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Sister site: [Fan-fiction]

File: a0bef7278e5f02c⋯.jpg (86.47 KB,960x720,4:3,kobo-aura-one-78.jpg)

 No.14382 [Open thread]

Summer is here, can't read a shit on phone screen outside now, and paper books can't be pirated as nice as they are.

What does /lit/erati use? I'm thinking of getting a top of line Kobo reader, how is the screen glare on that? I owned e-ink reader years ago and back in the days it was pretty awful, how is it now on paperwhite/carta tech?

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 No.14495

whats a good e-reader for pdfs that isnt a tablet or phone?

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 No.14506

The best one around I've ever found is

Master PDF Editor.

I don't use it much for editing, but it's a brilliantly functional reader

macOS Linux Windows

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 No.14525

Kindle is great for manga

btw, where do you get your poor man's ebooks?

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 No.14530

I own a PocketBook Basic 3 now. It can't handle .pdf or .djvu (it's very good that it supports the latter) files with very well, because panning the view around the document seems to be impossible. It has no touchscreen, which is typical for any reader under 200$ as I hear. Typing can get awkward with the directional buttons. Other than that, I'm satisfied. The Send-to-PocketBook feature is very convenient; you have to register an e-mail address and then the reader will download any files you have sent to the device's e-mail when Wi-Fi connection is turned on.

>>14386

I'm not the anon you're replying to, but I feel that nothing feels off about it.

>>14483

Interesting

>>14488

Some do.

DENVER EBO-610L is one I can name. Denver makes lots of cheap crap electronics, however.

>>14525

Project Gutenberg

Library Genesis and IRC

Instant messaging groups

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 No.14539

I currently have a Kindle Paperwhite and it's the best thing I've bought in a while, I love the backlight and the e-ink shit.

That being said, you should really use calibre to manage a library of dubiously sourced files (ie /pdfs/, libgen), and make sure they're either pdf, mobi, or azw3, because the kindle doesn't accept epub without jailbreaking.

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 No.12210 [Open thread]

(I GOT BANNED FOR ASKING THIS ON 4CHAN, go figure)

I'm writing a book about two kids that want to shoot up their school, I have the characters and their internal struggle and issues like that planned out very well. The only thing that I am lacking is that I never touched a gun, and I've never been to a USA high school (where the story is based - I was pulled out of high school because of bullying, was homeschooled since 14).

I am making this thread to BRAINSTORM ideas because if I dare to talk about this with anyone else they'd call the cops on me.

Some things to discuss:

* How was your high school experience?

* Were you bulllied? What were some bullying experiences you have?

* Have you shot a gun? How's that like?

* How would you go about to shoot up your school?

* What are some rules that you think are necessary to have in order to have a successful school shooting?

Let's get brainstorming hoot hoot!!

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 No.14178

>>14176

I don't remember anything newsworthy to attach it to at the time this thread was created. Even so, it was probably simple trollery. It's still being bumped today as it is oh so very burgerland topical. Right or wrong as I may be on these assumptions, I still don't see why it can't be discussed in the context of writing. Good luck though, in trying to make any sense of it, or seeing any work produced from the discussion.

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 No.14207

>How was your high school experience?

Shit

>Were you bulllied? What were some bullying experiences you have?

Not in High School

>Have you shot a gun? How's that like?

Not yet

>How would you go about to shoot up your school?

I wouldn't, too cliché, school serial killer and arsonist is where it's at.

1. Find the most obnoxious couple in school

2. Follow them somewhere secluded

3. Incapacitate both of them

4. Tie them both down with intricate shibari taking special care to leave the girl no room to move

5. Make sure the boyfriend is awake to see what happens next

6. Carve the PlaySchool opening lyrics into the girls chest with a knife but with "open wide" replaced with "open bob" and "come inside" replaced with "cum inside"

7. Rape her till she climaxes (back and front)

8. Smear your shit in her mouth, vagina and on her boobs

9. Stuff fist shaped dildos encrusted with razors in both orifices

10. Set her body alight and roast marshmallows

11. Force feed these to the boyfriend

12. Chuck him in the ute and take somewhere he won't be looked for

13. Stuff one of the razorfists in his ass and leave him to die

14. Go to school and start a fire with intentions on maximum loss of life

15. Leave a cross, cryptic poem and burning incense at each scene for max mystery

16. Repeat 1 - 15 till caught

>What are some rules that you think are necessary to have in order to have a successful school shooting?

1. Choose good weapons

2. Wait for a moment of calm before shooting

3. Target the mentally disabled

4. Livestream the whole thing with a go pro

5. Self Immolate instead of shooting yoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.14208

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 No.14213

My High School experience was fine, I was quiet but nobody messed with me bc I was wrestling team cap(5th in the state boi). Would recommend taking out any big athletes first as a strategy, because they're the ones that might truck you and ruin your school shooting venture. My school was in a nice area so you could just throw something in your backpack and start blasting whenever. lol.

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 No.14538

>>12245

>>12288

>The Columbine Pilgrim.

Is there a PDF of this somewhere, anon?

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 No.13407 [Open thread]

What is the appeal? Every snippet of Jack Kerouac I read screams "boring person pretends he's deep and interesting" and Allen Ginsberg's "To the Angels" reads like a bad tumblr rant.

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 No.13458

File: 92b4080bd94b8c7⋯.jpg (30.29 KB,300x404,75:101,mukalla.jpg)

I consider Prokosch was very influential on the beat writers and I'm pleasantly surprised he's still being read. Storm and Echo is not one I recall reading and so cannot catch the meaning of you allusion, but will look forward to reading your review of it when you've finished.

Skies of Europe always seemed a bit of a wartime potboiler to me but agree the early Asiatics and the Seven were great adventure yarns though both somewhat inconclusive in their narrative. In the adventure vein I think I liked Mukalla best though overall I found Missolonghi probably his masterpiece.

Hard to believe his first editions are a couple of bucks at betterword …

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 No.13564

post-modernist bullshit. I usually avoid that stuff.

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 No.14507

File: abd435c04fc430a⋯.png (106.98 KB,300x457,300:457,prok.png)

>>13457

I never came across your Storm and Echo review in the what you have read thread …

yeah, I'm interested

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 No.14520

I hated 'on the road' and it's the only kerouac work i've ever read.

Years later someone recommended that i read the uncensored and unedited version and it's much much better. basically drug and gay references were omitted as well as changing names of real people.

it can get a bit hard to read because it's stream of consciousness a lot of the time but i read the whole thing. I couldn't get past the first chapter of the unedited version.

as far as the appeal of beat lit in general, no idea. It was just the 'hip' thing at the time.

if you look into it it's basically a small group of writers that went to school or lived in the same area at the time and got to writing all at once. for better or for worse it defined the writing style of the generation.

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 No.14523

The original post-war popular edgy hipster writer

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 No.14501 [Open thread]

Just one quick question, i want to read some science fiction. What is better?

Ender Saga or Hyperion Cantos?

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 No.14503

Hyperion is better. Don't even doubt it.

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 No.14504

Without knowing the intended audience it's impossible to guide. Hyperion is rated higher by the traditions of literary achievement, while Ender's Game is more clear and concise, remaining closer to the pew-pew forms of SciFi genera.

Do you prefer Gravity's Rainbow or Inherent Vice?

As for the series in question, I think both were stretched out beyond any reasonable justification for doing so. Ender's Game works more as a stand alone. Do you prefer The Lord of the Rings complete with all the endless tie ins and apocrypha, or a one-and-done story such as Grendel?

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 No.14391 [Open thread]

Would you consider World War Z's style of writing a genre? I say this because I want to write in a similar fashion, but I'm quite afraid to rip it off. My idea is much more satirical and humor based (dry humor, not "WoAAh isn't this ZAAny!!!!!!11?"). Any ideas, thoughts, opinions?

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 No.14474

Could work tbh

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 No.14485

Give it a try and post something here.

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 No.14486

>>14391

I don't think WWZ style is a genre. But it could work if you make the characters talking an interesting part of the plot.

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 No.14487

I've never read it, but wasn't it done in a documentary style? Or as people telling someone else stories, not at the reader but at a person in their world.

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 No.14377 [Open thread]

Anyone have reccomendations on books/resources that teach you how to write good fantasy and sci-fi?

I'm reading some general books on writing (Elements of Style [Strunk & White], On Writing [King], On Writing Well [Zinnser]) and they're interesting and useful, but I would like to improve my ability to write F/SF specifically.

Any advice would be great, thank you!

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 No.14475

>how to write good fantasy and sci-fi?

Stop with this meme. The only thing that will give you a good fantasy or sci-fi book is an imagination. If you don't have that, don't try. If you do, just started writing now and stop reading other people's crap

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 No.14484

>>14377

First, pick a genera. Which do you prefer?

“Are you happier eating a potato than a bowl of rice? I don’t know. It’s all the same. … Writing is writing." ~Gore Vidal

Or, may not. Anyway …

There's a school of thought advising one to keep reading. King is big on this. He is partly right insofar as seeing for yourself how it is done. Now, King most certainly can walk the walk, whatever faults you may find his writing to have. But, sit him down at the literary table and you will hear he can talk the talk as well. That is to say, he is well versed in literary theory, and much else beside needed to analyze what another writer is doing. This comes as a big surprise to people who dismiss him as just some trashy hack of horror.

The Elements of Fiction is a series you want to check out. The point of doing so is to familiarize yourself with a set of tools writers commonly use. You won't master anything by merely reading about fiction writing techniques. What you will do is sharpen your ability to analyze what "The Greats" are doing. You may even finally discover why your favorite author is so to you, and what you are really trying to emulate from him or her.

I don't have the Paris Review interview at my finger tips so I'll just paraphrase. John Gardner is on record for why he gave up teaching of creative writing. What he discovered was that his students showed a phenomenal improvement once shown the ropes, so to speak. He was shocked at how easy it was, so much so, he felt he needed to devote himself to his writing full time just to stay relevant. Of course, there are teachers, and then there are Teachers. Gardner was also a phenomenal teacher of creative writing by all accounts, one you are not likely to encounter today no matter how many classes you take. No matter.

Humble yourself and thumb through The Elements of Fiction.

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 No.12006 [Open thread]

Why are followers of Stirner often Communists while Nietzscheans are frequently Nationalists? The two have have rather similar philosophies, and they both show distain for Communism and Nationalism. Why the split?

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 No.14426

post PDFs of their best works ITT?

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 No.14432

>>14426

Are you stupid?

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 No.14434

>>12006

Nietzsche believed in Hyperborea.

Stirner only beliefs in himself.

Now who do you think would like whom?

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 No.14456

>>13812

Was just about to post that

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 No.14472

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 No.14431 [Open thread]

How do you gays and gayettes feel about Moby Dick?

Is it a boring slog or a fantastic piece of fiction?

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 No.14449

try reading it asshole

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 No.14453

None of your business.

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 No.14465

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 No.14490

If you think you might not enjoy it you probably wont.

The majority of the book reads as a documentation of whaling rather than a novel - if that sounds interesting (and you like a bit of florid prose) then you'll probably get along with it. Fucker used a ton of endnotes though, which is something a lot of American authors seem to do. Maybe he started the trend

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 No.14359 [Open thread]

Surprisingly the best epub reader.

>fast

>good formatting

>bookmarks

>highlight

>index

>tts

>text spacing options

What does /lit/ use?

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 No.14364

>>14362

Calibre is correct answer for all platforms.

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 No.14452

I second calibre… sumatra reader is nice as well

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 No.14454

Calibre is best (3x)

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 No.14455

Readium or Moon Reader on Android.

Question that's off-topic: Do you recommend me to read The Bell Jar if I'm a depressive type with a mood disorder? I want to change the book for The Brothers Karamazov in the library because I feel The Bell Jar will drive me to suicide or some shit.

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 No.14470

>>14455

>Do you recommend me to read The Bell Jar if I'm a depressive type with a mood disorder?

No, I recommend you eat a lot more meat, animal fats and cheese so you won't be moody cunt anymore.

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 No.14447 [Open thread]

Everyone on this board loves to read, as do I.

However, it is time consuming.

Is it possible to appreciate a book (usually a novel) without reading it in its entirety?

That being said, imo you can but it's like experiencing the Eiffel Tower. You can appreciate it in photos but it's never the same as visiting it for yourself.

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 No.14448

File: ee8e3d44c7a27fe⋯.jpg (151.03 KB,1080x988,270:247,18948090_1448327015246597_….jpg)

For novels, it may be possible if they are behemoths and extremely long, otherwise if you appreciated it you'd just finish it. I usually appreciate lots of handbooks, anthologies, histories and other similarly formatted books without reading them cover to cover.

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File: a605a55d82100ae⋯.png (812.61 KB,1027x598,79:46,children.png)

 No.14410 [Open thread]

I want to know what books you would recommend to an alien if you have read more than 3k books. I'm talking novels and fiction/philosophy literature. Not your run-of-the-mill coloring books or dr. seuss.

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 No.14418

Marx if alien is hostile so it gets completely wrong idea of humanity and hopefully self-destructs as the ideological cancer spreads to their colony.

Bible if alien is friendly and needs to understand humanity.

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 No.14419

>>14418

That is an unacceptable response.

I expect more from you, anon.

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 No.14420

everything by Christopher Moore and Neil Gaimen. Hitch Hikers Guide to The Galaxy all volumes. The Celestine Prophecy-all volumes. The the illuminatus trilogy…… hands down. robert willison.

This is step one if they are cool ill give reading list two

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 No.14421

great i stutter in text. woohoo whiskey let them anal probing bastards read that

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File: 1dbe7f1ac1ba152⋯.jpg (31.35 KB,400x533,400:533,1ade09fb35f4a527d8e39ce533….jpg)

 No.14363 [Open thread]

Where can I get some free pdfs? I'm trying to get a pdf of Jean Rhys' Wide Sargasso Sea for a project because I need to annotate. Where can I go to get free pdfs without sucking amazon's dick?

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 No.14365

rumor has it endchan /pdfs/

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 No.14373

Libgen has it

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 No.10722 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

I've been watching sex and the city with my GF, and besides of being awful, I've tracked some major tropes that, I think, are present in almost every piece of fiction written by and for women. I've seen it anywhere from the hunger games to like water for chocolate.

So… my question: How do you write for women? I want to write a book, maybe chick-lit tier, and see if I can dupe a publisher into thinking I'm a chick.

ITT enumerate the themes, tropes, treatments, tones and everything that a woman would do when writing for women. So far, I've found these general approximations:

1. The main conflict -almost always- is between structured security vs. chaotic security. More often than not this thing boils down to a romantic competition. Choosing between the player or the sweet responsible guy. Or some such variation of the same theme.

2. The relationship between the principal (female) character and secondary (female) characters is one of veiled competition. Women hate even their closest friends.

3. Dresses and hairdos and such stuff become important. A dress can become a plot point. Yes, even in serious literature.

4. Feeling are everything.

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 No.14172

your post is so pretentious, but good god I truly fucking hate women. My hatred for women was flared up so intesnely reading your post it distracted me from your gross pretension

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 No.14174

File: 5d457631a080da9⋯.jpg (18.18 KB,253x384,253:384,gone with the wind.jpg)

>1. The main conflict -almost always- is between structured security vs. chaotic security. More often than not this thing boils down to a romantic competition. Choosing between the player or the sweet responsible guy. Or some such variation of the same theme.

>2. The relationship between the principal (female) character and secondary (female) characters is one of veiled competition. Women hate even their closest friends.

>3. Dresses and hairdos and such stuff become important. A dress can become a plot point. Yes, even in serious literature.

>4. Feeling are everything.

Literally pic related. Scarlett is so much smarter and more fashionable than literally every other woman in the world and all men are stupid idiots and all want to bone Scarlett. The only man in the world who's good enough for Scarlett is a nice guy and he's madly in love with her but for some reason marries his obviously inferior cousin instead. So Scarlett marries some beta and sets out on a lifelong quest to ruin dozens of lives just to spite the guy she actually likes. She's a selfish cunt and a neglectful mother but that's actually a good thing because she's sticking it to the evil sexist society. She spends half the book eloping with some bad boy smuggler and eventually takes him as her third husband, but because she's still lusting after the nice guy and being a horrible person the bad boy starts to whither away and die on the inside until eventually he just fucks off and tells her she can fuck the nice guy if she wants because he's literally incapable of giving a fuck anymore. Of course at this point Scarlett realizes she actually loved the bad boy all along and begs him to love her again, but his life has already been ruined by her so he leaves her all alone to wallow in her cuntery. The book ends with Scarlett plotting to manipulate her way out of this situation, and most likely ruin dozens more lives in the process. But that's totally a good thing.

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 No.14192

>>10742

How does Orange is the New Black compare to OZ?

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 No.14253

>>14174

How much of that is the female version of the Warlord or Capitalist that is willing to destroy everyone and everything in order to get what they want, but having attained what they desired, merely seek out more of what they cannot have?

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 No.14327

>>12386

That could be a great troll novel idea. The entire book having never mentioned that she is a >she, with the final sex scene having a :"then he started sucking my dick". Could be funny.

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 No.14292 [Open thread]

Does anyone have that 1800's book about simply training your eye muscles so that you don't need glasses anymore?

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 No.14299

Bit vague, but suspect it's this one

https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL2608002A/W._H._Bates

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 No.14315

There's an interesting review of this exercise technique

https://www.bmj.com/content/1/4298/635.2/rr

which tells how Aldous Huxley had read Bates' book, used the exercises to great effect and wrote a look of his own on the topic - The Art of Seeing. You should be able to easily find both these books online for download or torrents

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 No.14319

>>14299

Yeah, that's it. I had seen it before and discarded it because it seemed dumb. I figured I'd take another look before just doing lasik.

>>14315

Thanks.

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 No.14325

Look up Jack Steiner on YouTube and go to his website endmyopia.com

Worked for me anon, best of luck to you.

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 No.14320 [Open thread]

Hi /lit/. I'd like to start writing a few short stories for fun but I've realised I know pretty much nothing about storytelling. Is there a book, a tutorial, a video, something that gives a brief overview of what every writer should know? Sort of like the literary equivalent of anatomy and perspective and colour theory for painters? Should I even worry about this or is it something you just learn by doing it?

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 No.14322

>>14320

Definitely learn by doing it. The easiest way to fuck up your own literary development is waste all your energy trying to conform to someone elses literary theories and formulas when you don't know what you're doing. It's much easier to figure out what you're doing wrong than tell you what to do, so the best thing to do is get going.

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 No.14323

Don't ruin your fun by starting with theory. Don't think yourself as an aspirant painter educating himself on perspective, or anatomy or colour theory, but as a child with a box crayons. It becomes much easier to learn from others after you have some understanding of turning ideas into stories from practice. And after some writing, reading almost anything becomes a useful learning experience.

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