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>>16702973 (OP)

-Never buy the newest PC parts (4th gen i7s and GTX 9X0 is still good)

-get DDR3L ram

-buy a micro ATX case and motherboard if it's cheaper, make sure you get the right socket for your CPU

-Install OS on a small SSD and store games on HDD

-Don't skimp on PSU

enjoy your shitbox

>>16703183

>-Don't skimp on PSU

This. Nothing else is as potentially bad as a faulty or poorly made PSU.

Also make sure your exact ram model number is listed as compatible with your motherboard's documentation, used the way it says to use that ram, unless you want to risk crashing or nonworking ram. For all the compatibility that things have nowadays, motherboards can still be picky about this.

https://pcpartpicker.com/

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

>>16702973 (OP)

Some parts are okay to get refurbished/used, others should never be gotten that way. The case in particular, you can usually get a used case for very cheap. Also, avoid newegg; they got boughtout by chinks a few years ago, and the site's gone downhill. Ordering 'new' from them is still fine, but ordering from any of their 'marketplace sellers' is a dice-roll.

>>16703183

Don't buy an intel chip, they're actually made right in Israel.

I just upgraded my PC that I had for 5 years this week, originally picked an i5-9400 for the new build and was only giving me problems. I think it something with the voltage, wasted like 2 days trying to get it work. So, I took all the parts back and ordered AMD Ryzen 5 instead, works like a charm. It was better off too instead because with Intel probably dropping a new CPU and socket at the end of the year, I wouldn't get screwed over if I wanted to upgrade again later.

So just go AMD, you'll save money.

When it comes to emulation, which is the better hardware for either CPU or GPU? Intel/AMD or Nvidia/AMD?

>>16703306

AMD/AMD.

Stop giving money to intel, a bunch of literal kikes, and nvidia, a bunch of greedy subhumans who would gladly sell a GTX 1080 for $1,999 if they could get away with it

>>16702973 (OP)

Eh, I think my potato laptop is of the same vintage and that runs EU3 and Stalker. But it can’t run Honey Select on the lowest settings

>>16703306

Either / Nvidia

Zen2 is fast enough to make most of intel irrelevant except in RPCS3 where TSX does help but is a security liability, although I guess there's a few emulators where the single core requirement are high enough that Intel might be a tiny bit faster but probably not in a way that's relevant

Nvidia is mandatory because if the emulator uses modern OpenGL you're fucked if you have an AMD card, unless you're a linux user that is, but even then AMD is still slower.

>>16703338

Okay, what's Nvidia's equivalent to the 580? It seemed like a nice cheap card with exactly what I wanted for the next half a decade.

>>16703338

>Nvidia is mandatory because if the emulator uses modern OpenGL you're fucked if you have an AMD card

Even more baseless bullshit. OpenGL runs solid on AMD. Faggots giving money on nvidia deserve the rope

>>16703340

An used 980ti / 1070, check ZOTAC's site for refurbs.

1660ti if you want new but that's pricier.

>>16703341

>OpenGL runs solid on AMD

I have a spare 590, don't pass that bullshit on me anon

I get 20-50% the speed of my 1070 with it if it's an OGL 4.x emulator when in most otehr tasks it's actually fairly close to 80-90%, and that's when it doesn't crash and burn or no reason

All PCs less than 300$ can emulate ps2 and run dark souls 1 and 2.

I recommend spend 500 at least

Graphic card: 1650 or super 2060.

CPU: some ryzen or i5 8xxx. 2 cores is dead. If you want play games you need 4 cores or more. If you don't know; the 8 generation of intel have more cores. i5 is like a i7, the i3 are like a i5. i7 and i9 ia more for work. I5 is fine. But ryzen is better than intel this year.

Motherboard: don't buy a chinese one

Ram: 8 or more obviously

Make sure that the graphic card is compatible with your screen or buy a new monitor.

>>16702973 (OP)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HCPMBb

Or

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9NH6TB

But you can swap out those GPUs for a better deal if you go secondhand / refurb.

>>16703352

The 1650 seems surprisingly cheap, is it good or shit?

But the 980/1070 seem super expensive and I don't know if I should chance it with a used GPU since I'd imagine they would have been exhausted by a cryptominer before being sold.

>>16703381

Oh yeah, the new AMD CPUs. Are they such a massive improvement over the 2xxx line that they'd be worth getting?

>>16703387

>The 1650 seems surprisingly cheap, is it good or shit?

It's really only if you're tight on your budget and getting the 1660/ti is too much for you, also nice for low power silent builds or dropping in a refurbished prebuilt.

>I don't know if I should chance it with a used GPU

I did (EVGA FTW 1080ti for 500 bucks still under warranty), just roam ebay for an ad that doesn't smell like some dude offloading his mining gear, not that it always means bad stuff actually.

also

https://store.zotac.com/refurbished

>Oh yeah, the new AMD CPUs. Are they such a massive improvement over the 2xxx line that they'd be worth getting?

Yes definitely, the performance is much higher and the price perf ratio is pretty much the same

>>16703398

I don't know. Dropping more than 350 on a GPU seemed too expensive but apparently if I want PS2 emulation I'm going to have to think about it really hard.

Those 980ti's are very attractive though. I might just settle on that.

Thank you a lot anon.

I'm still worried about buying used PC parts and don't want to buy something that isn't usable for >7 years. How long do they last?

I live in a hot place (30C all year around) so reliability is a must.

>>16703387

1650 gets shit on a lot but it actually has the best power consumption to performance ratio of pretty much any graphics card ever, performance wise it is similar to the 1050ti, slightly better by most accounts.

>>16703416

>How long do they last?

If you have a well adapted PSU (you want to stick around 50-70% capacity maximum at full load) and an UPS (if you live in an area with regular power cuts, regular brownouts or noisy current you definitely want one) as well as good cooling (including regualrly cleaning the dust) whatever you buy will usually last a long time

>I live in a hot place (30C all year around) so reliability is a must.

It's worth investing in a good cooling solution if that's the case, even just putting good fans in an high airflow case is enough for the most part.

I'd even suggest going for a large tower case that can take a lot of fans and populate all the fan slots with high flow ones if you're really worried and don't mind noise

Artic F12/14 PWM are your friends if you're on a budget but still want some good airflow you can get faster but make sure they're PWM because full speed all the time is kinda noisy eeven if you don't mind it too much

I'd recommend looking at really high performance high static pressure fans for heatsink blocks like the Enermax DF pressure / EK Vardar / Noctua regardless the extra cost is well worth it.

>>16703438

What an elaborate reply, thanks anon!

>It's worth investing in a good cooling solution if that's the case

Would you recommend having fanless cooling system? I can't stand the sound of PC fans while sleeping but my PC just have to run 24/7 in the room for business and security reasons.

>>16703412

Man i just upgraded myself.

It's so satisfying starting a game up on ultra and not needing to worry about performance.

Sadly, there aren't any games worth while the specs. I ended up playing Vampire the masquerade and I'm currently playing this mmo blackdesert, which is fun.

>>16703250

Irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. All hardware of the last decade at least are compromised and backdoored.

>>16703507

I just want something to last me another good while, and honestly I got pretty bitter about not being able to play stuff like Vanquish, EDF or Nioh, or any multiplayer game that seemed decent enough to try but ended up dying before I even had a chance to upgrade. And as for my PS2, it's dead and I can't be arsed to go order another one, and a TV with it.

Plus the simulation software I use is too much for this PC, I have to sit there for 5 minutes just for the thing to boot up and I'm getting pretty tired of having most of my personal work time being taken up with technical issues and whatnot.

>>16703474

>Would you recommend having fanless cooling system?

Nope, you pretty much have to purpose build, use insanely big heatsink and undervolt / underclock stuff all around to even make it viable at high ambient temps

I do have a near fanless tertiary build with a Phenom 2 X4 955 running at 3Ghz with -0.200v and some passive HD5450, and even with all that it still will hit 70°C under load which is fairly high for a Phenom, if I strap a Noctua fan to the heatsinks with the included silent cable it dips well below 60 at all time and I really can't hear it

>I can't stand the sound of PC fans while sleeping but my PC just have to run 24/7 in the room for business and security reasons.

Yeah I understand that because I have a similar setup

only answer is get fans that handle very low speeds and use a aggressive fan curve and / or have a good sound profile (usually Noctua / Be Quiet fans are the best for that usage)

You will want bigger fans overall, shame they don't really do cases with a lot of 20/23cm fans anymore those are good for airflow with little to no noise but 14cm is an improvement if you can find a case with only those, would not recommend adapters, they might vibrate and do make the sound worse by default.

You might also want to look into silent cases like Fractal Design / Silencio / Antec Silent, they will all have worse thermals but they do deaden sound noticeably, they also cost a fair bit more

Specifically for the CPU heatsink, try to see if you can't get a cheap heatsink like the Hyper 212 / deepcool gamaxx but replacing the fans on those by silent ones high static pressure ones, usually ends up being cheaper and more practical than directly buying the big name heatsink, the stock CPU heatsinks for ryzen are fairly decent for what they are though so you might be able to make do with those

>>16703550

>>16703474

Also very good reference is

https://www.youtube.com/user/CoolingTechnique/videos

but do note that a fan will sound noticeably different if attached to an heatsink / grill or inside a case in general.

>>16703556

Try looking up xeons, those go way cheaper, at the cost of easy OC.

I'm not 10% on whther they can be put on regular consumer mobo though for the haswell gen so you'll have to look that up

>I just want to be able to play Dark Souls and emulate PS2 games.

get a ps2 instead, fhdb

>>16703556

I feel sorry for people that didn't get the early Ryzens when they were cheap, all I needed to do to upgrade was buy a new chip and pop it in, for a guy like you stuck on older Intel architecture you'd have to buy not only the $200+ CPU but also new Mobo and RAM. which if you were going for anything half-decent would front you $400+ to switch to a newer architecture.

>>16703621

Get a load of this goy. What the fuck do you even need that CPU for? Either you're playing shit or you've wasted your money.

>>16703992

>What the fuck do you even need that CPU for?

If you ever have a reason to do work on your computer you will find that having to wait for things to process kills productivity.

>>16704294

Of course, every computer work requires top end CPU to keep up with your superhuman operation.

>>16703992

>he doesn't play modded S.T.A.L.K.E.R. with 4k textures, long-distance grass render and hd npc models

>he doesn't play KCD

>he doesn't play gorgeous car sims

>he doesn't play gorgeous flight sims

>he doesn't play ac7 and project wingman

>he doesn't play rts games

>he doesn't play arma

>he doesn't play modded minecraft

>he doesn't play a shitload of good-looking new games

There's many games worth an upgrade for, faggot.

>>16704348

Not even interested in any of those except KCD.

>>16704395

I'm into AC7 but the rest put me to sleep. Even then I'd rather have a physical copy.

>>16704395

>Not even interested in any of those

We know, it was obvious you were an insufferable faggot from the very start. Don't forget to keep saging as a downboat

>>16704451

Don't worry, goyim will bump for me.

>>16703238

This. Their refund system is severely restricted now. Go read the fine print.

I fucking despise Amazog, but even I have to admit that Amazog is superior to Newegg these days.

>>16709462

Nobody knows where you live or what software you use. Look up some benchmarks.

>>16704506

man I love the pre-ryzen amd memes, they've aged like milk.

OP just get a $200 dell optiplex from ebay, slap a corsair cxm450 and an rx560 in it and call it a day. then get a PS2, a 500GB sata HDD and a sata PS2 adapter and load it full of PS2 games.

>>16709462

Ryzen has been awesome for me. The 1600x has been more than enough to suit my needs.

I also stream to my TV for a lot of my single player games I can play with a controller, with the Steam Link app and Ryzen is objectively superior for in-house streaming. It might lag behind Intel on single core speeds, but it's really not a big deal at the moment, and having silky smooth streaming to my TV has allowed me to casually play through a lot of single player games I wouldn't have been willing to play while sitting in front of my pc.

Imo the price/performance is great and again, I can't reiterate how much better the in home streaming functionality is. If you have any interest, definitely get a cheap steam link device, or get an Nvidia shield and pair an xbone or ps4 controller to play your games (avoid the Nvidia shield controllers at all costs, they're absolute shit).

>>16709462

The 2700 would really just help in video editing

That or slap a Xeon 1230v3 with some BLCK tweaking and better GPU in that system, chances are it'll be enough.

>>16703183

>>16703227

>Don't skimp on the PSU

LISTEN TO THESE FAGGOTS!!! If there was one thing I have learned after building quite a few gaming pc's, it's that you should get the best rated PSU for your rig. Oh, It's $100? Don't whine, it will be worth every penny.

>>16709694

Do it I just finished a 2600 build the other day. 16gb at 3000mz ram, rx580, and an ssd. Kind of a cheap build but it's running games so damn well.

>>16703183

>-get DDR3L ram

I'm curious why 3 and not 4.

>>16703306

You want more cpu that's strong on single threading for emulation. Check benchmarks and compare how much horsepower you get for price.

Or pick a processor like normal.

>>16709694

>>16709828

Could have gotten way better ram than that

>>16709828

>>16710014

it was a good deal and better than the DDR3 I have right now

>>16703250

>Giving money to Israel

>Irrelevant

Why not make yourself irrelevant in the long term scheme of things.

>>16710031

I know but I mean better as in cheaper and faster and more compatible.

4 sticks on ryzen is usually a bad idea

>>16703556

good luck with win10

>>16709580

I hear people lose them all the time usually within a couple years of buying them and even to the extent that it's considered normal and here I am with a 15 year old potato still thundering along. I expect it to go any day but still, this anon is right don't skimp on the power supply.

>>16709694

Ryzen, especially the Zen+ architecture are best paired with high speed ram. Your 4x 2666mhz ram will be a bit of a bottleneck in that system.

>>16712584

First two generation of Zen set the IF (aka the thing that lets the CPU communicate internally and with the rest of the system) clock based on RAM speed optimal speed is 1600-1866 which corresponds to 3200-3733, so yes slow ram means your whole system runs slower, on Zen 22 it's partially decoupled so you don't have the issue as much

>>16712530

That and the vast majority of IMC on ryzen will throw a shitfit if you have 4 sticks on a mobo.

>>16712349

Can't return it, can you