25fe1f No.16904243[Last 50 Posts]
From the standpoint of a company I get it, its a product that can generate a lot of profits with minimum effort and staff.
But why the fuck does it work, why are they so popular? Why do people let themselves get trapped by what is arguably one of the most predatory of systems?
There are plenty of better games that are available on "smart"phones that don't gate progression behind stamina systems and paywalls. Not to mention the metric tone of classics available via emulators so you'd still have to deal with the terrible control scheme.
I figured to ask this here since this is the /v/ that allows threads about this garbage. Try mot to use this thread as an excuse to complain of having gachashit generals though, lest the devourer of cakes throw a fit
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cdb122 No.16904255
Spin the wheel, get a prize. A shame a lot of people get addicted to the rush of the possibility they might get something good their next try. Fucking shit is even becoming a recurring plot in doujins, with whores trading sex for more gachafunds.
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9fb2c4 No.16904260
If you must know, the answer actually is gambling.
Coming from someone who plays gachashit and enjoys it while coming from a 'psychological background' (not me, actually, but one of my parents, so fuck if I don't get the terms wrong) so I'm at least nominally aware of the stunts they are pulling.
The games are specifically designed to trigger a rush and then stop the player before they come off of it, but stopping them in a way that it's made sure the player knows that 'in X amount of time it will open back up'. Because they didn't come off of that rush normally, they still instinctively remember that rush, and return when the timer ends to get back to that rush moment. When the game just does it again. And Again. And Again. Ad nauseum. This formula actually works outside of gacha, too.
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dd115d No.16904267
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6b31ed No.16904270
There is no appeal, just psychological tricks. Anyone who plays gachashit should just kill themselves.
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1465df No.16904273
As far as I know games like FGO 's main appeal is its characters and they're designs. FGO niggers are nothing more but waifufags who will literally spend $100-1000s, just to get another generic anime face bitch in an erotic outfit. I generally believe that in this day in age of gaming that the standard for a game's quality and worth has lowered.
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1465df No.16904275
>>16904273
their*
im tired as fuck
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dc60e9 No.16904276
I could understand it if the gameplay was actually good, but most of the time it's boring as shit or a bastardization of the source's design. Despite that, it still makes a fat mint. I would chock it up to franchise investment and abuse of human nature.
Just be glad you're not addicted and hope your favorite franchise isn't next on the chopping block.
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cdb122 No.16904298
>>16904260
Yeah, pretty much anything with random drops functions similarly. MMOs being especially prone to it, even more-so when competing with other people wanting the same shit when there's a huge loot table and only a few pieces of it drop per kill per day/week.
>>16904276
>hope your favorite franchise isn't next on the chopping block.
Mine already got a mobileshit gachashit reboot. An actual proper new entry was euthanized for it. Said reboot already died as well. And yet other companies keep trying to do the same with their own franchises, hoping to capture them a bit of the Granblue/FGO pie. I guess it says a lot that chasing a new fanbase on an entirely different platform who have likely never played or cared for the older, actual games is deemed more profitable than the existing fans of how the work used to be.
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cdb122 No.16904299
>>16904298
>An actual proper new entry was euthanized for it.
Aborted, rather. Great fucking anniversary celebration there.
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25fe1f No.16904304
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>>16904255
But gambling at least has an actual physical reward, Why are people doing this for jpegs that will just dissapear when the server goes down
>Fucking shit is even becoming a recurring plot in doujins, with whores trading sex for more gachafunds.
>>16904276
> hope your favorite franchise isn't next on the chopping block.
Its too late for that
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bf6854 No.16904314
>>16904304
Jpegs are not in any way less valuable than garbage from claw machines.
The sooner you come to grips with this, the easier time you'll have.
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cdb122 No.16904327
>>16904304
At least with Tales, Bamco more or less keeps the actual series to console and handheld, and uses mobileshit escort titles to build interest in possible new fans before effectively telling them to go get an actual system if they want the real games. Doesn't exactly excuse pandering to whales with Tales of Cards Evolve or whatever the fuck it was, but at least they didn't shitcan making actual entries in the series in order to do so. Now, whether or not the actual recent games are good, and if the series needs to be shitcanned anyhow, seems up for debate.
>>16904314
Agreed, especially when they can just be ripped/screenshot and spread for free online. But try convincing the backers of stuff like Shekel Yidizen about the actual value of their jpgs.
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25fe1f No.16904334
>>16904314
>claw machines
I was thinking more the realm of casino games as there is an incredibly minuscule chance of actually walking away with more than you walked in with
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6b31ed No.16904343
>>16904334
>as there is an incredibly minuscule chance of actually walking away with more than you walked in with
There is a zero chance with gachashit, considering jpegs are worthless
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9ee8c6 No.16904349
Dunno what to say
Been playing GBF for like 3 or 4 years. Never put a penny in there
All i got was through event grinds, or seasonal free rolls
But teh game eventually starts feeling more like a chore to uncap shit, or "improve" your grids
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c40da7 No.16904374
>Whats the appeal of gachashit?
The same appeal as krokodil: None.
It's just retard subhumans with nigger-tier taste in everything that love to spend their free time in destructive ways.
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a6e3d9 No.16904388
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It's literally the same shit as lootboxes; it's gambling, baked into the game's design. It exists purely so they can milk thousands of dollars out of idiots to maximize profits whilst minimizing work.
>>16904276
>I could understand it if the gameplay was actually good, but most of the time it's boring as shit or a bastardization of the source's design.
The game is supposed to be "barely fun", as otherwise there would be no incentive to pay micro-transactions to make the game "more fun".
If you're wondering why gachashit feels so weird to you whilst all the casuals are eating that shit up; casuals have fucking shit taste and don't know what a good videogame is like. You probably have a whole list of good videogames you'd fall back on if nothing decent comes out, whilst casuals only play whatever is "in" right now.
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dffeab No.16904408
Good to snag in those whales and piggy banks with little self control while putting in as little effort as possible. It would also be a good way to launder money if some criminal enterprise hasn't already done that.
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0769f5 No.16904409
The appeal is to make 20 separate generals on /v/ because Mark is a mobile scum poster.
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eb14ec No.16904412
>>16904243
They got good art, which brings you in the door, but it uses gambling addiction mechanics to keep you invested.
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cdb122 No.16904421
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6763ce No.16904450
Dota did it supposedly ok, where it has little effect on the gameplay, yet now some skins are truly over the top.
Vermintide 2 has opening chests which has no pay elements but still takes up a ton of time. Like a freetoplay feature that was never fully realized.
Counter strike is also ok as it has little effect on gameplay but already makes people look like clowns.
These are not games that are barely fun, but it is there anyway. Maybe it can be viewed as an extra to extend the multiplayer life of a game and milk some extra cash when it is a full game. The above three examples are unlike f2p trash that wall you off content without buying, yet for 2 of them gachashit is still relevant and financially a plus to the developer.
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7eee5e No.16904451
Because gambling is addictive and a big focus of the product, It's gambling avaiable to everybody, even the underage
It's also cartoony mediocrity with a mish mash of designs in the vein of Assfaggots.
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154c10 No.16904461
It's a textbook example of a skinnerbox. Furthermore it's a skinnerbox with randomness so it's even more of a trap. Its players are idiots who don't see that a "game" where the biggest gate to progress is the numbers from a slot machine is not a game worth playing.
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ed6498 No.16904468
>get a jpeg of a cute girl
>cute girl jpeg comes with a voice
>some kind of a story involved
>talks to you directly
That's it.
That's all there is to it. If some dumbass starts throwing thousands at the screen to get one specific girl, that's his problem.
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44af51 No.16904475
It's two things. A large part of the audience for gacha are people who "don't have time" for "normal" games, whether that's due to work or being too tired or lazy to pick up a controller after work, so rather than spending money on vidya, and because they don't know what emulators are, they play and spend money on gacha instead. The other thing is, as has been said before on this thread, the addictive gambling elements, which, combined with waifufagging encourage players to spend more and more money to get their cute anime girl jpeg.
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6763ce No.16904485
>>16904475
>>16904461
>>16904451
This is true when it applies to f2p games that have little to no alternative income.
But think of it in another way
>dev
>want to ensure your game lives longer
>too much of a cunt to allow modding because *muh intellectual property*
>how do I increase the logevity of my game now ? People will be tired of multiplayer within 3 months
>I know, f2p elements that I can earn extra from and are the default food of the twitch crowd
>f2p elements and lootboxes or skins it is !
This works for games with solid income as well. CS:GO Vermintide 2 or is the default for f2p/p2w games such as Dota,Path of Exile, etc etc
These also end up the better practices when compared to other game that just wall off content behind a constant fuckhuge grind.
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dadd96 No.16904526
>Try not to use this thread as an excuse to complain of having gachashit generals though
>fortnite children
BANNED!
>overwatch numales
BANNED!
>LoL faggots
BANNED!
>chink spin-the-wheel gambling addicts, the literal lowliest and most loathsome form of video game consumer on earth
WELCOME ABOARD! MAKE LOTS OF THREADS!
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617c08 No.16904531
>>16904475
Only times ever considered getting into gacha.
>long stretches of boredom on train
>found twiddling thumbs at work and coworker busted out his phone
Emulating old games are weird, because they expect you to play in more regimented chunks then gatcha. For instance, playing the mobile port of FFT was better then emulating, just due to controls/ability to pause, save and exit.
Biggest problem was that the one gacha that looked the most interesting to me was data mining for China.
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dc60e9 No.16904727
>>16904304
There's a fucking digimon gacha game?
inb4 street fighter or soul caliber gacha game. Each character will have like 3 moves and be laggy as shit, can't wait.
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177aca No.16904743
>>16904255
>Fucking shit is even becoming a recurring plot in doujins, with whores trading sex for more gachafunds.
It's time to give the sauce anon.
>>16904727
>>16904276
Weren't Medabots and Bomberman revived as Gachashit recently?
Someone told me there's even a WWE gacha
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0dc411 No.16904754
To me it was visuals. The only gacha game I ever payed for was Tinier Me since there were so many cool visuals you could add to your character. Couple that with collabs done with animes/series of the time, and it would look pretty cool to the me of the time.
Only other gacha game I play is Sennen Aigis, but that is such a good game and is highly playable without paying any money whatsoever.
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1b4662 No.16904774
>>16904531
>Emulating old games are weird, because they expect you to play in more regimented chunks then gatcha
Then use a savestate/quicksave (i.e. savestate that deletes itself upon loading). It's not rocket science.
>>16904727
>There's a fucking digimon gacha game?
Not just one, but 3. Latest one came out half a year ago (in the west).
>>16904526
>>16904749
Those threads are nuked when cancer starts brewing or the thread strays from topic, frequently both.
There were numerous Deltarune threads when the demo dropped, but they all stayed on topic and went without issue. When all discussion was had and every last detail was brought up and examined they knew to quit when they were ahead, before cancer, shitposting, and furfaggotry started to set in.
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0f04c9 No.16904782
>>16904749
>allow all kinds of cancer to flood /v/
No thanks. A line should be drawn, and one kind of is, it's just that gachafags somehow aren't included despite being the worst group of them all.
Deltarune can stay, just ban the fagposters.
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25fe1f No.16904823
>>16904727
pretty sure there's 2
>fightan gacha
Skulgirls and Kof have one
a coworker has told me about a DMC one
>>16904743
>Weren't [Insert old series here] revived as Gachashit recently?
It makes me wish Corona was deadlier.
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6b31ed No.16904866
>>16904749
>The moment you start banning video games
We're not talking about video games though.
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2f05da No.16904910
It's a Skinner box. Normalfags do not think, they consume because they're conditioned for it. Even autists like weebs can be lured in through waifufaggotry (Fate, Granblue, etc.) and pretending they are achieving success by clicking a button to autobattle a.k.a. spin slots. It's nothing new, it's just really easy to disseminate it on phones.
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6b31ed No.16904921
>>16904901
No I don't, you are acting like gachashit is video games.
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103cc5 No.16904926
>>16904910
>even autists like weebs
What do you mean "even", the whole reason gacha exists is because of weebs.
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004f59 No.16904942
>>16904926
>How are Japs weebs if it's their own shit?
Besides games like clash of clans and Candy Crush exist without Japanese development.
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508fa9 No.16904952
>>16904921
It is a video game, mobile shit is still video games.
Shit like honkai Impact is gachashit and yet very clearly a fucking video game.
I honestly don't understand your point and you're acting like a sperg.
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5ff821 No.16904953
>>16904421
>using feature of this imageboard without my personal permission
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103cc5 No.16904954
>>16904942
>How are Japs weebs if it's their own shit?
Fair enough, Otakus then.
>clash of clans and Candy Crush exist without Japanese development.
Yes but the concept of gacha comes from Japan and anime merch.
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e22171 No.16904976
>>16904942
>>16904954
A fair number of gacha games are actually chinese, even if they hire japanese to do the art and voices
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6b31ed No.16905031
>>16904952
>>16904921
It's not any more video games than an interactive pachinko machine is video games. It's gambling pretending to be video games.
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762412 No.16905042
>>16904952
>Thinks mobile shit is video games and not spyware.
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dc60e9 No.16905050
>>16904823
>Skullgirls
The failure of those skullgirls cabs must've hit Mike pretty hard.
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6b31ed No.16905052
>>16905049
Not gachashit. I hope you get help for your addiction.
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762412 No.16905094
>>16905049
This fag actually spends hours addicted to HER phone.
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4b6e22 No.16905099
Reminder that Capcom revived Breath of Fire only to ensure it never comes back with this trash genre.
>>16905050
I'm pretty sure the gacha exists because Lab Zero didn't own the Skullgirls, their former publisher Autumn Games does and it was them who worked on the mobile title with LINE and later some other company.
Either way the only good news to come out of this is that after years, Lab Zero and Autumn are working together to bring a new character to the mobile game. So maybe this means that same character will roll over into the fighting game and they can breath some life into the only product they have that's worth while.
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fde153 No.16905181
>>16905050
>>16905099
Off-topic, and you probably aren't one of them, but I hate how so many retards view Mike as the creator of Skullgirls when it was Alex Ahad who made the world, characters, and story.
Even more annoying when we know that Mike censored the more risque designs and animations that Ahad had for the game, judging from an old forum post. Then he got panty shots toned down in an update long after the game came out, presumably to get some WOKE clout, which is what turned /v/ against the game. I hope it never gets a sequel and the gacha game stagnates so he can't ruin it any further.
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cdb122 No.16905210
>>16905099
>Reminder that Capcom revived Breath of Fire only to ensure it never comes back with this trash genre.
Same with Sony and Wild Arms and Arc the Lad. And Square-Enix and Valkyrie Profile and Star Ocean. And Sega and Phantasy Star being the latest casualty. Though admittedly I'm not sure off the top of my head how many of those are just mobile reboots and which are also gachashit.
Surprised Konami hasn't jumped on that train and dumped Suikoden on there.
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9ee8c6 No.16905218
>>16905210
Theres no escape anon. That niche IP you used to like will soon be another gacha game
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284d4e No.16905231
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>>16905210
Konami already used it for the original gachashit: pachinko slots.
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4b6e22 No.16905242
>>16905181
>I hope it never gets a sequel
I don't share that sentiment only because, while Skullgirls is far from my ideal fighting game (I don't do tag fighters in general) and how they handled their PR is atrocious. There were a few interesting characters in the game that have stuck with me like Painwheel, Parasoul, Squigly, and Robo Fortune. And proposed characters like Isaac being a time traveler that assisted himself, Marie who used fallen characters to power up, and Molly who provides unique buffs and assists for her DHC all sounded like just the 2nd wave the game needed to really improve the roster. Regardless of my feelings towards Mike and the rest of the "get woke" crew within Lab Zero. Skullgirls is still a competently made fighting game and I hope that they at least come back around to add in the last few characters needed to complete the main story mode.
That being said Alex was already canned from Lab Zero last December so whatever is going on with the mobile game might be the last of their "additions" to the brand. Just a shame the gacha is getting that honor.
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d070d3 No.16905275
>>16904243
"My lootboxes are ok because they have waifus in them instead of weapon skins"
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a84db3 No.16905288
>>16905049
Gachashit isn't video games. And defining something as video games in even the loosest sense doesn't make it acceptable at all. It doesn't matter if it IS a video game in even the loosest sense, because it's not designed to be fun, just to take your money by tricking your head into a dopamine loop.
You don't buy fun in a video game. You buy a video game to have fun. If you buy them at all, anyway.
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25fe1f No.16905320
>>16905210
Please no, I've already had 3 of them fall prey. My last hold out is about to get a game and i'm honestly dreading it already
Worse yet it could be paraded around in its decrepid like Langriser and have a remake made with the mobile game's assets
>>16905242
I would have been interested in a sequel if Ahad hadn't been fired. Your right that SG is a competent fightan though I have issues with loosing a game to chip damage because a character can effectively fill the entire screen with projectiles with her super. The world is his and its a shame that mismanagement stopped from even fully telling the main story.
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ce28a8 No.16905327
You probably have "gachashit" in your own life, all of you. Do you eat junk food/sweets all of the time? That's gachashit, and your actual physical health suffers. Do you have more clothing than you actually use? That's gachashit. Do you have a smartphone? Gachashit. Cologne or body spray? Gachashit. Do you use a dishwasher? Gachashit. Do you pay for haircuts instead of letting your hair grow out or no-guard shaving your head? Gachashit. Are you overweight? Gachashit. Do you own pets? Gachashit. Drug user? Gachashit.
Gachashit is a part of life for most people. It is just a deficiency in rational, logical thinking. Most people are addicted to gachashit in some form or another. Welcome to a gachashit world. You are a gachashitter.
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103cc5 No.16905329
>>16905327
>Do you eat junk food/sweets all of the time?
How the fuck is that gachashit? When I buy a pack of chips I know that there's going to be chips inside, when I order a burger at McDonald's, I get served a burger.
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ce28a8 No.16905330
>>16905329
Go back to bing bing wahoo-ing, kid.
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177aca No.16905331
>>16905327
What the fuck is this post? Anon are you drunk?
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66c94c No.16905334
>>16905327
On a scale of 1 to 10, how many extra chromosomes do you have?
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e09dd2 No.16905335
>>16905329
>when I order a burger at McDonald's, I get served a burger.
or so they say.
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a84db3 No.16905338
>>16905327
>Junk food
Only because it's all I can get on break during work since I can't buy healthy shit from my store because we cut produce out of the inventory and all the "healthy" shit is microwavable and I need more time to eat that. During lunch I eat a pre-prepared meal, which I recently quit doing because the communal freezer is both disgusting and the virus made it unfeasible to continue using, so I buy a simple and cheap rice or soup microwavable instead, keeping a tab on the sodium content and choosing the least harmful brands. Why? Because I care about what I consume and how it effects me.
>Clothing
I use all of my clothing and only buy more when they're torn. I like collecting silly t-shirts, but I don't spend more then I need to.
>Smartphone
Because you actually need it to function in society since most everything in regards to even jobs requires that you link up your phone. For example, in order to get my schedule for work, I need to use the app, since they intentionally change up the font to become unreadable on a printout in order to shovel people towards the app, and the other option is taking photos of my digital schedule, which requires a smartphone. Nowhere I know sells flip phones anymore either. And I don't care what kind of phone it is as long as it's functional.
>Haircuts
If you shave your head you look like a criminal in american society and it's a great way to not get a job, likewise not having a good haircut or letting it grow out like a slob. Haircuts are especially important for men in order to fit in and not be singled out immediately on a first impression.
>Overweight
Used to be slightly overweight, but that's because I didn't have a job that constantly exercised me every day, and gym memberships are expensive and were pointless and by your desperate logic would be gachashit since it costs money.
>Do you own pets
Yes. They're also my parents' and taking care of pets is unlike a gambling addiction because you're thinking about another being's wellbeing instead of your own dopamine urges.
>Drug user
Never did it, and no one I know glorifies it or likes it. In fact, a druggie kid was hired onto the job and few people interacted with him, because they're not unlike gamblers. They constantly push their lifestyle because they'e trying to justify their bad life choices.
You are an addict. You're lashing out badly and I know you're better then that. You know more then I how your habits aren't justifiable in your own self harm and mental degredation.
Please get help. No one here will help you, they will only mock you, and I am also mocking you in some small way.
I literally work on the bottom rung of society and I treat myself better then you do. And I have actual crippling depression. Nut the fuck up.
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ce28a8 No.16905339
>>16905338
t. gachashitter
Take your pills and shut the fuck up, mentally retarded idiot.
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a84db3 No.16905341
>>16905339
You came from 4chan, which has a chinese gachashit thread up constantly, and you expected people to support your bad habits?
What, did you call someone a nigger twice, get banned, and came here instead? Go to reddit. Literally, they will support your bad habits until you kill yourself.
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cdb122 No.16905342
>>16905231
Figures.
>>16905320
I'd wager the next will be Lufia or Grandia..
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25fe1f No.16905343
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a84db3 No.16905344
>>16905210
Suikoden would be an ambitious game nowadays. 108 characters, a sprawling story depicting a war story with all the politics it implied, even the games themselves struggled as hard as they could to pull it off under limitation and managed to come out with gems each time.
It was one of those games that you knew had a passionate person behind it. A real bout of experimentation and a bevy of artists and meetings about fighting over their waifu characters to get them in the game. You could tell a bunch of women worked on the game series too based on some of the male characters too, actually.
I grew up on that wonderful mess, and in the wake of Konami's shitstorm with every other property, I believed it would be spared, but no.
It dies to uncaring gamblers. It dies to standard-less suits. I have a hate for gambling that matches my hate for druggies.
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cdb122 No.16905352
>>16905344
>It dies to uncaring gamblers. It dies to standard-less suits. I have a hate for gambling that matches my hate for druggies.
Sounds like what happened with Shadow Hearts, really, though depending on who you ask, Nautilus sadly might have had it coming to them.
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1c202b No.16905353
>>16904243
Depends a lot on the game, I wanted something quick to play during short breaks and I've been looking into mobile games for a while.
Energy restrictions, a focus on PvP, excessive grind are all signs of a trash addiction machine. Some games even manage to get people to spend a ton in order to compete in PvP. Summoner's War for example had an invitational tournament where all the 12 finalists were asians with a 200k US dollars account.
I ended up playing Granblue because it had cute jpgs, nice voice acting and a good pacing for its events. I don't really care about the gacha since I only roll when I can get a guaranteed character and treat everything else is a bonus.
I've been playing for a bit over 3 years now and it's got nothing to do with addiction, enslavement, sunk cost fallacy or whatever. I actually enjoy the turn-based gameplay, putting together teams to clear out specific raids, the characters and their interactions as well as the music and art. The overabundance of energy refill items make that entire thing pointless so I can play as much or as little as I want and being a PvE game means I can progress at my own pace without having to worry about getting new characters as fast as possible or shifts in the meta and whatnot.
3 years is quite a long time but I must admit it's been a very pleasing experience and I'm actually looking forward to playing more.
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6b31ed No.16905374
>>16905353
>it's got nothing to do with addiction
That's what all addicts say.
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508fa9 No.16905393
>>16905031
>It's gambling pretending to be video games.
Guess all those games that came out at the end of the last decade weren't video games at all.
>>16905042
Yes anon, I think a video game is a video game, regardless of it's quality it's still a video game.
Nice twitter meme btw.
>>16905052
>>16905094
>>16905288
>asked to define a video game
<can't define a video game
Ebin,
Like >>16904954 showed, gachashit isn't reserved to only video games, however a video game can have gacha like elements.
This is still a video game, it's using visual media to showcase a game that a player can interact through a visual screen, a video game.
Your arguments boil down to "it's not because I said so" kindergarten tier.
No one is arguing over it's quality or bad business practices, it's obviously shit and a shit practice, I'm arguing over it's definition which you anons are sperging out over and refusing to admit the basic truth.
It's like saying visual novels aren't video games, sure you can argue they are bad video games, but they are still a game with an objective and choices being interacted by a player through visual media.
It's the fucking text-book definition of a video game.
And you know what's the best part anons.
I have yet to install any mobile shit in my life.
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103cc5 No.16905395
>>16905353
>nothing to do with addiction
Nigger, gatcha games are literally build around addicting the player. Why do you think Daily Login Bonuses exist?
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ddfa41 No.16905416
>>16905393
Gatcha shit is not video games its a fucking gambling app for anime tits. If you think gatcha shit is video games you are an absolute waste of spunk and you, your family, all your friends and everyone you have ever met in real life need shot into the sun because you are less than human. Even niggers have more worth than you.
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508fa9 No.16905419
>>16905416
Mobile games are video games and therefor so are gacha games, being gacha has nothing to do with it, they simply are video games.
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ddfa41 No.16905423
>>16905419
>Mobile games are games.
Then fuck off and play some Candy Crush you unending faggot.
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14f115 No.16905424
>Whats the appeal of gambling?
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508fa9 No.16905426
>>16905423
Candy Crush is still a video game yes, it's terribly shitty but it's still a video game.
How much of a low IQ suburban nigger do you have to be to not understand this basic shit.
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f2cc86 No.16905430
>>16905423
>Mobile games are games
>games are games
You are so fucking stupid.
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ddfa41 No.16905438
>>16905430
Thats like saying the Very Hungry Caterpillar is a work of serious literature. You iphone fags need the rope. Then gas. Then more rope.
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6b31ed No.16905446
>>16905438
>Thats like saying the Very Hungry Caterpillar is a work of serious literature.
That's like Shakespeare compared to gachashit though.
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8f5c7a No.16905448
>>16905438
>>16905438
>video games need to be serious or artistic to be a video game
So fucking stupid.
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aad79b No.16905450
>autism over what is a video game
Gambling niggers and gachanigs deserve to be robbed of all their possesions, then forced to use a slot machine featuring cute anime tits to attempt winning their shit back.
While they're doing that, might as well find other ways to make use of them. Maybe harvest their organs or set up a network using their brains?
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ddfa41 No.16905451
>>16905448
>This newfag was brought to you by Raid Shadow Niggers.
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508fa9 No.16905452
>>16905438
Holy shit you autistic retard go read the definition of a fucking video game from jsut about anywhere and shut the fuck up.
>Thats like saying the Very Hungry Caterpillar is a work of serious literature
No it fucking isn't you fucking nigger.
The good thing about your posts is that I don't have to tell you to kill yourself because with your lack of intelligence it's only a matter of time until you fuck up and do it on some stupid fucking accident.
>>16905450
>Gambling niggers and gachanigs deserve to be robbed of all their possesions, then forced to use a slot machine featuring cute anime tits to attempt winning their shit back.
But it's still a video game.
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6b31ed No.16905453
>>16905450
>or set up a network using their brains?
>implying addict brains are good for anything but animal food
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aad79b No.16905455
>>16905452
Did I say they aren't, retard, or are you having a spergout and think I am the guy you've been arguing with using a VPN?
Video game or not, my previous post still stands. Strip the gambling and gachaniggers of all their possesions, then force them to attempt winning it back.
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508fa9 No.16905463
>>16905455
With the implication of your previous post I thought you were making a point of it. Apologies if I jumped to conclusions.
Gachashit is shit for a reason, there's shit in the name even.
Now that I compared gachashit to lootbox garbage more I'll honestly say that I prever the existance of gachashit, simply because that shit exists in a vacuum while lootbox garbage infests just about everything.
Though I suppose lootboxes are the westernized version of gacha, so the root of the problem is still gachashit.
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5e3f6a No.16905467
>>16905452
>Gets baited multiple times over mobile games.
>Seriously spazzes out
>Thinks he can call other people autistic niggers.
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df58e0 No.16905473
The incredible emotional stories that move us to tears.
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e6d39e No.16905485
>>16904531
>Biggest problem was that the one gacha that looked the most interesting to me was data mining for China.
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e6d39e No.16905492
>>16905485
Fug, can't delete because Van'wahtech.
What I wanted to say is that it's a shame that the only game about lots of girls with guns I know of is a chink mobile game.
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b53471 No.16905512
>>16904485
<sure it's gambling, skinnerboxing and shit game design
<but at least it makes more money and can trap retards into playing it for far too long
>People will be tired of multiplayer within 3 months
Then make a better multiplayer.
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df42c7 No.16905525
Does anyone know any gatchashit games that are very f2p friendly.
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5e3f6a No.16905574
>>16905525
>Does anyone know any gatchashit games that are very f2p friendly.
A stray cat. Adopt one. Fantastic gambling opportunities to be had. You never know if it will piss in your shoes, fuck up your table legs or scratch you and give you cat aids.
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e6d39e No.16905601
>>16905473
>$70K
And I thought Star Citizen drones were the biggest
Jpeg buyers on Earth.
I should make a spaceship waifu gacha game and rake in the millions.
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4b6e22 No.16905615
>>16905473
>"Some people spend $18 on a movie and feel moved"
>"I've spent $70,000 on 'Fate/Grange Order. But it moves me"
This right here is some next level cope.
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ed6498 No.16905628
>>16905525
Granblue Fantasy.
It's semi-decent on the surface and they give away free stuff all the time, but it also gets VERY repetitive which is my main issue with it.
Don't actually play gachashit unless you're seriously depressed, there are way better games out there.
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fde153 No.16905630
>>16905473
How can FGO be Sony's most profitable game, with lewd girls all throughout it, and yet they still want to censor all the games on their platform. It boggles the mind.
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177aca No.16905639
>>16905630
All companies attempt of virtue signalling die in front their true god known as profit.
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8b0297 No.16905646
>>16905630
Because nips and otakus have very low standards you have to be a pathetic faggot who finds no value in his own life to actually think that an obtaining animated jpeg in a gamble is worth something. As much as I love Raikou I would never play fgo to obtain her when I can just buy a figure or doujinshis.
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770e4f No.16905648
>>16905525
tfw someone answers your question in this thread. I.e., me.
>>16904754
Never paid once, have reached endgame with a bunch of black rarity units and can do prettty much anything. Also, they're pretty liberal with free sacred crystals.
The American company Nutaku which brought it to North America were bastards though. So much so that the game was shut down after a couple years. tl;dr just play the JP version on DMM18.
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c57290 No.16905670
If you've ever defended a shitty game because of anime tits you have no right to criticize Gacha. And that's a gamer fact.
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a84db3 No.16905727
>>16905670
>Yo if you're against censorship you're not against gambling
The absolute chode with his retarded logic somehow found his way out of his pants-home to post on this board, what an honor
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c2acb0 No.16905937
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16905525
Gundam Battle Operation 2. Actually fun to play and the gatcha is pretty fair. The worst thing is that it's stuck on the PS4. A PC version would be nice.
Vid is from a good player using an Efreet Kai which is a strong melee suit.
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42aeb2 No.16905965
>>16905630
They can have their cake and eat it when they have drones like the .webm to throw money at them and defend them online. That's why gatchashit should be banned from discussion because it enables cancer and it's defenders further into the industry and other franchises.
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010d92 No.16905985
>>16905727
quit getting baited, anon
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25fe1f No.16907280
>>16905525
>implying a game designed to be addicting and predatory in an attempt to get you to spend money is friendly
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7f5aeb No.16907281
>>16904243
it's gambling and it appeals to gambling addicts just like loot crates.
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e75f90 No.16907312
>>16904243
Waifufags are literal subhumans who have no shame or dignity. Do you honestly feel bad for them? I don't. They enjoy being exploited by unscrupulous companies.
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61a2b9 No.16907333
>>16907312
Most gacha games pander to shippers and people who want cute interactions between the characters there aren't that many true waifufag gacha unless you look at dmm's store.
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8e5e7c No.16907863
>>16905327
>Y-you guys aren't any better, you're all addicts like me!!1!!!
Even if your argument wasn't complete nonsense, I don't even do any of those things you listed. How does it feel to be a gachawhore?
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8e5e7c No.16907882
>>16905353
>it's got nothing to do with addiction
Tell me how much you spent on the game so far, and I'll consider believing you.
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8e5e7c No.16907887
>>16905339
>Take your pills and shut the fuck up, mentally retarded idiot.
>Says the guy that's addicted to blowing money on jpegs
Try taking your own advice.
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64472d No.16907899 
>>16905327
>If you live a poor lifestyle it's likely you play gatchashit
Anon are trying to project your gatcha addiction so you justify playing gatchashit games on here?
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820925 No.16907920
You might not think it, but gacha and roguelikes have things in common. I've played a lot of roguelikes, in particular the Angband variants which favor a more cautious and methodical style of play than some of the others.
In a roguelike you need to adapt to the situation at hand. Maybe you go to dungeon level 1 and find a Phial of Galadriel. Maybe you don't. You could even get massively lucky and find early on something like Ringil that defines that particular playthrough and makes it different from the others. I enjoy that variety and need for adaptation. Gacha is like that, except you never need to start again from scratch because there is no permadeath and instead just accumulate stuff like playing a very long roguelike with lots of inventory slots where you never make that last mistake.
I got to playing Granblue Fantasy and I've spent exactly zero real money on it. Your playstyle depends on the units you draw. I'm at the point where the fun of adapting is actually somewhat hampered by too many options, but trying out the different options also brings longevity to the game.
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64472d No.16907934
>>16905473
>Jap spends 70000 on a shitty waifu game
>Lives with his parents
Ok I don't know much about Japanese lifestyle, but is it a common trope to live with your parents in Japan depsite financial income?
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f4a144 No.16908005
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26606f No.16908006
>>16907934
yep. They have a stronger nuclear family model there; it's not unheard of to have 4 generations living in one house
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b311ef No.16908027
>>16908006
This is called the "extended family" in countries that have been tricked into thinking family members should be kicked out as soon as they hit 18 (and should be forced into nursing homes as soon as they hit 65). It's perfectly normal everywhere else.
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eb14ec No.16908179
>>16908027
>nursing homes
They get a cut of what families are induced to spend on medical costs so they have an incentive to let your relative's health decline. All a part of the grand scheme to isolate and enslave the goyim, destroy the family and shackle the individual with debt to a barely-livable wage, living in a place where the rent is barely affordable. No savings, no property, no future.
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b311ef No.16908257
>>16908179
Nursing homes are a cancer that took root once we killed off the extended family: adults want to be "free" of their older relatives so they pay lots of money to throw them away, only to be thrown away themselves once they're old enough. It's amazing how much bullshit we've accepted as normal after inventing the idea of the "nuclear family". Instead of multiple generations living together with the older supporting the younger (and being supported in return once they retire), we pay strangers to give us a minimum of care from cradle to grave, then pretend it's somehow a better system. What a mess.
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5ff821 No.16908265
>"X" is not videogames according to my very autistic personal definition of videogames that no one else would give a shit about
Okay.
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f8554c No.16908324
>>16904243
Gachashit is a cuckchan thing. Therefore the fags here defending it must be from cuckchan.
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1c202b No.16908469
>>16907882
About 300 bucks, only for guaranteed pick characters. Over the course of 3 years it's still less than an MMO subscription and less than 2 new games a year.
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fde153 No.16908636
>>16905242
I remember that. So, Autumn Games owns the IP? It's never going to be good in any meaningful way without the actual creator on-board (and MikeZ stays away from it). What a shame. At least it didn't get milked and turned to shit like every other series, but I wish we got some more fleshed out before the potential was squashed.
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340da2 No.16908675
>>16908265
Best way to spot a whale gachafag who fills his void by shelling out money to mainland China to show anime girls on his phone.
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6b31ed No.16908785
>>16908469
>he paid 300 bucks on jpegs
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eb14ec No.16908790
>>16908469
>Over the course of 3 years it's still less than an MMO subscription and less than 2 new games a year.
Its also of less value, objectively speaking.
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1c202b No.16908814
>>16908790
On a money to entertainment value? Absolutely not. I'd much rather have more characters to play with in a game I'm enjoying than buy some boring flavor of the month title, play it for 6-8 hours and forget about it.
>>16908785
Technically true for any game you buy since you're paying for nothing but a few 3d models with jpgs on them that move on a screen.
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a1c2d9 No.16908843
I have spent not a single cent since Granblue gives free rolls, tickets and roulettes at any chance they get, and i get cute anime girls to sing me happy birthday when noone else did.
Thank you Chloe please sing it again
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9bd36f No.16908872
>>16908469
>300 bucks
W E W
>>16907920
>it's like a roguelike but with infinite grinding and without the ability to fuck up
Is this supposed to be a post defending gachashit or condemning it?
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e6d39e No.16908877
>>16908469
>300 bucks on jpegs
you're a fucking idiot, and that's coming from someone who actually grinds to not spend a dime on another mobileshit.
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73d1ff No.16908883
gacha is more pathetic than hardcore drug addiction, gambling, and (e)sports fandom.
just imagine how much wealth is being drained from "our" people by these worthless pursuits; it represents a collective exchange of our independence for literal worthlessness.
Its not a matter of "let idiots waste money idc", but rather "retards are empowering maniacal kikes that want to enslave me".
Kill your local gacha dealer.
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6b31ed No.16908887
>>16908877
You don't really have room to talk. There's not much difference between wasting your time or your money on gacha.
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1c202b No.16908894
>>16908877
Meh, it's the same as any DLC from any other game, it's not like 30 bucks a pop every 3-4 months burn a hole in my wallet anyway.
If that amount of money is that important to anyone maybe consider getting a better paying job.
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951d8b No.16908905
>>16908469
>insert post where I make myself feel superior to this anon, possibly with a smug chinese drawing
Put me in da screencap!!!
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42aeb2 No.16908915
>>16908469
Fuck off. The industry is in this state because dipshits like you hand over hundreds to low effort gambling shit like this.
>>16908877
And you're still fucking stupid too for wasting your time on it.
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561516 No.16908928
>>16908887
>>16908915
Claiming that gachagames are a waste of time is pure hypocrisy. Technically, all games are a "waste of time".
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ed7794 No.16908935
>>16908928
>der ewige Wal cries out it pain as it strikes you pulls a "no u"
fuggin ebin:–DD
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f16792 No.16908944
>>16908905
>he doesn't feel superiority over some fag who forked over 300 bucks for premade jpgs
Do you have any gacha purchases to confess, anon?
>>16908928
There's a difference between playing games to improve your skills and wasting away in skinnerboxes.
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561516 No.16908949
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>>16908944
Why do you think gachashit doesn't actually involve gameplay? Vid related. Do you think the player in this case hasn't practiced to improve her skills?
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42aeb2 No.16908956
>>16908928
Technically, everything that isn't food, water, or shelter is a waste of time so you can shove it up your ass with that comment. Your stupid addictions are influencing how other video games are developed which in turn determine how everyone else around you will "waste" their time with videogames. Stop your shit, you are wasting our time by filling our hobby with gatcha shit. I'm not here to approve of your mindless consumption of stupid addictions.
>>16908949
Did she use money before hand to get to the actual game part?
What did she do to unlock the stage?
Is there money that she has spent or can spend to get a better score on that level?
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4b6e22 No.16908964
>>16908894
> it's the same as any DLC from any other game
Not that anon, but I don't pay for DLC purely because if it's not in the base game or collected in a re-release. It's clearly not worth my time and extra money. Sometimes this burns like still not having played the bonus characters for Muramasa: Rebirth I will eventually hack my PSTV. But overall DLC is a pretty cancerous practice within the industry and there's no good reason to support it.
>If that amount of money is that important to anyone maybe consider getting a better paying job.
Why is this always seen as a good counterargument when people point out scummy business practices designed to milk players of their money? Doesn't matter if you work a 9-5 or leech off your parents when it comes to these addictive gaming models, most people are going to consider paying into Gacha a waste of time and money and honestly they are right to do so.
>>16908636
>So, Autumn Games owns the IP
As far as I can remember yes. When the mobile game came out Lab Zero had no part in it which is why the news of a new character has me interested on the future of Skullgirls.
<No playable Umbrella
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561516 No.16908970
>>16908956
I'm just really sick of /v/ as a whole just writing off gacha games as whole with hurr durr gambling for jpegs. There is actual gameplay here that requires actual skill. She didn't buy that perfect clear.
>Did she use money before hand to get to the actual game part? What did she do to unlock the stage? Is there money that she has spent or can spend to get a better score on that level?
I'll admit I don't know enough about that game to answer your questions, but does it matter if she did spend money to unlock the stage or to get to the gameplay? Yeah, most games cost money to play.
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951d8b No.16908972
>>16908944
I can rhetorically whittle any videogame down into as simple an argument as you make, too
<Harvest Moon
>He forked over almost (insert money count) for a game where you perform the equivalent of watching grass grow and you don't get anything in real life out of it such as actual agriculture skills
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42aeb2 No.16908977
>>16908964
>Why is this always seen as a good counterargument when people point out scummy business practices designed to milk players of their money?
Because they know you can't strangle them through the computer screen. If this was even uttered in public they would be publicly ostracized or beaten for having the audacity to make a statement like that.
>>16908970
You will continue to keep getting disrespected as long as games continue to get warped into less intuitive, tap on a screen, mobile gatcha games. The monitezation practice has not evolved the industry for the better. It has not improved videogame interactivity for the better. It has not treated cherished IPs that have been dragged into it for better. You have failed to answer the basic question of the thread being
WHAT IS THE APPEAL OF GATCHASHIT
From all the defenders of the thread it seems to be that it feeds their addictions at the cost of everything else that people loved about the videogame industry built itself upon.
And no "hurr durr you have to spend money on things in your life" is not a good excuse for accepting gambling shit into videogames
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561516 No.16908988
>>16908977
> It has not improved videogame interactivity for the better. It has not treated cherished IPs that have been dragged into it for better.
That's not exactly true. There are some aspects of mobile gaming that has been unique to the platform, like using GPS locations and the internet to fight over IRL locations on the go. And while I don't agree with the practice, I do think a vast majority of the "cherished IPs" that people love so much would never have seen the light of day again if companies didn't see the switch to mobile as the chance to make profit. You could say, oh, why not just make a good sequel, but we've seen how that has worked out time after time with fan beloved titles like Diablo and Pokemon.
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1c202b No.16908995
>>16908977
>Because they know you can't strangle them through the computer screen.
Wow, does the thought of someone spending the equivalent of breadcrumbs on a game you don't approve of make you so mad you would actually commit physical violence?
Imagine hat would happen if you saw someone spend some actual money and then try to justify that, lol.
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8b0297 No.16908997
>>16908928
Emphasis on waste of time considering wasting your time on shit games like FGO isn't fun nor do you really accomplish anything compared to actual video games. Video games can be a waste of time because trust me I have experienced plenty of games that are that, but to say all games are a waste of time is just retarded because there are tons of games that do exist that makes a experience worthwhile. Fgo is specifically designed for turbo retards who have nothing to do in life, but repeatedly read a garbage story, grind and play low effort special quests, and listen to their jpeg waifu so they can pretend that she's real.
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1c202b No.16909013
>>16908997
>wasting your time on shit games like FGO isn't fun
How can you be absolutely sure there's not at least a few people out there who actually enjoy FGO's gameplay? I've never looked into it since I don't like the artstyle but what people find enjoyable usually varies quite a bit.
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a73369 No.16909016
>>16909013
>FGO's gameplay
What gameplay?
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820925 No.16909019
>>16908872
It is possible to fuck up in a gacha and to fail in combat but not to get a permanent game over. I always thought the best part about permadeath in roguelikes is that you get to pick a new race and class and try again with different tactics. Being able to switch MC's class and use different party members gives variety and new tactical challenges.
It's all about what you want from a game. I like tactical thinking.
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8b0297 No.16909022
>>16909013
>People
>Enjoying
>Gameplay
People who enjoy gatcha addiction are nothing more but braindead slaves who are desperate for their jpeg whore. There is nothing entertaining about fgo it's repetitive garbage that requires a shit ton of hours to grind in. You seem to desperate to defend your gatcha addiction you gorilla nigger.
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1c202b No.16909025
>>16908915
Actually I find Granblue to be quite well made and have very little in terms of gambling, with a little patience you can get a guaranteed pick for anything you want. I don't regret spending money on it especially if that money went to help finance Versus and Re:Link.
>>16909016
I don't know, don't you have like attack cards to line up and make combo with?
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561516 No.16909036
>>16908997
FGO's story is the only reason to play that game. It can vary in quality, but it's good in general. The gameplay and gacha practices are absolutely garbage though
>>16909025
Yeah, FGO has a system where you pick out cards that are randomly distributed to you out of a pool of 15. It's pretty crap.
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951d8b No.16909039
>>16909036
The gameplay is actually good, the problem is that good gameplay is almost exclusively found in challenge battles at the end of events or during Singularities/Lost Belts, and those are very far in between.
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1c202b No.16909043
>>16909022
I'm not playing FGO, never been a fan, I'm actually asking about its gameplay because I'm curious.
On the other side, these are some of the newer Granblue Solo Bosses. These ones hit pretty hard and require you to work on a good team comp and execution to take them down, which I find enjoyable.
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42aeb2 No.16909091
>>16908988
Please tell me how data mining my location and knowing where I am 24/7 have helped video games or society for the better. You still aren't answering the main question. Do you have a defense for shitting up the industry that is not just "It makes money" or drones will buy it.
>>16908995
Telling someone to just "get a better job", especially now in this economy, when a major corporation is using addictive gambling as monetization will give anyone a clear signal that you're a sociopath and should be ostracized.
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702bf7 No.16909099
The only gachashit I've tried is Granblue Fantasy and I have to admit this game has more gameplay mechanics and teambuilding than 95% of rpgs currently on the market.
The buying of rolls doesn't feel forced nor will I ever use it. There are systems in place that guarantee you will get the characters you want.
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39efb0 No.16909134
>>16908944
Please elaborate on the "skills" that video games have given you.
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e22171 No.16909274
>>16907920
I can see what you're trying to say, I really can, how you can build a team with limited units and still have fun because I'm playing a gacha game right now and not doing any rolls to save up for the most infamous banner but you have to admit it's one of the most Yiddish payment models ever. A couple of real life dollars for the CHANCE to get a new party member? And if the game is extra greedy you're expected to get duplicates to actually get the most out of them (fgo does this shit with NP levels)? It's just a complete ripoff, your money would go further in any other kind of game.
Also holy shit what the fuck is that first letter supposed to be
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25fe1f No.16909284
>>16908964
> I will eventually hack my PSTV
Just do it now. Its incredibly easy and you basically get ~85% of what a psp can do while also getting a vita
too bad you still cant play VP or VP:L on it since VP foesnt work on adrenaline and stutters in retroarch while VP:L crashes at Arkdian ruins and some other place
>>16909043
>require you to work on a good team comp and execution to take them down, which I find enjoyable.
Which might be interesting if you didn't have to grind for endless hours or play the gacha for units that would make a good team
Or i can just play the many rpgs that also have interesting bosses while not having to deal with gachashit
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e068e0 No.16909622
>>16909099
I never really understood the appeal of these games (as games, not as Japanese cheesecake art viewers with complicated ways of getting the pictures) but reading this post gets me a little closer, I guess. I suppose I'll never be hooked on a game like these because building teams and throwing them into fights is the kind of gameplay I hate.
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4b6e22 No.16909662
>>16908995
>of someone spending the equivalent of breadcrumbs on a game
Problem is that Gacha games easily get players spending enough breadcrumbs to not only make a loaf, but a whole damn bakery in the extreme cases. What other genre has DLC or microtransaction practices that are on par with modern gachas? Maybe the few MMOs still alive or MOBA games?
>>16909284
>Just do it now.
I'll get around to it when I want to play a game I don't already own for the vita.
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3de46e No.16910261
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There are some reasons:
The first one is gambling addicts or whales who love to spend their money to get their favorite characters. You can see this behavior in Japan which a lot of Japanese are addicts to gacha.
Second one is waifufags who wants to gloat to their favorite waifus or husbando that are on a JPEG or PNG format. They are just as annoying as whales.
Third one are normalfags who play mobile games because they are not interested in playing console or PC games. People with no standards or shit tastes.
And the fourth one is that some Anon mentioned before, there are others who don't have the time to play console or PC games because they are busy people.
>>16905452
>>16908469
Holy shit nigger, you are just as cancerous as normalcattle who enable gacha games to flourish from their shitty slot machines.
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8b0297 No.16910359
>>16909099
Granblue Fantasy is literally the closet thing for a gatchashit game to have good gameplay, interesting characters, a decent story, without the game needing you to spend a shit ton of cash just to progress, still The game is pretty F2P friendly, but it still suffers tedicous grind.
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1c202b No.16911099
>>16909662
I used to be into miniature wargames, over the years I've accumulated about 2.5k$ worth of Tyranids and Guard, plus about 400$ of painting supplies as well as an airbrush. As fun as modeling and painting was, I've always struggled to get in more than 1 game a week and after pretty much everyone in our group got done with their studies and started working, those games got rarer and rarer.
Right now, spending 30 bucks every now and then to get myself a new character in granblue (it's a guaranteed pick ticket, I'm not gambling the money away), brings me more entertainment than buying a new miniature. I've ended up spending a lot less money on random videogames as well, finding myself with more unspent disposable income that I'm just moving to my savings fund.
>inb4 miniatures are a real, tangible thing you can resell eventually
Right now they're being very real in a display case, gathering dust, and I'd rather keep them there and look at them from time to time than sell them for 15 to 20% of their original value.
>What other genre has DLC or microtransaction practices that are on par with modern gachas?
Any "game as service" can end up costing you quite a bit. WoW and FF14 have monthly subscription costs of what, 12 bucks a month? As far as I know WoW also has a cosmetic shop in it.
Pretty much anything on Steam that has a Box and Key system or marketable items can also be a near infinite money black hole. Dota, TF and CS Go being prime examples.
Rocket League got rid of its lootboxes and now just drops you random blueprints you can only complete with real money and even after the price drop, the rare stuff is still 5-8$ a piece, while the Black Market items set you back 22$ a piece. A Car is made out of a Body, Wheels, Decal, Hat, Antenna, Boost effect, Trail effect and Sound Effect, then there's another Blueprint for Goal effects too.
It's not gacha, but you can end up spending 150$ on a virtual car.
LoL apparently also has quite the expensive skins even without lootboxes, I know a guy who spent 1.5k$ on those, then there's the whole Fortnite debacle with kids bullying other kids calling them "basic" for not owning Fortnite skins, and that's a free to play game that grossed 2.4 Billion dollars in 2018.
Also, Train Simulator.
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5b7733 No.16911185
>>16911099
>(Its a guaranteed pick ticket, I'm not gambling the money away)
Either way you are trading real money for a jpeg on a gacha game like a total fucking rube. All of your defensive arguments are pointless in the face of this basic fact.
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39efb0 No.16911335
>>16911099
>Right now, spending 30 bucks every now and then to get myself a new character in granblue (it's a guaranteed pick ticket, I'm not gambling the money away), brings me more entertainment than buying a new miniature.
I'm trying to imagine being in this mindset where if I'm not dumping money into entertainment every month I'm bored. At least painting figures is a paint by the numbers creative hobby.
>rest of your post
You list these other "lesser evils" like skins as if to point out how shitty they are makes gacha okay. Last I checked all those things are garbage and most of them are from garbage games. Yes, yes we all now the industry has become pervasively Jewish, that doesn't mean it suddenly becomes a good thing to be a goy.
>>16911185
In the end, all digital media is just paying for pixels on a screen and sounds from a speaker though.
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6b31ed No.16911344
>>16911099
So you used to have hobbies but now you spend hundreds of dollars on jpegs instead. That's just sad.
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5b7733 No.16911377
>>16911335
>In the end, all digital media is just paying for pixels on a screen and sounds from a speaker though.
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1c202b No.16911392
>>16911335
>I'm trying to imagine being in this mindset where if I'm not dumping money into entertainment every month I'm bored.
Well, imagine you start working 8 to 10 hours a day, 6 days a week and your workplace is at a 30 minute drive from your home. Every day you wake up at 5 AM and your shift begins at 6:30. The job itself is not that hard but people constantly find a way to make it way harder than it needs to be.
You never know at what time you'll finish your day and sometimes you might even have to work from home after you leave the workplace. The extreme chaos and constant noise leave you with a splitting headache for what's pretty much the rest of the day, to the point where a decent chunk of the afternoon you spend it trying to stay awake.
Also keep in mind that needing to wake up at 5 AM means having to go to sleep between 9 and 10 PM so gone are the evenings spent on teamspeak with friends. Well, gone are pretty much all the evenings spent with friends since the only time you're free is Saturday afternoon (and there's nobody around because people go outside after 11 PM) and a decent chunk of Sundays (and there's nobody around because people are still recovering from the hangover).
One time I went 2 and a half months before actually managing to see my friends face to face.
So yeah, painting puts too much strain on the eyes, tabletop games are out of the question and so are the majority of videogames that require a certain level of attention, while I can grind away half awake on granblue without issues as I watch a movie or a tv show on the side.
I don't have vices or other expensive hobbies (I go cycling on Sunday mornings but buying a bike is a 1 time deal) and again, I actually enjoy Granblue's characters and the game's story events quite a lot so I don't mind burning 10 bucks a month on it. More often than not it's the only money I'm wasting on entertainment.
>You list these other "lesser evils"…
That was never my intention, I was just listing them for the sake of listing them. I don't think anything can ever get close to having to spend 1$ for a 1% chance at a rare item, out of a pool of so many, the chance of getting the item you want is actually 0.002% or something. The gacha in granblue is the only one I've ever felt tolerable since they're constantly giving away free rolls and the SSR Draw rate goes up to 6%, as well as having an easily reachable safety net that will allow you to just choose and pick whatever character you want.
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4b6e22 No.16911434
>>16911099
As a fellow Nid player, I'll try and keep this short. And keeping in mind that nobody is really going to convince the other to change their stance on gacha.
>(it's a guaranteed pick ticket, I'm not gambling the money away),
You can put in enough money to guarantee the results you want instead of playing the lottery. That's a cold comfort. The problem as most people see it is that you will continue to spend $30 "every now and then" on a single game for months if not years. It might be breadcrumbs or a negligible amount in micro, but taking a step back and looking at how much you have sunk into even just a single Gacha how much have you actually spent?
>"game as service"
To the point of this discussion, I'd argue that any of those games are predatory in nature and rely on pulling in people with addictive personalities; people who find getting a game in piece-meal acceptable; and for people that as far as cosmetics go, are easily impressed by a very shallow "upgrade" if the visuals aren't tied to new abilities and even still… the combination of these is always possible.
This is the core of what Gacha aims to do. And I have at least 1 friend whose smart phone is frequently out when we hang out as he grinds out the FE and Pokemon gachas. The only time he isn't actively playing is when the game is set to play itself. A concept that, for the purposes of this topic, highlights how pointless gacha really are. Because many of the newer ones as I see it are designed to auto-play to help players grind all day every day. I've even seen this feature implemented in the Granblue Fantasy fighting game where you can auto-combat in the singleplayer mode by setting your character up with a bot so you can get the resources to add weapons to your grid. GBVS is basically what prompted me to look into Gacha since I do play fighting games and the genre overlap was intriguing. However, I won't be buying the game because it does everything wrong with DLC and cut content. And fighting games have a long history of fucking players up the ass with transactions even going back to the Street Fighter: Super Turbo days of multiple full priced releases that amounted to balance patches within the same year.
Tangentially, in the years I did play LoL I gave Riot $0 and simply bought new champions with the in-game currency as I got enough points from trying to climb the ladder. This was during the time when runes were still a thing and I had friends constantly tell me that I was never going to advance in rank unless I started to drop money to purchase and optimize my pages. When the Rune market popped and all they got back was a fraction of their financial investment as in-game currency I could only feel bad for them. This was ignoring how much they'd spent on skins.
Gacha is no different. Much like it's real life namesake it's just a coin-op designed to generate money for comparably trivial rewards. The added benefit of tying jpegs to gameplay aren't insignificant to the actual play of these games. But at the point where you have to plug yourself more readily into a skinner's box to acquire these units, through consistent logins and adherence to schedules. It's become more than just a game and becomes an obsession.
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820925 No.16912191
>>16909274
As a perma-f2p-player, the Granblue system has actually been remarkably good to me. Though, my points of freemium comparison are the non-gacha games Kingdom of Loathing and Tales of Maj'Eyal, which may seem more generous on the surface but are more annoying in practice to deal with as a free player.
(This isn't really on topic, but basically Kingdom of Loathing requires/d colossal dedicated grinding to get even some of the gamebreaking. ever more powerful items of the month without real money, and Maj'Eyal's paid DLC with its significant advantages cannot be acquired as a free player. Both games also suffer from other game design issues, which are even more off-topic.)
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39efb0 No.16912483
>>16911392
It sounds like your not having a good time. You wagecuck, alleged on overtime constantly, which makes it so you can't enjoy your hobbies or friends, yet you don't sound like you like your job either. You're getting fucked on both the leisure side and the career side from the sound of it.
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797a3f No.16913089
Alotta posts saying that people only play gacha games for waifu jpegs, this isn't true.
Take Fate/GO, where some of the most popular characters to roll for are Merlin and Waver who are guys. Not even traps. Just guys. They get rolled for because they are powerful, as many of FGO's fanbase play for gameplay more then waifus.
Go onto websites about FGO or Youtube videos about it or even 8kun's FGO thread, and not many people are talking about spending money to get the character they find the hottest. It's mostly talking about the story or the gameplay of a new event or story chapter.
FGO is a game designed so that you can clear everything with no rare characters, without dropping a penny on the game. And the gave gives out plenty of freebies rare characters too. It doesn't force spending money to do anything.
I'm not gonna sit here and argue that gacha isn't a scummy monetization model or that FGO isn't without flaw, trust me it has a lot of flaws. But that doesn't mean every gacha game is always shit and that people only play for waifu jpegs. People play for LOTS of reasons, and yes some people only play gacha games for waifu jpegs. But to say people only play for waifu jpegs is just plain wrong, I could list dozens of reasons people play FGO.
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e068e0 No.16913275
>>16913089
List your dozen reasons. I can't think of a dozen reasons to even play video games in the first place.
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6b31ed No.16913278
>>16913089
>But that doesn't mean every gacha game is always shit
But they are.
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61a2b9 No.16913284
>>16913089
>Alotta posts saying that people only play gacha games for waifu jpegs, this isn't true.
Not to completely disagree with you I'd say it's 50% waifufags 30%shippers 20%gameplayfags for the mainstream gachas like fgo and gbf.
>Take Fate/GO, where some of the most popular characters to roll for are Merlin and Waver who are guys. Not even traps. Just guys. They get rolled for because they are powerful, as many of FGO's fanbase play for gameplay more then waifus.
Wrong most men don't do that well in the sales, theres a reason the haven't been pure all male gachas. Merlin barely made as much as Raikou did in Japan and Iskander flopped in the west not that west matters as the west is the smallest market. Men in gacha games need to be broke as fuck in order to be rolled on. Which is why they are always paired up with a waifu in the gacha. Men are the primary audience of these games so they will ultimately roll for cute/sexy waifus at the end of the day.
Both the story and gameplay is largely irrelevant to why people roll in these games. Outside of aesthetics(i.e waifufags) most people who play these games want to see jpegs interact with other jpegs largely because they find it cute(and japan as a cute fetish), just look at the fags reddit and the wiki who roll the gacha to reunite the characters, you haven't notices the sharp increase in the boring as fuck shipper pandering since lostbelt.
The story isn't even that good and average at it's best, the mobage format is holding Nasu back. Most of the lorefags put up with it because it's the only thing Nasu is working on, if he leaves after shitbelt like he says most of the lorefags are leaving with him.
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67d13b No.16913364
The appeal of gachashit is that it continues to keep mobile from ever being a legitimate gaming platform.
It's a purely profit-driven business with no drive to do anything better than what has been done in MMOs prior, except without the in-game community part (arguably the only redeeming feature of MMOs). The limited gameplay most games in this metagenre offer is wholly representative of the zenith of a purely touchscreen interface and a battery-limited multipurpose device. The lowest-common denominator approach emphasizes no-challenge experiences for all but the most hardcore players, who have sunk way too much time and/or money to reach single moments that other games will put in front of you instantly and in rapid succession. The rewarding of time spent over effort spent is meant to exploit one's attentions over one's abilities, through things like hourly check-ins, participation stamina, reward cooldowns, dungeon rotations, and so on.
In short, gachashit is the best you can get on mobile. Anything more ambitious would either shove out too many potential customers by being too difficult or pricey, come up against the limitations of touch controls, drain too much battery from a communications device, or just not market as well as a quick cash-in does. Never mind most mobile marketplaces have awful discovery tools, coupled with non-existent third-part curation and aggregation of new and upcoming mobile games (it's 100% advertisement. Unashamedly so). Oh, and at least half of the market is Chinese development teams. Not exactly a culture known for original takes in gaming.
I'm jaded. Stay with PC or consoles. Carry a Switch, 3DS, or PSP if you want good mobile gaming.
Also something about reemphasizing exploiting an unprecedented large non-gamer market that carries a device capable of playing gachashits. I'm not going to work it into that horrid mass of text that nobody is going to read.
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64472d No.16914002
>>16913089
>Fgo can't be a waifufag game because people role for male characters such as Merlin and waver
Except Merlin and waver and other strong male characters in fgo are rolled because they are either op or useful for building strong teams.
>If you go to 8kun's fgo thread or jewtube
8kun and jewtube does not represent the fanbase nor do they represent why people roll. Jewtube and 8kun are more concerned about the gameplay, because 8kun isn't as retarded as cuckchan and YouTube has always contain videos on how to play and understand gaming mechanics while Reddit, Twitter and cuckchan's /v/ and /vg/ which are the more popular side of the fanbase of fgo care less about gameplay and more about the cute/sexy girls.
>Fgo is designed to play without rare characters
You still can't do certain quests without a really strong or essential servant you can grind sure you can complete the main quests to a certain extent but as you further progress in the game you should at least have at least have a strong 4 star or 5 star servant to kill bosses with.
>They give you plenty of freebies
Fgo rarely gives anything free to you, the main appeal of the game is to buy quartz and role because either you don't have enough strong servants to fight certain bosses or you're a waifufag. If you complete the main quest you can get some pretty decent servants for free *(or to roll)* and some quartz but that's it the game does not give you enough to further progress in the game. What's even worse is that most of your effort in grinding is mostly due to your first 4 or 5 star servant and your friend's servant for they are what really carries your team to complete quests.
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