to learn how to work on a car. Buy one that will break and need work. Then you're forced to learn. That or just bring it to someone to fix and learn the repair is more than the car is worth.

Any jap car would have been a better pick even a fucking Yaris or Fit.

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23a066 No.12469 [Open thread]

Can someone explain the shift in car manufacturing from the more geometric and metal design to the more curved and plastic design? The material is probably just a cost thing, but most cars now-a-days pretty much all look like shit and look the same. I'm interested in how and why this shift occurred. I might be biased but newer cars look uninspired and samey.

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23a066 No.12654

File: 0ead2ef90591ace⋯.jpg (49.01 KB,922x520,461:260,2018 Camry Freedom edition.jpg)

File: ff53082f8682705⋯.jpg (118.49 KB,1000x570,100:57,toyota_mark_ii.jpg)

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>>12617

Nah, the Prius would die off and Toyota would stuff a very de-tuned V8 from their NASCAR program into a Camry or Avalon or a new Mark II or Crown

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23a066 No.12655

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>>12654

>NASCAR V8

>not 3JZ

>Mark II

>mfw they will never make a Mark III with a 3JZ

>mfw even if they made it they wouldn't send it here

>mfw even if they did send it here it would come as an overly edgy Lexus

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23a066 No.12659

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The Mark II is more a trim name then an actual model designation. Though you're probally right about them not sharing like all the good land barges they didn't bring over for some fucking reason. Though it should be noted that Toyota and BMW did partner to make the Not-Supra so a new Toyota inline seems fucking inevitable. You don't partner with BMW and not do an inline 6 for a car famous for it's inline 6, especially after the FR-S had a boxer which is a lot more work then an Inline.

Though hopefully Lexus does unfuck it's design phylosiphy. They somehow made a car that looks worse in person, which isn't how that works normally. And it's not even the large grill is a bad idea, it's just everything is incongrous and looks like the clay sculpt melt.

Early Lexus's were perhaps bland, but bland is better then awful.

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23a066 No.12674

>>12659

Lexus cars are just ugly. They look like plastic niggermobiles

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23a066 No.12683

>>12659

>straight-six FT1 is inevitable

I want to agree but I wouldn't put it past them to fuck it up somehow, considering the boxer in the 86. We'll just have to see.

>Lexus ugly

I like the earlier ones. I don't know who infiltrated the design team in the late 2000s but they have completely fucked almost everything.

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e10206 No.12449 [Open thread]

What was your first car, /o/? And what do you think a good one would be?

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e10206 No.12499

>>12489

There are roughly 10% sedans on the Euro market sold each year. If you really enjoy cars, you won't get the sedan but the convertible/coupe or the collectible in Europe. Sedans are seen as company cars or daddies cars round here.

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e10206 No.12500

>>12499

Umm, i would like some source for that claim. Though yeah, currectly sedan market is not like it was before the SUV craze began.

Very popular dad car to buy after giving the hatchback away to kid is Audi A6 or better. At least where i live. V6 engine, good looks, durable, and you can tell the wife it can still fit everyone inside.

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e10206 No.12501

>>12500

I'll find you a source when I get home

Here, to buy an A6 with the V6 means you're really wealthy. People at the bottom line never get over hatchbacks (or Dacia) or used rides. A 60k€ ride isn't for everyone if you take into account the insurance that goes with it.

Take it from me, my father had sedans since he worked as an architect, but he could never afford better than an Audi Q5.

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e10206 No.12505

>>12500

>>12501

http://www.jato.com/usa/suv-takes-over-as-the-best-selling-segment-in-europe-for-the-first-time/

here you go, mate. I wasn't far from the truth, here they say approximately 12% to sedans, including mid size, large size and luxury sedans.

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e10206 No.12506

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>>12500

>>12501

>>12505

Triple posting for the sake of it

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5c739c No.12296 [Open thread]

German Cars>Italian Cars>Japanese Cars>American Cars

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5c739c No.12456

>>12296

russian cars are top tier if you count cold-war era military vehicles.

these last forever.

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5c739c No.12464

>>12451

>German cars cost more to own than Italians

>Japanese cars cost more to own than American cars

Both of those statements are correct.

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5c739c No.12465

>>12464

How so? Italians (Alfa, Maserati, Ferrari, Fiat) are more expensive to begin with and are more expensive to maintain than Germans because they are about as reliable as actual horses. Japanese are a little more expensive to buy than Americans but hardly ever break down and are cheap as fuck to fix when they do. Americans are cheap to buy and cheap to fix but they break down more often.

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5c739c No.12486

>>12465

Ferrari Maserati and Alfa-Romeo are indeed costlier to buy but cost way less to maintain as they are not engineered to fall apart one day after the warranty expires like BMW, Porsche and Audi. Furthermore, Italian cars hold their value dramatically better than German ones. So the TCO is, as a rule, lower.

And Fiats are actually slightly cheaper to buy than VW while being more reliable and being cheaper to fix.

German cars are among the lowest quality available. Mercedes is the only German car manufacturer ranking above average, everyone else is at the tail of the curve. Look up the stats, it's common knowledge.

Japanese cars were solid in the 1990s and earlier 2000s, these days they are not putting out anything worth their premium. And American cars tend to hold their value better. Jeeps and Ford pickup trucks are the best in this regard.

Ford and Chrysler are just as good as Toyota and Honda while holding their value better and being cheaper to buy and fix. GM is another story.

If you want to minimize TCO in America, buy American. In Europe choose Fiat. In Asia, choose Japanese. The Japanese are pretty competitive worldwide though.

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5c739c No.12488

>>12486

>Fiat as a good Euro choice

How about no. Get a French ride or a japanese but hell no don't touch these shitboxes. Even Hyundai is better.

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7c87d1 No.12262 [Open thread]

>we asked Mazda: Why aren’t small displacement engines still a thing? The answer was simple.

>“Making a piston costs about the same amount, whether it’s a big piston or a little one,” explained Mazda engineer Dave Coleman. “Boring a cylinder costs about the same whether it’s big or small. Casting and machining two three-cylinder heads costs almost twice as much as one four-cylinder head. Making four variable cam timing actuators costs exactly twice as much as making two. Six injectors costs 50 percent more than four.”

>When you’re developing a car to a price, that overall price and profit is directly related to the amount it costs to build said car. Why build a V6 if you can engineer a four-cylinder engine with the same displacement and similar output at a lesser overall cost?

>And to drive the point home even further, there’s not much practical point in building a V6, as they “take up more space than four-cylinders, making a bigger, heavier car,” continued Coleman.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/03/ask-editor-happened-small-displacement-v6s/

Seems four bangers are the future, well and truly.

Pic kinda related, most powerful production four banger.

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7c87d1 No.12433

>>12422 (checked)

The drive mechanism on those things is pretty amazing, but they're the most sealed for life vehicles ever created and the manufacturer is completely unaccountable. Really, when a horse breaks you're better off shooting it and getting a new one.

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7c87d1 No.12435

>>12433

They also are limited in speed and upgrades. Their lifespan is limited by design to 20 years before failing, where you'll lose all investment to it. Clearly not the best vehicle available today.

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7c87d1 No.12438

>>12433

>>12435

But if you have 2 horses of different build levels (genders), you can get a third one for free.

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7c87d1 No.12481

>>12422

These engines where kind of weird.

Starting involved heating up the cylinder head untill it glows.

Then you had to pump fuel to the injector and set it for the correct spray pattern and injection.

Then you removed the steering wheel and conected it to the crankshaft

Then jou had to turn it manualy, I don´t know if it had a decompression system though.

Good thing was, these engine can run on any burnable liquid from Acetone to old motor oil.

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7c87d1 No.12482

>>12481

This is how it looks if you start it:https://youtu.be/BXEEbZS5zhM

(actual starting beginns at 1:00)

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d2736c No.12133 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Shit normalfags say ITT

>Send a pic of my Protege5 to a (former) friend

>"nice mom van, faggot"

>He literally can't tell a van apart from a hatchback

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d2736c No.12858

File: 0a62c730e53381d⋯.jpg (41.88 KB,700x462,50:33,240rs rally car.jpg)

File: d53b4aba2faccd9⋯.jpg (241.54 KB,1200x971,1200:971,240z rally car.jpg)

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>>12857

I found all of these on Google Images within about 30 seconds of a search for " [year/generation] [make] [model] rally car"

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d2736c No.12859

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>>12854

>poorfag who can't afford a car comes to /o/ to agendapost.

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d2736c No.12860

>>12854

Bitching out on what, you're the angry fag here.

I never said SW weren't good for traveling (I actually enjoy them a lot), I just said you had enough room in recent hatchbacks to travel. Yes you can fit more in SW. But I'm just not rich enough to afford one. Also why would I bother, I'm not a 4-luggage lady when I travel.

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d2736c No.12861

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>>12859

I thought we are allowed to have dreams here, right?

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d2736c No.12880

>>12855

>the same thing applies to small hatchbacks

Except it isn't exactly enough room for gear, unless you're just roughing it, or going alone, which again brings me to how lonely hatchbacks are meant to he designed.

>I wrote nothing to imply anything of the sort. It is true, though, that most early European small cars had only two doors, and that remains to this day

Which brings us exactly to the point about western society becoming one of loners, from the four-door folk's wagon, to the two-door import.

>they were not

Read: cultivated. Not created from. As the age of hatchbacks came into being, so did the race cars begin to take shape with the era.

>the whole time you've been talking about how cars and society have been getting more degenerate

Conservative, as in purposely low, for the sake of caution. When salaries don't pay up for the pump, you've got to start thinking about a smaller car, and a smaller family.

>if you are 25 with a wife and three kids, go camping on the weekends and do road trips every summer, it makes perfect sense to drive a station wagon

Exactly. You should be driving your loner from the start of your time on the road to the beginning of your family, which is earlier than you think. Inheritance basically ensures that your old car won't go unloved, since eventually one of your offspring will mature to use it, in your place. The hatchback of course being of no relation to the station wagon, at this point, which is what I had addressed, to begin with.

>you know how the original Beetle was the official do-it-all car of Nazi Germany

>you know how it only had two doors

>you know how a family put their three kids in the back and went on trips

Germany was a different kind of country, back then. Its heavily-ingrained and compact culture makes for entirely different needs, when concerning transportation. A world comprised of small towns, and industrial parks, with litPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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