/lit/ - Literature

I've stopped reading at the Wikipedia's synopsis of it. I'm binning it at "didn't read it, didn't like it."

When a novel starts me off by saying that global warming made everything shit I tend to bin it quick. I haven't been able to stand fiction talking about it, not after I read those Maximum Ride books.

>>14282

That's not only more trash than the movie is, it's also even more jewish.

I read the book when I was like 14 and I didn't like it much, but I didn't dislike it neither, yes, now I can look back and see how bad was it, but it's thought to be a book for 12-14 year olds to read whit out effort and easily enjoy it.

About the film, well, I liked it, yes, the script was garbage, but that wasn't the point the point was to make a lot of cool cga shit and come on it was cool.

It's in the niche of aged science fiction about the future that it isn't old enough to be historically interesting, but already is too outdated in its assumptions to have any relevance to this day. Might as well read it, as it's not long. And if you are into nounpunks, reading it could help you to stop being a faggot.

Well worth reading, as has been pointed out it's not exactly cutting edge and much of the description of the world has since fallen into genre rote and loses some of its punch. I disagree that its depiction of the future has zero relevance though. The focus with cyberpunk is typically aesthetic and while Gibson has plenty of that, most of Molly's character being a decent example, the book is more about systems of control and surveillance and how enormous and impenetrable these are when juxtaposed with individuals. I don't want to spoil anything but an essay won't convey these ideas as viscerally as the book, which indeed isn't very long.

Yeah, give it a try. Like that guy above said, it is mostly famous for aesthetics. If you like them, you'l like anything he wrote.

Even if Neuromancer makes you roll your eyes, you might like "Virtual Light" and the short stories in "Burning Chrome". I think by the time he wrote Virtual Light he was past his horny teenager phase but still had some talent left.

As for deconstruction…Gibson said that even though the book was set in the future, he based the society on the one in which he lived at the time (the Reagan years). You will notice that, in contrast to other dystopian worlds, the Sprawl is a corporate-ruled wasteland and not a government-ruled wasteland. It will resonate more with you if you grew up in the '80s.

>>14171

It is very difficult to follow the line of the plot, I think intentionally so. The disorientation felt by the reader gives an impression of the chaos of life in Gibson's 21st century.

>>14198

This, tbh. After he left Chiba I had no idea of wtf was happening.

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>>14238

Might as well read some bitches

>>14237

rolll

>>14237

alright let's give it a go

>>14247

Probably a good idea to establish first what kind of sci-fi story you're writing, starting with whether you're writing hard sci-fi or soft sci-fi.

Hard sci-fi = Pure autistic art, as you remain as close and detailed to reality or what may be realistic expectations for future developments in technology as possible.

Soft sci-fi = You're not too bothered about scientific accuracy and just want to see how people respond to something hypothetical, without regard to whether such a thing is possible.

If normal literary muses have not yielded you success thus far, I'd recommend reading the manual for Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. The autists who made that vidya actually include some of their notes on how they planned their sci-fi narrative, in addition to a reading list of various science-fiction books which inspired them to make Alpha Centauri, especially when it comes to trying to explain to your audience technologies which do not exist in a plausible manner.

Also with regards to my own personal preference, the only thing that really peeves me with sci-fi is when authors feel compelled to include psychics and wizards, throwing magic against material matter whilst everything else remains consistent. I don't mean Lovecraftian sci-fi, where the reality-fuckery is consistent with the established concept that the reality-fuckery is not breaking the laws of reality, but merely the main character observing an area of time and space with different laws of reality than that which they are accustomed to.

I mean stuff like Star Wars where space wizards run around flying like superman, just because. It's just distracting to me.

This question is awfully vague. What is this sci-fi that as a term should instantly describe your apparently non-existent work accurately enough for someone to provide useful advice on the specifics? Unless you only count the most autistic manuals of near-future speculative engineering, sci-fi quickly becomes a close to meaningless designation for some nebulous flavour of (possibly futuristic) fantasy, which nevertheless inspire obsessed nerds to fling shit on what variety of implausible plot devices are sciencey enough to count.

>>14141

>I warrant we have LOST more good fiction to scroll-rot and effective censorship by medieval taste than we have retained

I don't about that. The best stuff usually got copied over and over because of how popular it was and if writings like the Decameron or the popularity of Ovid in the middle ages are anything to go by, medieval people tolerated quite a bit.

>>14162

>The best works survive

No, they don't huge chunks of Livy's History was lost because there was no interest in it, and it is one of the greatest works on Roman history, perhaps the greatest had the entirety survived.

>>14163

That's not fiction though. >>14141 was talking about fictional works. From what's referenced contemporary writings, most of the significant works of fiction have survived.

>>14063

It's a good way to trick yourself into practicing, especially when starting out. Even a fat fuck is going to improve by walking around the block, and the nature of it is especially useful for getting younger people into writing. >>14141 is pretty much hitting the nail on the head with the 'real literature' remark.

The important thing is to point them towards the best ways to improve their craft, especially when they're still able to dedicate time towards it.

>>14165

>That's not fiction though

Even if that were true, my criticism still applies because we don't know if the best fiction did survive because it's not here anymore; we merely assume that the best works survived, but only one complete tragedy minus its satyr play does survive. A number of tragedies by the three great tragedians have not survived. Hell, Aristophanes consistently got second place, so where are the winning comedies? Sorry for the delay in replying, I got busy and forgot which thread this was being discussed in.

I meant Critique of Pure Reason

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>>13838

>2018

>using bing

Nobody is going to give you a gold star even if you fulfill the requirements of an imaginary reading list. Read what ever you like. You won't have the time to read all the books worth reading anyway.

>Is it worth reading non-famous books of famous authors?

Yes, if you happen to really enjoy that author's style, subject matter, thinking, whatever.

No, otherwise. You'll be bored and disappointed.

>I seriously cannot devote a lot of time to read everything a person has written.

This pretty much answers it.

Helpful suggestion. If you happen to have a favorite author who also writes essays about other authors, then you have a ready made guide for what to pick and choose.

In earlier days, when I was young, I could devote myself to a single author almost continuously. Now, I find I am easily bored—the choice is to jump around or cease reading altogether. That said, I may still get through a very high percentage of an author's total output over the course of several years, all the while jumping all around among other authors.

>>12780

Yeah, I'm looking for something similar, I suppose.

>>12780

Starship Troopers was supposed to be a book about patriotism from what I heard, but it got turned full natsoc when the movie came out and Heinlein would have hated it had he been alive to see it.

>>12779

Warhammer 40K novels, kind of.

>>12779

Reading The Turner Diaries right now. It's political fiction about when the Jew government comes for the guns of white people which sparks a race war. It's exactly what you're looking for, faggot.

Pretty much ever novel he has done, ever. There was more than one you know.

More specifically, might sound something like this:

"Since the end of the period of belief, leaders exalt every defect, every kind of sadism, and gain all the more through their vices: vanity, ambition, war, death in a word."

Céline's anti-semetic streak was crystal sharp, and well known now. Beyond all that he was an equal opportunity satirist. He might fly with the more flexible alt-right crew, but his omni-satirical bent makes him too much an ambiguous degenerate for proper /pol/-tier quote mining; fair warning. I beg your pardon if that is not the case here, although it is an understandable assumption given where we are.

Someone should scan-and-post his Paris Review interview. Stalingrad was The End, in case you did not know. I would have loved to sit down to dinner with him to discuss literary theory. Then move on to history, after a few dozen beers. All on my own tab, and it would have been worth every penny.

>>14121

>too much British slang

Do you mean actual slang or british word choices?

Are you saying they refer to trash cans as rubbish bins, or that the entire thing is written in scottish english?

>>14115

libgen.io, libgen.pw, b-ok.org and archive.org should have everything you're looking for, but I don't know if they have the exact translations you want.

>>14118

Are the Penguin translations any good?

>>14130

Word choices.

I read Fathers and Sons by them and every time one of Bazarov's lines came up he ended it with "Mate." I fucking cringed at the word everytime it came up especially when he used it more and more as the book went on, I never envisioned him as the type of Brit fuckboy to use terminology like that in Russia of all places I had to re read the line outloud and replace "Mate" with "Comrade." because it was a better alternative.

>>14131

I thought their translation of Thucydides' Peloponnesian War was good, although it referred to Hobbes' translation.

>>14133

That sounds terrible.

>>14154

It was

there are some platonic discourses on beauty, if I'm not mistaken

These might be helpful:

- Family and Civilization - Carle C. Zimmerman

- Manliness - Harvey C. Mansfield

- Sex and Deviance - Guillaume Faye

- Sex Scandal: The Drive to Abolish Male and Female - Ashley McGuire

- Goddesses: Mysteries of the Feminine Divine - Joseph Campbell

- Domestic Tranquility: A Brief Against Feminism - F. Carolyn Graglia

- The Privileged Sex - Martin van Creveld

- The Privilege of Being a Woman - Alice von Hildebrand

- Aspects of the Masculine - Carl Jung

- Aspects of the Feminine - Carl Jung

- Sex Differences: A Land of Confusion - Zachary Elliott

- Taking Sex Differences Seriously - Dr. Steven E. Rhoads

- Women vs. Feminism: Why We All Need Liberating from the Gender Wars - Joanna Williams

- Sexual Utopia in Power: The Feminist Revolt Against Civilization - F. Roger Devlin

- Eros and the Mysteries of Love: The Metaphysics of Sex - Julius Evola

- The Subversive Family: An Alternative History of Love and Marriage - Ferdinand Mount

- The Flipside of Feminism: What Conservative Women Know - and Men Can’t Say - Suzanne Venker

- What to Expect When No One’s Expecting: America’s Coming Demographic Disaster - Jonathan V. Last

>>13540

now this is what I call edgy

btw The Kreutzer Sonata by Tolstoy????

>>14146

*which one