/lit/ - Literature

>>16625

>lit bunker

wat?

>>16626

Look at the top of the page where it says board bunker lmfao.

>Are there plans to give this bunker exposure?

>>16625

>>16626

>>16629

Greetings and happy holidays!

There is only the .onion for now. I have no plans to give the bunker exposure, outside of the link here (and on the fan-fic site? Whoot! Thank you.), but feel free to make use of it. I'll make a note in the bunker it's for fan-fic as well. I've been dithering around with the idea of nabbing a cheap .xyz domain to do this properly and in complete. However, nota bene, I have no intentions to either compete with 8kun, nor steal traffic, nor relocate the board. There are three ideas behind the bunker:

1. I've been meaning to familiarize myself with the Lynxchan application blob. Nothing like learning by doing.

2. I've been meaning to try running an .onion service.

3. More importantly, duing the 8chan downtime, I tried to float the idea of a bunker for 8chan /lit/ across several worthy sites. I was severely rebuffed with much hostility. This caught me by surprise. Perhaps it should not have. I promised myself this would be the first thing I would fix if 8chan ever came back.

I've been meaning to do a write up of my impressions on the whole downtime saga, along with Fred's crusade. It might be better to let that all die and move on. We'll see.

>>16630

>I've been meaning to do a write up of my impressions on the whole downtime saga, along with Fred's crusade. It might be better to let that all die and move on. We'll see.

Are you still working on that? Would you like that published in /v/'s zine?

Start with the ancient Paleo cave societies you tard. The Egyptian were just regurgitating things from the previous 8,000 years.

t. Paleontologist.

>>16609

Why not start with the Sumerians?

>>16609

>>16615

>was pretty different from the Greek way of thinking. Egypt always sort of trended toward a sort of quasi-monotheism. Obviously there's the well-known example of the Aten controversy, but even before that it was common for Egyptian thinkers to claim that all of the important gods were just aspects of Ra,

this is really really bad and outdated education from some hippie faggot whos probably being used as a puppet with this kind of shit intellect

>>16618

no writing

fucking nigger

>>14824

I almost never liked reading books in school. It wasn't till 12th grade when I was allowed to pick whatever I wanted to read did I start to really enjoy it. I've liked reading since then even if I don't really read all the time.

>>14818

Yes.

>I knew I wanted to be a writer, had begun to read with an eye toward how a book or story was built, and if this was what it took, this overriding sense of consciousness, then I would never be smart enough.

This guy is a special kind of idiot. Reading literature doesn't make one smart, nor does writing a story. Often times, writer don't have real experience in the fields or professions they are portraying in their stories.

It takes creativity and imagination. Anyone who has a story can put it in whatever medium they see fit whether it's comics, video games, or animation. However, not everyone has illustrative or programming talent to make those, which makes literature the medium taught in school as language is a skill available to most to express themselves. Additionally, it doesn't take a gorillion dollar budget or a team of underpaid third world animators to make a good book like it does for video games, film, and animation.

Every medium has its constraints, what's left ambiguous and left to reader interpretation, including said high school teacher when discussing Lord of the Flies. Just like how my literature teacher couldn't stop seeing every book through feminist lenses and going like "SEE THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT PARALLELS OUR SOCIETY".

Who in the fuck cares about the symbolism, rhythm, metaphor, and prose in your hypothetical book when you didn't even get a basic Dragonball Z-tier plot going, Or who cares about your realistic military aircraft fighter novel when you spent the first 20 pages going on about your military tomboy waifu.

>>14285

A new issue was dropped the other day.

sam hyde and his paid shills would rather make shill threads in random boards than make new content, really makes you think

>>13882

it looks too hippie-ish by its cover art. Siege is blackpilled af and isn't a joke.

>>15750

Siege is like those weird black shits you get from pepto-bismol

>>15721

They also have print copies which are pretty cool

I remember reading an article - I can't find it now - that said the authority of the classical literary canon was a byproduct of the authority of Christianity. People who found no compelling reason to believe in Christian dogma also found no compelling reason to read a certain list of great books representing the best that had been thought and said.

I think there is truth in this. The early Christian thinkers - Augustine. Boethius, etc. - had a deep love of the Greco-Roman classics and this carried over into the Middle Ages and Renaissance. The conservative Christian writer Rod Dreher has his children enrolled in a "classical Christian" school, whose curriculum is based on Christian teaching and the Great Books. The Western canon is not exclusively Christian, but you could say it is dialogue with Christianity.

Mass literacy itself is a byproduct of Protestant Christianity. The original reason for wanting everyone to be able to read was so that everyone could read the Bible for themselves. Then literacy - in the sense of knowledge of the three Rs - became necessary for the functioning of an industrial society. But maybe a literate working class is no longer thought to be needed.

I remember William Gibson, lecturing in Rochester in the 1980's, saying in his languid Virginia drawl that in the future, literacy would become a specialty, like coding - not a skill that everybody had or needed to have.

>>16649

I agree with some of what you say here. Rubenstein's _Aristotle's_Children_ describes a similar relationship between the Church and the Greek and Roman classics. My relatively benign current view of religion went the other way: from the classics to a guarded sympathy with the Church.

Right now I'm reading Shlomo Sands' _Invention_of_the_Jewish_People_, and even the first few pages of front matter in Sands are mind-blowing. His compelling thesis is that there has NOT been an unbroken Jewish culture, let alone a constant Jewish biological "race" with common DNA running from the days of the Biblical account of Abraham and Moses and David and all the rest (most of which never happened anyway) right up to the inhabitants of today's Tel Aviv. If anything, some Arab Israeli dude walking around today in Hebron is probably closer, genetically, to King David than is Benjamin Netanyahu. For centuries, Judaism, before it got crushed by Christianity and Islam, was a proselytizing religion, and the once populous Jewish world of Eastern Europe was made up of descendants of the broken-up kingdom of the Khazars, Jewish converts.

But Sands points out in his first pages that "nationalism" and even "nations" in the modern sense don't really predate mass education and mass literacy. Back in medieval France, let's say, some dude in what is now Lyon didn't know he was "French." Sands' scholarly example: in the kingdom of the Maccabees, the rulers spoke Aramaic, the masses various Hebrew dialects, and the merchants in the cities did their business in the Greek koine – no "nation" there.

Sands draws on Benedict Anderson, who demonstrated that "nations" are imaginary constructs ("consensual hallucinations," to adapt Gibson's description of cyberspace). AND on Ernest Gellner, who argues that "nationalism," which presupposes literacy, creates "nations" – rather than the other way around.

These are fertile concepts. Sands' analysis makes a strong case that an American civil religion (Jefferson, Lincoln, MLK, & maybe even proto-Greenie Thoreau) could persist in a browner nation. It also providPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>16646

I'm somewhat in the same position as you, but probably slightly more strangling since I'm writing fanfiction that doesn't retcon a well-done tragic ending that is unpopular in the fandom.

>Publishers are a market where, like any other, advertising and money dominate in distribution and consumption. It doesn't matter if you are good, what matters is that you have a known name and money to put it in the bookstore's windows.

>"writers' social networks", that work the same way as other social networks, where fame and followers define who gets read and gets attention, regardless the quality

You're right in that it's not actually about quality, merit, or creativity as it is about popularity. The game in social media, and probably not at all different from the times before then was about joining and participating in a "community". For example, easily, fanfiction writers in a fandom: if you joined the "main" Discord, Livejournal circle, you get higher views and ratings than those who don't. It's easily observable that someone who's connected can get 500 views per 300 words despite poor editing or relative low amount of content.

The same goes for writing and book clubs in real life, or your college writing class. I don't think the case is all that different for times before social media, e.g if you ever had that "this <book/film/game/album> isn't all that great even though its popular" moment.

As an added note, I have literally read published fanfiction that had a print run that used "-sama" and Japanese honorifics in the text. It really read like complete cringe despite the praise it gets. The characters were also out-of-character, but the author was well known enough in the fandom to have gone that far.

>>16633

lol

>>16649

Interesting thought, Anon.

>>15612

THIS.

And unnecessary suffixes-in-general. "Orientate" to mean orient. "Pretentiousness" to mean pretense. Etc.

"Gift" used as an infinitive or present-tense verb.

I GAVE my nephew a shirt for Christmas, I didn't "gift" it. Fucking hell. I swear.

I hate intentionally misspelled words. I get it, it's intentional, but it's annoying to read.

>>15612

I used to say electronical and thought it was an actual word. Fishes really bothers me. I know it's a proper word and all. If a cow was called a cows would cowses be the right plural? Doesn't a contextually placed apostrophe suffice?

>>16664

Fishes refers to multiple types of fish, not to multiple fish. The parrotfish, the catfish, and the dogfish are fishes, but three goldfish are just fish.

I never see anybody talk about Louis Auchincloss, who I've been on a major binge of recently. Great stuff.

I'll eternally shill Peter Matthiessen, who isn't particularly obscure but who also doesn't often make it into "best of" or "must read" lists

>>15716

>Louis Auchincloss

Holy shit this dude wrote. Where do you even start with him?

>>15719

I think "Confessions of a Jacobite" and "Diary of a Yuppie" are both excellent and quick reads.

Christopher Isherwood (Prater Violet, and others).

I realize he was born British, but later became a US citizen.

same man

>>16587

Post your rewrite and part 2 of your intro.

>>16594

busy the next two weeks so don't hold your breath about it

>>16531

Not bad, but a bit wordy and you kind of made up a word or two (shoned?)

Here's my version:

The city was dark and dusty. A killer dressed in grey crept through its streets, stalking his target. A gunshot cracked in the distance and his focus narrowed on the task ahead. His heart beat louder and louder in his head with each step forward, edging closer to the climactic release of his trigger that pulsed in his right hand. Wretched, primitive street children scrambled across his path with their scrap metal toys clanging in the cold night, their faces black from the city air. The gang of half-naked youths took a few steps closer to the man with an inkling of an idea to beat him over the head and rifle through his pockets, but the six-shooter glinted in the yellow streetlight and the marauders scattered.

Gief feedback pls

>>16605

"A gunshot cracked. . . .his focus narrowed" I'm not sure what focus narrowing looks like to you. Show what you mean instead. It's also strange that he is holding his gun out; says a lot about the character's impulsiveness or narrow focus, or how dangerous and criminal the place is. You should demonstrate or hint more; the character of the person more, or imbue into the narrative a narrow focus and adrenaline as if the mental state of the character is infecting it. There's no consistent "voice", if I'm using that concept correctly.

>>16588

Continued …..

When I opened my eyes again there were sirens in the rear view mirror. The head of my vehicle was bent like a new transgendered woman: all inside out. There is an officer at my window, I pull the peachskin away from my flacid cock but as it slids up my shaft I remember briefly the corpse of Vanessa, and the peach skin flies towards the window from the force of my sudden errectness. A loud splatter latter and the officer's nose wrinkles in disgust.

"fuck it, let him burn"

"Nothing here is worth saving"

I closed my eyes again as the flames wrapped around me, and I wondered if this is what Vanessa felt like in her final moments.

I support this.

Actually there's a huge market for this… I really do support this. You'd make a shit ton of money if you wrote at least 10, 000 words then sold it online epub style for 10 - 99 cents or some shit.

A shit ton of money for a NEET, that is.

>>16591

>>16592

>>16593.

Thanks for the support dude, honestly I expected people to think I was trolling. While this is definitely fun to write, I also believe there is some deeper meaning I can tap into here. But it's gonna be a journey to tap into the right energy to treat it with respect while still being engaging to read you know? Again though, thanks bro for being able to see what I see. I felt alone in that a long while.

>>14053

Medieval Russia's Epics, Chronicles, and Tales is the only book that comes to my mind.

>>14053

There's not really anything like the Bible from that region, to my knowledge. The best you're going to get is things like folktales and epic poems. The Epic of King Gesar was a really big deal in that part of the world, but every country has their own version of the story.

>>14059

wrong mah nigga

>>14053

here we go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veda_Slovena

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Veles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nart_saga

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_Igor%27s_Campaign

if you're interested in indoeuropean religion/culture, i suggest you do some research on kalash-people, heinrich zimmer, rig veda, homer/hesiod (duh) … interesting was the moment after patroclos dies right the greek warriors cut off some hair of theirs to show their mourning, there was a similar thing in a byelorussian film about WW2 with the hair part compare it to the tenethos/hypnos story from greek mythology…. theres also an encyclopedia of indoeuropean culture if you search for it in the internet … encyclopedia iranica is somewhat nice too.. it depends if you re rather into primary or secondary sources m8

ps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysiaca I don't know if its helpful but still

The icelandic sagas seem's to be the largest source.

>>14053

Check out the Kolbrin

Look up Alexander Rabinowitch's trilogy. It's excellent and thorough.

>>16566

Thanks for the suggestion. I mean to post this in the Last Books Read thread but I haven't posted on an image board since 8chan died

Some countries extend copyright for 70 years after a creator's death, but some (prominent examples being Canada, and New Zealand) only extend it for 50 years.

Richmal Crompton died in 1969 and Thomas Henry, the illustrator for the vast majority of the books, died in 1962. So from January next year the Just William books will enter the public domain in the +50 year countries.

Canada has its own version of Project Gutenberg (Gutenberg.ca) and another site called Faded Page (fadedpage.com).

Volunteers on those sites are trying to digitize as much as possible because if the new trade deal goes through with the US, copyrights will probably be moved up to +70 years after death.

Faded Page seem scrupulous about getting the original texts and proofreading them thoroughly. If both the author and illustrator died more than 50 years ago they try to include the original illustrations as well.

Check out their early illustrated editions of some of Enid Blyton's work. Here is the first in the Malory Towers series.

https://www.fadedpage.com/showbook.php?pid=20190330