b680ec No.16879185[Last 50 Posts]
What are your thoughts?
Is anything missing that you would like to see added or anything you would like to see changed? Modes, Fighters, Stages, Music, Assists, Bosses, Mechanics, Content, etc?
How was Ultimate's Fighter's Pass 1 for you? What would you want Ultimate's Fighter's Pass 2 to look like?
When do you think Ultimate will get it's next DLC character?
Discussion on the series overall is allowed.
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bb406d No.16879209
>>16879185
>What are your thoughts?
Sakurai and Nintendo Corp. needs to fuck off.
>Is anything missing that you would like to see added or anything you would like to see changed? Modes, Fighters, Stages, Music, Assists, Bosses, Mechanics, Content, etc?
Bring back Adventure mode in some form, bring back trophies, get rid of third-party and select series over-representation, make it all about Nintendo IPs again, make the game actually difficult and fun, go back to the singular art style, and NO MORE DLC/UPDATES.
>How was Ultimate's Fighter's Pass 1 for you?
It was shit.
>What would you want Ultimate's Fighter's Pass 2 to look like?
I expect nothing, and still expect to be disappointed.
>When do you think Ultimate will get it's next DLC character?
The next Direct may hint at it.
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4aaef5 No.16879214
Nothing will get added, people paid for less content than what was in melee and especially brawl. Nintendo's not gonna give people a meatty game since they have their money already.
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f50999 No.16879230
>>16879185
I legit think the world would be a better place if smash had never happened.
Still something went very wrong after Melee.
Was it on Brawl that rosterfaggotry began?
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a751ba No.16879240
>>16879230
Brawl introduced rosterfaggotry and dumbed down the game considerably, Tr4sh and Ultimate just made both of those even worse.
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12d6c9 No.16879242
>What are your thoughts?
Krystal needs to get in, that's what
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eea0d7 No.16879250
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b680ec No.16879258
>>16879242
Her moveset potential is interesting, but I'm also a bit concerned on a couple of issues regarding her. She hasn't been used in many games recently and she's never had an iconic status like K.Rool, Little Mac, or any other character that's popular despite few appearances. But I guess if the Rosalina and Daisy fanbases can complain enough to get their characters in, I would hope Krystal can be a possibility too, but at the same time it feels awkward to support her inclusion because Furries exist.
>>16879250
If any non video game character is included, I'd honestly want Mickey Mouse.
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3ac1cd No.16879285
>What are your thoughts?
Great concept ruined by the lead developers ego and the game in general becoming too big of a franchise.
>Is anything missing that you would like to see added or anything you would like to see changed? Modes, Fighters, Stages, Music, Assists, Bosses, Mechanics, Content, etc?
Basically what >>16879209 said, however I'd like to see more niche characters and would prefer to see a UMvC3 styled expansion rather than what we're getting now
>How was Ultimate's Fighter's Pass 1 for you?
Hero, Banjo and Terry were great
Rex with swappable blades should've been in over Byleth
Arc System Works did Persona characters MUCH better than Sora did. In fact I'd argue that Sakurai did a disservice to Joker by making his persona character a Devil Trigger rather than a character that appears and disappears depending on the move.
The Plant is a fucking disgrace.
>What would you want Ultimate's Fighter's Pass 2 to look like?
Realistically?
Dante, Adol Christin, Rayman, Sora, Travis Touchdown and Geno.
What I'd rather have:
Dante, Isaac, Ray 01, Saki, Takamaru and Rex with swappable Blades
>When do you think Ultimate will get it's next DLC character?
Either during E3 or sometime in either late march or early april
I'm not against 3rd parties persay, however I do think they're starting to overshadow the rest of the game now.
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3ac1cd No.16879294
>We will never get Project M: 2: The Electric Boogaloo
Also Project NX doesn't exist and is just made by an attentionwhore.
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d5f662 No.16879295
>>16879258
>Non videogame
Are you retarded? Off the top of my head, Mickey's Mousecapade (NES), that one platformer for the SNES, Kingdom Hearts, and canvas curse or whatever, and Epic Mickey
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3ac1cd No.16879298
>>16879295
>Implying Mickey Mouse is a video game character
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d5f662 No.16879308
Nintendon't isn't even hiding it anymore
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a83529 No.16879311
I'd like to see a character from Crystal Chronicles in it, like a Yuke oe Clavat to promote the remaster coming to the bing bing machine.
But I expect more FE Swordfags and Lipfag's suicide.
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12650d No.16879321
More final fantasy characters, like the cast of FFTA.
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aad157 No.16879322
Why is it that these threads are always either entirely people shitting on Smash Bros or entirely entirely shills from Hackurai's soy golem army? It's one or the other, never inbetween.
>>16879258
>Mickey Mouse
Seriously nigger? Not even modern Nintendo deserves the rat.
>>16879294
It's sad that nothing came from NX, but honestly there isn't a lot that nuSmash does that Legacy XP doesn't. All that's missing is the roster, and Sakurai was clearly running out of ideas by Smash 4.
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e2476a No.16879343
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Smash was a mistake.
I don't know what they did but the magic is gone.
Nothing about the series is good anymore and I'm questioning if it ever was.
Every game in the series has extreme flaws in the gameplay, either accidental or deliberate, that constantly battles my ability to enjoy the game in any way.
I don't get any joy from new character reveals anymore because I know that instead of actual cool characters or obscure retro picks that Nintendo would be able to do they'll just pick the same generic, boring animu fuckboys from some shitty JRPG that you'd have to be a weapons-grade autistic weeb to even begin to give a fuck about.
The game never lives up to its potential, always embattled by shitty netcode, bad controls, a horrible input buffer, and the WORST, most autistic community of anti-social soychugging manbabies you've ever seen in your life. These people do not know how to communicate with other human beings and rarely know anything about video games outside of what gets released on Nintendo consoles and every "obscure" title they DO know about, they learned about from Smash. They regularly get at each others throats for not supporting horrendous character choices like Steve from Minecraft or Waluigi. And Sakurai enables the lot of them to act like trolls by constantly trolling them himself, ensuring that the Smash community is one of constant autistic infighting, because if he doesn't even show any respect to the community what hope is there of finding any within it? He does things like hang a lampshade over the fact that there are too many anime swordsmen in Smash, and he adds another one anyways. In the reveal trailer for Byleth they acknowledge this complaint and basically just say "we've heard you, we just don't care", basically a slap in the face to everyone who was anticipating literally ANYTHING else.
There is NOTHING about Smash's gameplay that warrants the amount of bullshit orbiting it. Smash has not made any major evolutions or improvements to gameplay in nearly 20 years and in fact each game almost feels like a step backwards. Netcode constantly gets worse. Input buffer keeps eating your attacks. Less actual content exists, like trophies, which were a fun and interesting way of cataloguing trivia of all the different franchises that exist in the game. Instead they replaced them with garbage "spirit quest" event matches where once you have a broken enough spirit team just becomes an unfun chore, and all you unlock is more floating jpegs of artwork we've seen before. After the honeymoon period of a new character reveal is finished the characters just feel like another facsimile of a game we used to play, they don't feel anything like themselves, they don't even feel like they're occupying the same world space as any of the other characters. They're just doing precanned animations and sound effects from old games in an aggressive manner towards other objects in the environment that may or may not be there, never acknowledging each other in their animations or mannerisms, never even seeming like they see other characters standing next to each other. Ever try standing Banjo and Mario next to each other? They don't even seem to be aware of each other's existence, they just assume battle poses while staring off into space, and this is reflective of the entire roster not even behaving like they occupy the same world. In a game like Street Fighter characters would engaging in headtracking movements to match each other's gaze, they would constantly look each other in the face and actually have interactions like character specific winquotes and other things, Smash doesn't attempt any of this stuff, it's just painting by numbers over and over again. "Oh, remember thing from this game? We've updated its graphics and put it into Smash". That's it. Characters don't acknowledge the new worlds they visit, they behave the same way regardless of where they are or who they're fightng, they don't exist in the same world.
Smash has no soul anymore. I wonder if it ever did.
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c52a47 No.16879346
>>16879185
>What are your thoughts?
Less characters and more modes.
>Is anything missing that you would like to see added or anything you would like to see changed? Modes, Fighters, Stages, Music, Assists, Bosses, Mechanics, Content, etc?
Bring back Smash Run, maybe update it to have more maps or something.
>How was Ultimate's Fighter's Pass 1 for you? What would you want Ultimate's Fighter's Pass 2 to look like?
Banjo feels like he belongs and it's a shame he wasn't in the game sooner. Fighter's Pass 2 needs to be as fan-servicy as possible for me to care, everyone I wanted in Smash was there from day 1 so I'm happy with the current roster.
>When do you think Ultimate will get it's next DLC character?
If there isn't a direct this Thursday after the indie direct, there'll probably be one next week.
>>16879242
I need to get in Krystal.
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20f46b No.16879360
>want more traditional fighting game characters thrown in because they're just more fun to play in general
it's retarded to add anything else
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84f119 No.16879368
>>16879343
I can already hear Hackurai's white knights rushing to their keyboards to shit together their schizophrenic "rebuttals" to your post. Any defense of Ultishit should be immediately discarded.
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a751ba No.16879379
>all this samefagging
I hate Ultimate as much as the next guy but this is retarded
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3ac1cd No.16879396
>>16879379
Well you called it, apologies.
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4a4f54 No.16879400
>>16879379
>samefagging
What's your proof, faggot?
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3ac1cd No.16879407
>>16879400
I can vouch for it, I checked the post histories and it was one faggot IP hopping. Probably to spite me, despite me of being critical of the series and thinking that Project M was the peak of Smash Bros.
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4a4f54 No.16879439
>>16879407
Project M stinks though.
I mean granted it's better than Brawl and others by s long shot but it's still a jar folks. Still a jar all the way.
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3ac1cd No.16879495
>>16879439
Perhaps, but it's still the peak of the series.
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b680ec No.16879586
>>16879295
Non video game as in, he doesn't originate from video games. Sakurai's only rule about being included in Smash Bros. is that they should be a video game character. But considering how many video games Mickey Mouse has had and how influential he was during the 16-bit era, that's exactly why I want him in.
It's ironic because I hate Disney and Nintendo as companies, but I think seeing Mickey Mouse in Smash Bros. would be neat. It'd also piss off Sorafags, so that'd be a bonus.
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a751ba No.16879608
>>16879586
You're no better than some random nigger asking for Goku tbh
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b680ec No.16879615
>>16879343
For it's time when it was released on the N64 it was an interesting concept, it was neat to see a 4 player fighting game where you could play as varying protagonists from other games. And sadly I agree with a majority of the points you've made. It's sad they haven't done much else with it. Even things like the selection of Items, Stages, Assists, feel haphazard or random now. Smash Bros. is proof you can sell a video game repeatedly off of concept alone. I still like that concept, but I agree and wish more was done with it.
>>16879608
I know, but at least I'll acknowledge it and know it'll never happen outside of mods.
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e49554 No.16879621
It needs a much, much more robust single player, adventure mode was made using kirby games as a base, do that again. You dont need to make a story mode just make a new adventure mode like melee and custom tailor each to each character. Classic should be based on og classic with the only changes being the difficulty you select. Stage creator for break the target/ board the platform/ race to the finish would be awesome. More villain chars. No more fucking chars that have nothing to do with nintendo, fuck cloud and joker both they should not be there.
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b680ec No.16879648
>>16879621
I've had multiple ideas for Smash Bros. modes that I've toyed around with. One of them being a Single Player Adventure mode that replicates the genre for each character you play as and changes it's objective based on that.
For example Kirby's stage would play similar to a Kirby game and involve inhaling all the enemies needed to create his full moveset to use those moves. Cutter, Rock, Fighter, Burning, Hammer, etc. This would be able to function as a sort of history lesson for where characters moves come from or what their games are like.
Link's stage would be a dungeon maze that you'd need to navigate and figure out different puzzles revolving around items you need to find that make up Link's moveset. Destroying weak walls with Bombs, hitting switches with the Boomerang or Arrows, blocking projectiles with the Shield.
Mario's stage would play similarly to a 2D Mario platformer and serve as the most basic of levels.
Although because every character would have a stage or level like this, it might be a bit much, so having main characters with a stage would be prioritized over villains or side characters.
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3deede No.16879655
>>16879621
>No more fucking chars that have nothing to do with nintendo, fuck cloud and joker both they should not be there.
Pretty much my thoughts of current state smash. At least Castlevania and Megaman both had a romp on the older nintendo systems.
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e2476a No.16879662
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>>16879586
If we ever got non-video game characters in the game I actually think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles would be pretty cool, particularly if they came with music and stuff from the Konami games.
>>16879615
It's tragic. On paper Smash seems like a dream game but they always fuck up the execution.
>For it's time when it was released on the N64 it was an interesting concept, it was neat to see a 4 player fighting game where you could play as varying protagonists from other games
Yeah, and then Power Stone came out soon afterwards and did it way better.
As a matter of fact, I think many of Smash's problems would be solved if it had originated as an arcade game instead of a home console game.
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b680ec No.16879666
>>16879648
More examples of character specific stages.
Mario = Platforming Stage
DK = Avoiding Hazards Stage
Link / Legend of Zelda = Puzzle Dungeon Stage
Samus / Metroid = Navigational Stage
Yoshi = Collect-a-Thon Stage
Kirby = Kirby-esque Stage
Fox / Star Fox = On-Rails Combat Stage
Pikachu / Pokemon = Triple Battle Stage
Ness / Earthbound = Surreal Effects Stage
Captain Falcon / F-ZERO = Race / Speed Stage
Marth / Fire Emblem = Limited Moves Stage
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973ad4 No.16879690
>>16879185
All Smash games are pretty much carried by their roster, more or less, and they all kind of suck when you play long enough to lower your hype. I am not talking about it as a jaded fag, Melee was my favorite but I don't think I crammed more than 200ish hours into it and most of the time I've owned it I just lent it to other kids to play superior games, albeit shorter (Sunshine, Wario World, Air Ride and Chibi Robo, to name a few).
Ironically, what kills Smash the most is the fact that it's at the same time TOO referential and too unfocused on what it wants to reference. 64 is just plain bad, I remember getting bored of it after the third match at a friend's house because the framerate visibly tanked even for an illiterate child, Melee had the perfect mix of moves that reference shit but still have some sort of "realistic startup and impact" if you understand what I mean. All fighters (barring clones, which were made as bonus content that would not have necessarily been added in) have their sort of archetype, even forgoing muh pro-gaymer wavedashing and multishines, you had the jack of all trades in Mario, the luck based characters like Luigi and M&W, the joke characters that could turn bullshit strong if played right in Jigglypuff and Pichu, the zoner in Samus, the rushdown in Captain Falcon and Fox and even a bit of a grappler/puppeteer in Ice Climbers. Most characters sort of clicked, the amount of content you could unlock was insane and you always craved for more, but the core game was just weak and carried only by the "who would win" aspect of it all. It's the reason why stuff like MUGEN is so popular. In fact, Rivals of Aether is probably a better smash game than mainline smash exactly because it just cares about fun matchups.
Brawl was the point from which the series started shitting the bed, no new character had any real reason for being added in other than street cred, problem is that you can pick up the original twelve characters plus a few newcomers from Melee and the game would still be fun and playable, but add in referential moves that make no sense in the context of smash's 2d action and you start breaking the game in the same way Rivals of Aether does, except in the latter you chose to have the bullshit characters installed, in Brawl's case (and the same happens with all future games) you paid top dollars to play against Meta Knight or Bayonetta or Sakurai's waifus over and over again if you just want to win.
So basically, it's too referential because you have balance issues out the ass that ruin the game both at competitive and casual fields (there's no reason Hero/Shunlk/Blyat have billions of moves, most of which nullify the strengths of other characters, nor there's any reason why characters like Inkling/Sonic/MetaKnight have moves with identical startups and similar animations that ultimately do the same thing) yet it doesn't know what makes the series stand out from the rest, namely celebrating vidya, so 20 Fire Emblem or Pokèmon reps are redundant as fuck when there's tons of Nintendo - and non - franchises that have characters that could easily fit with specific gameplay styles. Like, Little Mac should have been super counter heavy, since 99% of Punch Out is less about punching and more about dodging your opponent, grapplers basically don't exist in Nintendo's mind etc.
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e2476a No.16879843
>>16879258
>But I guess if the Rosalina and Daisy fanbases can complain enough to get their characters in, I would hope Krystal can be a possibility too, but at the same time it feels awkward to support her inclusion because Furries exist.
I mean Daisy fanboys are all insufferable faggots but I don't recall any such misbehavior from us Rosalina chads.
I love Rosalina and I didn't even care to support her for Smash. I was happy that she got in, but I wasn't constantly moaning about having her in. I didn't see much of this happening from any Rosie fanboys.
Rosalina is motherly and gentle, why would we want her to be a Smash contender? She doesn't need the validation of Smash to be worthwhile.
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8248c9 No.16879921
>>16879843
NINTENDO'S LIGHTNING
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3ac1cd No.16879932
>>16879843
LIGHTNING BEGONE
>>16879921
Well technically Yoshi was the first Lightning, but everyone actually liked Yoshi
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e2476a No.16879958
>>16879932
I mean you allude to an invisible crowd of "Rosalina fanboys that cried until she got in Smash" and you're the only one doing the crying. I think she's more popular than you care to admit.
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3ac1cd No.16879984
>>16879958
Meh, she's basically the new Yoshi/Bowser Jr. type character. I'm kinda surprised we didn't get one with Odyssey, although at the same time I'm also thankful.
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3ac1cd No.16879985
>>16879938
I just want someone else to take over and make it into a good game.
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c98203 No.16880016
>>16879360
Better put another Fire Emburem character in!
Still disappointed that Dante didn't get in, but maybe it's for the better so he doesn't get infected by the nigger cattle.
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5cd4ee No.16880036
>>16879843
I can't think of any reason for pic related to exist not involving toddlercon.
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eea0d7 No.16880042
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4a4f54 No.16880086
Good third party characters:
Earthworm Jim
Goemon
Dr. Eggman
Spyro the Dragon
Master Chief
Bub & Bob
Good first party characters:
Andross
F-Type
Mona
Takamaru
Lip
Mach Rider
Funky Kong
Samurai Goroh
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e19cc1 No.16880110
>Games losing their balance of single and multiplayer content, with the last two entries heavily geared toward multiplayer with single player content being pitiful
>Soundtracks no longer having an identity, now just a mishmash of mp3s thrown in haphazardly regardless of quality
>Additional characters coming with more unique or gimmicky toolkits really show the age of some of the earlier characters
>constant third-party characters makes the game no longer feel like a Nintendo celebration and strips it away of even more identity
>any references, whether character additions or otherwise, are more blatantly corporate then ever before
>The insane recoveries most of the cast have now at this point keep people alive for way too long, making the entire games far more boring
It's hard for me to care about this series anymore. It somehow became too bloated for it's own good.
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e69863 No.16880141
I don't know if any one else felt like this but
>squeenix agrees to putting Cloud in the game
>when Crono exists and was actually on a fucking jewtendo console
>or any of the other FF characters that are actually on a nintendo console
>fucking Cloud
FFaggots just won't stop gobbling Cloud's cock when he's just as fucking boring as the FF7 storyline.
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4a4f54 No.16880146
>>16880141
Cloud is far and away more well known than Crono and is basically the face of Square's most internationally known series. Sorry but Crono never stood a chance.
Although I do think it wouldve made more sense to add Terra from FF3/6.
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d31dd3 No.16880163
>>16880141
Cloud appeared in Theaterhythm and FFE on 3DS, as well as Chain of Memories on GBA.
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e69863 No.16880174
>>16880146
Just because something is true that doesn't make it any less gay.
>>16880163
I stand mildly corrected. But it's still gay.
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b26468 No.16880187
>>16879294
Oh how horrible, some mod basically nobody (not even the unwashed pretentious faggots who still play melee) wanted won't get an version for the latest release of the game.
Bitch the Fan being gone since Smash 4 (wiiu/3ds) is a bigger travesty.
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e2476a No.16880202
>Mysterious letters with the Smash logo appear in various universes, each addressed to heroes and villains, who all have their own different responses to it - some don't receive letters at all but simply chase their nemesis to where they're going, each invitee finding 'ways' between their worlds to other game worlds
>The letters can actually all be traced back to a mysterious figure wearing white gloves, who lives in a place 'outside' the game worlds, a place constructed of classic tabletop game pieces and other tangible items, based on stuff like card games, backgammon, chess, go, and a number of other games
>This figure has the ability to shift 'game pieces', and is able to do that with the boards and game pieces representing each game world in Smash, which has the consequence of screwing with the game realities in unforeseeable ways - removing critical game pieces at critical moments can cause their worlds to be plunged into disaster, for example removing the 'Link' game piece from the world of Zelda BOTW causes Calamity Ganon to destroy the world as there is no one to stop him
>Initially this figure just plays around with the game pieces for his own amusement, but he seems to be building towards a larger and more insane ambition - getting the characters to all realize that they are in fact 'playthings', fictional characters playing out their lives for the entertainment of an unseen other
>This 'unseen other' is actually the Master Hands - the hands in actuality are the hands of the players, YOU, playing Smash Bros
>The figure manipulating the game pieces is actually revealed to be Nintendo's first 'character' - the Emperor seen on their deck of Hanafuda cards back in 1889, simply called Emperor Hanafuda
>The Emperor was driven insane by over a century of wandering alone and without purpose after having lost a crucial game piece of his own game - a card with a ninetailed fox on it, in actuality a princess-like woman who can take the form of a ninetailed fox, and his former lover
>He learned of the other game worlds and became obsessed with cursing them, spiting them, doing everything to manipulate them
>During his many years he created the godlike beings seen in Smash, such as Tabuu and the subspace army, and Tabuu slowly went out of his control, and used his methods to create Galeem and Dharkon
>The Emperor created all of these things in the same way Nintendo made Hanafuda cards - hand-painting them on carved tree bark and making them into playing cards, where they became real game pieces
>New types of master hands get introduced, fancier-looking gloves, some adorned with jewels, some adorned with embroidered patterns, all seeming to focus on specific characters
>These hands are actually the hands of the creators who made these characters
This is the kind of story I would give Smash. Something kind of meta and fourth wall breaking that deliberately avoids the trapping of 'heroes and villains from every universe team up to fight racism!' That kind of shit has been done to death, and it doesn't really give an explanation for why certain characters are there. Why are Wii Fit Trainer, Duck Hunt and Mr. Game and Watch participating in such a thing? They're hardly 'heroes', they appear to be more constructs for amusement.
Many twists and turns would abound in this story and each game universe would have its own chapter where it interacts with another universe for maximum entertainment value.
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e91ff5 No.16880207
Disclaimer: I have not played Ultimate because I do not own a Switch nor do I desire to buy one until a substantial hardware revision (because early-adapters are suckers).
>Fighters
I used to have an extremely autistic "celebration/representation of Nintendo's history" approach to wishing for character additions, but by and large I'm satisfied with the roster. Smash Ultimate added a lot of characters I've wanted in the series for some time and Brawl and 4 likewise had many good additions. If anything I'd strike characters because Bayonetta, Joker, and Cloud upset the lingering traces of what I felt like the series should look for in a new character, but I get that what I'd like the series to go for and what it actually does are two different things. I do not actually want any more characters because it feels disgustingly greedy to make a wishlist even when I can think of characters that would potentially be good additions (by my criteria, which is not Sakurai/Nintendo's criteria).
>Stages
There should be a Wave Race stage, though. I don't feel greedy about wishing for that.
>Assists
The ghost from Geist could be cool, maybe have it hijack your character and do whatever is most detrimental to you for a few seconds without outright self-destructing you (or maybe SDs would be more fun).
>Bosses
Never ever happening, but Pious Augustus from Eternal Darkness would be awesome.
>How was Ultimate's Fighter's Pass 1 for you? What would you want Ultimate's Fighter's Pass 2 to look like?
1 looks to be pretty solid in theory. Piranha Plant looks charming. Banjo would have been a really strong Smash 1 addition, so I think his addition is one of the most interesting even if his moveset doesn't look like it adds that much. Everyone knows about Japan's eternal love for Dragon Quest, so Hero is about as on-point as possible for a third-party pick. Joker is an advertisement, but in principle I think an SMT-related rep was a good idea. I would've liked it better if he had some of the more notable demons from the SMT franchise instead of just Arsene, but I guess his gameplay looks unique anyway so mission accomplished for what Atlus and Sakurai probably wanted. Terry Bogart isn't all that Nintendo-linked, but he is the most prominent SNK character and the effort they put into making him function uniquely is amazing.
I expect 2 to be weaker by far. I also haven't played Three Houses, so I can't really comment on Byleth, looks like an advertisement, but at least he/she incorporates all the weapons that haven't made their way into Smash. Short of adding a manakete/laguz/dedicated magic user/dedicated non-sword user/villain they should be done with Fire Emblem reps for the series, I hope (as a Fire Emblem fan). I just doubt that season 2 can do any long-overdue picks like Banjo at this point and the team working on the game has to be tired so I doubt there will be any Terry-tier labors of love. It'll probably be mostly surprise picks like Goku, Master Chief, Crash Bandicoot, Steve, Sans, etc. in which case I will devolve into autistic screeching that will not cease until I forget about Smash.
>When do you think Ultimate will get it's next DLC character?
Probably around whenever Nintendo does their Not-e3 Direct, probably as an "out right now" type deal to build hype for a weak showing as Nintendo works on multi-year projects.
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cf89b0 No.16880236
>>16880146
>Although I do think it wouldve made more sense to add Terra from FF3/6.
Same. But maybe do something like a Pokemon Trainer-esque "switch out" mechanic with her, Locke, and Edgar to maintain the whole "multiple protagonist" feeling Final Fantasy VI had.
>>16880163
None of those are Final Fantasy VII though. That's like saying someone such as Stahn should have a chance at getting into Smash because Project X Zone was on the 3DS. Cameos, crossovers, side games, and spinoffs shouldn't count as basis when an actual main series game the character was from wasn't on a Nintendo system to begin with.
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306024 No.16880261
>>16880187
You been living under a rock, buddy? When PM hit it was the biggest thing to happen to smash and I have no doubts it would have outperformed Smash 4 had Nintendo not refused to endorse tournaments that ran it, got Twitch to demonetize everyone who streamed it and had some bad eggs in the dev team not decided to shut everything down so they could bet it all on Icons.
PM had most of the top level, and I mean the absolute best in the world, Melee, Brawl and even 64 players on board. PM is pretty much the reason VGBootcamp became popular in the first place even if they were one of the firsts to turn their back on it when the Nintendohammer came down. I remember being at Xanadu after they discontinued PM streams and seeing TK Breezy playing PM friendlies looking like the life had been drained from his body.
Man I fucking miss that game. Project Plus is a continuation of it but the community is never gonna be the same.
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a751ba No.16880324
>>16880261
P+ is probably next in Ryan Morrison's hit list after LXP.
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b949f9 No.16880747
>>16880036
Even if toddlercon is the only reason for it to exist, it's a damn good one.
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d5f662 No.16880795
>>16880036
I could've swore I made a post last night about how I fantasized about Yoshis having pedo orgies with the lolis. Did Mark delete it?
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3ac1cd No.16880797
>>16880324
So is this cunt going directly to these modders in order to get them to stop? I'm surprised no one made a thread about Legacy XP getting canned.
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a751ba No.16880846
>>16880797
Most threads that mention PM or Melee just get spammed with "le ebin take a shower meme xDDDD", so no one bothers.
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3ac1cd No.16880864
>>16880846
I mean, this is honestly the first time I'm hearing about this. Maybe I'll make a thread or something since this is some serious shit going on.
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aad157 No.16880872
>>16880324
>>16880797
>Legacy XP actually got cocked and dicked
I fucking hate Smash Bros so much.
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e2476a No.16880953
>>16880795
>>16880747
You should delete yourselves.
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000000 No.16880967
>>16879343
For the most part you're right. I think it peaked with Smash 4, it was the right balance of making the gameplay fast again after they fucked up with Brawl, a roster that wasn't oversaturated with characters that have anything to do with Nintendo, and wasn't plagued with technical issues like Ultimate is. There have been no gameplay innovations besides custom stage gimmicks and the introduction of final smashes in Brawl, you can only refine the same formula so much. As for the netcode, however, P2P is always a shit system for hosting games, some are just better at hiding it than others (Payday 2 comes to mind) it only really works in turn-based games with a small number of players per game. I keep trying to think of ways in my mind of how they can build on the Smash formula to make it new again instead of just remastering it for the next 3 consoles. I'm wondering if they would be able to make the transition to a 3D fighter work. I haven't seen it used much since the late 90s/early 2000s, most likely because it'd be hard to come up with a competent control scheme, but surely they'd be able to find a way. I do enjoy Ultimate but it is very disappointing how little there is to do in it despite the name (World of Light was a 7 hour chore, all the classic paths are just fights against an increasingly harder CPU, no Smash Run 2.0, Home Run Contest wasn't even added until a year later).
I think I miss the old games not because they're better but because I was younger and had more positive memories with them including the hundreds of snapshots I took of ZSS. Now that I've become older and more jaded/cynical (thanks faggots) everything else is worse by comparison.
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f99fd0 No.16881009
>>16880967
>I keep trying to think of ways in my mind of how they can build on the Smash formula to make it new again instead of just remastering it for the next 3 consoles.
Outside of giving different franchises attention on each outing and providing an overall "speed" option so players can decide for themselves if they want Melee's turbo or Brawl's snail-pace or something in-between (Which fighting games did back in the 90's), experiment with the different ways you can make a single-player mode to a fighting game. Expand upon the original version of Adventure mode, make another overarching SSE, make the gameplay similar to that of the Kirby games or like Zelda 2, etc.
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e2476a No.16881131
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>>16880967
What I think they should try to do is make Smash more of an arcade-style game, like Power Stone. Make it much faster, make real combos a thing, make it so that gameplay is more than just sticking out aerials and hoping something lands.
Smash right now is a very campy game, there's lots of camping and turtling involved and it's too slow-paced. There are protracted battles where you just keep juggling someone off the stage, even if they're above it, the game just becomes a battle of the character trying to get back on, it's annoying, slow-paced and stupid. Like I said earlier, Smash would've been more fun and would play better if it had originated as an arcade game.
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1ef6f2 No.16881223
>>16880967
> no Smash Run 2.0,
good, it was garbage.
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04147a No.16881252
>>16879185
This is a complex question. I'm perfectly fine with Smash 64 and Melee, but starting with Brawl, the uninteresting shit characters came rolling in. Some of my wishes came true though (e.g. K. Rool). Neither own a WiiU or Switch anyway.
Here's a list of characters I'd have loved to see:
>Super Paper Mario
>Geno
>Mewtwo Y instead of Mewtwo
>a different generation Pokemon Trainer
>a non-shitty Wario based on Wario Land and its transformations
>Zant
>Wolf Link with Midna on his back
>a Mario Soccer character, any
>Horror Kid, of course
>Marx from Kirby… I mean his moveset was basically gift wrapped
Guest characters I'd have loved to see:
>Travis Touchdown
>Sans
>a Monster Hunter from 3rd Gen
>the ninja from Ninja Gaiden
…and stages:
>Clock Town
>Rainbow Road (wait, did they add it?)
>any other F-Zero GX stage
>a Metroid Fusion stage, maybe one that switches ecosystems constantly
>a pirate or pinball themed Wario stage
>a Mario Party themed stage with dice and events triggered by appearing platforms.
>a floating platform Mario Galaxy stage (does that exist?)
>a Paper Mario stage that constantly switches between 2D and 3D
I'd have way more ideas for a Playstation All-Stars 2 though.
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1ef6f2 No.16881297
>>16879185
>Stages,
How about ROB gets a fucking dedicated stage?
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fdbf8d No.16881302
>>16881297
How about ROB gets removed in the next Smash since ROB was a garbage gimmick peripheral that had two 'games' that both fucking sucked?
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306024 No.16881425
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>>16880324
>>16880261
WE LIVIN' BOYS
I'm at work so I can't webm
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aad157 No.16881472
>>16881425
>knuckles with a fully finished moveset
That's pretty neat. Why is it being built off of the TE version of Legacy, though?
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f12357 No.16881493
>>16881472
TE was just 3.6 with cosmetic changes and extras that didn't affect gameplay. It was purely for adding flair while still maintaining a tournament legal build. XP was the "fuck it" pack that added everything under the sun without regards to legality. Project + wants to be the new tournament standard Project M patch so they based it on TE.
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a751ba No.16881609
>>16881425
That's the last update my dude, for all we know they got the same treatment LXP got.
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af90b1 No.16881791
Am I the only one in this thread who is completely opposed to guest/third party characters? Maybe I'm autistic, but it keeps the roster number down and it keeps the game as a celebration of Nintendo and not just M.U.G.E.N. with a Smash Bros. skin on it.
>>16881252
They had Mario Kart 7's Rainbow Road in the 3DS version, I haven't played Ultimate yet so I can't confirm if it's in there. There was a Mario Galaxy Stage, but not the one you're thinking about introduced in Smash 4.
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1ef6f2 No.16881858
>>16881791
>I haven't played Ultimate yet so I can't confirm if it's in there.
It is not. It is essentially replaced by a track from Mario Kart 8.
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e2476a No.16881921
>>16881425
>A trailer unironically makes me hype for a Smash game
>It's a fangame
>Tfw this much creativity and passion and love for fun gameplay will never be in the actual Smash games
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cf89b0 No.16882140
>>16881791
>Am I the only one in this thread who is completely opposed to guest/third party characters?
I am too for the most part, though I don't mind like likes of Simon and Mega Man as their series were frequently on Nintendo for generations, or Banjo for being heavily associated with Nintendo. At most, one or two third parties as guests (like in Brawl) would be alright, so long as they've actually had the game they stem from on a Nintendo system to begin with, but at present it's felt like Smash has lost a good bit of its Nintendo focus to serve as multi-company shilling. Especially when it's not like they're out of first and second party characters yet. All the nuFire Emblem focus can fuck off though.
Really, Playstation All-stars is what would have really benefited from third party characters (in that Sony doesn't really bother to keep most of their own franchises relevant the way Nintendo does); just not in the "multiplat is fine" way they handled it before.
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af90b1 No.16882160
>>16882140
>spoiler
This and how they handle Pokemon and neglect a few others in terms of the roster is obnoxious. There hasn't been a proper Zelda newcomer or a Pokemon newcomer that wasn't just based off of what gen released around that time since Melee. Speaking of which, I think I guessed how one Fighter's Pass Slot is going to be wasted.
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cf89b0 No.16882176
>>16882160
Pokemon at least has something of an excuse in that with the mons being the focus and coming in a variety of forms and gimmicks, it can be easy to make varied fighters of at least a small portion of those. Fire Emblem though, all of the characters they've added from it are sword users (minus Robin being a caster hybrid), right? I'll admit I don't have a switch, so it's not like I've played Ultimate myself. In any case though, both could do with less focus on "new and shiny" for the characters picked, but I wager that characters from the older games of both have less shilling value, unless Nintendo clears remakes of them yet again.
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e2476a No.16882205
>>16881791
>Am I the only one in this thread who is completely opposed to guest/third party characters?
I'm not opposed to third parties but the problem is they keep choosing the worst possible ones.
Joker is a faggot and should've been aborted at conception.
DQ Hero wouldn't be so horrendously gay if it wasn't for the fact that Fire Emblem already created a homogenization of that type of character design.
Banjo is cool and should've been added back in Melee.
Terry Bogard is fine, but he has nothing at all to do with Nintendo and I'm wondering why he's here.
Bayonetta's cool.
Cloud is neat but should've been replaced with Terra since FF3/6 is the one FF game that has the most association with Super Nintendo.
Ryu/Ken, Megaman, Pac-Man and Sonic all make sense, they are practically legendary icons, and three of them made their mark on Nintendo systems, whereas Sonic is the most famous character of a rival company.
Simon and Richter make sense because classic Castlevania is commonly associated with the NES.
Truthfully lots of classic franchises have associations with Nintendo but they keep choosing the wrong ones.
I think they should add:
Goemon,, Sparkster, Earthworm Jim, Bomberman, Battletoads and Conker, just to name a few. Existing third party franchises should get more too like Dr. Eggman, Chun-Li, Knuckles, and Megaman X (or Zero).
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e19cc1 No.16882292
>>16881791
>Am I the only one in this thread who is completely opposed to guest/third party characters?
Nope. I've soured on guest characters throughout the entire industry. Completely lost it's luster. In the context of Smash I love Banjo and Terry but my feelings remain the same.
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9be3fd No.16886373
>>16879185
>What are your thoughts?
A good series of platformer fighting games that were ruined by rosterfaggotry and the lead developer, Masahiro Sakurai, making bad decisions i.e. favoritism of certain series that he worked on, autism of only having the "main character" of any series as the rep which is bad for series like Fire Emblem were the main protag of each FE game are always the swordlord/swordlord archetype most of the time
>Is anything missing that you would like to see added or anything you would like to see changed? Modes, Fighters, Stages, Music, Assists, Bosses, Mechanics, Content, etc?
Bring back the missing stages that weren't added in Ultimate i.e. the 3DS Pacman stage and classic smash single player modes like break the target & board the platforms
>How was Ultimate's Fighter's Pass 1 for you?
It was great (And that includes piranha plant) except for Byleth. Byleth by far was the worst DLC fighter in any Smash game ever and I'm still angry about Byleth's inclusion to this day. I would of even take Edelgard as the Three Houses rep and this is coming from someone who hates Edelgard. (But the best Three Houses rep would of been Dimitri Alexandre Blaiddyd).
>What would you want Ultimate's Fighter's Pass 2 to look like?
No main swordlord of the next Fire Emblem game on switch that's for sure. Other than that, A Bamco rep, Doomguy/Doom Slayer, Geno, Ryu Hayabusa, Dante, and Rex from Xenoblade 2 would be the ideal way to make the next fighter pass better the first one IMHO, but idk who's going to be in FP Vol. 2 at this point.
>When do you think Ultimate will get it's next DLC character?
Whenever the next Nintendo Direct comes out, which should be this week going by a rumor from some insiderfag that was reported on.
>>16879209
>NO MORE DLC/UPDATES.
Sorry anon, Sakurai is going to work on Ultimate until the roster goes over 100 unique fighters plus new echo fighters added along side the new fighters. And no, I don't believe that what he said that FP Vol. 2 is the last round of Ultimate's DLC because he's a bad liar that goes and do the opposite of what he said in the future.
>>16882160
Didn't Sword and Shield got a spirit event last year? If there was a Sword and Shield rep in FP Vol. 2 then there wouldn't be a Sword and Shield event last year much like how Three House didn't get a spirit event & then Byleth was revealed as FP5 in FP Vol. 1.
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e2476a No.16886472
>>16886373
>A good series of platformer fighting games
>Good
This was your first mistake.
Smash was never good.
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c764da No.16886524
>>16886373
Punished Dimitri would've been a great addition.
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15ad32 No.16887062
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>>16886963
I always someone who is
>Iconic to gaming
>Has an extremely successful and popular game series (Like millions of dollars successful)
>Had an actual full game featured on a Nintendo console and not just a character cameo in a collab fightan game
And 6 manly non fruity anime boy contenders I got were
Geralt of Rivia
The Chosen Undead
Dante from DMC
Monster Hunter
The Dragonborn
Any GTA Protagonist
I would also like the Arisen from DD to make it in but unfortunately DD:DA is seemingly too niche for that, unless if its like with Pits case and Sakurai wants to start representing relatively niche games again.
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15ad32 No.16887069
>>>/v/16887062
*I always want someone who is
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15ad32 No.16887204
>>16887175
I agree with you.
At this point, anybody asking for more or even different fire emblem characters from byleth in smash must have some kind of mental disability.
There are DOZENS of amazing characters from so many different franchises who got shafted by some faggot from nintendos flavor of the year cashcow. Worse thing is, so many retards take that bait, hook, line and sinker.
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3ac1cd No.16887219
>>16887204
I'd be fine with a Fire Emblem rep if they weren't obviously there to represent the new game. I wanted to see Lyn and Black Knight in the games for a while, but sadly they were overshadowed by NuFire Emblem characters. That said while your previous post was bait, I do agree that there are a TON of Nintendo franchises they can easily put in, but refuse too.
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9be3fd No.16887513
>>16886524
Indeed he would be a great Three Houses rep (Although if Dimitri was chosen, we would of gotten both Academy Dimitri as the first skin and Time Skip Punished Dimitri as the second skin much like Ike with the first being PoR Ike and the second being RD Ike) but unfortunately, Dimitri isn't the main playable character according to Sakurai and that's why Byleth got in since Byleth is the main character of all 4 routes of Three Houses.
>>16887062
>Geralt of Rivia
Why do you want a book character in Smash Bros? Smash Bros is a video game crossover series and any character that didn't originated from a video game can't get in. Other than that, everyone else that you listed is fine by me. Hell, Dante from DMC is one of my most wanted to be included in Smash Bros and I hope he's one of the fighters in FP Vol. 2.
>>16887204
>>16887219
Again, the reason why Fire Emblem in Smash Bros is so conversational isn't that there are too many Fire Emblem characters. Pokemon has a lot of characters and I see nobody complain about too many Pokemon characters. The REAL problem is that how poor the representation of Fire Emblem is in Smash Bros. Fire Emblem is a SRPG that has so many characters that fight with a variety of weapons with magic casters and shapeshifters included but yet 7 out of the 8 FE reps have been the swordlord/swordlord archetype and half of them play way too similar to each other. If Sakurai wasn't so hellbent on pushing his "main character/avatar as the series/game rep" so much on Fire Emblem, then there would of been a better variety of FE characters that aren't always the swordlord/swordlord archetype all of the time. But somehow, Sakurai will never give Fire Emblem a good representation in Smash Bros to a point were I think he's doing this on purpose.
>>16882140
And one thing that I unironically think that Playstation All-stars: Battle Royale did great is that the devs didn't push the "main character as the series rep" on to every series that appeared in PSABA i.e. Bioshock, Killzone, and to some extant Twisted Metal & Tekken. Too bad the gameplay wasn't that great.
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5cd4ee No.16887534
This is what the Fire Emblem character selection looks like.
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60fa4d No.16887583
One thing I hate is that so many chatacters have a counter as their down B now. Every time it shows up it looks like they ran out of moveset ideas. The prevalence of counters and the perfect shielding change make the offense in ultimate really feel like a slog, which is its biggest flaw.
Another thing I really hate is the way KOs work in ultimate. It feels like you could KO with a wide variety of moves in 64, melee, and brawl if the opponent's damage was high enough. In ultimate, some moves seem to have a massive launch bonus like Link's running A. It feels way easier to KO with that than his smash attacks.
And finally they should just stop adding Fire Emblem characters. Corrin is the worst character on the roster: a part-dragon mary sue/marty stu who's too good for shoes, nobody knows what game he's from, and all of his attacks are inscrutable twisting magic crap. The first time you fight him you're taken off guard by how odd all of his attacks look. That plus his strong counter that every Corrin player spams makes him the least fun character to fight in the entire game. Robin also sucks and Blyeth (Blyleth? Byleth? Blyat? Bile?) does too.
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9b8c66 No.16887635
Is it just me or does 5mash have the worst stage selection possible?
>>16887534
I'd main Raichu.
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3ac1cd No.16887640
>>16887513
>>16887534
Yeah, Fire Emblem has got the shit end of the stick. It's a shame honestly.
>>16887583
Not to mention that most of the specials are based off Fox. Just look at Pit if you want a good example of Sakurai's lack of creativity.
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877ee2 No.16887643
>>16887513
>Again, the reason why Fire Emblem in Smash Bros is so conversational isn't that there are too many Fire Emblem characters
Yes it is. Fire Emblem is a fucking shit series and even if its characters had wildly different move sets it still wouldnt justify having this many of them.
Smash is supposed to be a series where every character is wholly unique and diverse. That's completely lost by wasting all its screentime on a series full of samey and boring generic fantasy RPG designs that even its fans have hated since the Gamecube.
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000000 No.16887760
>>16887583
>Side special is a really long pointy stick
>Side smash is that same long pointy stick
>Down special is a pointy club
>Down smash is that same pointy club
Hackurai tried so hard to make sure Blyat had a moveset distinct from other Foyah Emblemn characters, that the devs ran out of ideas and had to resort to copypasting the smash/special attacks.
Fire Emblem stages suck, too. They're all copying the Pokemon Stadium method and worse, except for Byleth's church which does the floating platform transition/tour method.
Castle Siege part1 is the only decent stage out of what is practically 12 or so.
I would like to see a poll of goyim who bought the Fighter's Pass before all characters were revealed. Get a ratio of how many got assblasted and regret it after Byleth was posted and how many are fine with paying Nintendo additional money to have even more blatant advertisements forced on them.
It would be cheaper to buy 4 separate characters than buy the full bundle if even one of them makes you mad, and Byleth seems like the perfect turd for that cake.
>Shit stage
>Shit music
>Unfinished moveset
>Unwanted character
>Mocking anyone who would complain about blue-haired anime swordsmen in the reveal trailer
What the fuck was the point?
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b680ec No.16888037
Routinely Expected Autism List
Wanted First-Parties:
>Excitebiker
>Takamaru
>Mike (StarTropics)
>Paper Mario
>Isaac (Golden Sun)
>Muddy Mole
>Dixie Kong
>Heracross
>Ray Mk III
>Chibi-Robo
>Saki (Sin & Punishment)
>Arvis (Fire Emblem)
>Ephraim (Fire Emblem)
>Masked Link (Majora's Mask)
>Ganon (Link to the Past)''
>Marx (Kirby)
Wanted Third Parties:
>DoomSlayer
>Rayman
>Bub & Bob (Bubble Bobble)
>Ryu (Ninja Gaiden)
>Travis (No More Heroes)
>Earthworm Jim
>Kunio
>Chosen Undead
>Dante
>Demi-Fiend
>Frogger
>Goemon
>Heihachi
>Prince (Prince of Persia)
>Crash Bandicoot
>Quote (Cave Story)
>Battletoads
>Fulgore
>Monster Hunter
>Scorpion (Mortal Kombat)
>Gordon (Half-Life)
>Jack (MadWorld)
>Sophia 3rd (Blaster Master)
>Ryu (Breath of Fire)
>Lloyd (Tales Of)
>Klonoa
>Rick (Splatterhouse)
>Cecil or Bartz (Final Fantasy)
>Avatar (Elder Scrolls) Nerevarine, Hero of Kvatch, Dovahkiin
>Master Chief / Arbiter
>Geno
>Haggar (Final Fight)
>Lemmings
Fun Never Ever Non-Video Game Characters:
>Mickey Mouse
>Geralt
>TMNT
>Spawn
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b680ec No.16888051
Routinely Expected Autism List Part 2: It Continues
Wanted Stages:
>Tetris
>Dr. Mario
>Inside Dungeon Man (EarthBound)
>Submerged Castle (Pikmin 2)
>Wario's Castle (Wario Land 2)
>Virtual Boy (Wario Land, Teleroboxer, Mario Clash)
>StarTropics
>Mole Mania
>Marvelous: Another Treasure Island
>Clu Clu Land
>Krazy Kremland / Crocodile Isle
>Maniac Mansion
>The Arcades (Frogger, Q*Bert, Space Invaders)
Wanted Modes:
>Boss Rush
>Break the Targets
>Summonable Assists
>Board the Platforms
>Capture Point
>Items Only
>Beat'em Up (Smash Run)
Needs Representation Somehow:
>Golden Axe
>StarCraft / WarCraft
>Super Monkey Ball
>Jet Set Radio
>Harvest Moon
>Double Dragon
>Contra
>Streets of Rage
>Sparkster
>Glover
>Mischief Makers
>Plok!
>Silent Hill
>Gex
>Crono Trigger
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3cbdf5 No.16888100
Stop pretending she's not getting in.
All first parties, baby.
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3cbdf5 No.16888103
Would really be cool if Nintendo focused on their own franchises for the next game. Not just main characters but newcomers from existing series and ones that haven't been seen in forever.
If you know who this lady is you're fucking cool.
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36e24e No.16891001
So there was a mini nintendo direct today and the first fighter in FP Vol. 2 is……An ARMS rep but they didn't tell whoever the rep will be. I'm guessing that it will be Springman with three other ARMS fighters as alts. Honestly I should of realize that an ARMS rep was most likely to happen in FP Vol.2 because of Sakurai wanted to put Springman in but he didn't had the dev time to do it. Oh and I guess Rex from from Xenoblade 2 is pretty much a guaranteed at this point.
>>16887534
>Implying the FE treatment of Pokemon wouldn't be Pokemon Trainer but PT is doing the fighting and only uses Pokermon in his/her special moves
>>16887640
Nah, it not that FE in Smash got the short end of the stick. It's winning the 100 million lottery but it's in zimbabwe currency and you only allow to buy gay African rock statues that all look the same.
>>16887635
>Is it just me or does 5mash have the worst stage selection possible?
If you're referencing the new stages to Ultimate, then you're kinda right.
>I'd main Raichu.
Raichu would be a neat Pikachu echo fighter.
>>16887643
You do realize that Fire Emblem also have characters that aren't swordlords/swordlord archetypes all of the time, right? i.e. Micaiah from Ike's games, Tiki from the Archanea games, and Ephraim from Sacred Stones (Yeah the last one is a lord but he fights with a spear). Good job of ignoring my other point about how using the "main character/avatar as the series/game rep" is not a good idea for a series like Fire Emblem, fag.
>>16887760
>out of what is practically 12 or so.
Since when did Fire Emblem have 12 stages? There's only 4 FE stages in total unless you mean the transformation of all of the 4 stages then maybe you have a point?
But I do agree you and other anons ITT that Sakurai is running out of ideas and I feel like he should retire from Smash Bros after he's done with Ultimate & hand the rein to someone else….(As long as the new director doesn't decided to add goku from dragonball that is).
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9e16b4 No.16891025
>>16888100
You're still here? Holy shit I thought you would have killed yourself by now after getting cucked repeatedly for over a year now.
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973ad4 No.16891032
>>16887583
imo Little Mac should have been super counter heavy, like three out of four B moves should have been counters or having some sort of priority (99% of Punch Out is evading attacks anyhow).
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412c5f No.16891273
>>16888100
You are becoming increasingly obsessive.
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e2476a No.16891284
>>16891001
>You do realize that Fire Emblem also have characters that aren't swordlords/swordlord archetypes all of the time, right?
You do realize that you're a fucking idiot and doesn't have the first clue what "character diversity" means, right? All the characters you just listed from Fire Emblem are still afflicted with the curse of "being dumb gay animu bullshit for weeb faggots", all of them are designed with the same mentality in mind, all of them are anime people.
The strength of Smash, at least on paper, is supposed to be being able to pull characters from wildly different games with wildly different designs that aren't all just stupid anime people. Which you being an insufferable weeb know nothing about because you just seem to think it means "wielding a different weapon".
How about having more crazy characters like F-Type from Stunt Race FX who is a literal living car, or Rayman who has floating hands and feet? Where is Earthworm Jim who can whip his head at people while his suit acts independently of his head? Why not add more over-the-top and fun designs like Dedede, Game & Watch, Pac-Man and Duck Hunt?
Character diversity is lost on anime loving shitheads like you.
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c52a47 No.16891294
>Newest rep is from ARMS
If it's Springman with alts we'll never hear the end of it from Waluigi faggots. The plus side being that it also means Knuckles and Zero still have a chance.
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e19cc1 No.16891391
>Spring Man is an assist trophy
>Ribbon Girl is a mii costume
>Min Min, Twintelle and Ninjara are spirits
Rosterfaggotry will become the worst it's ever been if any one of these characters are confirmed to be the new playable DLC character despite already having a separate role in game (which is a high likelihood). This is why I hope the new character is Max Brass or Helix
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973ad4 No.16891624
>>16888100
What would Lip's moveset be? Is there a mod for it for another smash game, and if it isn't, what's stopping you from implementing it? Project+ could see extra charas with actual content instead of "sword fighter with down+b as a counter" or "captain falcon but with another element".
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3ad53e No.16891645
>>16891391
>Rosterfaggotry will become the worst it's ever been
that ship fucking sailed when…
dark pit got in
Bayonetta, Ryu, and Cloud got in before numbers of actual Nintendo characters got in
ridley wasn't in smash 4
corrin got in showing the pattern only FE self insert character would be shoved into the roster
pirahna plant got in
3rd party only characters got in instead of actual Nintendo characters once again or assist trophies that deserve to be actual characters
Expecting sakurai to pick a character I like is a pointless venture.
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69ff59 No.16891831
>>16891294
At what point in the history of Smash has a character EVER gone from assist trophy to roster in the same game?!
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03e90f No.16891921
>>16891913
>>16891284
>tfw we will never get the unnecessary FE reps replaced with Jake because the smash team is locked into this same mentality just from a different perspective
We have lost the truest range demon we could have ever had and it is all /tv/'s fault.
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3ac1cd No.16891967
>>16891831
Brawl didn't have DLC, and Smash 4 was mainly focused on bringing back old characters. It wouldn't surprise me considering that we've had bigger surprises.
>>16891294
Fuck Waluigi, that said I would like to see characters like Isaac, Saki and Ray who've gotten the shaft multiple times.
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03e90f No.16891984
>>16891967
I'd like Saki myself to be in, but I'd only be happy so long as every one of his sword slashes reflects projectiles. Even then, a crazier, possibly better S&P rep would be Achi if you think about it.
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3ac1cd No.16891991
>>16891984
Yeah, but Saki is basically the face of the series. Also having each sword slash reflect projectiles doesn't really make sense balance wise. His main combo, a tilt and a few specials sure, but the game is already too counter heavy as it is.
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03e90f No.16891994
>>16891991
>Also having each sword slash reflect projectiles doesn't really make sense balance wise.
You sure? Whether it's one reflect move or many, you still have to react at the right moment like with any other character. Not to mention, considering how the sword slashes in Star Successor worked, a number of Saki's own sword slashes could easily leave him vulnerable for a moment, making it less useful at a distance than a continuous reflector like Fox's. The only real near-OP advantage is possibly being able to advance forward through neutral/forward airs.
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03e90f No.16892001
When are we getting a DDR rep?
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3ac1cd No.16892011
>>16891994
Well it depends, like say if you had a full charge beam headed towards you and all you had to do was a forward air to reflect it. I think that some moves should have the property and others shouldn't'. That said they could probably make him like Captain Falcon like you said when he attacks and then he's vulnerable for a moment. Either way I do see him being a unique character since not many characters in Smash have gun swords.
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e2476a No.16892020
Smash is absolute fucking cancer.
I just want it all to end.
They could announce Earthworm Fucking Jim tomorrow and I still wouldn't give a hot shit because Ultimate sucks so much fucking dick.
Nothing can save it or this series.
This game is literally just Funko Pops: The Fighting Game.
You're a fool if you think otherwise.
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03e90f No.16892021
>>16892011
>Either way I do see him being a unique character since not many characters in Smash have gun swords.
I suppose, though I do see them stretching things a bit for him like by giving him the flamethrower he used to cook a ruffian in that one cutscene.
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03e90f No.16892023
>>16892020
No, Jim, Smash is not a fighting game.
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9e16b4 No.16892096
>>16888037
>Excitebiker
What is he gonna do?
Run people over with a bike?
We already have a character than can do that.
<Arvis (Fire Emblem)
<Ephraim (Fire Emblem)
KYS.
<Marx (Kirby)
Hes a stage boss, he got the smash4 ridley treatment, so hes not getting in
Maybe he will have a chance in the next smash game if there ever will be one.
<Demi-Fiend
We already got a SMT based character in the game.
Thats like asking for tidus to be in smash when we already have cloud.
<Gordon (Half-Life)
Never had any games on a nintendo console for all I know, not even as a cameo.
<Master Chief / Arbiter
Same case with Gordon.
>>16892020
Jokes on you! I never played the game in months!
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c52a47 No.16892215
>>16891831
First time for everything I guess. Supposedly Nintendo picks the characters for the DLC and if they wanted a character from their dead game playable then Sakurai would have to find a way to make it work.
>>16892096
>he got the smash4 ridley treatment
Ganon and Bowser are also bosses. You fight Marx in a transformed state so they could still make him a fighter as long as he's in his pre-transformation state. Not that I want that loaves of bread for feet having fuck as a fighter.
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b680ec No.16892298
>>16892096
>Excitebiker
>What is he gonna do?
Glad you asked. Excitebiker's moveset would involve traits of bike itself in addition to using various stunts and tricks. Like drifting the bike's back fender into opponents as a Side Smash, letting the bike fly out from under him as an Up Smash, doing a donut as Down Smash, sliding into someone with the bike's side as his Dash Attack. His Jab could be repeatedly ramming the front wheel into his opponent while doing a wheelie. His Neutral Special would allow him to freely rotate in the air when held, creating new attack angles when combined with aerials. Aerials would be the images related. His Down Special would have him rev the bike in place, building up the engine's power and kicking up debris behind him that deal slight damage. Side Special would be a Turbo Boost that if used too frequently will make the bike overheat (could be his "gimmick" too.) Up Special would be an intense backfire from the bike's exhaust and the explosion would propel Excitebiker upwards. For a Grab, he could catch someone up the bike's tires and rev the wheels as a Pummel.
Final Smash would be Excitebike Rally, he plants a flag in the stage where it was activated and a mob of 8-bit Excitebikers will rush towards the flag.
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b680ec No.16892304
>>16892298
*catch someone under the bike's tires*
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b680ec No.16892306
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16892298
Some music to go with him.
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9ac300 No.16892316
>>16892020
>Funko Pops: The Fighting Game
That can't be true, the characters all have mouths
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b680ec No.16892343
He's the last one. He's the last drastically important Nintendo legacy character I feel has been left out. Pit made it, Little Mac made it, even Duck Hunt and ROB made it. But Excitebiker, he's the last one. He's been with Nintendo since the NES and his game was impressive for it's track builder alone. And unlike Ice Climbers, it's not like he's been forgotten. He's always been in the back of their minds. From the Satelleview Mario Excitebike game to more recently having the Excitebike Stadium in Mario Kart 8 and countless re-releases.
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e2476a No.16892366
>>16892298
What a shitty character.
You'd choose a nameless faggot over Mach Rider who actually makes sense as a fighter and has a bike with guns on it and is also a hot girl? Fuck outta here.
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b680ec No.16892369
>>16892366
Yes, because Excitebike has at least more than 1 game and has been referenced time and time again. He's a true legacy character that deserves his spot for the influence and status he's created.
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e2476a No.16892370
>>16892369
Everything you said applies to Mach Rider and literally none of it applies to Excitebiker.
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973ad4 No.16892812
I had this idea for a character, even just for a mod or whatever, of using the Mario&Luigi version from the Superstar Saga series (at least the first one) that would play sort of like the Ice Climbers.
They would play like a very different version of their main counterparts, so all their special moves would deal with Bros. Attacks, like Splash Bros. or Spin Jump, they would use their hammers as smash attacks and overall be a much more aerial based duo. They would get no throws, instead the throw button is used to switch the duo, which would change some of their moves, like their specials or their recovery, while their percentage I am unsure whether it would be better if it stayed the same or if it transferred to the other bro. To offset this, you can only switch when on the ground and with bros at a reasonable distance between each other, to avoid making them a pure puppet character.
Artistically, they could look like a much more cartoony version of the bros, down to the short pants and socks for Luigi and pitch black eyes. I feel it'd be way funnier than if it was done with Paper Mario, at least.
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03e90f No.16892845
>>16892370
But that's wrong and there has in fact been at least 3 Excitebike games.
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447000 No.16893022
>>16891284
1. By that logic, the "being dumb gay animu bullshit for weeb faggots" definition falls under characters like Captain Falcon & Link to a certain extant and both of those fighters are part of the original 64 roster.
2. What I mean about wanting FE characters that aren't swordlords/swordlord archetypes is that in theory they could have a great moveset that isn't a clone/semi-clone of Marth but unfortunately, it seems like Sakurai doesn't have the creativity to do something like that anymore & just resort to all of the FE reps (outside of Robin) to be semi-clones of Marth or even just clones of Marth.
3. I would love to see characters like F-Type from Stunt Race FX, Rayman (Hell, he's one of my most wanted fighters to be included in Smash Bros), and Earthworm Jim to be fighters in Smash Bros. But lets be real, F-Type from Stunt Race FX would only get an assist trophy at best and we're not going to see Rayman & Earthworm Jim as fighters anytime soon because of the disadvantage of those IPs being owned by western companies.
>>16891391
>>16891645
Oh just wait until FP Vol.2 is done and Sakurai announces that he'll add even more fighters until the roster reach around the 100 mark or even higher & then Rosterfaggotry will hit chernobyl disaster levels of smash roster autism by that point.
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e2476a No.16893315
>>16893022
>By that logic, the "being dumb gay animu bullshit for weeb faggots" definition falls under characters like Captain Falcon & Link to a certain extant and both of those fighters are part of the original 64 roster.
Yes. This is not wrong. Although it's more forgivable in those cases as those are their mainstream series and not just stupid anime shit for hyperweebs like Fire Emblem. F-Zero was also originally based on comic book-style character designs, both in the SNES and N64 versions.
>What I mean about wanting FE characters that aren't swordlords/swordlord archetypes is that in theory they could have a great moveset that isn't a clone/semi-clone of Marth but unfortunately, it seems like Sakurai doesn't have the creativity to do something like that anymore & just resort to all of the FE reps (outside of Robin) to be semi-clones of Marth or even just clones of Marth.
It's still a fucking Fire Emblem character. I don't care how many different weapon styles you have in that game, Fire Emblem is a fucking shit franchise that has worn out its welcome and there's a million other more deserving candidates to be in the game. FE isn't just bottom of the barrel, it's the worm-infested scum underneath the barrel.
>I would love to see characters like F-Type from Stunt Race FX, Rayman (Hell, he's one of my most wanted fighters to be included in Smash Bros), and Earthworm Jim to be fighters in Smash Bros. But lets be real, F-Type from Stunt Race FX would only get an assist trophy at best and we're not going to see Rayman & Earthworm Jim as fighters anytime soon because of the disadvantage of those IPs being owned by western companies.
With the inclusion of Banjo-Kazooie I don't think "being owned by a western company" is a factor anymore, if it ever was. There have been western-created characters in Smash before as well like Diddy and K. Rool.
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c10943 No.16895870
Everyone talks about new characters but what I would love to see are more alt. costumes. Besides a select few it's all just boring re-colours, like how about going the hyrule warriors route and giving link, zelda, and ganondorf alt based on others games, they had the twilight ganondorf and zelda from the previous game couldn't they have just updated it slightly and given it to us as an alternate skin? how about that Mario has a wedding outfit but peach and boswer don't?
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62b3f6 No.16896014
File: d2f21fbc6023c19⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 36.77 KB, 400x815, 80:163, it_is_I_goodlight_of_the_s….jpg)
>>16880042
I have a better idea
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e2476a No.16896045
>>16879360
Fuck it, put my SF5 main in there.
You thought Ridley was big? Just you wait.
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973ad4 No.16896046
>>16895870
I would rather have both Naked Snake/Big Boss and original shaved Solid Snake, maybe even MGS2 Raiden but it's a tough sell since the game is much more divisive.
Other than that, it would be pretty funny if they released all Fire Emblem MCs from all games as alternate costumes.
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3ac1cd No.16896052
>>16896045
Abigal was a fine choice
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3ac1cd No.16896056
>>16896046
I'd rather have Big Boss as an echo so we can have a proper Snake moveset where he has a SOCOM, Knife and a M16A1 as god intended
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63de14 No.16896076
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447000 No.16896166
>>16893315
1. I hope you're not implying that F-Zero is a "mainstream" series for Nintendo because F-Zero hasn't had a new game in 17 years. Also, it doesn't change the fact that F-Zero is owned by a Japanese company no matter how much influence F-Zero got from comic book-style character designs meaning F-Zero falls under anime.
2. I now see that you just hate Fire Emblem in general as a series. Sorry to burst your bubble but Sakurai is a fan of Fire Emblem and you have to deal with Sakurai's biases like how we're not going to get "post-Sakurai developed Kirby game" Kirby rep like Bandana Dee. And in some defense of Sakurai; At least he's the only one that's keeping Smash Bros to be a vidya only crossover game series and won't let non-vidya characters like Goku from getting in anytime in the future unless he's retired as a director.
3. What I was implying is for the current DLC for Ultimate is that there isn't going to be that much western IP game series series in FP Vol.2 and at best will be one more western character in FP Vol.2 (i.e. either Crash Bandicoot or Doomguy) while other western series might get spirit events at best like how WarFrame got a spirit added recently (Unless Sakurai is secretly going to to add more fighters until the roster hits the 100 mark or higher after Vol.2 is done than I can see Rayman getting a chance). Also, both Diddy and K. Rool are owned by Nintendo themselves so I don't really count that to be quiet honest.
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447000 No.16896179
>>16879360
>>16896014
I would love to see Nightmare from Soul Calibur getting in and maybe add Siegfried as an echo as well on top of that.
>>16880016
>Still disappointed that Dante didn't get in
I still think Dante can make it in FP Vol.2 as long as we get Koei Tecmo rep like Ryu Hayabusa since both Capcom & Koei Tecmo are butting heads at each other lately and having a Capcom rep & no KT rep or vice versa isn't the best move for Nintendo to do right now.
>>16895870
As long as alt skins are free updates and not DLCs.
>>16896056
Same here. I personally want the Peace Walker version of Big Boss since that's the closet for a proper Snake moveset MGS continuity wise plus there isn't a spirit version of the Peace Walker version of Big Boss.
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9e16b4 No.16896186
>>16896045
>>16896052
Abigal is gay, ugly and mentally retarded.
He doesnt even deserve to be so much as a spirit in smash and I hope he never makes it in. Even adding him to SF was a fucking mistake.
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e2476a No.16896210
>>16896166
It seriously took you three posts in of me saying "Fire Emblem is shit" for you to get that I don't like Fire Emblem? Truly you FE fans are the most illiterate fucking retards imaginable.
F-Zero was very much mainstream when it had games coming out. The fact that it hasn't had a new game in a while does not dismiss the fact that it has a high public awareness in the gaming community even today. You can't just fall into the zoomer way of thinking, "oh I was a stupid minecraft playing baby when this game came out, that means all the people who liked it back then are dead". It's still a famous series and Nintendo simply lacks the wisdom to release a new one. It's a dormant series, that doesn't mean it's an unknown one.
In any case it doesn't really matter because Smash Ultimate fucking sucks shit. I don't care who gets in anymore. I only like Smash in concept because as I said earlier every game in the series had such an incredibly flawed execution that I sometimes wonder if Sakurai has actual brain damage.
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e2476a No.16896215
>>16896186
Abigail's the best.
Don't hate because you can't beat him. You're too much of a brain cancer having adolescentto play traditional fighting games which is why you stick to Smash.
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5cd4ee No.16896220
>>16896210
>F-Zero is in any way relevant in current year aside from being where the Smash Bros. Falcon Punch meme man came from
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e2476a No.16896235
>>16896220
>Another faggot who conflates relevancy with popularity
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3ac1cd No.16898990
>>16896235
>Caring about relevancy or popularity
Shit like this is why we got the fucking Plant
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e2476a No.16899121
>>16898990
There is no "reason" why we got the plant
We got the plant because Sakurai is an asshole.
Stop assuming there's rhyme or reason or "rules" to who gets in Smash when it's really all just explained by Sakurai being an absolute shithead.
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447000 No.16912454
>>16896210
1. The "I see you don't like FE" was suppose a rhetorical question (Although a poorly thought up one). It wasn't meant to be that I just realize that you hate FE as a series just now from my post. My whole point about that is that Sakurai loves FE and that's why there are 8 FE reps in total. No matter how much you hate FE, Sakurai will always add the latest FE protag in the next Smash game in some way because Sakurai is a FEfag.
2. Sorry buddy but Ultimate is one of the most successful games on the Switch and you're going to have to deal with about the autism about who's getting in with FP Vol.2. And even worse is that if Sakurai is crazy enough to finish Ultimate with over 100 fighters not counting echoes in the base game or even DLC echoes if that's a possibility.
>>16899121
I say that Sakurai have a lot of biases of who gets in and which series get better representation than others in Smash. Plus, he's also have a massive ego as well.
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36ebd7 No.16912610
I think Sakurai added Piranha Plant to not only implement a weird ass character with a unique moveset, but to also balance the Super Mario cast.
>Three Marios: Mario, Luigi, Dr. Mario
>Three Princesses: Peach, Rosalina, Daisy
>Three Baddies: Bowser, Bowser Jr., Piranha Plant
Sakurai's just autistic as all hell.
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e2476a No.16912659
>>16912454
I wouldn't actually care so much if the game was ever good but it ALWAYS turns out to be shit. On paper there is so much about Smash that should be loved and they constantly fuck it up and all the Nintendo neckbeards still buy it anyways because they don't give a shit about quality. So Smash truly is a Funko Pops fighting game.
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