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 No.52095

Are we living in the golden age of magic? Think about it:

>most people don't take magic seriously and there's no law against it, so you can use it as much as you want without being accused of being a witch

>you can practice it openly and meet with other magicians through local groups

>there's never been so much information about magic readily available to anyone who wants to learn

>we have access to hundreds of ancient books for free, plus all the modern ones

>technology makes it easier than ever to cast spells (using photographs instead of visualization, using the internet to spread your sigils, etc)

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 No.52100

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>>52095

Magic requires an initiatic tradition that has been all but snuffed out in the modern world. Even diciplines that could be called science are infected with modern concepts such as realism.

The very idea of a magic spell itself as being a subset rather than language itself being a "magical" act is one such example. It also requires a metaphysical position (eg. A position of access to information) that is superior to others, thus giving you a more in depth understanding of the world and of reality. This is obviously contrary to the idea of ancient texts being widely available, and this is why you should never spread these ideas to the uninitiated.

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 No.52103

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>fluoride and pollutants blocking our pineal gland

>government blocking off ley line's powers

>active suppression of anything spiritual, that goes against the mainstream materialistic world

we are living in a shit time, there's a reason why you don't see people flying around.

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 No.52106

It's pretty lonely though. No one on the mainstream net believes it so the only place to discuss it is slow forums. Just look at mainstream places like 4/x/. Fedoras and mundanes are thriving there.

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 No.52107

More of an information age than a magic golden age, even if things have improved since the witch hunts centuries back.

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 No.52108

>>52107

It's safe to do magic now but we're still in the lonely materialistic age. Zoomers seems to love werewolves and wizards though so that might change soon.

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 No.52110

Well, gee, if only magic was fucking real!

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 No.52112

>>52110

what an insightful comment

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 No.52122

>>52100

>Magic requires an initiatic tradition that has been all but snuffed out in the modern world.

Then who initiated the first magicians?

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 No.52124

>>52122

Long story short, it requires a context and method no longer known or available to start such a tradition. It was once possible to do so.

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 No.52126

>>52122

The Watchers

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 No.52128

It's the best time to do magic. In all of recorded history it hasn't been better.

And you don't need anything to start except interest and devotion. Everything will eventually come your way when you are ready.

>>52103

>we are living in a shit time, there's a reason why you don't see people flying around.

>>52106

>It's pretty lonely though. No one on the mainstream net believes it so the only place to discuss it is slow forums.

It's true that it's a lonely path to walk, but slow boards is more than most people interested in this stuff had in any other time. Also if you're into this stuff you probably aren't the social type anyway. And during all of history living remote to society hasn't been easier either.

This journey has been rewarding and great for me at least.

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 No.52139

>>52124

I'd be interested in hearing the long story. Even a link to a video or site would be good.

>>52126

Then who initiated the watchers…?

>>52128

Which branch of magic did you choose, if I may ask?

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 No.52145

>>52139

If you would like to read more on magic, there are definitely books that much better articulate the subject and specifically yhis issue. Of course there is Crowley, however more relevant to this issue is René Guenon and Julius Evola. They are somewhat political and you may not like that, but they have some excellent work on ancient religions and the occult. Figures such as Carl Jung praised Evola for his knowledge of the subject.

If you want to steer clear of the political works in regard to Evola, avoid Revolt Against the Modern World and Ride the Tiger. For magic there is "Introduction to Magic", "Introduction to the Hermetic Tradition" and "The Metaphysics of Sex" (which specifically elucidates some of Crowley's more impenetrable works).

Relevant to what we are discussing, Guénon has an excellent work called The "Crisis of the Modern World". For hard metaphysical works giving a basis for many "supernatural" occurences, check out the "Reign of Quantity and the Sign of the Times" and "The States of the Being" (https://archive.org/details/reneguenon).

If you go on /lit/ on 4chan there are a few people who will discuss these two further with you. Of course there is /fringe/ too.

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 No.52150

>>52145

I have no problem with Evola's politics. I've read Ride the Tiger and The Mask and Face of Contemporary Spiritualism and also a bit of Introduction to Magic, which if I remember correctly was not specifically written by Evola but it was a joint effort by the Ur Group, of which Evola was a member.

The problem I have with Evola is with his spiritual and philosophical teachings. There's a lot of stuff he said that I disagree with and makes me doubt his authority. Didn't he also say that self-initiation is dangerous? How are you applying his teachings?

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 No.52153

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>>52150

I have been using mostly Guénon for the purpose of uncovering whatever Celtic Druidic doctrine I can possibly piece together. Evola has some interesting perspectives on the myth of the Grail which has had great utility as a resource for me to this aim.

Generally I agree, however Evola is only really pointing you towards where to find initiation. There is certainly danger in self initiation because of several anti traditional forces in our own perspective that we may take for granted. Guénon has a nice passage in TRofQ that expains this quite nicely:

"Many of those who criticise modern civilisation, from whatever point of view it is envisaged, one is always driven to the conclusion that everything seems to be increasingly artificial, denatured, and falsified. Many of those who criticise modern civilisation, even when they do not know how to carry the matter any further and have not the least suspicion of what really lies behind it. A little logic should, it seems, be enough to indicate that if everything has become artificial, the mentality to which this state of things corresponds must be "manufactured" and not spontaneous…"

And example of this is given earlier when he examines the Shamanic tradition. He writes:

"…but as soon as it becomes clear that the "shaman" directs his activity particularly towards the most inferior traditional sciences, such as divination, a very real degeneration must be suspected…"

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 No.52156

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>>52139

I didn't pick anything I let the universe do the choosing. I started with pic related since it was intriguing.

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 No.52163

>>52153

I see the druids as the yogis of Europe, so I would look at traditional yogic teachings to get an idea of what a druidic doctrine might have looked like, but even so, you'd never know for sure if you're doing it right.

Why did Guénon consider divination an inferior science? I think Evola had this prejudice too, towards certain magic practices, and I've never understood why exactly.

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 No.52167

>>52156

This image is sarcastic

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 No.52169

>>52163

"There are indeed some rather disquieting indications in that dirextion, one of them being the connection established between the "shaman" and an animal, a connection restricted to a single individual and so in no way assimilable to the collective connection rightly or wrongly called "totemism"."

This is Guénon's evidence for his claim. His problem with divination is that the focus on it has the shaman "cast his attention down" both literally and metaphorically to the material rather than the qualitative aspects of being and ultimately achieving transcendence. He goes on to point out:

"The shamans quite naturally distinguish two kinds, one benefic and the other malefic…"

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 No.52170

>>52169

Cont.

"…they pay attention almost exclusive to the latter."

"But there is never any question of a "cult" devoted to the malefic influences, which would be a sort of conscious "satanism","

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 No.52171

Man it''s the golden age for anything. Basicly. Or you could slap some bronze on there. Chrome sounds fun too.

Let''s go behind whatevers beyond. Surely unexpected.

Now back, ok we go. Onward, out of sight.

Hi8de in plain sight.,5

Where the dimming shadows of fright cast an ominous light9

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That''s good., Noiw fuck n e a y kd ggoymi=knoe xd

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 No.52176

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>>52126

This post. It taunts me. I've been looking over some ancient history and have been coming to the conclusion that there were some watcher or annunaki that were experts in magic while all of the best magical traditions of today are simply a cargo cult in comparison.

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 No.52180

>>52176

Yeah, it becomes quite obvious once you've opened your mind to it. It's only our cultural conditioning and religious beliefs that prevent people from seeing it.

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 No.52183

>>52167

What makes it sarcastic?

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 No.52458

We have lots of books and the freedom to use those books. The problem is that most of those books are bad, and freedom in spiritual pursuits can often be harmful. If magic were easy to use successfully, then it would immediately be stamped out by the temporal powers. The reason such oppressions don't happen in modern days is because of the lack of gurus and magi. It used to be that any mundane could go study for a few years under a master, and after those few years he could do some basic magic. You can't really do that nowadays. Nearly all the teachers are scammers, pure-philosophers, or are only capable of very unimpressive magic. Damn the Crowley books and what-have-you. I'd prefer the original Rosicrucians to modern "spirituality."

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 No.52465

>>52458

Wait, wtf am I saying? Magicians are still persecuted. It's just done under the guise of mental health. Have you ever read stories about mental hospitals, and wondered why they're so bad? It's because they're purposefully trying to ruin people with spiritual abilities.

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 No.52484

>>52465

People in power naturally oppress those below them. Once magical people were made into pariahs normies couldn't help but abuse them. The initial demonization of magical people might have been performed by people other than normies though.

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 No.52500

It's not a bad argument Op, but as a counter-argument:

Few believe in it, meaning magical services like used to exist in pre-Christian Europe have little to no monetary value. Given the typically intense dedication most craft requires to be of any practical use, not being able to rely on it even for side money is a serious problem since you'll also have to have a career which may or may not provide a lifestyle conducive to said dedication.

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 No.52657

>>52095

This is the most materialistic era in all of history. According to what I've heard the act of "magic" requires total belief in order to work, and that is impossible when we're all told "it don't real" all your life.

While the information is freely available, it is just words without proper context. The English language has been perverted and dumbed down so much in the past century the average reader wouldn't even be able to understand the meaning the authors of those ancient texts were conveying.

We're living in a spiritual dark age where most people are fedoras.

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 No.52658

>>52657

And also the texts were apparently written cryptically to obscure the meaning behind the words, requiring people to be initiated in what ever group created the text to even understand them.

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 No.52663

>>52657

>total belief in order to work

David Icke. No it doesn't. Anyone who tells you this is gatekeeping. It needs a bit of belief, but more important is the suspension of disbelief. To simply be open and confident that it all works out.

>proper context

The proper context is life and the propagation of it. Whether that be controlled or free is a different matter. It's about, and always has been about power.

>most people are fedoras

<t. fedora

>>52658

Yes and no. Much of it is cryptic to ward off tourists and to only attract the dedicated. However, another reason that much of it is cryptic and metaphorical is because there comes a point in spiritual undertakings where language fails in large parts, and pictures and analogies are often the easiest way to reproduce them.

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 No.52682

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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 No.52699

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>>52103

All eras have there own unique challenges. It is up to you to overcome them, or would you rather go back to sleep?

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 No.52702

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Golden age for magic magic?

Not in the slightest, much ancient knowledge has been fully forgotten, changed and misinterperted, and and all truth's are mocked and shot down. Any time someone debates it they get written off immediately.

The few tricks out there that work are pretty basic, even if you can ascend you're still literally bound to this world, it's a hobby if nothing else.

Golden age for le magic?

Sure, you're allowed to practice your Pagan ritual rites as much as you'd like.

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 No.52759

Open the Bible and get to the part about Noah. That's where we are.

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 No.53797

>>52702

If magic exists why don't we apply the scientific method to it and rediscover it. Science is not inherently anti magic, it's just a method of exploring the world once you peel off all the dogma and atheistic anti-spiritualism that's been tacked onto the idea of "science". I'ma gonna do some of reading suggested on here , if it's feasible to do this shit any of us should be able to figure it out

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 No.53802

>>53797

I think Aleister Crowley had a similar idea - 'the method of science, the aim of magic' or something like that. I'm not so sure that science is compatible with magic. The scientific method requires that you test your hypothesis under controlled conditions, and in order for your results to be considered valid, it must be possible for other scientists to replicate the experiment.

But what if there's something inherently personal about magic, and no way for us to establish a clear cause and effect because everything happens on a deeper (or higher) level of reality, and no way to reliably predict the outcome of a ritual… how are we going to apply the scientific method to it?

Just like scientific theories can become inadequate in the face of new evidence, and certain models can be useful sometimes but not always (think of newtonian physics), perhaps the scientific method is not compatible with magic - despite being a tremendously effective way of investigating the physical world.

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 No.53915

>>53802

Soo… You're saying there is no way to validate magic. This is exactly why nooone believes it's real, because there's no way to prove it because it's "incompatible" with a basic method of understanding the world

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 No.53924

>>53915

>TempleOS

Legit 3rd Temple of God. You can talk to God through it.

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 No.57660

>>52100

while you're correct that it requires you to be in the right confluence of metaphysical position and physical position, the mind is the instrument through which the soul sees the world. So in our concurrent lifetimes, when we begin to notice the pattern of the cosmos be place markers for our souls to recognize in future lifetimes to show them the way, like an early human burying a cache of water to retrieve later or marking the place where the edible plants bloom in the warm times. When religion was invented around 12,000 years ago (a really useful technology, as important as fire) the primary discovery was the ability of souls to communicate with eachother during life instead of just in between, the few who could manage this feat became the first priests, often hereditary. Only a small percentage of souls will be in the right place with the right mindset to begin the road to enlightenment within a human lifetime, however they now become a vector through which enlightenment can be sought through initiation. What's interesting however is the fact that souls receiving initiation retain it after death, with all the baggage that the terms of initiation entails. Usually the knock-on effects of initiation die off in the next lifetime and the soul is now on the path to true self-reincarnation.

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 No.57661

>>57660

to continue, I recommend everyone who is considering initiation into a magical order to first take the time to go remember your previous human life and figure out if you were initiated at any point in the last 5 lives, it could be even more distant and still be used if you practiced heavily during that lifetime. Then, study various initiation rituals for magical orders to divine the principles behind them, make a custom one for yourself and use it, connecting the rod from your past life to the forming rod from the ritual, making it one continuous piece.

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 No.57666

>>57661

Any particular reading you would suggest on this matter?

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