ec48c3 No.16864438[Last 50 Posts]
>Companies effectively telling customer "We got your money, now fuck off"
>"Indies" thinking they're entitled to money just because they managed to replicate a game that has already existed for years
>Industry names telling bold-faced lies to their fans
<With those who still having some amount of dignity already being absent for some years and wanting nothing to do with gaming
>DRM still in high use because why should people treat paying customers as anything other than thieves
>Games requiring the power of mission control and the space of the NSA database in order to be played, but are still lacking technological advancements and features that existed in games that barely filled a floppy disk
/rant
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8e73fa No.16864442
>>16864438
Eternal reminder that the only way to fix the industry is to become the industry. Start making games, faggots.
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c74a38 No.16864458
>>16864438
what exactly is this "paying customer"?
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8e73fa No.16864464
>>16864449
>why can't I fix one of the biggest industries on the planet while spending most of my time doing unrelated things
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b86649 No.16864465
You don't, and that's not even the worst part. Remember that skill-based MM is becoming more and more prevalent in multiplayer gaming. Now it's not such a bad thing, but consider the fact that most of those games have some form of lootbox or microtransaction mechanics built or added into the game. Now instead of players being rewarded for playing well in general, those who do TOO well get matched with higher skilled opponents to make earning cosmetics/weapons/currency far, far harder than normal in an effort to push them to pay for what they want. Timed events and challenges make the "grind" even worse than it should, but again doesn't concern the casual or extreme players in the slightest.
It's much easier to essentially rig the system against those who are between above average but just below the top skill level, than it is to try and get those in the very top and very bottom skill level to pay more for less respectively aside from whales of course.
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01e6ec No.16864466
Accept that video games as you knew and loved them are basically over, play old games, play the occasional gem that comes out. Don't lose sleep over it.
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a17ec3 No.16864469
build case, present to court/public, write laws, propose new laws, make demands and ultimatums
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2dcbd7 No.16864470
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a4e289 No.16864474
>>>/v/16864473
sup Luciano
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386fdf No.16864476
>>16864438
Become a Yesdev and smash them into the ground, they aren't even really trying anymore, a lot of games can easily be outdone, if you had the budget.
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64411b No.16864493
Step one is going to the ftc and filing complaints about grand theft auto 4 "Complete edition" having the multi-player stripped out, as that's legitimately false advertising
Step two is don't pre-order jack shit.
step 3 is to get games of GOG and play ism as they don't have drm
Step 4 is eradicate California and prevent it from receiving grants from the fed which keep much of these shit bags alive
Jesus fucking christ these new capt has are fucking busted
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64411b No.16864494
Also preemptive
There's an upper ceiling on whales
China isn't sustainable as a market and their money isn't actually worth anything
Murder literally would fix nothing 00000
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a74eb3 No.16864512
>>16864438
This shit is generational and you'll have to make your own shit to improve/break down the industry.
>>16864485
>>16864482
This proves without a doubt that Luciano is niggerpill
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8e73fa No.16864526
>>16864473
Unless you start making games yourself, all you'll end up with is less videogames.
>>16864489
If a single game could fix it then I wouldn't be telling other people to do it because I could just do it myself.
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c814c3 No.16864565
>>16864470
>1.4 Teras
thanks for reminding me I gotta upgrade
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52772c No.16864568
>>16864438
The only thing that triggers me when it comes to indie games is that many are like 2h long yet are expensive as fuck for what they are and never go on sale.
I have some indie games that cost 30+ and the sales were only like 10% cheaper. Literally asking me to just download that shit.
But I usually lose interest after waiting some time for the sale anyway.
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facd7a No.16864579
>Don't buy shit that does things you don't like.
>Buy shit that does the things you like.
>Make your own games.
>Work to get laws passed that ban the bad business practices.
The first two are really easy.
>>16864568
>2h long, expensive, no sales
Those are the shit indie games, probably with a story focus.
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3a5dfd No.16864589
>>16864568
If I ever finish my game and I'm really really happy with the result, I "might" give a 20$ price tag max.
But it will most likely be 10-15$, I hope.
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abca5d No.16864594
>industry is driven by money because it requires labor and equipment to produce product
>product isn't catered to a market that refuses to spend money
There, mystery solved.
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233b58 No.16864595
>>16864594
>Market is flooded with imbeciles who "will gladly pay twice" or "want to support the devs"
Need to cull the economic source first.
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863176 No.16864600
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52772c No.16864604
>>16864602
Is that ikea language?
I know some as well!
Detolf Kallax Brimnes!
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5b15ff No.16864624
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ff8342 No.16864637
>>16864489
It's the voting mentality issue.
>I don't want to vote because I can't individually count towards a win because I am only one person
>Thousands think like this
>They all end up not voting for a candidate and he doesn't win because of that
In video games, though, each individual that makes a game actually matters MORE, because if it catches on, the industry will copy it, how it was sold, etc in order to catch the wave of profit. It might inspire someone young to make games themselves, might pass on values that you hold dear and therefore improve society in some small but measurable margin in a domino effect.
What you do makes waves, it's better then just voting. If more people got off their asses and acted proactive in general, not just with making games, but calling out shit in the workplace, telling the truth to people's faces, not being afraid of the precedent set by PC culture, the world would start becoming a better place.
Get off your ass and make something. Do something. You might not change shit but you really, honestly don't know that. And frankly I'd rather have a fun distraction if you fail in making social change or all that gay shit, that shit keeps me going. Doing nothing is worse then doing something. Sloth is a sin for a reason.
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facd7a No.16864648
>>16864640
That guy may have meant just making video games, but the idea of making something is good. If you don't have the time to make a full fledged game you could make something. Maybe a mod, some fanart, an essay about gaming. I doubt there are many people that are so busy with work they cannot do anything and if they are they are probably making enough money to help fund something that will move the world to a better place.
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dc24fc No.16864657
>>16864637
It's not even a voting mentality issue (which is literally only because the government has been fucked since the Civil War) most people are just straight up too lazy to make a game.
Hell Toby fox farted out a game in 2 years after getting most of the ground work done and he did fantastic.
So well in fact that people started a conspiracy that some dude from an earthbound forums and homestuck was secretly involved in the fucking cabal of journalism and any of the publicity it got wasn't just residual dick riding a month after it went nuclear
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4749df No.16864670
>>16864464
>>16864648
Why in the fuck are my posts being deleted.
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760f8a No.16864672
>>16864442
Yeah, that's the best advice one can give right now, but I'd argue that being aware of which publishers are scumbags and who to trust is also pretty important. Last thing you want is to work with a cunt like Dave Oshry or Benn Judd and have him steal your fame/money while you get fucked over. Making your own shit is the most important, but communication is also important in its own right.
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760f8a No.16864675
>>16864670
I wasn't sure if you were niggerpill, my bad
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facd7a No.16864676
>>16864670
You do come off like niggerpill, especially your earlier posts and ignoring anyone who points how ways you can help other than being a one-man dev.
>>16864675
Mark?
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760f8a No.16864677
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c01eb2 No.16864678
Find and support good games. The change, at least the personal change comes when you acknowledge that the industry(or industries) is more than just the shiniest, most marketable thing in front of you.
Alternatively, if you have enough time, make your own video games for your own and people after your own heart's content.
I'm up for some recommending and recommendations. What are some stylish thieving games with an emphasis on cool platforming and movement like Gunpoint or the Sly Cooper Trilogies, and in return I'd like to recommend Rebel Galaxy(have not played the cockpit based sequel) for a nice space trucker sim and Gunvolt Chronciles iX(It's better than GV1, I swear) for a pretty cool(if short) dash heavy Mega Man spinoff.
God damn this bugged ass website.
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4749df No.16864679
>>16864676
>ignoring anyone who points how ways you can help other than being a one-man dev
Are you serious? You mean the last actual response I received? I'm not checking the thread every second for fucks sake.
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000000 No.16864687
>>16864600
>he doesn't have an 8TB drive to store fucking everything on
>playing ark
>using steam
>using nu-steam
>suomi
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dc24fc No.16864707
>>16864687
>only having 8tb of storage
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233b58 No.16864711
>>16864687
>>16864707
>still in the TBs
>not in the PBs
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760f8a No.16864713
>>16864679
Alright, alright. Sorry, Jesus.
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760f8a No.16864715
>>16864678
Well yes, voting with your wallet is important. However I'd argue that there's also bad actors trying to ruin projects in the development phase. Making your own content, talking with others and exposing these bad actors is also quite important.
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0d69cc No.16864718
<still greentexting
Cuckchan is that wall.
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233b58 No.16864720
>>16864718
vNot downposting
wow you're extra gay
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facd7a No.16864721
>>16864718
another thread ruined by shitposters. Why not stick to julay?
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c01eb2 No.16864725
>>16864715
My point is that there's more to vidya than just the super high production video games. Look at it this way, you yourself cannot individually bring down or force something like Hollywood to change, but in being part of a group that instead seeks out and supports the types of movies they like, they individually enjoy the medium more in addition to eventually making a difference as a group. Movies are more than Hollywood. Games are more than E3 or AAA or high market budgets. Music is more than the top 100. etc.
>>16864721
Why flare up pointless arguments over metafaggotry?
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a01f45 No.16864743
>>16864711
Bro you can't put peanut butter in your computer
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000000 No.16864748
>>16864438
By pirating everything, never giving money to anything at all in the industry and their (((shills/influencers))), and by making normalfags do the same, one at a time. Be mindful of the fact that this fix is to bring down those ruining the industry. not to save the industry itself, because that would be meaningless, as you would be just rewarding the incompetents for their mistakes.
>>16864512
Nah. Niggerpill is impersonating many anons all over the boards. He was exposed impersonating anons in a Star Wars games thread, a thread on /tech/, many threads on /tv/, /pnd/ and more recently, the "Is his career over?" thread about Kojimbo in the bunker.
He copies the style of writing from some anons, and spams the thread repeating some keywords, but you can always spot his niggerpills and constant repetition of his "it's over, give up" lunacy.
You can spot him impersonating anons here easily.
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c01eb2 No.16864750
>>16864748
You can also notice him speaking in the plural. "We lost", "This series is dead to us", etc.
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4749df No.16864751
>>16864750
DON'T FORGET HOW (((HE))) USES RED TEXT
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538f49 No.16864802
>>16864748
He's such a fag
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73454b No.16864814
You can't, the belief systems of the people who enable this kind of behavior are already set. They're too lazy, apathetic or forgiving to learn from their ways or actively enjoy being screwed. Just act in your own best interest and avoid shit games, play good games and pirate anything dodgy before you consider paying a cent.
In a similar vein nothing is going to change the state of the modern diet on the whole. Food companies are happy to slowly kill people with shit food, lazy/sugar addicted people are happy to keep shoveling shit down their throats. Look after yourself and if possible those you care about, leave the unwashed masses to do as they please.
You can't do anything about these things, they're completely at the behest of technology, trends and propaganda, the sooner you stop caring and focus on your own betterment the better.
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233b58 No.16864829
>>16864721
Because the same shitposts are being made on julay as well. Someone is trying to start shit on purpose.
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cabad6 No.16864866
>>16864750
Our torpedo huenigger friend Luciano (>>16864748) uses a ton of "we" and "literally" as well. Both keep pushing the 2007 meme, too. I wouldn't be surprised if he and niggerpill are the same person.
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64411b No.16864910
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a74eb3 No.16864971
>>16864866
He isn't wrong about 2007 though
It was the beginning of the end due to a ton of shit happening at the same time, financial crisis, huge tech streamlining, tons of small to mid companies dying out with only the big ones staying afloat.
It was a great year for vidya, but that's when the shit started hitting the fan and subsequent years were pretty shit for vidya, internet and culture in general.
And now we've reached peak idiocracy, at least vidya is better than it was after 2008.
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000000 No.16865049
>>16864971
<moeshit
<lucky star is a negative thing and not a huge foundational stone to otaku and western IB culture
Goons reveal themselves so easily. The entire image is nothing more than bait, but replying to bait is time-honored after all.
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827d83 No.16865079
>>16864438
>Games requiring the power of mission control and the space of the NSA database in order to be played, but are still lacking technological advancements and features that existed in games that barely filled a floppy disk
This is the one pisses me off non end game companies think MUH POWER MUH GRAPHICS while making the extremely basic games. Just look at that Final Fantasy VII remake demo. Its basically just hit shit till things fall over (but of course journos found still found it too hard)
You want another example looks at MK11 everyone has all the same combos and Scorpions spear then attack is now fucking fully automated. Just do the move and he does the rest. Fucking beyond bullshit.
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064e0d No.16865093
>>16865049
Well I don't know much about anime… But I have watched ALLOT of Hentai!
and all I know is that stuff I consider good fap material has come out over 10 years ago. And 3rd image related that came out this year, and the animation is so boring and lifeless it's unfappable.
I don't really have a point here, I just want to complain that it's just hard for me to find good hentai…
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d13ff3 No.16865105
>>16864442
>>16864672
If you aren't a NEET, acquired funds to do it fulltime or somehow got a team together your game isn't likely going to get far. Life will eventually dominate your project. This is why so many mods and projects die. Even Notch was a NEET while he was doing Minecraft. Gamedev is always underestimated, which is also why so many kickstarters and shit blow through their goals but then realize they need more money or the devs just burn them selves out. Think about how many games go massively over budget. That being said you shouldn't make low-effort shit either. Notch had a good balance between what to compromise and what to go full autism on.
Also I'd honestly keep your game off this board. It's so much worse than it use to be. It's got the delusion and fickleness of resetera.
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64411b No.16865106
>>16865079
Wait, when you say fully automated, do you mean like MK1 where the move fully executes if it ever fires off?
Or MK2 where after the move fires off you can interrupt it after it lands but otherwise the grab and drag happens automatically?
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64411b No.16865107
>>16865105
>Even Notch was a NEET while he was doing minecraft
He had a local software job, you fake gamer.
Hell most gamedevs worked on their shit during college and ignored university faggotry with trying to claim ownership of their projects.
And Developer hell LITERALLY ONLY EXISTS if you don't set out with a clear start and end goal in mind and plan on milking shit forever.
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ff8342 No.16865111
>>16865105
If you think that's the case, you have scale issues. Make small games, and fuck your big plans until you actually make enough off of your small games to go big time, or just work on your big project day by day until you learn to scale the fuck back, learn as much as you can.
Don't give into depression and eat well, exercise. Get your ass into gear, son.
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d13ff3 No.16865123
>>16865107
>He had a local software job, you fake gamer.
My bad. I always thought he was a NEET for some reason. I'm kinda curious what job he had, because every job never fails to completely kill the momentum I've had. I've noticed a few part time indie devs come from the nordic countries, so maybe their jobs aren't complete hell. I think even the speebot dev comes from around there to.
>Hell most gamedevs worked on their shit during college and ignored university faggotry with trying to claim ownership of their projects.
If you're talking about game school thats true with a few indies. I think the guys who made Pnumbra did that. Keep in mind though that school is like a full time job, so essentially they had a period of years to do their game full time. Once you're out of school and have to pay bills it's substantially harder.
>And Developer hell LITERALLY ONLY EXISTS if you don't set out with a clear start and end goal in mind and plan on milking shit forever.
Even releasing something basic takes a substantial amount of time and effort. Just look at /agdg/. Most people there are taking months just trying to get basic shit working.
>>16865111
>If you think that's the case, you have scale issues. Make small games, and fuck your big plans until you actually make enough off of your small games to go big time
I think this is outdated advice. In modern times you can start out with something small and keep patching more shit in. Releasing that small thing still takes insane amounts of work on your own. You can see this by lurking /agdg/. Projects are moving at a snails pace.
>or just work on your big project day by day until you learn to scale the fuck back, learn as much as you can.
This is probably a better approach.
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5c8f3e No.16865137
>>16865107
>He had a local software job, you fake gamer.
Everyone also forgets that he also made Wurm Online before he made minecraft.
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adc306 No.16865162
I believe the vidya industry will get better, I do. I think it has been loosely following the same pattern of decline that the music industry has, and if that trend continues there will be more and more good goldmines cropping up among the burial pits of abandoned and shitty indie games and half-assed early access garbage. I think anons are right when it comes to helping fix the problem is to create something good and against the casualness of today's streamlined refuse. It will take a great deal of effort, but time too is needed, if the following of the music industry is to be gleamed from it needs to get worse publicly before it gets better. I think also that pointing out flaws especially quite heinous ones, something /v/ has always been very good or at least very adamant about, is a great way for average /v/irgil to help things along.
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a1ebf2 No.16865621
>>16865105
>comparing us to resetera
Fuck off nigger. We're skeptical, but we're not actively malicious.
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064e0d No.16868324
This was a Real fucking conversation I had, copy pasted here. 1/3
>To be quite honest I think every game since after the PS2, Xbox, Gamecube era has been getting too much of a free pass for years. Metal Gear Solid 2 came out in 2001 and the level of technology in it is still more impressive the majority of games today, but on top of that MGS2's gameplay was fantastic. Games today pump so much into they're graphical budgets, but when it comes to gameplay it rarely feels like it's the main priority, I'd much rather just play some games from 90's or early 2000's, then spend full price on a Triple A game that's a 50 hour repetitive slog.
<OK Boomer.
>Is it my fault I went from games having it so you were able to unlock an entirely new character to replay the entire game with in a fresh way in one console generation, to the intimidate next generation having it so you had to pay extra for that new character, if you were lucky enough for that extra character to even exist as DLC at all. I went from Spider-Man 1 the movie game letting you unlock The Green Goblin for betting Hard, and Ultimate Spider-Man letting you play as Both Spidey AND Venom, to Spider-Man 3 forcing you to pay for New Goblin… despite him being playable in the final mission and clearly on the goddamn disc. Sorry if I didn't appreciate seeing an entire generation of companies blatantly with holding content, at the detriment of the quality of the game, so they could nickle and dime their audience. Maybe I'm missing the part that was so great?
<You only remember the good parts of the past. You don't remember the absolute mountains of pure absolute shit from back in the day. Don't like those business practices? Good news, those aren't the only games that exist. The industry is more successful and more active than ever before, you have plenty of games to choose from, and luckily for you, its far easier to find good games than it used to be.
>I'm not forgetting "The Bad Games" I'm not saying only good games existed in the past. My problem is I'm seeing New games now that could be so much better, but they are being held back by an industry that's greedy. If you Pre-Order Doom Eternal you get a Bonus Master Level. That is them deliberately telling you that they are withholding content from you if you don't pre-order the game. If you get the "Deluxe edition" you get the "Demonic Slayer Skin", You don't get that from beating an awesome challenge, it's not a badge of honer for being Nightmare mode or something, it means you spent more money, Doom Eternal is clearly going to be Good, but it's also not aloud to be as good as it "Could" be when publishers force practices like that. I'm not saying that DMC3SE wasn't a similar practice from capcom, back in the day, but now even less people care about this stuff, since it's been so common place for years."The industry is more successful and more active than ever before" Yeah and I'm hardly ever being impressed by anything any more despite that Success
<Chances are, if Doom Eternal was released back in the 90s then the bonus level and skin would never have even been made in the first place. "The industry is more successful and more active than ever before" Yeah and I'm hardly ever being impressed by anything any more despite that Success That's just you being an old and jaded boomer.
>Doom 1 had 4 secret levels, 1 per episode you could find. Doom 2 had a secret level that lead into Wolfenstein 3D's first level, with Wolfenstein 3D's enemies, and THAT secret level, had Another Secret Level inside of it. Quake 3 (1999) had tons of characters which all had their own looks and voices That was stuff that was just IN the game for the player at no extra cost.
<And DOOM 2016 had 13 secret classic levels completely recreated in them, which is more than DOOM 1 and 2 had combined. DOOM Eternal will likely have even more, since its so focused on appealing even harder to classic DOOM fans, and not even half of the classic levels of just DOOM 1 were in 2016.
>So that gives DOOM Eternal an excuse to lock out already made content behind pre-order bonuses and Deluxe editions, so Bethesda can nickle and dime Doom Fans?
<It's content that likely would never exist if those business practices didn't exist either.
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064e0d No.16868325
>>16868324 1/2
>The only Content that Needs to exist is the content that the developers are passionate about making, If the ones who made the Demonic Slayer Skin, or the Bonus campaign master level, Don't care about the fact they made them, and didn't put love and effort into those things, Then It's a worthless addition to the game anyway, and a waste of time or resources. BUT if they did put love and care into making those things, Do you really think they want only the people that pay More money, then everyone else to be the only ones who get to have that content?
<I really don't understand you. I know I keep saying it, but the bonus stuff likely would not exist at all if the game didn't have a pre-order bonus. You are not losing out on anything. You could just pretend that it doesn't exist, and the game isn't any worse. DOOM 2016 had a pre-order bonus skin, but you apparently aren't righteously pissed off about that, because you didn't lose something by not pre-ording DOOM 2016. It was still a phenomenal game, one of the best shooters of this generation, and Eternal looks like it will be too, because from what we've seen, its just more and better Doom 2016. Also, pre-ordering the game doesn't cost any more money. Its still gonna be $60 at launch, and the deluxe edition doesn't have pre-order bonus' that the aren't in the standard edition, from the looks of it the deluxe edition is just gonna be standard DLC stuff that'll be released later, its essentially just a season pass but without being a separate thing. The only time pre-ordering something is a bad idea is when its quality is uncertain, but Eternal looks to be a complete slam-dunk, its more likely than not that it'll be just as good, if not better than 2016. In fact, you actually just convinced me to go pre-order the deluxe edition, because I'm definitely gonna buy the game anyway, and chances are I'm likely gonna buy the DLC anyway as well.
>One of the best Shooters of this Gen is not an impressive statement, when the bar has been so low for a decade, the only thing Doom 2016 did, was not do all the stupid shit other shooters do that make them less fun.
>I was extremely hyped for DOOM 2016, I per-ordered it I played it on launch I 100%ed it, I got the Season pass for the mutiplayer so I could get all the achievements, and then not too long later that Season pass content was given to everyone for free, since nobody else bought it, And I realized I got fucked over and wasted my money, when I could have gotten that for free if I was patient. I really Enjoyed 2016 the first time I played it, but I replayed it recently and now I'm not impressed by it anymore, Not because it's a bad game, but that I still feel that the Original Doom 1, 2, 64, and 3, have more interesting gameplay. I'd rather play any of those again, over 2016, since 2016 feels boring to me now that the hype has worn off. I not saying I think 2016 is bad, or that Eternal is going to be bad, I do plan on playing Eternal eventually, But I'm not going to pay full price for it, since I'm fine with waiting a year or two. I wish I was hyped for Doom Eternal, I FUCKING LOVE DOOM, but i'm not, and that's a shame, and I hope i'm wrong and i'm blown away by Eternal when I end up playing it.
<Yeah, I give up. Absolutely nothing is ever going to convince you. You're clearly just one of those asshole doomers on /v/ that thinks literally everything less than 15 years old is objective garbage and everyone is an idiot for liking it. Guess what pal, everyone is not you, you are not that important and you are not that smart. Accept that people like things you don't and the things you like are niche. You're sitting in a subreddit practically dedicated to obscure niche interests, yet very few people here go around shitting on everything thats popular, because they actually have self-awareness, unlike you. You say every modern shooter is bogged down with stuff that makes them less fun. I'm going to guess you mean things like reloading, regenerative health, and cover systems. Guess what, that stuff was put there for a goddamn reason, by people who know more than you about how to design a game with a certain experience in mind. That stuff also got popular for a reason, nobody refuses to play a game for being "too fun". I happen to enjoy a lot of modern design conventions, and I can determine the reasoning behind their existence. Its not that hard, most people can do that. I'm sorry that you've become so jaded that you can't enjoy anything anymore, and I'm sorry that you can't handle the fact that you've aged and decided to lash out and shit on things you don't understand because your old. And before you say it, no, I don't mean physically old. You are mentally old. That's what I meant when I said that being a boomer is a mindset rather than an age. You don't have to be like this, but you are. You're actively choosing to be an asshole for no reason.
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064e0d No.16868326
>>16868325 * meant 2/3
3/3
>I not trying to be an asshole, I'm simply explaining the issues I have with things, You haven't been giving me any points besides "Things are the way they are because they are the way they are" and then downvoting me. I'm not saying everything is garbage now, just that things could be better if developers or publishers learned a bit more from the past. I still enjoy new games I liked Yakuza 0, DMC5, Earth Defense Force 5, Puyo Puyo Tetris, I Liked Doom 2016. I just think it could have been better. Doom 2016 on PC had zero modding tools, only Snap map which isn't enough for people on PC to get the most out of the game, Doom Eternal they've said is going to have Mod tools, and I think that's great. What have I done wrong here, beyond not pretending every new game is perfect, when I can clearly see ways they could be better if things were tweaked, because I'v already seen it done better in the past?
<Man, talk about a backdown. You really can't expect me to think any of this is genuine after what you said before.
>I am being Genuine, your just the one who's expecting me to act like a dick, when that's never been what I was trying to do. I'm just saying when I play a game like F.E.A.R 1, and it's amazing, and then F.E.A.R 2 and 3 are both worse for reasons that are clearly due to limitations caused by them being designed for consoles. Then I think that's a load of shit. When DMC5 on PC doesn't have Turbo mode, or Legendary Dark Knight mode, Dispite the PC version of DMC4 having both of those in 2008 specifically because PC is more powerful and Capcom took advantage of that. Yet DMC5 didn't take advantage of that exact same opportunity. Then That's a load of shit. A game can still be good, yet have an aspect of it that sucks.
<Except you don't actually know anything. You're making complete guesses. Maybe DMC 5 is designed in such a way that turbo mode would suck and not be fun, or maybe it causes unfixable glitches, or maybe the RE engine itself just can't handle it because of a weird tech issue. Its not all for nefarious reasons, Capcom or any other company isn't doing certain things just to be evil. You clearly have no clue what the hell you're talking about, yet you assume you do. This is classic Dunning-Kruger in effect.
>What are You on about? I said Pre-Order bonuses and deluxe editions that hold out content sucks sure, but I never said DMC5 not having turbo mode was evil or nefarious. I'm simply pointing out it sucks that something that was in DMC4 11 years ago, isn't in DMC5, also People modded Turbo mode into DMC5 like a month or less after DMC5 came out If Turbo mode really did cause Unfixable glitches then maybe Capcom as a multi million dollar corporation should hire some better programmers, forgive me if my standards are too high if I expect the people at Capcom to be Competent at their jobs.
<"I never said DMC5 not having turbo mode was evil or nefarious.""Yet DMC5 didn't take advantage of that exact same opportunity. Then That's a load of shit."
>Something doesn't need to be evil, to be a load of shit. I don't think the DMC5 developers are evil, for saying They can't put int alternate costumes. But that's a load of shit, Because people have given Dante the DMC1 costume on their own spare time DMC3 had, Shirtless Dante, DMC 1 Dante, Coatless DMC 1 Dante, and Legendary Dark Knight. That was in 2005, but 15 years later I'm just supposed to pretend that alternate costumes would be too much work?
<Creating games is a very different process than it was in the past. You don't have a right to say how hard it is, because you've never in your life worked on a big AAA project, let alone a small indie game. Once again, this is MASSIVE Dunning-Kruger effect. You don't know shit, so don't talk.
>Fine I don't know anything at all, Forgive me if I think spending millions of dollars to scan in real clothes into DMC5 was a massive waste time and resources that could have gone into giving the game more features, I'm clearly an idiot, for thinking the cost of modern day high end Graphical improvements isn't worth it, if it's at the cause of adding more features to the game. I'm sorry that I don't give a shit that they scanned in a real jacket that Dante wares in DMC5, and would rather they be using the same engine from DMC4 if it meant having Legendary Dark Knight mode again.
<You also don't have a right to impose your opinions onto others, or be a dick about like you were for this entire thread. Personally, I would actually much rather have better graphics over extra costumes, for various reasons.
Jesus fucking Christ
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064e0d No.16868330
>>16868326
Downvoted
Yes I know I'm a faggot, for even being on Reddit, my god what a horrible fucking website
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9c7264 No.16868331
>>16864438
why do you care about new shit that comes out? just forget about the triple gays and indies, play old good shit because I'm sure no one has played everything released worth playing
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a22528 No.16868366
>>16868330
>>16868326
>>16868324
>>16868325
Faggots on plebbit and other dipshit forums are always like that. You can be honestly charitable, and explain what you liked and disliked, and they'll forever act like you said HURRR GAME SUX. They never accept your position, and provide their own. They just have to be RIGHT. They can't accept a difference of opinion and leave it at that, never mind re-evaluate their own position when presented with reasoned information.
You, being a rational person, expect others to be reasonably intelligent and decent people, as that is what you think is expected of you. But people are fucking terrible. I've had the same experiences everywhere that lets those shitheads and their cronies run the show. Even if you find a couple other people in that shithole who are decent, they'll not be the majority, and they'll be run off, too.
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d724aa No.16868378
>>16864438
Stop supporting it, dummy.
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064e0d No.16868379
>>16868366
It's just so hard for me to understand the mindset of
>It's okay for a multi million dollar publisher to fuck me in the ass, because they need more of my money, otherwise how are they going to survive?
Those poor poor fucking millionaires at the top who don't do anything but hinder the potential of the games they own the rights too.
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77da3b No.16868384
>>16868325
The part about Doom Eternal and Doom 2016 really boils my blood. For context I'm someone who started
>Ys Oath in Felghana - 3 playthroughs
>Thief The Dark Project - 4 playthroughs
>Deus Ex - 2 playthroughs
>Heretic 2 - 2 Playthroughs
>Dark Messiah - 3 Playthroughs
>Dragon's Dogma - 4 playthroughs
>Devil May Cry 3 - 3 playthroughs
>God Hand - 2 playthroughs
>Mirrors Edge - 4 playthroughs
>FEAR - 3 playthroughs
Before the games actually appeal to me enough to finish, to the point that I consider a good chunk of the above games as my favorite games. I gave Doom 4 10 fucking playthroughs over the past three years. Some playthroughs tried different difficulties, or self imposed challenges without using glory kills, or the weapons mod. the furthest I have gotten in that game was 6 levels in. It is simply one of the least enjoyable games I have ever had the displeasure of playing. I have never once gotten an actual argument for the game and any replies to my criticisms have always been along the lines of
>Ok Boomer/Zoomer/Doomer/whatever-oomer what the fuck is this retarded garbage meme in the first place? Nearly every doom-related discussion has to throw the word around.
It just pisses me off if someone doesn't even bother to put the god damned effort in their supposed hobbies, it makes me wonder if they put the effort anywhere else.
>>16868366
It just boils my blood whenever anyone tries to "win" a conversation automatically by labeling you whatever. Boomer, elitist, sexist, bigot, intolerant, like eat shit and form an actual argument you faggot.
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1d5b85 No.16868391
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98cdf4 No.16868395
>>16868330
>>16868366
That's alright, you might argue with retards on reddit and seem to get nowhere but everyone else is seeing you keep your cool while the other guy is basically reee'ing and you'll end up swaying the silent majority. If you're gay enough to care about that.
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064e0d No.16868400
>>16868384
>what the fuck is this retarded garbage meme in the first place? Nearly every doom-related discussion has to throw the word around.
It's a non argument, a simple dismissal by people who don't want to actually want to think, They just want to be told how to feel, since it's far easier to enjoy life if you never question anything.
>>16868391
The problem is at this rate it won't die, there is an entire generations of people who have no idea what not being fucked over is actually like, Companies sucking they're wallets dry is simply the way of things.
>>16868395
I fucking wish but I instantly got 13 downvotes, the way Reddit as a website functions, if you get downvoted, your reply gets hidden due to being downvoted too much, if there is a silent majority, they'll never see my thoughts due to them being buried at the bottom and hidden away, unless someone goes out of their way to specifically look at the downvoted replies.
The function of Downvotes is fucking horrifying, since it's really the "lock down threats to the echo chamber" button.
It flew over my head when I was younger, but now I 100% understand Cypher's character, and I don't blame him at all.
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ec48c3 No.16868404
>>16868395
Meanwhile, I think I'm one of those guys who ends up driving people away because I keep losing my cool over how these fags keep avoid the questions I ask them, write me off as a "troll" because I can back them into a corner with their logic, and/or have outright told them, "I just want to be proven wrong so that I can learn something for once".
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a22528 No.16868408
>>16868395
You inevitably get banned or shadowbanned for embarassing people, though, even when you're just trying to have a proper exchange of ideas. This is why places like 8chan need to continue forever. Good ideas stand on their own merits, and are propagated by people who read them, while shit ideas just pass out of the public consciousness.
>>16868400 ☑
>I fucking wish but I instantly got 13 downvotes, the way Reddit as a website functions, if you get downvoted, your reply gets hidden due to being downvoted too much, if there is a silent majority, they'll never see my thoughts due to them being buried at the bottom and hidden away, unless someone goes out of their way to specifically look at the downvoted replies.
The worst part is, their shitty system invites avalanche effects. See a downboated post? DOWNBOAT MOAR! See upboated post? UPDOOTS! Fuck reading to see if it's got any merit! Go with the durr-herd!
My throwaway fake Chinese cultivator account got banned from one of the main classic gaming forums there for telling people that trying to get a complete library for the NES was a massive waste of money, and that they should just seek the games they liked, or are at least curious about, if they really cared about playing video games. Yeah, what an absurd idea.
>>16868404
That describes me almost everywhere that isn't universally recognized as a good community. People would have shitfits for eternity because I didn't like their favorite thing, and when I explained in detail what I didn't like about it and why, they would just shriek the usual "U JUS HAET EVRYTHING. GO SUMWARE ELSE WIF YR NEGATIVTY"
Whenever you're feeling manic, go fuck with them, but don't let them drag you down. If you can achieve happiness at their expense, then you win life.
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a22528 No.16868411
>>16868410
More like "don't get too hung up on far-left shitholes like plebbit". Reading is hard, innit?
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9c7264 No.16868417
>>16868408
Reddit(and really sites like youtube and twitter, social media in general) are made to support consumerism and slavishness to shit that shouldn't matter. It's why all the frontpage jewtube shit is makeup tutorials and unboxings, and whenever I check out the psp forum on there to see cool homebrew or game reccomendations its all people showing off some gay new box they got
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77da3b No.16868418
>>16868408
>Whenever you're feeling manic, go fuck with them, but don't let them drag you down. If you can achieve happiness at their expense, then you win life.
Don't even bother with them. Completely cut out the cancerous shit that bothers you and focus on what makes you happy instead. For example you anons should at the very least be listening, playing or watching something you like while lurking /v/ in the background.
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8e84d7 No.16868421
>>16868410
Have another reply.
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064e0d No.16868422
>>16868404
Well becoming the way I am wasn't really an easy task.
Growing up as a Sonic fan literally from the earliest moment I can remember "my first memory as far back as I can go is of Sonic 2" I spent years upon years growing up being told the games I loved were shit, That they weren't good enough, That any Sonic fan was just a fucking weirdo.
This never made me stop enjoying the games, all it did was make me question why things were the way things were, I spent years thinking about why I loved Sonic 06, despite that apparently being one of the worst video games ever made. it made me realize that a game doesn't need to be flawless to be enjoyable, if anything perfection is boring, I was still able to feel the passion and effort that when into the game, I clearly understood what they were trying so hard to do but couldn't fully realize due to unfortunate circumstances during development, I loved the game because I could tell the devs making it wanted me to Love the game.
I don't feel it should be expected that everyone is as used to being told they are thinking as wrong as I apparently have been my entire life.
It's totally lame to admit, but…
<If the world chooses to become my enemy, then I will fight as I always have.
is a line that shaped my outlook on life.
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816c86 No.16868434
>>16865049
>lucky star is a negative thing and not a huge foundational stone to otaku and western IB culture
kys faggot
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18e77f No.16868481
>>16868422
>sonic 06 is memed as bad even though it has good concepts like shadow's moveset being almost good, blaze being a faster sonic, etc.
i might be quick on this judgement, but i'm starting to think secret rings is the worst to stomach
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8a52b0 No.16868488
>Companies effectively telling customer "We got your money, now fuck off"
>Industry names telling bold-faced lies to their fans
>DRM still in high use because why should people treat paying customers as anything other than thieves
There are hearing about this shit all the time across most countries. The reason Europe, New Zealand and Australia are all standing up to this behavior is because their citizens are actually engaged in politics.
Write to your fucking senators, show up at hearings to testify, Americans are apathetic to anything that isn't an election and it's the main reason corporations are walking all over us. We've gotten used to getting fucked and we actually trick ourselves into thinking there's nothing we can do about it but bitch and moan on the internet.
Look up Louis Rossmann, he's a right-to-repair activist. What he does isn't all that related to video games, but hopefully looking at his lobbying series you'll realize very quickly why nothing ever changes in this godforsaken country.
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064e0d No.16868965
>>16868384
>>16868400
On the topic of "Boomer"
They are THIS fucking stupid, Just missing the point entirely.
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c19355 No.16869266
>>16868400
>>16868408
Reddit's downvote/upvote system isn't even real anymore. In many communities, it's been completely taken over by bots who probably trigger down or upvotes based on algorithms.
One thing I've noticed is that many Reddit posts I make become down/upvote battlefields, reaching as high as +20s or as low as -20s in some moments, but they always end up leveling out in 0, +1, +2, -1, etc. I've seen some people attribute this freakish behavior to bot activity and that makes sense.
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98cdf4 No.16869524
>>16868965
>"OK Boomer"…
That's just because there's nothing to gain from having a dialogue with a boomer. They really are just completely self-absorbed with their own opinions.
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064e0d No.16871070
>>16869524
<"Okay Nigger"
>That's just because there's nothing to gain from having a dialogue with a Nigger. They really are just completely self-absorbed with their own opinions.
I can't help but feel the point he is making is still 100% correct regardless of "Boomers" being self absorbed people. The 2 words are interchangeable in how they are being used in a sentence, and I find that very amusing.
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d12584 No.16871133
>>16868384
>>16868395
>Wow, you seem pretty mad. Who hurt you?
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a6c108 No.16871182
>>16868324
>>16868325
>>16868326
>>16868330
Just an idea, I think the only way you can bully/talk sense into a Redditor is by speaking his language.
What does a Redditor do when he thinks your opinions are shit?
Obvious typical Reddit comeback is
> /r/[insert subreddit that makes fun of whatever mindset he's accusing you of]
for example
>I don't really like modern music
</r/lewronggeneration!!!! You're a defener!!!
For people like you were talking to, who think that pre-order bonuses and DLC are awesome, you could just be an ass and say
>LOL ok, /r/ConsoomeProduct
Another thing they do is accuse their opposition of being an "incel". I wouldn't recommend doing this unless it's a politically motivated discussion. For some reason, Redditors accuse right-leaning people of being incels when most of its userbase is seriously sexually frustrated. It might not hurt to imply that they're an incel in other topics of discussions, but I would leave direct accusations to SJWs.
Most importantly though, they like feeling as if they're intellectually superior to you, which is why 99% of Reddit comments have an obnoxiously smug tone to them. So you need to talk down on them as if they're little children, not equals. Most of them, despite having an inflated ego, have really fragile confidence and don't like being talked down on. Talk to them as if they're uneducated and have no idea what they're talking about. As if their worldview is just completely nonsensical and you can't even begin to sympathize with them. They might act smug for the duration of the conversation, but you still plant a seed in their mind that makes them realize what a fucking retard they are. It slowly kills their confidence and makes them either reconsider their point of view, or become so irrationally fixated on their point of view that they can't convince anyone else of it. in most cases the latter
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4749df No.16871186
>>16871182
I don't even go on reddit or encounter anyone talking about reddit in real life.
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d12584 No.16871192
>>16871186
Anon, you're very lucky. I live near a college town and pretty much everyone who I encounter in town is Reddit Incarnate. Our town has its own subreddit full of a bunch of awful, wealthy left-leaning boomers and anytime I see someone in a cafe on their laptop, there's a 50% chance they're looking at Reddit.
I do go there to bully people, I know some anons prefer to simply not use the website at all, but my personality is a bit too aggressive and provocative to just ignore these people.
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4749df No.16871208
>>16871192
>Anon, you're very lucky. I live near a college town and pretty much everyone who I encounter in town is Reddit Incarnate.
My town used to be like this, except people, especially my faggot friend who even had reddit in his username, "don't use it as often as they used to". I still get random twitter shit linked to me though.
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064e0d No.16871218
>>16871182
I'v been talked down to far too much in my lifetime to want to do the same to another person.
What this anon said is true >>16868366
>You, being a rational person, expect others to be reasonably intelligent and decent people, as that is what you think is expected of you. But people are fucking terrible.
I understand that, but I don't currently have it in me to just bluntly explain to their face just how much of a fucking idiot they are to they're face just yet.
Is pic related any better,since honestly I'v had more stimulating conversations with a brick wall.
I think I would honestly have an easier time convincing someone to reconsider their view on politics then have them reconsider their view on Sonic 06, but I don't give a shit about politics.
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4749df No.16871225
>>16871218
Well, no shit you can't convince anyone when you're on twitter, it's limited to like 150 or whatever characters. Those are the types of people that listen to and share journo articles and e-celeb videos because that shit has >1,000 words (+ footage and images) at least articulate a (shitty) point of view.
When you're trying to convince someone to reconsider their politics, you can at least slap evidence to the contrary in the form of a link.
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4749df No.16871228
>>16871218
>director bison
Are you that kid with the Yugi avatar that constantly argues with posts about DmC in the mid 2010s, on like every fucking platform?
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ec48c3 No.16871229
>>16871218
Anon, you're pretty much wasting your breath arguing further. The Sonic series has been memed to death as "Never being any good".
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064e0d No.16871238
>>16871225
The problem really is the platforms themselves, aside form an Image board, places just don't allow you just Call someone a fucking idiot since that's Hate speech/Toxic.
>>16871228
Yeah that's me, DmC was the only video game I can honestly say I'v actually Hated in my life, just as a matter of princable due to what it represents.
I had no idea I was… um "famous" to put it one way. But I guess my autism is memorable, since people have been recognizing me here on /v/ just from my ridiculous but true statements of unironicaly liking "Bad games". Even now that the dust has settled and DMC5 has been released, I can't say I actually hate DmC anymore, I can say I'm not too big of a fan, but I can still admit that it still good a few things right here or there.
>>16871229
Yeah I'v learned that a long time ago, but it's still kind of fun to just tell people I legitimately like Sonic 06, or DMC2, Umbrella Corps ect… and see how they react.
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4749df No.16871240
>>16871238
I would just tell you to start a video game review blog because you'd have a much easier time propagating your ideas in an article than in conversation or the comments box. If you did things that way you would've saved yourself time and whatever was left of your childhood back then.
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ec48c3 No.16871242
>>16871240
>I would just tell you to start a video game review blog because you'd have a much easier time propagating your ideas in an article than in conversation or the comments box.
Where?
As far as I know, most blogging sites are dead.
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346397 No.16871250
>>16864438
Few things, pirate games if you're worried about all companies fucking you over, second there are a ton of great indie games, ever thought of spending time to look for them? I could list 30 good indie games rn. (The part about AAA companies is true don't support them, if you want to still play their games, pirate them.) I find it super annoying when people will take the time to cry about how gaming is shit now, when really there is so many more options to play games and obtain games then there has ever been. Even if you think every single modern game is shit you have entire libraries of old consoles to play. Stop bitching please.
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4749df No.16871251
>>16871242
Literally anywhere. Articulate your thoughts once even as something as basic as raw text, and then link to it on your twitter, is far more effective than reiterating yourself across 5,000 comments and forum arguments.
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064e0d No.16871255
>>16871240
Actually I purposefully stopped myself from writing too much on the internet until I was around 18 because I didn't want to look back at what i'v said in the past and cringe, I mean that still happens but… I actually did turn 18 the year DmC came out.
That being said I think I had fun in the comments.
To be honest I never considered anyone would ever give a fuck about what I had to say until I came to /v/ and people actually responded in threads. DmC and the retardation it caused in people was the exact reason I went to 8chan in the first place. I didn't even give 4chan a 2nd glance since Gamergate happened and why the fuck would I want to go somewhere that banded people for calling the industry out on it's shit.
and I'm really glad I ended up in 8chan since it's lead to the most fun conversations and most genuine compliments i'v ever had.
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4749df No.16871267
>>16871255
I thought you were like 13 based on your forum posts for reasons just like this
>I'v actually Hated in my life, just as a matter of princable due to what it represents.
>I had no idea I was… um "famous" to put it one way.
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346397 No.16871271
>>16871255
I'm sorry you have to deal with autism like that.
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709039 No.16871285
>>16864438
>Games requiring the power of mission control and the space of the NSA database in order to be played, but are still lacking technological advancements and features that existed in games that barely filled a floppy disk
This one annoys me the most.
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4749df No.16871291
>>16871285
>when your desktop has 1000x the processing power of the computers that landed people on the moon, but you just use it to shitpost and play indieshit video games
I read NASA instead of NSA at first, but still.
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346397 No.16871294
>>16871285
I think this one is because of the lack of worker benefits in the game industry compared to other ones, you could take your 3d modeling skills to a movie studio and make way more money then a game dev job where you don't have job security, are overworked, and are paid less. The industry has to change first before we get optimized, and better games. (unions)
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64411b No.16871295
Really though, you guys should download godot, even if all you do is dick around with templates, it'd mean more things to play.
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64411b No.16871297
>>16871294
>you could take your 3d modeling skills to a movie studio and make way more money
Actually when you account for union shit, and the various other fag taxes with working with the film industy, you'd be surprised how little you can make.
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346397 No.16871300
>>16871297
Oh dear, admittedly film industry stuff isn't my forte. I hoped things were better. That was a poor example on my part. I suppose using programming jobs as a example would be better.
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77da3b No.16871305
>>16871218
>I dunno, maybe 99.9% of people agree that it's a bad game
You see this is what drives me up the wall. Something is either approved good™ or approved bad™ and no one can have a thought of their own. It's like those movie reviewing wankers who like to throw around Citizen Kane and Taxi Driver and what have you as being the best of the best, but I guarantee you a good chunk of these people never actually watched the movies.
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233b58 No.16871306
>>16871300
>expecting anything hollywood related to be better
unless you're a jew at the top you get the shaft
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64411b No.16871315
>>16871300
I mean you hypothetically could get away with independently publishing, but you have to bear in mind when people went to hollywood the last people they were dealing with frequently destroyed equipment, attacked people on sets, and the solution, more or less, was to move literally as far as possible.
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064e0d No.16871484
>>16871267
That's understandable, I grew up basically in the middle of nowhere and have poor social skills due to never being around anyone my age in the neighborhood due to there not being a neighborhood, the only thing I had to keep me company was my family, or Video games, first one to get on the school bus in the morning, last on to get off after school due to the distance, and the only friend I had until high school was the only other kid who knew what Zelda was when I was in Kindergarten. I talk like an autist because I'v never really had anyone to talk with about Video games until I came here, and the main thing i'm knowledgeable about is video games
>>16871271
>I'm sorry you have to deal with autism like that.
I'm not, I like going off on detailed explanations about thing more so I can practice formulating why exactly something is good or not in an understandable way for myself, rather then actually convincing an idiot, if they are dense enough to never understand something that is easily written out for them to the point a child can understand it, then may as well laugh at them when it's all done.
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d84723 No.16871517
>>16868325
>>16868324
>>16868326
What a faggot. You weren't being a niggerpill, you were being perfectly polite and reasonable.
My "favorites" in that conversation:
<OK Boomer.
<…You're sitting in a subreddit practically dedicated to obscure niche interests, yet very few people here go around shitting on everything thats popular, because they actually have self-awareness, unlike you
<'…You are mentally old. That's what I meant when I said that being a boomer is a mindset rather than an age. You don't have to be like this, but you are. You're actively choosing to be an asshole for no reason.'
Three red flags of narcissistic personality disorder, loads of projection, what are the odds this faggot ISN'T abusive or an indoctrinate of abusers?
My personal thoughts on your argument? I get what you mean, I think you should look for the hidden gems/underrated games threads for good shit, maybe you'll find something that'll scratch that itch.
>>16868404
>>16868408
Reddit has the same problem that hollywood does: by nature it caters to narcissists,
>large, well-established audience platform.
>Those who gain the most attention, get the most power… for a bit.
>Those that get the most power and keep it, own the platform.
>To beat the man, you must become the man.
>But he who thought he fought monsters had done nothing but harm humans in the first place.
>>16868422
The "Save the princess plot" was to sonic 06 the same way, superfriends "completely ruined" aquaman's character for forty years.
>>16871182
Most of reddit's ilk talks about how progressive they are, but in secret happily subscribe to Incelshit because that mentality literally originated from reddit:
/r/incels was where both the term and the mentality started. 2018. /r/incels was deleted as part of a "cleanup", when the reality is, Reddit didn't them making themselves look bad like /r/jaibait did. r/incels is basically what happens when SJWs abandon their beliefs after they see /r9k/ for the first time, but are still douchebags with no empathy..
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064e0d No.16871586
>>16871517
>I think you should look for the hidden gems/underrated games threads for good shit, maybe you'll find something that'll scratch that itch.
Oh you don't need to worry about me ruining out of games to play any time soon, I can randomly pick up just about anything and find a way to have a good time.
I'm more so bothered by how normalfags completely lack standards, or respect for their time, or their own money, or passion, or soul, or imagination, or how Creativity was used to overcome limitations in technology, or appreciation of any effort that individual people pour into there games at all.
The reason I'm able to enjoy "Bad games" is because unless it's clearly 0/10 non functional shovel-ware, or something else that only exists to trick people with false/misleading advertising.
So long as your willing to give a game a chance and put yourself in the shoes of the developers who made it, your always going to see that there was SOMEONE on that team who legitimately cared about what they were working on, and I appreciate it when I see it, even if the execution could have been far better. If anything "Bad games" are the most fascinating ones since your either going to see something that's never been done before, but isn't as intuitive as is necessary for an inexperienced player to learn, or you will see imitations of mechanics that have been done better somewhere else, and that will give you a higher appreciation for the great games that actually did get everything just right.
It's harder to understand why something is so good, if you've never seen it done poorly before. but bottom line, No one is going to spend over a year working on one project and not want it to be a success, when a game flops I can only feel that it's a huge shame for everyone involved who actually tried their best to make a fun game.
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e83e45 No.16887460
It amazes me how many people see games (or hobbies in general) in a completely shallow light. You'd think that for every five hobbies someone has a small interest in there'd be at least one hobby they actually delve into, but on every normalfag filled forum the vast majority of people make comments that prove they have no idea what they're talking about. These people legitimately think things are untouchably good because they have fun with them and they only have fun with things that require next to no knowledge about the medium/hobby to enjoy. Sometimes it seems like they take the "everything is subjective" mentality to heart so much they think their opinion is the only one worth hearing, but then they keep parroting the words and opinions of the majority and get aggravated by anyone sharing a different point of view. They don't know how to argue their points at a meaningful level because their point of view is a superficial feeling backed by a few words of "community canon" that again amounts to "it's fun" and they resort to insults or drop conversation altogether when they feel challenged. It's like they built their whole identity on something they don't know anything about.
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8f1aea No.16887506
>>16864971
>unironically using that Anime was made in 1980 meme image
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5d7515 No.16902216
>>16887460
Imo thats simple to explain. Since retards think gatekeeping is bad you end up with a lot of fake fans who only like a game because it was shilled or shit like that. Not to mention than before soycial media common gaming was seeing as a thing for nerds. Combine those too 2 and you end up with people you mentioned.
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0382bc No.16902239
I don't know man, I keep track of a few indies on itch.io and even mobileshit and they are some of the fastest to get back about issues with their games. Shit's downright pleasant if rare.
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ba4e95 No.16902420
>>16869524
>That's just because there's nothing to gain from having a dialogue with a boomer. They really are just completely self-absorbed with their own opinions.
I hope you see the irony of creating generations of people who refuse to engage in constructive dialogue because *other people* are self absorbed. Anyone using 'OK boomer' is a nigger with no argument it's flagrant ignorance coupled with an inability to utilise wit, they might as well shout 'Block, ban, de-platform'.
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ba4e95 No.16902423
>>16871218
>I'v had more stimulating conversations with a brick wall.
You're talking to one retard on twitter about a 14 year old game, what do you expect?
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ce2c0b No.16902428
>>16864465
Don't even get me started with matchmaking. Hey kids, do you like being able to play multiplayer games instantly? Do you like being able to go back to the same place to enjoy a consistent experience with similar players each time you play? Well go fuck yourself, you're going to wait in a queue for 3+ minutes so you can get matched with an asshole who TKs everyone in the second round and gets auto kicked because he tried to emulate his favorite epic meme streamer and failed, then blamed it on his team.
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3b67ba No.16902457
>>16864438
>/rant
How this thread got so far with such obvious crosspostery makes me speechless
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264cdb No.16902471
>>16864465
What game even does this? What kind of shit games are you playing anon?
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4b70b2 No.16902498
I'm seriously thinking about developing my own games as >>16864442 and others have advised, and since I'm currently learning how to program will be done in a million years so hang in there niggers I want to focus my efforts into learning how to gamedev, so I would like anons to list what they think are good qualities a game developer would have, what would the ideal relation and communication method with his userbase be, what good publishing or artistic practices he would have, and such other things. This is so we can have a comprehensive list of what makes a good game developer in the eyes of anons as opposed to a shitty or despicable one, and a good frame of reference for current and future to-be gamedev anons.
I'll start
>Doesn't censor himself in order to avoid possible backlash from journos, the twitter crowd and such other people.
>Listens to the people who actually play and enjoy his games instead of "fans" that only want to influence his games for political reasons but don't actually play them.
The first one is somewhat easy, I guess, since the developer would only need to have balls and not be a complete pussy. The second one I consider more difficult because I don't know which method could possibly be used to effectively discern the people who play the games from the people who don't other than to investigate them and somehow interrogate them, but that would be stupidly time consuming.
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865e98 No.16902499
>>16902457
That's 8kuk for ya :^)
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721efa No.16902629
>>16865093
Kuroinu was within the last 3 years, but I do agree. Quality dropped considerably.
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639fdb No.16902659
>>16864465
Remember when you made friends via playing your favorite FPS online and seeing actual player-run dedicated servers with their own culture, rules, and regulars? It wasn't about meta team comp or elo-hell.
It may sound like sappy nostalgia shit, but when devs provided players the tools to make the games they want, they lasted much longer without the need for constant content updates or expansive infrastructure.
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e61b54 No.16903219
Even with that high budget and success, Fortnite still will not fix their problem.
>Higher framerate makes your reloaded, weapon switching and building etc quicker.
Legal speedhack. A simple math could fix this.
>No crosshair tighting need it, every third shoot go through.
Legal Aimbot
>Higher bandwith is need it now or enjoy stuttering because Epic load it with a lot of assets
TF2 curse
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ec33b9 No.16907323
>>16865105
Didn't he steal a lot of ideas from cuckchan?
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