>>50691
>Upper class men used to wear make-up and wigs, and skin-tight pants.
Yes, in the 1700s.
And more often than not, those people were effeminate. They rarely had to work; they had serfs and slaves for that. They could spend all day fulfilling their hedonistic desires.
>He thinks that I believe long hair = feminine
Tell that to Kevin Nash, or Paul Levesque, or Mark Calaway, and see how long you last. Sure they have little in the way of actual fighting background, but they don't need to; their imposing physique is usually enough. Long hair on its own isn't feminine. You can be jacked like a motherfucker and have hair long enough to use as a ladder.
>This idea that manly men need to look a very specific way is relatively recent
What definition are you using in terms of "recent"? There's a very well known picture of boxer Mike Conley from the late 1800s that bear the archetypes of what I'd deem manly. Then you proceed into the world wars and on both sides, particularly America and Germany, all the propaganda showed strong males once more in this archetype. Chiseled jaws. Radiant, short hair that has been styled nonetheless. Toned chests. Bulging arms.
>David Bowie for example was a "real man"
That fucked Mick Jagger, but do go on.
>Caring about your appearance is not inherently a feminine trait
YES IT IS.
Present day niggers spend thousands on shoes they're never going to wear, pride themselves on "bling", and continue to buy eyesore modifications for their car. All in the name of caring over their appearance. Though they may not look it, they are buying into effeminate behavior, pure and simple.
>I'm willing to bet that Bowie's testosterone level was higher than 95% of men alive today
Ah, I got it. You're trolling.
>>50692
In small European countries, maybe. Unless you refer to mainstream shit like the Big Four, which I doubt you are. NWA turned the music industry on its head and are the sole reason the "Explicit Content" sticker exists. Rap was an overnight cultural phenomenon accelerated, with zero doubt in my mind, by the metrosexuality psy-op. Because they came in at a time when very few mainstream acts (Phil Collins as perhaps the rare exception, and believe it or not, Freddie Mercury too) exuded a generally masculine image. Mercury only ever wore drag for that one music video to my knowledge, and it was entirely humorous due to the moustache he kept on throughout.
>>50695
And those guys' names? Albert Einstein.
And provided that anecdote is even real, what you are referring to are Juggalos. Cultural deviants from before even furries were established. Thanks to a party that some little shit named Marshall Mathers held in the mid 90s resulting in the group growing to hate him, they remain universally despised to this day by anyone who aren't them.