No.54583
I had a disturbing dream two weeks ago and I can't stop thinking about it. I'm not really sure if this is something you guys will be interested in or with which you can help me, but I can't think of a more fitting board for it. I'm not a /x/enomorph or whatever the hell you guys call yourselves, so apologies if this is something you discussed many times before. I've had maybe three lucid dreams in my entire life, but none of them were like this.
>be me, two weeks back
>asleep
>find myself unloading furniture into the apartment my wife and I shared when we went to another city for school/work
>I can't remember why we're moving, I can't remember the trip to the city or the planning involved, and I'm sure the apartment layout is incorrect
>Wife, parents, brother, friends, all moving around with boxes
>lightbulb
>"I'm in a dream," I say
Now, this is normally the part where my conscious dreams end, as I almost always wake up once the realization has been made. Not this time, however. This time, the weirdest and most disturbing thing I've ever encountered in a dream happens: the dream starts gaslighting me.
>The construct of my wife puts down the box she was carrying and laughs at me. "Does this look like a dream? Give me a hand with this box."
Up until this point, the dream had been foggy around the edges, but as soon as she mocked me for thinking it was a dream, the dream reasserted itself and everything felt more solid, again.
>I pick up the box and move it to another room. The other room is quite obviously my parents' dining room
>"This isn't right," I say to myself, and the dream starts to get foggy, again.
>My dad, in his 50s instead of late 70s, walks by and says "Hey! [Younger Brother] need some help with that cabinet" or something like that. I tell him it's a dream and he gets impatient and says "It's not a dream! Go help your brother!"
>Dream solidifies again, and I wander out to the elevator in the hall to help my brother haul in a china cabinet or something
>This goes on for quite some time until I finally wake up. Me searching for and finding clues that it's a dream while people I should be able to trust keep telling me to quit fucking around and help move shit
I've never had that happen in my life. Weirdest dream ever, and I literally had one dream with a laugh track and another one that ran credits just before I woke up.
Now, the easy answer is to go straight to the psychological explanation, but, while they might drive me crazy, my loved ones are people I trust to not deliberately fuck me over/lie to me. Plus, they didn't actually FEEL like my loved ones, but rather someone playing a part while wearing their faces. It seemed unnatural as hell, and, as I've said, I've been chewing it over for a couple of weeks and finally just decided to try you guys. I've heard of some lucid dreamers seeing dark people watching them, but there was no one like that there. Just people I knew, or things made up to look like them.
Has anyone heard of or encountered anything like this?
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No.54591
I've had lucid dreams that tried to assert themselves as "real" in various ways. If they really worry you, then the best way to handle that is to develop several simple "dreamcheck" physical actions that are blatantly impossible (but are perfectly safe to fail at). Something like having your fingernails telescope and retract, or pushing your hands through each other when you put them together. Make a habit of performing such quick, simple dreamchecks whenever you have a bit of idle time in reality. Habits will carry over into your dream actions, and so you'll always know if you're dreaming based on the results of regularly performed dreamchecks.
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No.54593
>>54583
Don't freak out about it man, it's normal. Your loved ones being the ones to try to convince you just happens to be because that's who you were dreaming about. If it were some other random people they'd tell you similar things. Your subconscious doesn't want you to be lucid and will try a multitude of tactics, you've experienced one of them, to push you out of lucidity. I'll tell you some of the other tactics but only if you ask again.
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No.54595
>>54591
>>54593
Thank you both for getting back to me. I'll try learning that dreamcheck habit. The subconscious trying to maintain the dream state makes sense.
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No.54609
Those are actually interdimensional entities toying with you.
Once I had a dream where one disguised as a relative tried to fight me to have sex with them. I picked them up and threw them on a searing hot plate stove and they passed out after being burnt. As I looked into their open eye, their pupil got bigger and shapeshifted into a grey alien almond eye. This has happened multiple times.
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No.54612
>>54609
Not to discount your experience, but his was markedly different. The characters in his experience were passively performing their actions, never initiated hostility or discomfort, and only started to act strangely when he started exploring his own doubts. This means they were most likely just reflections of himself and subconscious (a normal dream), rather than agents of a malevolent outside entity. When external entities try to fuck with you, it's more like this other thread >>54562
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No.54617
>>54609
>As I looked into their open eye, their pupil got bigger and shapeshifted into a grey alien almond eye. This has happened multiple times.
Really?
I was just going to tell OP this sounds like a grey alien conditioning or training dream.
This is /x/ so I'll just go to the point and not bother with the
>hurr durr you believe in ayyys
argument. I'm a spiritualist, I talk to greys. They've been helping me with scientology-like mental exercises.
I just finished the graduation test and it was a really scary and panic indusing experience where an obviously fake reality was placed in front of my eyes.
I knew it wasn't real, it wasn't even proper 3D, but I couldn't get out until I passed all segments of it and just said firmly, "I need to get out of here and find my mum" (I had lost her in the dream.
You've all been given the attention of greys.
>>54583
OP definitely. Gaslighting dream, that's a mental strength test.
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No.54621
>>54617
>I was just going to tell OP this sounds like a grey alien conditioning or training dream.
OP here. It's my understanding that the ayys usually grab convenient targets of opportunity (people innawoods or deserted areas) or else they have an eye on people from a young age to ass-rape. I don't know why they'd suddenly take an interest in me at 46.
>I talk to greys. They've been helping me with scientology-like mental exercises.
It says something about me, I think, that I'm perfectly okay with you communing with the skinny ass-rapists, but I draw the line at them trying to remove your body-thetans. Hubbard was a dangerous megalomaniac, and Xenu did nothing wrong.
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No.54622
>>54609
>Those are actually interdimensional entities toying with you.
Other than for the shiggles, I don't know why they would. There was no element of terror/humor/rage/etc. It was boring as hell. Unpacking shit and moving furniture. The only reason I even remember it was the bizarre actions of the dream constructs. I'm not saying you're wrong, because it definitely was a unique event in my life and I'd like to understand it, but it just seems like they could have had more fun with the time they had.
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No.54626
>>54622
Please don't take these LARPers seriously
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No.54627
>>54583
How important do you think the philosophical message was? It could have just been your subconscious telling your conscious that it had an extrmely important message to convey.
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No.54628
>>54622
>It was boring as hell.
That's very strong evidence it was just another dream and nothing particularly weird or paranormal. People actually dream every night, but don't bother remembering most of their dreams, because most dreams are duller than watching paint dry. Especially the nonsensical ones; you'd think breaking natural expectations of cause and effect would be exciting, but most of the time it ends up being just a random meaningless jumble.
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No.54632
>>54621
There are different classes of them. The ancient greys are more of demigods seen from a human view. They're spirits who remember all past incarnations and just amass knowledge. They all incarnate into human bodies so they do walk among us. Because they still can't figure out physical immortality they're building education systems and tuning human genetics to fit them better so they don't lose so much time growing up in each lifetime. They also don't give a fuck about bodybuilding since they know they'll lose that body soon, they focus on control, mental strength and nerve development skills, things which carry over via the spirit to the next life.
If you wanna understand the purpose of a super rich elite, it's mostly these greys preparing reincarnation spots for themselves.
The Roswell tv series (pic) was pretty much right on though they didn't explain a lot.
>ayys usually grab convenient targets of opportunity (people innawoods or deserted areas) or else they have an eye on people from a young age to ass-rape.
That's their "kids" playing around. Those are greys who are too spiritually inexperienced to be able to remember anything or control anything. They're just script kiddies with ships, the ancient greys consider them insects.
>just kill them if they mess with you lol
Is what the spiritual greys are saying about them.
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No.54644
>>54626
There's nothing wrong with mental exercises based on what may seem insane. Sometimes it opens another avenue of investigation.
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No.54645
>>54628
That's what I now believe. It was fucked up, but the early replies are reasonable explanations.
>>54632
> They also don't give a fuck about bodybuilding since they know they'll lose that body soon
So you're saying that /fit/ is the final bastion of hope against the Greys?
Look, if that's what you truly believe, then I won't try to stop you. I guess the biggest questions I have is where do you come by that knowledge, and, if it's the Ancient Grains Greys, what makes you think they're telling the truth? Because if they're so willing to hand it over to you, they should be willing to tell everyone else, as well.
>If you wanna understand the purpose of a super rich elite, it's mostly these greys preparing reincarnation spots for themselves.
Is there a reason why they choose ugly flabby bodies with big noses and a tendency to rub their hands together?
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No.54656
>>54645
>if they're so willing to hand it over to you, they should be willing to tell everyone else, as well
Maybe they do but you discard it.
>is there a reason why they choose ugly flabby bodies with big noses and a tendency to rub their hands together?
Those aren't greys, those are Je-ws. Greys look like Mike Pence.
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No.54662
>>54656
>Maybe they do but you discard it.
Pretty sure I haven't had a visit from the ayys telling me the secrets of the universe. I think I'd remember that. And if they mindwiped me, what would be the point in telling me in the first place?
>Greys look like Mike Pence.
Let's say that's true. Why are they letting the Elders of Zion have that much control of the world if the Greys aren't inhabiting juden bodies?
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No.54663
>>54656
I guess I'm coming off as too sarcastic. My apologies. I genuinely find your claims interesting, but I'm having problems in the logic of some of them.
>Why be a secret elite? If you already run the Earth, why not just come out of the dark and admit it?
>For what purpose would anyone want to be the shadow government of Earth? We're fuckups.
>Why inhabit human or kazar bodies? Why not some superhuman thing that could punch the hell out of a dumptruck and leap tall buildings? In short, why not set themselves up as small-g gods?
>What have you done to deserve their undivided attention?
There's a lot of things that really don't add up for me.
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No.54666
>>54583
This is what your dream was telling you:
Your family, your loved ones, while they are those you trust the most, you should be wary of them, as they tie your spirit to this dream. If you truly wish to free your soul from the shackles of this plane, you must let go of your attachments to these people, your blind trust in them. Even though they mean well, they are all tied to this illusion and thus accept the dream as the reality. Wake up, Anon, and see this world for what it is, a collective dream which exists on the borders light and darkness.
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No.54681
>>54666
>you should be wary of them
Thanks, Satan.
>your blind trust in them
Are you mad? I never trusted them to begin with.
>Wake up, Anon, and see this world for what it is, a collective dream which exists on the borders light and darkness.
Very poetic, but, thanks to clinical depression, I've always seen it as something that exists on the borders of shit and poop, with the occasional flash of sunshine.
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No.54685
>>54662
>Pretty sure I haven't had a visit from the ayys telling me the secrets of the universe
They'll do it over telepathy and they're in spirit form so you need to have the ability to perceive spirits to notice them. If you get ideas like what I told you, you'd just discard it as wandering thoughts. I on the other hand am aware of what thoughts are my own and if there are spirits presents, so I know when someone is telling me something and can ask them to elaborate. A lot of the time spirits are just fucking with you and making shit up but you can always double check it until you see what's real and what isn't by testing what they say vs reality.
>Why are they letting the Elders of Zion have that much control of the world if the Greys aren't inhabiting juden bodies?
Let me just directly channel the grey next to me right now:
"The vampires aren't as powerful as you think, in fact they're completely irrelevant to our plans. We could remove them anytime but we don't see a reason to."
>Why be a secret elite? If you already run the Earth, why not just come out of the dark and admit it?
Humans are cattle to them. You can tell your cows you rule over them and they'd still just think about grass and not see it coming when you kill them and eat them. The human spirit for the most part is at the level of cattle or insects, humans can't notice the smallest thing, and they rarely remember anything past their current lifetime, that's why they're seen as insignificant. The greys plan in 10000s of years because they remember anything, switching body is like changing clothes to them.
>For what purpose would anyone want to be the shadow government of Earth? We're fuckups.
Mentally, yes, but the human body is perfect and is the most suitable for spiritual growth. The grey body is inferior and has slowed their development for a long time, this is why they're trying to pry their way in here.
>Why inhabit human or kazar bodies? Why not some superhuman thing that could punch the hell out of a dumptruck and leap tall buildings? In short, why not set themselves up as small-g gods?
This is the part mentioned the Roswell tv series: the human body doesn't look much but can be used to develop all these abilities, spiritually. See those shaolin monks blocking swords with bare hands and taking a kick in the nuts without flinching? That's a low level version of what the human body offers. But the current humanity are just monkeys in limos for the most part, their spirits can't use it for the most basic abilities.
>What have you done to deserve their undivided attention?
Flirting with them.
Jokes aside I saw some greys in human bodies and ripped their spirit out and brought them over to talk to them and they were amused over me being able to do this because it's rare. So they showed me some stuff, including nanobot programming.
The masons and others like rosicrucians are doing a crude version of this, but the greys aren't very happy about it because they mostly make sloppy viruses for some small personal benefit. That's why we know about masons and all that, the greys want people to not like them. They still won't wipe them out because it's not really ruining anything, if people can learn to use the grey tech they deserve to have that chance. It's sort of a balance, a manipulation game like seeing if your dog can learn tricks.
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No.54687
Aren't you the guy that got his dad killed?
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No.54690
>>54685
>They'll do it over telepathy and they're in spirit form so you need to have the ability to perceive spirits to notice them. If you get ideas like what I told you, you'd just discard it as wandering thoughts. I on the other hand am aware of what thoughts are my own and if there are spirits presents, so I know when someone is telling me something and can ask them to elaborate. A lot of the time spirits are just fucking with you and making shit up but you can always double check it until you see what's real and what isn't by testing what they say vs reality.
Assuming such an ability is not solely inborn and can even be developed in the first place by the average human monkey, how does one develop the ability to distinguish between self-thoughts, other-thoughts, wandering-thoughts, etc?
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No.54693
I had multiple dreams about getting into a relationship with this woman I know IRL. I like her but the dreams always make me wake up wanting her much more than I actually do.
I've been having dreams extremely frequently recently. For the past two weeks I've assumed this "nocturnal" sleepcycle too, I haven't really had anything to do so usually I stay up posting on here or watching shows. I think the increased frequency of dreams has something to do with that schedule, idk.
Most of the dreams also have an element where I'm in some social gathering like a party. I joined this drill team - they're almost like a fraternity, with a whole initiation process - and I keep having dreams about the people from the team. Usually in the dream I commit some minor social faux pas that causes people to ostracize me lightly. And then I usually messing with the girl I talked about earlier, we'll spontaneously start kissing and holding eachother or something.
An additional fact; I've had similar dreams about a different woman a year or so ago, both women in this story have bright green eyes.
I also had a dream about ending the world by authorizing the fire of nuclear missiles from an amphibious submarine and then roaming the slums in the vehicle, before encountering and enlisting a kind of military tribe (suspiciously comprised of people from my drill team) and solving puzzles/trick questions for some initiation process to become leader of the new recruits.
I look forward to sleeping now. Even though most of my dreams lean towards being nightmares they're usually more interesting than being awake.
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No.54698
>>54690
>Assuming such an ability is not solely inborn and can even be developed in the first place by the average human monkey, how does one develop the ability to distinguish between self-thoughts, other-thoughts, wandering-thoughts, etc?
Start with meditation of any kind, za-zen or whatever you find an ok manual for. You need to be able to remain silent in your own head to tell when someone else puts thoughts in there. The next step obviously is to accept that the things that appear in your head, in your own voice, isn't always from yourself. Other beings speak in your voice because you've learned that the things in your head are "you", but this is an illusion. Once you can seperate your own thinking the other voices will appear in their own tone and if you get better at it you can decide if you want it in their own language, in the case when they speak a language you know, or if you want it to auto translate into your own. The mind can do either because a mental message isn't really in any specific language. That's the difference between telepathy and co called channeling. A channeller just takes in the words the way they are with no translation while telepathy translates.
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No.54706
>>54685
>They'll do it over telepathy and they're in spirit form so you need to have the ability to perceive spirits to notice them. If you get ideas like what I told you, you'd just discard it as wandering thoughts.
What you describe sounds like the Holy Spirit, but via another channel, which concerns me on your behalf.
>"The vampires aren't as powerful as you think, in fact they're completely irrelevant to our plans. We could remove them anytime but we don't see a reason to."
I can think of SEVERAL reasons to, and the Greys should be able to see them, as well. It's not irrelevant in any way. The things they do today will disrupt the plans of the Greys tomorrow. Avalanches begin from one single snowflake landing in exactly the right place, and they aren't as omniscient as they'd have you believe.
>Humans are cattle to them.
Then why commune with you? Or are you a special type of talking bovine?
>Mentally, yes, but the human body is perfect and is the most suitable for spiritual growth. The grey body is inferior and has slowed their development for a long time, this is why they're trying to pry their way in here.
Okay, here's my point about der juden interference all over again. They've been actively working for decades to make us fat and complacent, and there are very, very few bodies that could be described as physically perfect. If they Greys want to pilot my lazy ass, they must really be hurting.
>I saw some greys in human bodies and ripped their spirit out and brought them over to talk to them and they were amused over me being able to do this because it's rare.
I'm growing more and more concerned that you have undiagnosed schizophrenia or something in that vein. If I was an alien operative and one of the locals forced me out and demanded a conversation, I'd have killed you with whatever weapons were at my disposal and then taken the body for the tech guys to study so it wouldn't happen again.
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No.54708
>>54706
>What you describe sounds like the Holy Spirit
Doesn't exist.
>I can think of SEVERAL reasons to
So the greys made plans 400k years ago and some maggots in human bodies with a 3000 years old religion can somehow make a visible dent on it? Think again.
>Then why commune with you?
I'm one of the few people on this planet they can't control because I've been a practicing and successful witch in my previous lives, building up enough awereness for their control systems to not function anymore. If they can't control you, they let you in.
>there are very, very few bodies that could be described as physically perfect
Be sure that when the greys incarnate, they're in those bodies. Why do you think only the elites are thin and fit in USA.
>I'm growing more and more concerned that you have undiagnosed schizophrenia or something in that vein
Schizos are open to both the hidden parts of their own minds and to other spirits, the difference between mentally ill persons and someone like me, is that I understand what is happening and am a functional member of society.
The difference between a schizo and someone like you is that the schizo has seen more of the truth and couldn't handle it, while you live in a bubble and feel safe in there. You'd be a schizo too if you saw a few % more of reality most likely.
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No.54713
>>54708
>Doesn't exist.
<mfw you think aliens teaching OT-8 is plausible but God isn't
I guess I wasn't clear. When I said I was concerned on your behalf, I meant maybe you're getting messages from demonic entities instead of extraterrestrial ones. Now, obviously, you don't believe that to be the case, so I guess there's no point in pursuing it, but if the beings start telling you to kill things, you might want to have a think before you go ahead and do it.
>because I've been a practicing and successful witch in my previous lives
Oh. My apologies. I should have realized. Were you one of the six gorillion killed in Salem?
>Why do you think only the elites are thin and fit in USA.
Bread and circuses to keep us docile and less likely to get off the couch and stick their enormous noses in a meat grinder for their crimes
>The difference between a schizo and someone like you is that the schizo has seen more of the truth and couldn't handle it, while you live in a bubble and feel safe in there.
I haven't felt safe in my "bubble" for years.
>You'd be a schizo too if you saw a few % more of reality most likely.
I've seen shit that would make your pubes grow in, buddy.
But let's take what you say at face value for now. Why don't the Ayys just grab as many "perfect" bodies as they can and split for Alpha Centauri? Why not start a breeding/education program there instead of relying on things to take their own course here in our damaged societies?
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No.54721
>>54713
>I guess I wasn't clear. When I said I was concerned on your behalf, I meant maybe you're getting messages from demonic entities instead of extraterrestrial ones
I mostly interact with demonic entities so I'm well aware of the difference thank you. I also do not submit to the narrow abrahamic worldview of monotheism. It's something for people who have no experiences of their own. There is no one super-god stronger than everyone else, that's merely theology and has nothing to do with reality.
>Were you one of the six gorillion killed in Salem?
Never been a burger witch.
>I haven't felt safe in my "bubble" for years.
I'm not talking about some privileged lifestyle, but about how you're safely resting in your beliefs that the things such as what I'm posting isn't real.
> Why don't the Ayys just grab as many "perfect" bodies as they can and split for Alpha Centauri? Why not start a breeding/education program there instead of relying on things to take their own course here in our damaged societies?
The entire earth is a farm in their view. They have total control of the cattle in the same way a farmer has. Some cows get lost in swamps, drown in ditches or die for other reasons but overall they're making a profit and have no reason to care. That's what it is.
Some of them get fond of individuals and take them aside as pets, some run specific breeding experiments and some just slaughter them for science.
Just look at how easily people today are controlled by social media and smartphones, a press of a button and you can make millions follow your command.
Meanwhile the elites of places like Silicon Valley have their kids in Waldorf schools where technology like computers and and phones are banned until they're 12 and after that may only be used an hour daily in a classroom setting.
Look up Rudolf Steiner if you care, he was a grey and laid out this program to be used by them, which distinctly teaches useful things unlike the cattle schools which are all for making people obey. They're also behind scientology although what's being spread openly is partially an experiment to see if humans can be taught anything real. So far most people just end up in "the pit" until they escape the cult or die so few people qualify.
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No.54722
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No.54725
>>54721
>I mostly interact with demonic entities so I'm well aware of the difference thank you.
In my opinion, if this is correct, you're playing with fire, but I know better than to try to talk you out of it.
>Never been a burger witch.
Fair enough. My apologies for all the flippancy in my last post. I was being an asshole due to something unrelated to you.
>I'm not talking about some privileged lifestyle, but about how you're safely resting in your beliefs that the things such as what I'm posting isn't real.
I find this to be an interesting point, because I base my beliefs on my own observations and experiences that you casually dismiss as easily as I dismiss yours. I was agnostic at best until 1995. I won't bore you with the details as it wouldn't mean anything to anyone but my wife and myself, but here I am 25 years later and I've seen nothing to cause me to doubt.
>The entire earth is a farm in their view. They have total control of the cattle in the same way a farmer has. Some cows get lost in swamps, drown in ditches or die for other reasons but overall they're making a profit and have no reason to care. That's what it is.
My response is that it's more of a hunting reserve than a farm, if all sorts of variables are allowed to seep in in such a fashion. China's soon-to-be devastating losses from Corona, for one. A farmer will pen in the cattle, feed them, make sure they get their medicine, spray his crops, burn out crop infections, help with difficult animal births, etc., where as your Greys seem to be just allowing random things to happen. Do they ever step in to kill or save humans in their own interests? There must be more than a few blue-ribbon members of homo sapiens they devote special attention to.
>Meanwhile the elites of places like Silicon Valley have their kids in Waldorf schools where technology like computers and and phones are banned until they're 12 and after that may only be used an hour daily in a classroom setting.
Yeah, well, I think at this point we ALL know that the elites, no matter if they're non-humans or non-humans, have gameed the system nicely for themselves.
>They're also behind scientology although what's being spread openly is partially an experiment to see if humans can be taught anything real.
1. I'd actually laugh my ass off if it turns out that the Thetans, themselves, are behind Scientology
2. Have the Greys mentioned to you if there was an actual Xenu? I'm serious. I don't believe what you're saying but since you believe it, I'm curious whether your long-fingered friends ever mentioned the galactic king and his revolutionary plan to dump the surplus population in one of Tegeeack's volcanoes?
I have some other questions:
• Are there really other alien races, such as the Atacama beings or the Angelics? If so, what's the diplomatic status between them and the greys?
• If humans really have such high potential, aren't they concerned about coming back around at some point only to discover we've skipped a few steps and surpassed them?
• Why the Grey/human hybrids? Is it to act as ambassadors one day or is it more like mulattoes during the slave trade, where they were considered a slightly smarter form of slave and used as foremen?
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No.54729
>>54725
>and I've seen nothing to cause me to doubt
Then we have that in common. I've never experienced the feeling of doubt myself.
>it's more of a hunting reserve than a farm
The difference is that they do have hunting reserves on other planet where they literally hunt the inhabitants, so the lack of that makes earth a farm.
>Do they ever step in to kill or save humans in their own interests?
In the interest of the human? If that human's interest is in their interest. But very rarely.
>There must be more than a few blue-ribbon members of homo sapiens they devote special attention to.
They control all frontline scientists very carefully. Humans can't really invent anything modern, only complete autists and weirdos can come up with things through 20 years of research because greys telepathically explain concepts to them and condition them to be able to grasp it and present it to the public. Being a scientist today means to be a type of channeller taking messages about a certain topic, all info provided by the greys.
>Have the Greys mentioned to you if there was an actual Xenu? I'm serious. I don't believe what you're saying but since you believe it, I'm curious whether your long-fingered friends ever mentioned the galactic king and his revolutionary plan to dump the surplus population in one of Tegeeack's volcanoes?
That lore is part of the backstory relating to the destruction of the previous universe's population. They're what we call reptilians. They no longer have physical bodies anywhere and they can't incarnate in this current universe. All they can do is possess humans temporarily and give them some ideas (like national socialism), but it's inevitable that anyone being able to talk to greys would also encounter them so they're included for awareness.
Only the greys are able to still incarnate and they also do have a small population in their original bodies. They plan on making a complete migration to human bodies after some more DNA tuning.
>Angelics
Angels aren't aliens, they're an astral race known for the creation of astral weapons and advanced systems which are inherited over the generations. New agers can't keep the concepts apart and think they're from another planet, but they're just spirits incarnating in a non physical plane parallel to humans. The lawbound angels are just religious zealots, stay away from them. A religous human could become one after dying. The real deal are those deemed "fallen" angels, if you want to have contact with angels, go for them.
>Why the Grey/human hybrids? Is it to act as ambassadors one day or is it more like mulattoes during the slave trade, where they were considered a slightly smarter form of slave and used as foremen?
The greys would have just inhabited human bodies as they are if possible but the grey spirit can't fully enter it without some tweaking.
The "hybrids" are meant to replace humanity in the future with a small population of original humans left as they are as a genetic reserve.
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No.54730
Ah well, this was really disappointing to read.
Every so-called occultist so far has been a major snoozefest. They can't prove anything, they can't do anything. Everybody is just talking about their "experiences" but the worst part about all of that is that they can never agree on anything specifically with their colleges. Everybody is suddenly an infallible expert who knows the "actual truth" while everyone disagreeing is a "shill" or "blind" etc. Same story on every occult community. As much as one would like to believe, why should one trust in what can be classified as delusion? This applies to any topic btw.
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No.54732
>>54698
This sounds like a paranormal twist on standard mindfulness meditation, where you calmly observe and then consciously decide which thoughts and feelings to act on and entertain further, and which ones to simply leave be. There is no proof that the thoughts and feelings that "don't make the cut" are actually voices from external entities separate from the self, though I can certainly understand why some people would adopt that point of view.
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No.54734
>>54730
>they can never agree on anything
You haven't found a decent occult group then. I don't recognize this at all.
>>54730
>why should one trust in what can be classified as delusion
You shouldn't. You should always test it yourself, that's implied in all statements. No one told you to take someone's word for it. At least not in this thread.
>>54732
>There is no proof
If you want to find out you produce your own proof, if you expect spoon-feeding the problem lies within yourself.
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No.54736
>>54690
>>54698
>>54732
The average human is an idiot that doesn't even notice his own inner dialogue. I wouldn't be surprised if there are edge cases out there who are just sapient enough to notice head chatter, but not sapient enough to recognize themselves as the source of it all, much less develop any ability to control it. So they ascribe it to the voices of demons, gods, spirits, angels, aliens, past lives, mind-control lasers, etc.
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No.54737
>>54736
If you have little personal experience with entity interactions you'd easily think this way.
Once you realize they can provide you with information you don't have any way of knowing, which is later proven real, even predicting future events, you'd also change your mind on this.
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No.54742
>>54736
>>54737
Some special people are "blacklisted". The reasons why vary greatly from person to person and are often unknown. You can't automatically assume a blacklisted person is "good", "evil", "wrong", "important", "worthless", "inferior", "superior" or whatever. But no matter what the reasons are, the result is that person will NEVER, EVER have any real interactions with entities no matter how hard they try to or want to, because the entities ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to have ANY contact with them at all, and will NEVER let them experience any conclusive proof of their existence. It is no exaggeration to state that for all practical purposes, entities DO NOT and WILL NEVER exist for those blacklisted people, and that is how the entities WANT IT to be. Do not underestimate how many degrees of separation and levels of plausible deniability entities will set up to maintain their distance and invisibility from the blacklisted, including the MANIPULATION OF NON-BLACKLISTED PEOPLE. The vast majority of the "rules of engagement" regarding entity-human interactions are SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED by entities to support the blacklist, and contain numerous layers of failsafes within failsafes to account for anyone or anything breaking those rules.
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No.54743
>>54732
The problem is when you try to discern it, you realize it's not coming from you and instead from another source. Try it, and you'll see. Don't be scared, and face the unknown. Do it, and you'll live.
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No.54776
>>54743
Every voice "in my head" I investigated eventually turned out to be sourced from myself. Now, I know other outside sources do exist, because I've seen and interacted with them during astral projection. But communication with them has always had very clearly "external" trappings.
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