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I would say Final Fantasy 7 is more overrated but that is just splitting hairs at this point.

I like the game, it was fun, lots of issues with it, of course, as is with most zelda games. I think the reason it's overrated is because of the era it released in and, Zelda just stuck because its Zelda and people will worship it. I've only seen the universal praise die down after Skyword Sword came out which I suppose caused people to take a second look at OoT.

You're right, OP, I am closed minded. I reject faggotry and that isn't going to change. Consider sampling a room full of Carbon Monoxide with an open mind.

>complain about aiming in a game with explicit auto-aim

>complain about camera in a game built around eliminating manual camera to free up controls for combat

>complain about a 30 hour game with a 30 hour expansion pack a year later being too short

The only real complaint against OoT was, like every Zelda since the NES, really every Nintendo-developed game since the SNES, that it's too easy.

>>16899424

Of course it's fucking easy. Like all Nintendo games, OoT is made to cater to everyone, including literal retards.

>>16899430

Yes, and that's a flaw. But it's still fun.

Really, it's a shame all the major 3D Zelda clones (Darksiders, BG&E, Okami, etc.) are, if anything, even easier than Nintendo's titles.

But Dragon Quest exists

>>16899407

It's still one of the most active games in the speedrunning community. Multiple ROMhacks have been made for it and are currently in development. People who weren't even alive when the game came out are playing it. It's a bit of a stretch to say it's all down to nostalgia.

>the controls are shit

They're not that bad, otherwise the shooting gallery sidequests would be hell.

>>16899417

>>16899438

All trolling aside, if I were to point to a "most overrated game of all time", I would probably pick Doom/Wolfenstein 3D, because its road to success was basically:

>get better and more innovative work by origin, bethesda, dynamix, etc.

>dumb it down technologically, mechanically, and thematically

>set the genre back a decade

>>16899449

>Doom

Assuming you're talking about the Id one, I agree with no great love for Bethesda's work. I'm sick of faggots pretending they loved that 6/10 game for gamer cred.

No, that honor goes to Morrowind.

>>16899451

It's a shame it took Deus Ex for people to give better lineages of FPS some attention, and even then the most played descendants were the thoroughly mediocre Bioshock and DXHR.

>>16899407

<hurr durr dere's no sidequests

>what is heart pieces, masks, skulltulas, optional spells, big goron sword, etc. etc.

Nah, you're the closeminded one. (obviously excluding the fact that gaming is much bigger now) the original Super Mario 64 is the most overrated game of all time.

And as a bonus.

Virtually every aspect of it was improved with the DS remake, and people that whine about the DPAD controls are stupid.

Which would be obvious, if ya realized SM64 was a tech demo that they plopped onto the system with a few levels they rushed through making

>>16899463

>tech demo

That's what makes it so good, with its thematically random assortment of levels to run through. Even the homicidal camera AI is a side-effect of the unrestrictive movement controls.

>>16899460

Not side quests? See this is why thinks you nintendo babbies are retards.

>>16899407

I genuinely believe that at least 90% of the people who claim to love Ocarina of Time have never actually played it even once. Navi doesn't actually go "Hey! Listen!" in the game like they say she does, and none of them mention the camera even though it makes the first boss fight (which was obviously supposed to be an easy tutorial boss) a ridiculous struggle. You can't even see the weak minions that are gradually bearing down on you to fight them because your camera's stuck on a wall!

I don't know how the game got any kind of positive reputation, much less a sequel. But I'm certain almost nobody online has actually played the game. The camera problems in the first boss fight would've left an impression on them if they had. Instead all they do is recite generic statements about how perfect it is or how they love specific arbitrary parts of it. It's like fake 5-star reviews.

>>16899407

>OoT suffers from being the most played game by Twitter soyboys and redditors when they were growing up and because of that, any criticism given towards the game is basically a sin to these people.

The bugmen don't like OoT anymore. Now they all suck Majora's Mask's dick because it's easier for them to make creepypasta's about.

>>16899407

I'd argue that LttP is far more overrated simply because no one ever says anything bad about this one. Your opinion is very common. Hell, Egoraptor paraded it around and showed truly how retarded at games he actually is. But you never see anyone complain or say anything about LttP, when it's just as beloved if not more beloved than OoT. And really, I don't think it's deserved considering how average it really is.

>OoT suffers from being the most played game by Twitter soyboys and redditors when they were growing up and because of that, any criticism given towards the game is basically a sin to these people.

Have you ever seen a discussion of a Gamecube exclusive? ANY of them? Wind Waker, Sunshine, Melee, Pikmin, TTYD, all of them quite mediocre and all of them jerked off as the second coming of Jesus.

>>16899449

>>16899451

Doom is pretty much an arcade game. Like Galaga or Burger Time or City Connection or Dig Dug, some people will absolutely see the appeal of spending hours upon hours playing an otherwise very simple game, others won't.

I can't see the appeal whatsoever of playing Doom even a second time, I could play the shit out of Dig Dug II any day of the week. It's also helped by having an autistic modding community.

>>16899463

I'd argue that Mario 64 is overall the best 3d platformer of all time simply because every other one that I can think of has numerous major shortcomings either by themselves or when compared to Mario 64. I'll agree with DS having many improvements, though a lot of stuff was half-baked in it as well (mostly the four character aspect)

>>16899469

Let me expand on that. When I say "tech demo", I don't mean "beta version of a vidyagaem", I mean "80s-90s Silicon Graphics techdemo". Mario 64, especially when it came out, felt like playing The Mind's Eye or something.

>>16899471

Oh, yeah I will admit the four characters thing doesn't play especially well, but that's kinda because it was intended to be played four player.

Is this a thread where we complain about games that most people think are good?

Final Fantasy 7 is shit even in comparison to other Final Fantasy games. If I need to explain why then you're probably mentally deficient.

>>16899471

>every other one that I can think of has numerous major shortcomings either by themselves or when compared to Mario 64

There were some pretty immediate, substantial improvements to the genre before Rare completely drove it into the ground by the N64's final days. Take Rayman 2, for instance, I think I'd call that a uniform improvement.

>>16899482

Hell, if you don't subscribe to the nonsense that "Linear levels are inherently bad" Crash 2's a fucking amazing tight controlling 3d platformer.

>>16899471

Super Mario Sunshine was better than Mario 64.

I'm not fucking around, it was.

>>16899487

I wouldn't really agree on the minecraft thing, but fortnite probably. It's just a shitty 100 man 1 life deathmatch.

It doesn't really have any depth beyond the most basic of third person shooters other than slapping walls down.

>>16899486

>"Linear levels are inherently bad"

I think that's a bit of a strawman. The complaint against those sorts of platformers including Sanic was more "linear levels aren't actually 3D".

>>16899487

Minecraft, MAYBE, but not Fortnight. Fortnight is like Pokemon, in that anyone older than 7 won't bother arguing it isn't trash, even if they play it.

>>16899490

>>16899487

Fortnite is not really considered a good game or a masterpiece, it's just a fucking trend.

>>16899489

Mechanically, yes aside from cucking the longjump to give the backpack a purpose. Thematically, the entire game of Hawai'i levels were much less imaginative.

>>16899502

I'll concede that the Theme for it was less imaginative. But I will say that it was comfy as fuck.

Japs have a boner for Hawai'i.

>>16899515

>because it was originally constructed entirely out features stolen

That doesn't stop Doom from overshadowing Wolfenstein, or are you saying every FPS ought to be called a doomclone since they're all taking features Doom had?

>>16899526

What was every FPS called until Half-Life anon?

>>16899407

>>16899412

I've always agreed. I'd say it is a solid 7.5/10, but far from being one of the best video games ever made like its rabid vocal fanbase keep yapping.

At least the OOT fanbase seems less vocal, annoying and obnoxious these days than they were during the 2000s. Anyone who used video game forums regularly in that era will agree that it is the most overrated video game of all time.

It's not even close to being the best Zelda game in my opinion - ALTTP, MM, WW and BOTW are better.

>>16899526

I don't really understand what you're trying to say here, but if I were to criticize either of those games, it would be on very similar grounds to Minecraft (stealing from competitors). Which I did, upthread.

>>16899527

Nah, I think they're okay, I just think calling them 3D is silly.

>minecraft

>inspired

Early versions basically WERE Infiniminer, then some stolen DF pretensions were thrown in, and any effort at actually improving the game were ignored. Meanwhile the Infiniminer guy went on to make actual intellectual puzzle games, DF is still truckin' on donations, and other games using the same ideas Minecraft did, like Terraria and Ace of Spades are better.

But of course Minecraft was the game that modders poured thousands of hotpocket hours into and got sold to M$ for a billion dollars.

>>16899554

Ace of Spades is a sad shell of what it once was.

>>16899563

Trudat

>>16899533

What do you recommend?

>>16899586

From what I'v seen "SlipperyT" is the one who puts out the most high quality stuff. even if you don't end up fapping to it, it's still funny in it's own right.

>>16899449

>get better and more innovative work by origin, bethesda, dynamix, etc.

>dumb it down technologically, mechanically, and thematically

>set the genre back a decade

Do you mind expanding on that? The earliest FPS I can think of among the devs you listed are System Shock, Terminator Resistance and Earthsiege. None of these were released early enough to have had an impact on the development of Doom. And in what way did Doom make the genre regress?

>>16899609

>even if you don't end up fapping to it

Seek help.

>>16899631

>on 8koon

>telling people to seek help

Pot, I know this guy name kettle- right?

>>16899653

I can change my ID too faggot.

Go jerk off to the companion cube why don't you?

>>16899407

It's not overrated. It just aged worse than Majoras Mask.

>>16899654

>Go jerk off to the companion cube why don't you?

Where the fuck do you think you are?

>>16899615

Wolf 3D came directly off prerelease press coverage of Ultima Underworld, with the idea of beating it to the punch by rushing out a much simpler game that could run on a 286 while seeming similar to smoothbrains. Doom (and number of licensed titles using iD's and engine work between Wolf 3D and it) was then pumped out on top of it, mainly targeting a 486.

This stole the thunder of technology that had been developed for games from far more sophisticated genres (Ultima Underworld, TES, Mechwarrior, etc.), turning simple ideas like NPCs, dialog, environmental interactions, vehicles, nonlinear progression, sloped geometry, rotating geometry, and the ability to look up or down into forgotten and revolutionary concepts, producing the FPS as a stereotypical "dumb" genre until the post-Quake era when "?/FPS" genre experiments gradually came back into vogue.

This slipshod behavior even hit iD itself, as Wolf 3D was originally going to be a stealth game like the 2D Wolfensteins, Doom (setting aside its earlier thematic concept as an Alien game) an adventure game, and Quake an RPG.

>>16899407

FF7 is far more overrated

Not the GOAT and not even the best on the N64, but still a good game. Majora's Mask is better in almost every way.

This has gotten to the point where OoT being the most overrated game of all time is as much of a meme as OoT being the best game of all time.

>>16899740

>since

I agree everything tumbled downhill in the '10s, but the late-'90s through the '00s had a ton of games that were infinitely more ambitious than any of the early-mid-'90s Doom clones. Especially watching more innovative stuff die that should've spawned new genres, like Descent for instance.

>>16899747

MM was more elaborate, and more thematically interesting, but it was also tremendously janky and unpolished. OoT was probably the better game overall.

>>16899747

>Majora's Mask is better in almost every way

I disagree. Majora's Mask only had four dungeons and only the second and fourth ones were good. Sure there were a lot of sidequests but the reward for most of them were either a heart piece or a mask you were only going to use once to get a heart piece and heart pieces weren't even that important in the game because the enemies did little damage to account for the people who ignored the side quests and just did the main quest. It has better writing and atmosphere than Ocarina of Time but everything else was a step down in my opinion.

>>16899412

remember when soyny fags sent death threats to some reviewer for giving uncharted 3 an 8 and "ruining" the metascore?

>>16899883

On a more relevant note, there was the 8.8 for Twilight Princess.

>>16899863

Majora's Mask had dungeons that were way more fleshed out than OoT. ALL of the OoT dungeons can be completed in less than an hour without a guide (except maybe Shadow Temple if you include getting the lens of truth). Not to mention the amount of side content MM has compares to oot.

MM:

>4 masks that transform gameplay. you can be a deku scrub or a goron or a zora or a literal god diety

>a notebook to keep track of NPCs. OOT doesn't have this because all the NPCs are fodder

>alternate swords other than the master sword

>over 20 masks to collect through very in depth side quests such as anju & kafei and protecting romani ranch

OOT:

>gerudo shooting gallery

get btfo

>>and only the second and fourth ones were good

>he couldn't find all the zora eggs

look at this brainlet lmfao

>>16899894

>sidequests

lets not forget the Gold Skultula and Heart Piece search.

>>16899902

You ever beat the master quest recut of OoT?

>>16899917

Nope and neither have 99.9999% of the people who praise OoT as the greatest game of all time.

>>16899735

>"?/FPS" genre experiments gradually came back into vogue.

You mean made shit games for decades due to being developed around console controllers and never recovered since decades later.

You're a faggot.

>>16899902

>Majora's Mask had dungeons that were way more fleshed out than OoT

They're more padded than OoT's dungeons. Most of the time they're more tedious than they are challenging. A lot of shit in that game is just tedious. I guess they wanted to put in a lot of segments that eat up your time to add more tension to the time limit.

>4 masks that transform gameplay. you can be a deku scrub or a goron or a zora or a literal god diety

>a notebook to keep track of NPCs. OOT doesn't have this because all the NPCs are fodder

Fair, although the Oni Link mask, despite being cool, is kind of pointless unless you really suck at boss fights.

>alternate swords other than the master sword

OoT had this too. The master sword isn't even the strongest one in that game.

>over 20 masks to collect

All of which you're going to use one time just to get a piece of heart, which aren't even that important, and get the fierce deity mask which is even less important.

>very in depth side quests such as anju & kafei and protecting romani ranch

The Anju and Kafei quest is the only one like that. All the others are either mini games or bringing an item/playing a song for someone at a certain time of day.

>he couldn't find all the zora eggs

That's not even part of the dungeon.

>>16899863

I think the whole process of 100%'ing MM is far more engaging than in OoT. It has an actual sense of urgency in needing to complete all the side quests within the final 3 days before you beat the boss, rewarding good time management. OoT's dungeons are more straight-forward but I think MM's weirdness leads to better puzzles and more interesting dungeons overall. Also the race masks with unique movement options and attacks is much more fun than having dungeons revolve around an item like the boomerang or iron boots.

Unfortunately MM also has quite a bit of tedium. Shit like needing to save rupees before rewind time.

I will admit OoT's big-goron sword is a much better optional item than MM's master-sword-but-better.

>>16900091

Original ideas with a budget make good games, most sequels suck ass since companies suck ass at making good level designs and ai so they either get lazy or clutter it with shit.

>>16899920

Nah, I mean innovative FPS games of the kind that were thin on the ground to nonexistent during the Doom clone era, like Rainbow 6, SWAT, Operation Flashpoint, Tribes, Battlefield, Battlezone, Wargasm, Savage, Giants: Citizen Kabuto, Nightfall, Pathologic, Deus Ex, Thief, Hitman, Riddick, Jedi Knight, etc. We could've had those games all throughout the '90s if Wolf/Doom hadn't redirected 3D tech into the mouthbreather market for years.

Admittedly, much of this stemmed from increasingly ambitious amateur mapmakers in the '90s causing developers like iD, Epic, & Monolith to greatly liberalize engine licensing and polish their modding tools, but the constriction of genre targets had a devastating impact.

>>16899407

True and false. It is overrated as a game, this is simply a fact. But it brought atmosphere better than any game before it, and to limited hardware. In fact, it was the first atmospheric game. In other words, it brought us for the first time a virtual reality -hinting-at experience apart from violence. Previously, Doom & Quake did a good job of imparting atmosphere, and, apart from relatively unknown titles, oot was the first to bring the idea, now accepted, that there can be rather vast streteches of time where one may "play" without a "game" (there had been some long FMV, but that's not where you "play", you just watch).

Long short, it was a monumental game, but not for gameplay. Also, Link taught us to be kind to the wee folk.

>>16900385

oc my nigga

>>16900380

>Link taught us to be kind to the wee folk

What did you expect? That he'd turn the weans against us?

>>16900379

please try harder next time

>>16900380

Ultima Underworld games and System Shock were far mor atmospheric and they came before OOT.

>>16901184

PC gaming in the 90s wasn't as big as it is now. OOT was when millennial console kiddies were exposed to the fact that gaming could be expansive in 3D, with production values like high quality music. Same reason why FF7 is as popular as it is. Kids were able to convince parents to get a Zelda game. Early 90s PC games before ESRB? Better hope dad or older brother was a nerd.

In /co/ terms, it is equivalent to Gwen Stacy being killed. Part of the reason it is iconic is because it is already attached to an established, super popular franchise.

Who let egoraptor in?

>when you compare OoT to other games of the time

>such as MM which came out later

>and half-life, a game that is also overrated in some ways

gg

>aiming with the N64 controller sucks

yeah, the n64 had a shit controller

>camera glitches into the wall

were you playing the n64 version on an N64? The game was improved by the Gcube release, which is still a definitive version in my eyes.

>other games from the 90s don't suffer that problem

but every game suffers from being able to get your camera in the wall to some degree, that's just how you prevent the camera from getting claustrophobic on you by shrinking in along the edge of a wall in a tight room.

>side quests are non-existent

you can get through the game without most of the items, but that's why they're called sidequests.

>playing the bombchu minigame and collecting gold skulltulas aren't sidequests

what arbitrary reasons do you have for why the side content in the game that is not the main quest should not be considered side content? Collecting heart pieces to beef yourself up, getting the golden goddess crystals, and getting a bigger sword were all side events that, again, are not necessary to beat the game

>side quests are a requirement to call it an action adventure game the greatest game of all time

why do you even care what other people call a game? People say stupid shit all the time; you're probably like 13 and just fired up an N64 your parents owned and put in a game that you heard is really popular, had a really frustrating time, and are now complaining by comparing it to two other games that are just as popular if not more so.

>OoT isn't half-life

great kid, that's not an argument, you're comparing apples to oranges when you pair an adventure game and a shooter

>OoT is worse than MM

Majora's Mask was nearly 80% side content. The game has 4 temples that are really simple, to the degree that if you're fast enough you can complete them all in the 3 day span. The side areas for those temples are also pretty short, meaning that you essentially have 4 areas divided into two halves that make for a middling sized area every time. The reason MM is better is because despite having a global reset button, you really get a chance to get attached to these characters around you because they all move and shake in their own way, which was novel for the time. OoT doesn't have as much of that because the devs focused more on making a complete linear experience that told link's story all the way through.

TL;DR Overrated is a term newfags use to make it sound like they figured out video games but never have enough context to use it

I like OoT. It's not the best game of all time (that is, objectively, Resident Evil 4) but I can understand why it won so many awards the year it came out.

>>16899407

>OoT is the most overrated game of all time and if you disagree then you're close minded. 

A opinion so original Game journalists and Cuckchan been pushing that narrative for the last 20 years

You typed DmC wrong.

>>16901573

I don't think that many people overrate DmC.

>>16901578

On the contrary. DmC has ridiculously good reviews and rabid fans online despite being objetively dogshit.

To claim OoT is the most overrated game of all time is to say it is more overrated than DmC. Which is idiotic. Which is why these dubs.

>>16901587

>DmC has ridiculously good reviews and rabid fans online despite being objetively dogshit.

I really wouldn't call the game dogshit, it may be a shit DMC game and a very poor attempt at a reboot but it's really not dogshit.. It has a good art style, a great soundtrack and you can do some cool stuff with the combat system, just look at all the combo MADs it has.

>>16901612

DmC is a pretty damn big anomaly.

It's hard to say if it would have been a better idea to just Not call it Devil May Cry, since everything about the game is while VERY streamlined, it's clearly still DMC tons of moves still have the same names. so if you took the DMC out of DmC it wouldn't have the part about it that's decent. but when you actually look at it as a Devil May Cry game, it comes up short due to how easy it is, so much about the game doesn't take effort. and the characters become hard to like since your obviously going to compare them to the Real versions of those characters.

there is a "not Awful" game in the center of it all, it's just that it covered in the most unpleasant gift wrap of all time.

>>16901641

overall Devil Might Whimper just needs a few alterations

gameplaywise: fix everything. Everything. No more color coded weapons and enemies, no more mash-one-button super combos, and while I can see where it could be fun, nix the grapple because infinite helicopter combos that take you outside the geometry

musicwise: fuck dubstep

characterwise: less Tameem self insert, more Tony Redgrave

storywise: I mean, I guess They Live is an alright movie to build a game's story off of but so much of it dates itself. From Mundus's announcement that he'll "control the world with debt" to the media guy being fake news incarnate to Mundus's bitch getting a sniper rifle abortion to incite feminist outrage, the whole thing screams mid-2010s

>>16901585

I tried finding the original article so I could read whatever retarded argument was put forth and it looks like the sites that was posted on went under, so good news I guess.

>>16901423

We really do need to take drastic measures to solve the Phonefag Question.

>>16901423

With fucking ridiculous compression that you can't disable, as well.

>>16901208

>work at magazine

>fucking zoomers keep trying to submit cameraphone photos

>think 1/6" sensor with 2mm lens is comparable to 2.5" sensor with 100mm lens

>muh megapixels

Maybe lensless compound lightfield photography will end my suffering some day, but until then the phone industry's marketing hype can burn in hell.

>>16901233

>PC gaming in the 90s wasn't as big as it is now

As a proportion of gaymurz? Interesting question, I honestly couldn't be sure either way, about the closest thing I'm confident of is that mid-'00s were probably the alltime nadir for PC.

>>16901306

HL1 is definitely not overrated. Where the fuck are you hearing anyone talk about HL1 being the greatest game of all time and overrating it? Usually it's HL2 that people suck off.

>The game was improved by the Gcube release, which is still a definitive version in my eyes

Zoomer spotted, opinion ignored. Go buy a n64

>you can get through the game without most of the items, but that's why they're called sidequests.

Glad you're here to enlighten us with this new knowledge

>what arbitrary reasons do you have for why the side content

I said side quests, dumb fuck. You're attacking a strawman. Gerudo shooting gallery can eat shit.

>why do you even care what other people call a game? People say stupid shit all the time; you're probably like 13 and just fired up an N64 your parents owned and put in a game that you heard is really popular, had a really frustrating time, and are now complaining by comparing it to two other games that are just as popular if not more so.

Projection much!

>>16899407

>if you don't immediately agree with my claim for any reason you are close-minded

Isn't refusing to acknowledge or entertain more than one view, i.e what you're doing and asking everyone else to do, the exact definition of being close-minded, though?

>>16902058

Considering that's what SJWs say, and they're close minded, yes?

>>16902073

I can't tell if you're being facetious or serious. Please use the :^) flag if the former

>>16901306

>The game was improved by the Gcube release

I realize this is bait, but OoT/MM on GCN were literally the N64 ROMs running in an emulator with a few textures and sounds swapped out. There's even a patch to undo the changes (useful for Master Quest):

http://krikzz.com/forum/index.php?topic=5161.0

And it was also possible to inject other N64 ROMs to be emulated on GCN

>>16900701

But he's not wrong.

Doom didn't create FPS it created the fad around them, it cemented that the genre would go down the violent 90's action path, which would eventually evolve into the awful industry we know today. It was in fact nowhere near as evolutionary as people say, it just managed to be in the right place and right time in order to ensure that it would get popularity, but when Redditors call it the best fps of all time and willingly give into the masturbatory fantasy of Nu Doom propelled by Bethesda then it crosses a line into definitively being the most overrated game of all time.

>>16902092

>violent

I think the key word here is "dumb"

>which would eventually evolve into the awful industry we know today

Hard to say. I mean, think of the examples I gave upthread of more sophisticated genres than the Doom clones.

Deus Ex/System Shock/etc. immersive sim devs indirectly by way of the Bioshock team were responsible for Gone Home. Similarly TES has devolved into a LARPer "hiking sim" whose legitimacy as an actual RPG is maintained by threadbare denialism masked by free nearly outright stolen labor from modders. Tactikewl FPSs had their hardcore thematics stolen to launder linear popamole like CoD:MW. And who knows what would've happened to the stompy mecha sim genre if it hadn't died off, maybe a freemium P2W abomination like World of Tanks.

The decay would've been a lot slower than the flood of mouthbreathers Wolf/Doom created, I'm sure, but it still could've ultimately happened.

>>16902109

Oh, plus as an example of this actually happening to a (somewhat) smarter genre, RTS modders producing the twin cancers of tower defense and ASSFAGGOTS/CRAPCUNTS.

>>16902092

I think you're underselling Doom's contribution to the genre a bit. From a pragmatic standpoint, popularizing a genre to the point of cementing it as a major genre is often more important than simply being retroactively the first in a genre. Additionally, it was very much built on the foundation of id's earlier title, Wolfenstein 3D, a game often credited as the first true FPS game for what we consider an FPS game to be. It was also huge progenitor for community-made content in games, with how easy it was to create custom wads and the devs even encouraging it, as well as multiplayer over a network of several connected machines. Hell, it was one of the first major games that pushed for mouse-look over using the keyboard, a control method now considered near-essential for any game on PC with a controllable analog camera, not just FPS games.

I wouldn't call Doom the greatest game of all time, it has plenty of flaws to stop it from being that, but to downplay its contributions to the industry as just lucky timing and to consider it directly responsible for the industry's current state, when the current state directly opposes many of its design principles and id's business practices at the time, is just being disingenuous.

>>16902119

>Wolfenstein 3D, a game often credited as the first true FPS game for what we consider an FPS game to be

As I said upthread, the merit of this "accomplishment" is highly contestable.

>community-made content in games

>multiplayer over a network

Perhaps, though many other games had both before, and in iD's case those emerged mostly by accident (mods were hacked in with Wolf 3D, then explicitly accommodated with Doom, and Doom MP was designed mainly with coop in mind, deathmatch evolving by accident)

You're right, there's nothing particularly interesting about OOT. It's just that the game was the first game to have the right amount of normalnigger tepidity in it's theming and the first game to do it in 3d.

>game is generally challenging enough that you can fail if you're completely retarded but it never really tries to gatekeep the player at any moment

>generic hollywood high fantasy setting e.g. magic is thrown in the mix to keep things interesting but other than the bad guy doing evil things and being powerful, nothing in the world is affected by some people just arbitrarily having the power to warp reality on a whim

>a few twists and turns in the story but after you talk to zelda for the first time the plot is never going to get that much more complex than "ganon bad"

>hollywoodesque cutscene editing and angled shots conditions the viewer to turn their brain off and treat the game like a movie instead of a game

Throw in the general popularity of the game, the brand recognition of Nintendo and the 20 year old release date for nostalgia goggles, and it's pretty easy to throw OoT around as the "best game ever" for easy credentials as a video game enthusiast without much chance of argument.

>>16902186

Why don't you talk about level design and mechanics instead of superfluous shit you fucking retard. This isn't final fantasy, a couple short cutscenes isn't the reason people love the game.

>>16902219

Indeed, this is where OoT shines:

>precious controls on gamepad freed up by pretty good automatic exploration camera, context sensitive action-button, automatic inertia-based jumping

>lock-on camera with circle-strafe combat system

>configurable instant use items on C-buttons

>remaining freed up controls (analog, A, B, L, Z) used for puzzle interaction or fun sword & board combat

>large open levels, in spite of then-cutting-edge models and textures with multiple dynamic colored lights

>large numbers of varied environments, characters, enemies

>fantasy setting, but peppered with weird japan-isms and weirder nintendo-isms

>riding your horsey

Really, the only huge flaw is that the game is so easy, but the guilt for that can be lain at the feet of ALttP's success. Also, the lack of 64DD-dependent clock, rewritable storage, extra RAM, and cheap extra storage features, not fully rectified until BotW.

>>16902088

>this is bait

Nigger, playing with the gamecube controller is 100% better than dealing with whatever the fuck is going on with the N64 controller

This thread is still on the front page?

OoT is great. GOAT? Matter of opinion. Overrated is a shitty term because ratings are shit systems anyway. But it can be objectively evaluated. It's got a wonderful, varied soundtrack - sound cues, playable songs, theme music, etc. It has stunning visuals and effects - good color use, expressions, terrain, and so on. A stellar delivery - good story and twists, good dialogue and camera. Plenty of content - minigames galore, sidequest dungeons and items like Epona or masks or sword. Lots of freedom - including sequence breaking. It has pretty tight gameplay, simple to pick up, but under-utilised depth (really the game is too easy, I didn't even know Ghoma could lay eggs my first playthrough since I can kill her with my first stun, and you can also shoot her off the ceiling). Everyone putting it down just sound like whiny faggots - the same types who twenty years ago were putting down awesome old 2d games when 3d was gaining momentum. You fags are like shitters who put down old music because it isn't your synth shit. Get over yourself and learn that art and skill and content can not only be objectively measured, but it has been discussed to death and you could do a lot more research and learning rather than spout your shitty childish opinions.

>>16902219

I focused on the superfluous shit because that's the part that matters.

>a couple short cutscenes isn't the reason people love the game

Yes it is. Normalniggers are typically tepid at best when it comes to gameplay unless the marketers take the Dark Souls approach when discussing the game and sell the narrative that the act of finishing the game is a special accomplishment by itself. And if you still want to split hairs then I already covered both of those things when I mentioned difficulty. The only thing that really matters about a Zelda game in terms of gameplay is how hard it punishes you for your mistakes.

>>16902413

>Muh freedom of speech and expression

>WAIT STOP NO ITS NOT OKAY WHEN A KID DOES IT REEE

>>16899407

> OoT suffers from being the most played game by Twitter soyboys and redditors when they were growing up

This is the case with literally all of the "classic" games in every genre. When you're a lower middle class or upper lower class kid and you get 2 video games a year, one for christmas and one for your birthday, you're going to form an emotional attachment to it over the course of the next 8,000 hours you'll spend playing it whether it's shit or not.

You can't beat the imprinting instinct. If you've got parents irresponsible enough to let video games raise you then you're going to be as attached to those games as healthy children are to their parents.

>>16902413

God help him, he didn't even have a chance.

>>16901612

Without being a DMC game it would be even worse because Itsuno walked up super late in development and seen they didn't put a fucking jump in the game and made them fix it

>>16902717

(You)

>OoT is the most overrated game

Except it's not Mass Effects 2 or TLoU

>>16902717

>Defending LGBT grooming

Either the join 41% or fuck off back to reddit.

>>16899407

>if you disagree then you're close minded

>implying being close minded is a bad thing

>>16902551

And why would a normalnigger like or even play Oot? It's not a flashy game, the story was basic and minimal, it wasn't filled with shitty cg cutscenes and cinematics like a final fantasy, it was focused on gameplay instead, it expected players to pay attention to their surroundings and solve their way out of levels, it didn't hold your hand or gave you a green arrow to follow, I doubt they'd even get past the lost woods. It's not a normalfag friendly game in the slightest. They'd lose interest pretty quick. If anything they'd hate it for not constantly sucking their dicks and actually challenging them and expecting an iq above 80. So I'm not sure why you think this game is only praised by clueless normalfags.

>>16902891

Because normalfaggots only pretend to have played it in it's entirety, it's part of the whole "I'm so nerdy xDDD" culture.

Looking Glass Studios games are fucking garbage overrated by pseuds.

Cuckchan tier thread

Do your job jannies.

>>16902717

>brainwashing kids who don't have agency is freedom of speech

here's your (Your), now go kill yourself you retarded tranny commie

>>16912061

jannies dont ever clear up the board. why do you think shit threads like this are made everyday?

>>16900029

the multi was better than the story

>>16899460

>what is majoras mask did all that better

>>16899735

More mechanics != better game. Doom doesn't do lot of stuff, but the execution is almost flawless. All the other games are incredibly janky in comparison, and jank in an action game is very noticable.

>>16899407

>OoT sucks and if you don't agree with me then you're shit

…Isn't there a quality control to prevent people from baiting this badly?

No one past 7-8 years claims that OoT is the best game ever, people praise OoT because let to LoZ being able to survive the transition from 2D to 3D at best, also, yes compare it to Half-Life, a FPS, so… stop being a nigger

>>16901587

>DmC: The stupid name being objetively dogshit

Despite the cunt protagonist, dull story, dull enemies, that the best boss in that game was fought midway through said story among many other things, it's still better that Devil May Cry 2

>>16919837

Past 7-8 y/o

>>16899407

I guess I'm closed minded.

>Game made 22 years ago doesn't live up to modern standards

Very few 32-bit era games do. 2/10 bait because I responded - 1 because you were autistic enough to get angry and argue in your own troll thread like a retard.

Majora's Mask is edgy B-team garbage made of recycled assets and what little original content it has is half-assed and weird, not fitting with the Zelda "feel" at all. Anyone who remembers it fondly was 12 when it came out and just beginning their rebellious phase, and it was soooo cooool (for emo faggots) that everyone in the game had depressing dialogue about being afraid to die.

>>16921961

Mario Sunshine was really experimental. The core was good, but a lot of the extra stuff was great as well like the pure platforming Shines. And I prefer them over Mario Galaxy because the gravity gimmick was always on.

>Comparing video games with appointments

Gee, maybe I play video games to NOT think about my fucking appointments, and instead I have the fucking moon falling down and forcing me to reset the whole fucking world ever so often.

>>16899407

The Last of Us, The Witcher 3 exist, so already I'd have to say you're wrong, Ocarina of Time actually pushed new things into video games, the other games mentioned did nothing for the medium.

>>16899407

>bebop is better than champloo

they are good, but normies be normies and this is how overrated things coom into existance.

Majoras was so good that the creator fookin gave up trying to top it. Publically though, he blamed MM as being to dark, and went on to create lesser works than OOT.

>>16922031

I found it overrated and shit when it was released. But now I play it again and I'm like "Oh. It does shit other shooters should do, but none of them do." Before that, noone learned from e.g. Duke Nukem 3D. It's only overrated in the sense that it didn't inspire anyone, because developers are too fucking lazy to make something else than inactive hallways.

>>16922032

>>16921964

You both sound like you haven't played it.

>not fitting the Zelda feel at all

Yeah? All of you fucks bought Breath of the Wild and imply its a Zelda title.

>>16922112

The Last of Us has been my favorite game for a long time, but I recently got the platinum trophy in the remaster (basically the second time I got platinum in the game) and man…

The storytelling is great, but the pacing is often slow as hell. And after the billionth game where you throw bottles to distract opponents and where stealth is shoehorned in, its really not special. It drags at times.

Then Uncharted 4 came out, and it dragged even harder, and was way longer than it should have been. And now I'm worried for Last of Us 2. Naughty Dog + style and open world over substance = increasing boredom.

Maybe that's the casual in me speaking but I rather play though RE2 and RE3 10 more times than play Last of Us another time.

>>16922562

>The Last of Us has been my favorite game for a long time

<says nothing but point out how shit it is

I'd understand if you liked the story of the game, but how can it be you Favorite "GAME" if you don't want to "PLAY IT"

>>16922576

He admits to enjoying Half-life 2 because of how inactive it is, clearly a redditor >>16922534

>>16922576

I dunno if I fucked up the grammar or something, but I said it WAS my favorite game for a long time, until I replayed it when it was free in PSN. Mainly for the multiplayer, but then I got platinum again, since I physically own the game on PS3.

>>16922578

I've read my post 3 times now and I guess it's you who's retarded. At least too retarded to read.

>>16922562

>The Last of Us has been my favorite game for a long time

>and man…

This is the most reddit post on the site right now.

>>16922755

The spacing is the cherry on top

>>16923406

The Last of Us is shit. It's a worse, unfun RE4 and you really need to go back to reddit.

This is a cuckchan tier thread, ocarina of Time is no where near as overrated as the last of us, uncharted 4, doom eternal, or even the breath of the wild.

>>16922089

>but unlike other Zeldas the game doesn't just rely on one gimmick (like WW's sailing or TP's lame wolf form), instead there's the time limit and the way NPC schedules and events revolve around time

Nigger, the time travel IS the gimmick.

>>16923476

>even the breath of the wild

>even

It might just be the single most overrated game of all time, and it's suspect that OP would choose a more established Zelda game to shit on.

>>16923498

>the single most overrated game of all time

>not Bioshock: Infinite, TLOU, or Skyrim

You're severely underestimating the shit taste of normalfags. BotW's got plenty of fans, sure, but they'll forget about it when the next Zelda comes out.

Skyrim came out 8 years ago and there are still millions of people who think it's the greatest RPG of all time.

>>16923498

>BOTW is more overrated than last of us

BOTW actually had gameplay and is only somewhat fun to play. But the last of us plays more like a slow and boring ass movie that centers more on interaction with the environment and its dull story more so than on gameplay. let's not forget that you have to deal with the annoying little lesbian shit named Ellie throughout the entire game.

>>16923476

>ocarina of Time is no where near as overrated as the last of us, uncharted 4, doom eternal, or even the breath of the wild.

It used to be, and was for a long time, but I think most of the diehard fans have either gotten over it or become too old to care at this point. I don't think I've seen anyone genuinely try to argue that it's the best game of all time since dipshit put out his Zelda sequelitis video.

>>16923526

>>16923517

I'll admit that I've never played the Soyny movie games, and that I only have a cursory understanding of normalfag tastes. But the absolute gushing over BotW when it is easily the worst 3D Zelda besides maybe SS reeks of normalfaggotry and (((journo bias))).

>>16899545

>BOTW better

It was at this point I knew you were just trolling.

>>16923562

It's funny—you can easily point to posts like that and say they're trolling, but Poe's Law says that there are a growing number of normalfaggot idiots that actually believe it.

>>16923447

>>16923418

I'm afraid I'm arguing with underage Nintendo cocksuckers anyway, so why am I even here?

8kun should have stayed fucking dead. Return to Cuckchan.

>>16923406

>Also what? I liked a game literally most critics liked?

<I liked the game that literal braindead retards liked.

Also

>Posts some twitter muh anime avatars shit

Wew lad.

You just have a shit taste, you liked a bland interactive movie with shit stealth, shit combat and generic movement/controls. And when you're called out on it you call anons Nintendo cocksuckers like an actual cuckchan console war faggot.

>>16923629

>Says last of us is his favorite game

>Says that we are Nintendo cocksuckers because we don't agree that his favorite kiked lesbian Loli trash is not good

>Tells anons to return to cuckchan for not liking his Reddit tier game

You're not only a newfag but also a gorilla nigger TLOU is shit and you don't need to be an Nintendo soychugger to know this.

>>16923406

>Posts a shit twatter meme

>Calls other cuckchan

Man my retard radar is going through the roof on your retarded posts.

>>16899489

>Saying Mario Sunshine is a good game

Lmao no, the camera, physics and many of the levels (I'm fuckin' looking at you, poison river and pachinko levels) were janky as fuck.

Fuck off and take your shitty, janky, and linear as fuck F-tier NGC game with you, you fucking cuntcanoe-

>>16921961

>Clipping through the end platform

Shit, that caught me off-guard, 10/10, made me lose my shit laughing at 2am lmao

>>16924829

Thanks for enlightening me as to why I never liked MM as much as OOT. I think for me MM felt too reliant on the 3 days thing, whereas time travel in OoT was more like a gateway to another world. There's definitely some cool things in MM's design, it was ahead of its time, but the time mechanic felt overbearing.

>>16934189

To elaborate slightly, part of the Zelda series' appeal for me is the same general appeal of the Elder Scrolls games. You can progress the story, or you can explore and look for secrets and sidequests. And although I say "or", you never really have to choose. You'll be going along the main plot and see a diversion and can follow it to your hearts content. In MM, the time constraints make each run feel like it has to be more goal-oriented, like I have to decide at the start whether I will try to clear a dungeon or just explore during this 3-day cycle. It's especially true early on, when you have to deal with not having as many tools to manipulate time.

>>16899735

I'm pretty sure that is entirely your perception. Doom was made the way it was because it played very fast. All of the other games you listed, including MechWarrior, played nowhere near that fast. The point of their technology was speed. I get that you don't like Doom, but take a step back for a moment and realize that there are people who genuinely enjoy playing it to this day.

>FPS became a dumb genre

You might have a point if TES, MechWarrior or any dungeon crawler like Ultima was dumbed down in the fashion you describe. Fortunately the people who designed those games weren't complete retards who can't tell the difference between demographics and so they didn't make their games like Doom. There were more games made like Doom and Quake, but they were mostly made by entirely new studios that had absolutely nothing to do with the franchises you mentioned.

>>16934239

For clarification, I'm speaking within the context of the 90s here, so no, TES3 onwards aren't really relevant as the game industry was already dumbing down as a whole in the mid-2000s.

It is, but I'd be hard pressed to name ten games I think are more consistent. OOT is just very solidly put together. Strong start, strong middle, strong end. Every dungeon is memorable, every boss fight is memorable. Good music, good visual design, the story hits the right emotional notes and is exactly what it needs to be. Even most of my favourite games have that boss fight where I think they dropped the ball, or that part I dread replaying. OOT I really don't think has that.

>>16899468

>makes the first boss fight…a ridiculous struggle

Are you joking me? Shot the eye with the slingshot, slash the eye with the sword. Rinse and repeat. You don't even need to do any crazy stuff with the camera.

During the slashing part it's pure Z-targeting. While aiming the slingshot you go into 'shooting' mode and the joystick lightly moves your direction.

>>16899471

The issue with LttP is just that it feels too much like a "game" after it's beaten. It's definitely fun the first few playthroughs, but after that it becomes droll.

The only benefit OoT has in this aspect is the story, which makes me wish to play out the cutscenes like reading a good book.

>>16902891

>wasn't filled with shitty cutscenes

I would say it had quite a bit, but they were mostly appropriate (except for that one we see two or three times about how the Goddesses created the world). What's nice is that, just like in a 2D game, some stuff is left as text. E.g., the pedestal in the church is honestly my favorite thing considering the text magically changes when you come out, I think it went "Three spiritual stones opened the door, the Hero of Time, descended here".

For reference, Awakening might be my favorite due to the special ending, although the Oracle games also have a special mystic quality to them.

The real worst Zelda game is…Zelda I, that poking sword. I don't care if it means I'm shit, but a poking sword as opposed to a slashing one makes it difficult for me to deal with the darknuts.

>>16934326

I find ALTTP really dry. The gameboy games took that formula and inserted so much more personality into it. It's also the only game in the series where you have to pick up heart containers to progress.

>>16899417

along with Infinite Jest this is one of the things I'm most proud to have quit and have the least guilt over.

>>16899468

>Navi doesn't actually go "Hey! Listen!" in the game like they say she does

Yes she does.

Inb4

<BUT SHE DOESN'T SAY THEM AS ONE LINE!!!

>>16899407

the nintendo 64 controller is a piece of shit

>>16934420

It's fine. People used to be able to adapt to slightly different controls before everything became completely homogeneous.

>>16899407

how many times does this same exact thread have to be made? i swear to christ I have seen this at least 3 or 4 times.

https://youtu.be/7DTEWl7geRI

https://youtu.be/DYNsuHnnk1A

http://www.quotev.com/quiz/6376237/What-Nintendos-characters-you-are

>>16922615

>I dunno if I fucked up the grammar or something

Yes, you did:

> The Last of Us has been my favorite game for a long time

This means that it was and still is your favorite game. You should have instead written

< The Last of Us had been my favorite game for a long time

Now it is clear that it used to be your favorite game, but no longer is.

>>16922731

>To be fair the game was literally unfinished to meet its Holiday sale deadline. There's a whole two entire dungeons cut out of the game, which is why the end game has that tedious Triforce piece quest to pad out the run time, and why the Ghost Ship has a ton of buildup despite being a single room with a few enemies when you finally get to it (it was originally going to be a full dungeon).

>

>Some more detailed info here: https://youtu.be/kCA8CsKoYys

Restoring that content would not really have made much of a difference. The biggest problem with WW is all the fucking sailing. What good is it to have interesting locations and an open world, if it is so tedious to travel to anywhere? If they had the two dungeons instead of the triforce hunt it would have been a better game, but not by that much.

Good to know /v/ has shit taste as usual

>>16940889

Congrats on bumping a two month old spam thread with no content, you fucking subhuman faggot.

>>16934669

>holding the control stick on the N64 controller like a tiny dick

I remember I had a friend that did this.

>>16940908

How could anyone play a game like that? did he just get frustrated and die a lot? I had a friend that would play gameboy by laying it on the table, hunching over it, and pushing the buttons like a grandma hunt and pecking a keyboard. annoyed the shit out of me.

>>16940904

lmaoing @ ur life tbh

>>16941014

>>>/reddit/

Reported.

>>16941048

squeal harder, little piggy

I had more fun playing Twilight Princess tbh.

>>16941071

The only good thing about TP is/was Midna.

>>16940889

>OOTMQ

Fuck that game. Every dungeon is absolute bullshit. I was stuck on it for at least a good decade because of all the retarded puzzles that were full of bullshit. Never touching that shit ever again.

>>16941067

sage

The music is good.

Have you heard daigoro789's covers? They're pretty good.

>>16942664

daigoro789 is mudslime!!

White guys can be mudslime too, fuck him and fuck you

>>16942666

so turks are white ? nice thx gevur im white now

>>16942735

some turks have very white looks, like fair eyes and hair.

That's how they pass and people forget theyre still mudslime