Why Healers Don't Ask For Money 08/04/20 (Tue) 09:19:19 No. 136693
A youtuber going by the name "Royal Borne" commented this:
>C Programming, really insist this things to be free. If people would get something for nothing, we tend to abuse it. When people go to doctors, they spend thousands of $$$. $49 per month is not much at all and you would also learn how to do it (energy healing) for yourself. Doctors won't teach you. Peace!!
In response to a youtuber going by the name "C Programming":
>Why you are not talking about what is this technique and how to learn ? Why you want money from your website ?
This is my comment to Royal Borne:
That may be true in general but when you are clairvoyant you can look into the light around a person and get impressions about who they are, what their intentions and character are, and what motivates them. Based on that information you can decided to approach them, reject them, etc. You can also see what is the decree of god for a person (their fate) and know in such cases it can not changed and trying to change it is vanity and what is their karma (aka something they have reaped through cause and effect relations) and whether you are strong enough to process and heal it. If you are at a high enough stage of development also the universe will provide for you whatever you need without you going out of your way to demand it. You can know for example beforehand just looking at a person whether they will be appreciative, charitable, etc. or whether they will abuse you, take advantage of you, etc.
Listen I'm going to explain to you right now why spiritually advanced people don't ask for money. It is because at a certain stage of development you can compel susceptible people to do whatever you want for you through mental influence. If you want someone to give you money, or to have sex with you, etc. you can will these things to happen. That is why in spiritual lineages we must restrain our vices and embrace hardships of poverty and celibacy. Otherwise we can get carried away abusing our own power to do horrible things. The more advanced we are spiritually, the more and more we must renounce the world, or our passions will incur terrible consequences (bad karma) for us and stifle our spiritual development. God himself is impersonal, though he manifests himself in divine personalities so it is possible to have a personal relationship with God through his various earthly incarnations (that's the whole deal with Christ and the mystery of the trinity and a way to reconcile personal theism with panentheism btw).
Now can he be going around healing people and asking for money? Sure. He is however either a "black magician" aka one who is stagnating or harming his spiritual development willfully or a simple fool who has stumbled upon one of nature's gifts and learned to heal but has not unfolded much besides. I feel like "black magician" is very strong word to use here as there are those who do very great harm and here I think he is doing very little harm if any at all, however he is definitely stagnating, because to be closer to god one must become selfless and impersonal in their motives, yielding to the intellect and then to the spirit, as one progresses through the stages of development. The heart alone is blind, the desires of man are myriad, but for god there is only pure actuality or will; god has nothing to desire for all things are fulfilled in and by him.
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08/04/20 (Tue) 10:24:30 No. 136700
REAL healers don't ask for money because they don't exist. - Ok, that's rude.
REAL healers don't ask for money because they know the only person they truly need to heal is themselves.
I know some "healers" (Reiki masters, spirit healers, your standard "guided by Jesus and St. Germain" New Ager) and one argument that they bring is that it's an exchange - trading one good for another, or that they're only charging for the time spent like psychologists do. They're usually taught that there must be some type of exchange for the recipient to truly appreciate their session.
I would argue that not charging for so-called healing would be a revolutionary and saintly act simply for the sake of your reputation. You also wouldn't need to demand money because good people would feel indebted/inclined to donate.
In video games your give priests/healers money to get healed. White mages have to spend mana to cast their healing spells. Why is this ok? Because they're not "healers" but healers. Wounds closing in front of your eyes, limbs regenerating, that's not some spiritual task, but a physical, no different from "medicine". This translates into real life. You may regard this as a spiritual root problem still persisting while the physical body is offered relief, that's exactly how modern medicine is operating. We are soon capable of organ printing, it wouldn't count as "healing" nor would it count as "healing" when someone acquires such an ability.
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08/04/20 (Tue) 11:23:33 No. 136706
>>136700
>REAL healers don't ask for money because they don't exist. - Ok, that's rude.
I can see why people would think that but it's just not true. Thought influence is a reality and powerful thoughts can have powerful effects on susceptible targets.
>REAL healers don't ask for money because they know the only person they truly need to heal is themselves.
Yes. "We help ourselves, not the world" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESn0cyBNgQM&list=PL-E4gfe94rpmTwMxs6azr303ixzg0cPuA&index=6
Mind you sometimes we help ourselves by being of service to others. We must be unattached to the world and yet play a role in it. (see the previous chapter, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_TYdpzU14g&list=PL-E4gfe94rpmTwMxs6azr303ixzg0cPuA&index=4 )
The right perspective that one should take is that the world as a whole is already perfect and "can not be helped". The only one we need to help is our own self. When our virtue is refined, all good action and thought flows from that. He who is blind to his own defects and yet totally focused on changing up the world, will bring about the greatest harm to the world. Look at all the misguided charity and other attempts at making the world better; only to make it worse! It is those who have attained wu wei, who do not try at all, but whose conduct flows from an inward perfection that end up doing the most good despite themselves! We must serve the spirit.
>In video games your give priests/healers money to get healed. White mages have to spend mana to cast their healing spells. Why is this ok? Because they're not "healers" but healers. Wounds closing in front of your eyes, limbs regenerating, that's not some spiritual task, but a physical, no different from "medicine". This translates into real life. You may regard this as a spiritual root problem still persisting while the physical body is offered relief, that's exactly how modern medicine is operating. We are soon capable of organ printing, it wouldn't count as "healing" nor would it count as "healing" when someone acquires such an ability.
Organ printing could end up opening the way for some serious redpilling when the new organs keep getting inflicted with karmic diseases and it doesn't stop until the karma is dealt with.
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08/04/20 (Tue) 11:25:05 No. 136707
>>136700
>In video games your give priests/healers money to get healed.
Not in any game I've ever played. Usually healers just play a supporting role and do it for the sake of the group objectives and not for any compensation of currency. I can think of a good handful of games and not a single one involves paying the healers for their work.
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08/04/20 (Tue) 11:30:24 No. 136709
>>136700
Medicine is spiritual though. Medicines do or do not work depending on a spiritual aspect to them. The work of healing and of life in general always has a spiritual dimension to it all. Also there is no physicality ultimately, there is only mind, and things are only solid in so much as they are manifested on the same plane of activity otherwise they can pass through each other. The spiritual dimension of life is inseparable from the mundane. So making this arbitrary distinction is silly. A more useful distinction is whether healing is done by the means of thought-influence (psychic) or by the means of the "physical methods".
Btw the superiority of intuitive doctors (which are found everywhere in all times and places btw, not just the orient) is they can know exactly what cure is needed for a person. They can just read them and figure out what is needed.
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SAGE! 08/04/20 (Tue) 11:32:32 No. 136710
Imagine being so hurt and insecure that you need to sperg out on yt AND here, creating a whole brand new thread for this no less.
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08/04/20 (Tue) 11:33:50 No. 136712
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08/04/20 (Tue) 11:40:22 No. 136716
>>136710
My motive was to start a thread on the subject of vows of poverty and related subjects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nekkhamma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_counsels
There are a lot of metaphysical dimensions to the issue of charity, poverty, renunciation, etc. that are very cool to think about.
<imagine being the kind of person who likes to talk about people instead of ideas and tries to derail threads by making them personal
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08/04/20 (Tue) 11:42:48 No. 136717
>>136710
Imagine being so insecure you have to imagine making a thread just to politely call someone a nigger.
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08/04/20 (Tue) 11:43:52 No. 136718
>>136712
An anon (me) saw a post on youtube, wrote a response, and then thought to himself "man this would be a cool idea for a thread on /fringe/ I should make a thread on /fringe/ about this and see what people have to say on the subject".
All was going to plan and then this sperg with a rope shows up and makes the thread personal.
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08/05/20 (Wed) 01:03:52 No. 136757
If you want to charge money, do it.
If you don't want to charge money, don't.
If you want to make blanket judgements about others, go for it, but recognize that the judgement resides only in your thoughts, which are illusory.
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SAGE! 08/05/20 (Wed) 01:44:39 No. 136758
It's this sort of faggotry that makes people think everything is relative and therefore nothing is wrong, so being a cock munching goblin is okay.
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08/05/20 (Wed) 02:52:24 No. 136760
>>136757
Having to ask for money is a sign you don't have it in you to compel people to give you money.
It is a sign of weakness and of neediness.
If you don't ask people for money, you can also be just as weak and needy, of course.
The important thing is to reach that stage of development where you aren't weak and you don't need to ask for anything.
>If you want to make blanket judgements about others, go for it, but recognize that the judgement resides only in your thoughts, which are illusory.
Some of us can read people. Actually read them. See their strongest memories that made the biggest emotional impressions on them, see the quality of their emotions and their temperament, see what is currently on their mind, and see parts of their future and past. You're probably thinking of a mundane who uses only intellect and a very limited knowledge about someone to imagine some nonsense about a person instead of using intuition and clairvoyant perception to see what is really there.
This is literally a prerequisite to being a truly good healer. Yeah you can develop other faculties and abilities and just blindly heal but a truly great healer can actually look into a person and see exactly where the issues in their body are without having to ask them and to know exactly what will cure them without having to memorize a bunch of prescriptions and stuff the way doctors work these days.
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08/05/20 (Wed) 03:03:50 No. 136761
>>136760
I see that you do not respect Commerce.
Commerce is holy and should be respected. Commerce is based entirely on consent and it moves favour like blood. Engaging in Commerce is a good thing to do because it moves the blood of kings through you.
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08/05/20 (Wed) 03:34:13 No. 136764
>>136758
Everyone you know is an illusion you create with your thoughts and project outwards. Nothing more than that. Maybe the reason you feel surrounded by cunts has a lot to do with the way you act towards and think about others.
>>136760
Giving a shit what other people do is a sign of an occultist who doesn't realize everything here is a dream.
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08/05/20 (Wed) 03:59:16 No. 136765
>>136764
>Maybe the reason you feel surrounded by cunts
I don't.
>Everyone you know is an illusion you create with your thoughts and project outwards
I don't even see "people" when I look at my third eye, I only ever see objects or strings of reasonings. If you mean everyone meaning every person, I don't think in terms of personalities so this statement wouldn't apply to me.
Much like radical non-judgementalism, something very modern, your position is self-defeating in how it projects outlooks onto others. Non-judgementalism would even mean not complaining if someone else judges you, you have no right to judge them.
>everything here is a dream.
Normally this is taken as mind being the only thing that's real, not physical sensation being the only thing that's real. Since physical sensation and imagination aren't necessarily separated by anything at all, other than what is being experienced.
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SAGE! 08/05/20 (Wed) 04:00:18 No. 136766
>>136765
>when I look at my third eye
with
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08/05/20 (Wed) 04:00:25 No. 136767
>>136764
What you are preaching is solipsism and it's retarded.
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08/05/20 (Wed) 08:57:27 No. 136770
>>136767
The ultimate truth hurts.
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08/05/20 (Wed) 09:11:16 No. 136771
>>136770
Which could be seen as one reason for why solipsism is retarded.
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08/05/20 (Wed) 12:18:57 No. 136778
>>136761
>Commerce is based entirely on consent
Consent doesn't matter.
>it moves favour like blood
Then favor is more valuable than commerce, if that's your argument for why commerce is good.
>it moves the blood of kings through you
Commerce is a symbolic representation of actual value, kings should exert influence directly rather than through symbolic representation. Commerce having more power than kings is a degenerate system that's either succumbed to another force, or one that has distorted itself and put the cart before the horse. Either way it's strength and power that compels either through need for survival, base desire, faith, or reason, commerce is an abstraction of this power. But even this call for strength is secondary to what should truly be sought out, similar in how the call for how to survive is the first mark of death (an animal faced with death would be worried over how to survive). Truly flourishing creatures don't contemplate how to survive but that arrogance might be what allows for their death anyway. Time brings to you the things you dread most, and the things you never expect.
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08/05/20 (Wed) 14:57:59 No. 136780
Might as well also answer this:
>but recognize that the judgement resides only in your thoughts, which are illusory.
This statement is self-contradictory for two reasons.
One: casting judgement onto others for casting judgement is itself a judgement, and if judgement is illusory then this statement is also illusory. Meaning it's irrelevant and means nothing, might as well not say it.
Two: There is no real separation between thoughts and judgement, a judgement is a product of a thought and a thought is a product of a will, which is a product of whatever you personally believe it to be. Regardless it's self-confined and within a particular system. I don't know the reasoning behind why you personally consider thoughts to be illusory, but if it were solipsistic then any word, idea, or thought that enters your sphere is your own. Meaning any judgement you hear is really your own judgement, and any thought you think is really your own, and if no thought is not illusory then there's not a reason to deny judgement over sensation, experience, contemplation, enlightenment, or basic existence. Meaning either nothing is real, or everything has some level of reality (this is a more complex statement), and either way judgements are as real as everything else.
tl;dr ur a fag lol
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08/05/20 (Wed) 15:30:06 No. 136781
>>136780
How much do they pay you?
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SAGE! 08/05/20 (Wed) 15:35:38 No. 136783
>>136781
I'm bored and trying to stay awake.
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08/05/20 (Wed) 19:27:29 No. 136792
>>136693
To bring the discussion back to the subject, I have a similar thought on this.
By healing someone you, at the most fundamental level, add more to their lifespan. You touch their lives in a positive way that will grant them more time and energy into this world.
This will carry a natural "Karmic price" for you, as you have intervened into the lives of others, and changed the impact they will have on the world.
If they are good people and they will do good things, your actions have caused more "good" in the world. If they will do bad things, then its also on you.
But, if you get paid for that service. If they pay you in money (which is just a surrogate for time) or if they pay you through service, their actions are now their own. They have paid the price of your service and, from your point of view, things are back in equilibrium.
How much is that healing worth? Now this is a different question that I am still pondering. But I am not a good enough healer yet to worry about this.
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08/06/20 (Thu) 05:34:00 No. 136816
>>136792
What you are saying reminds me about how some Obeah men work where they will do whatever someone asks of them but all the karma is 100% on the asker.
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08/06/20 (Thu) 17:57:21 No. 136823
>>136792
The things you say about magic make me think you have never casted a successful spell. All that you wrote makes 0 sense.
>>136816
You have read The Secret Science Behind Miracles. You know how that works.
On a different topic.
Can we create a password protected board like there was on fringechan that can only be accessed by divining the password? The board is getting filled with larding children and I must admit it bothers me.
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08/06/20 (Thu) 18:25:13 No. 136824
>>136823
>password protected board
What would even be the point? It was an empty board with zero posters during Fringechan's existence, a failure. And none of the people who had access to the original password protected /illuminati/ board obtained it through magical means, that "secret club" was a total sham.
>he board is getting filled with larding children and I must admit it bothers me.
Nothing new.
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08/06/20 (Thu) 18:30:24 No. 136825
>>136792
I don't think karma is a real thing. I've done a lot of bad things and haven't gotten punished for them and I've done a lot of good things and haven't gotten rewarded for them.
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08/06/20 (Thu) 18:43:28 No. 136826
>>136825
The word shouldn’t even be used anymore because there are two many stupid definitions floating around.
I saw someone explain it perfectly on /x/ of all places. Go figure. Sometimes that board shows more wisdom than this one.
Also this board is filthy as fuck.
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08/06/20 (Thu) 19:09:00 No. 136828
>>136825
>Also this board is filthy as fuck.
Befitting for the rotting corpse that is /fringe/.
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08/07/20 (Fri) 02:11:29 No. 136841
Those who complain about board quality will be forced to listen to the philosophical ramblings of qboomers for the rest of eternity.
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08/07/20 (Fri) 02:35:31 No. 136844
>>136841
I'd take "Q boomers" who actually research shit over zoomie nazi larpers any day.
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08/07/20 (Fri) 02:42:27 No. 136846
>>136844
You're asking for the impossible, what you're going to get is regurgitated talking points by people who think having some relevant knowledge, even if the knowledge isn't actually relevant, would help bring them to victory. I suppose it's a bit like gnostics.
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SAGE! 08/07/20 (Fri) 03:53:44 No. 136855
>>136846
Although on further consideration that would probably be enjoyable to some, since discussion is less favored for mindless parroting of information you've read somewhere else.
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08/07/20 (Fri) 17:27:40 No. 136862
>>136792
I don't really understand how this is self-consistent. If your actions for helping someone has a karmic responsibility, why would getting paid nullify it? Wouldn't the simple fact of performing an action that originates from your own initiative be enough to not squirm away from the responsibility?
Flip a coin, if it lands on head you perform whatever action you want, if tails then you do nothing. Is the coin responsible for what happens next or are you?
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08/09/20 (Sun) 06:58:17 No. 136926
>>136841
I’d rather listen to them than to keep reading your insufferably pretentious crap.
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08/09/20 (Sun) 06:59:31 No. 136927
>>136862
It’s not consistent. It’s crap. That person does not understand “karma”.
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08/09/20 (Sun) 07:51:30 No. 136928
>>136926
>>136927
Its virtue signaling faggots flinging shit at others while offering nothing substantial and expecting others to listen. How do you most annoy them?
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08/16/20 (Sun) 23:00:59 No. 137102
>>136927
Then please enlighten us all and explain.
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