/v/ - Video Games

custom content is 99% of the time of significantly lower quality and .9% equivalent quality and .1% better than official original content. Despite what some people try to peddle most people are not very creative, developers included, but those who create out of passion and desire to create are almost always inferior to those who produce under pressure.

This isn't an argument, it's a fact. Custom content is not really worth the time most of the time.

But that isnt gameplay your talking about if you want to swap out different units from different games into a game that isnt an RTS. if you wanted to mod a game so much its nothing like the original and not even the same genre then you should just make your own game instead of modding someone elses.

If I ever wanted my own franchise which branches to wider audiences I'd put in multiple campaigns with alternate gameplay styles in them.

I want to vicariously live through this game as I play sub-genres of RTS that weren't suppose to be possible. If SC1 didn't have custom maps I would have stopped long ago. Its vanilla gameplay is so fucking horrid and anti intellectual.

Counter Strike, Warcraft 3, Roblox, StarCraft, modded games broke me.

>>16636465

I guess we should give a name to your gay little law of video game mod quality since the scientific community condones it to be perfectly repeatable and true.

I think "Faggot's law" is a good pick.

>>16636659

Mods and modders are fags, ergo the law that binds them to shitty quality must be faggot's law. Perfect. Hear hear.

Nigger that's a spinoff.

Your OP was actually so fucking retarded it gave me diarrhea

>>16636673

Let's put it out there honestly, counter-strike was never very good and relied on custom game modes to be remotely entertaining.

> Like a good example is a producer will decide to add DRM to the game,

impacts the distribution, not the game. Try to stay focused.

>will decide to add a color filter to it.

A bit of a blue filter is far better than the "fixes" modders think up. Have you not seen those trash ENB and sweetFX configs? Disgusting.

>KOTOR 2 is a really good example

Obsidian is a great example of a developer who can't work under pressure, time and time again they blame their failures on everyone else. When they finally had the opportunity to work just for themselves what do they do? Commit the same failures.

>restoration mod

restores and finishes up content not made by modders.

OP, the simple fact of the matter is that all of these properties are owned by different companies, and the incredible legal clusterfuck of shuffling around copyrights like this is simple infeasible. It will never happen.

>>16636676

have you seen they way nu-modders act? they take down their mods over the smallest of things and some even took down everything forever just because drumpf got elected

>>16636683

>>16636769

The fuck are you talking about. I just want devs to embrace the idea of alternate gameplay without relying on modders like a bunch of idiots. If I see one more modder being hired because the employers are too incompetent to find talent on their own then I'm gonna snap.

I've seen Skyrim and Minecraft mods… I still can't believe how shit the gameplay is because they still build on a flawed foundation instead of modifying said foundation.

There's a bunch of obvious standards and practices which happened back in the 2000s and should have kept going through the 2010s.

But the 2010s seem to be depressingly static and creatively bankrupt as the 70s. They can't even be arsed to copy cat each other anymore. Even those many Minecraft copycats are trash compared to the copycats of the 2000s.

We had all sorts of games ripping off on each other and coming up with over the top ideas in an instant like combining RTS and RPG together.

Games also didn't cost that much back then. Content only depended on how fast the level holders worked in 1-2 years.

The idea of 6 different campaigns which each play in a radically different way would be right st home with the originality and creativity of the 2000s.

It's only the 2010s which can be so easily impressed by a Lego game like Infiminer/Minecraft and at the same fuck up its main BASIC appeal on 5 different ocassions. Truly as the hippy era.

>>16636465

>>16636646

>but those who create out of passion and desire to create are almost always inferior to those who produce under pressure

Bullshit. A developer working under pressure but without passion and desire is more likely than anything else going to pump out a polished product, but not a good one.

>You forget to mention that people like MFX and Sock and Daz are professionals and make games for a living, they have experience working under pressure.

You've basically made a loophole for your own claim.

>>16636659

There is already something like that called sturgeon's law (90% of everything is shit). Part of the point though is that the existence of the 90% is irrelevant precisely because you can ignore it at your convenience and focus your attention on the quality stuff that gets made.

>>16636586

>noneug

Well played, tradfag.

>>16636954

>there were just as many shitty games

>Its always been this way

LOL, gaslighting only works if the person has shit memory and confidence. Anybody with half a brain cell on /v/ can tell you there were many more games being made in the 2000's, they were made much more quickly, and they were of much higher replayability than those of today. Look at the games released in 2006 vs those of 2018 and tell me I'm full of shit, protip: you can't.

>>16637057

>Look at the games released in 2006 vs those of 2018 and tell me I'm full of shit, protip: you can't.

There were plenty of shit games released in 2006

>>16637067

name them

>>16637067

That wasn't your retort, you retorted that this day and age isn't creatively bankrupt by stating that the number of shitty games from back then is the same as now. I wanted to say that is retarded since its like saying its always been this way when it hasn't and number of shitty games can't even be properly used to measure game creativity. Rather, your statement might be true only due to the fact that the number of games made nowadays is much less than back then, and yet quality is so low it might match the number of shit games before it. Likewise, the speed of games being made is much much worse than before, which cannot only be accounted to tech advancements.

>>16636918

>I just want devs to embrace the idea of alternate gameplay

Which would require them to have the legal rights to use those other gameplay options from other games. What part of "they don't own that shit so can't use it" don't you fucking understand?? There's a reason why modders aren't allowed to make money when they do that kind of shit.

>>16637178

>24: the game

>bad

That game was fucking lit

<this was just the shit i could find on google

so you didnt post any shit games then? did you literally type shit games from 2006 into google?

>>16637178

>pinpoint the time

2007

>ps2 creatively bankrupt

What is a better sign of creative bankruptcy: lot of forgettable titles with some good ones that everyone remembers, or few titles overall with vast majority being complete shit

There was a lot of bad games before, but now there are less games overall, bad games are even worst than then, and there are less good titles than ever before.

Also

>2007

Shit games started popping up before then, but the shitty recipe of cutscene hitbox cover shooter fps that half-life 2 started only really got going this year with cod4, Tumblr started this year, valve started making steam into social media lite, ect.

>>16637178

I remember being fond of the Cars video game.

>>16637196

>Which would require them to have the legal rights to use those other gameplay options from other games.

What the flying fuck. Are you underage or a fourth worlder?

This is a really really really blatantly false and even someone with zero knowledge in laws can say that you're dumb and naive.

I know there was a 2015s game where it was like Deus Ex a RPG+FPS where you had plenty of weapons like katanas, freeze guns, normal guns, armor. Can't remember the name though.

If a game cannot stand on its own too legs and needs mods to make it worthwhile, it's a bad game.

That's not to say that mods can't somewhat improve a game, they absolutely can, but a game should never make you think

>you know? this would be better with mods and shit

while you're playing it. If the game cannot keep you satisfied with the content already present, it's a shit game.

>>16637352

>Games can just steal assets from other games and nobody will care

Lol.

>>16644494

>If a game cannot stand on its own too legs and needs mods to make it worthwhile, it's a bad game.

are you saying fallout new vegas, STALKER, any bethesda game and half life 2 are bad games?

>>16645963

I think STALKER stands on it's own two legs, just not particularly well considering the crashes and bugs. Otherwise I had a blast playing Vanilla.

>>16636465

I think that depends on the game and the community. For example, most of the newer user-made campaigns for Freespace 2 are either equal or better than the official campaigns.

>>16636465

>custom content is 99% of the time of significantly lower quality and .9% equivalent quality and .1% better than official original content

Tell that to Skyrim. The mods for that game are 100% better than the original game.

>>16636433

Are you asking devs to start making mods or something?

>>16646245

>are 100% better than the original game

Not really helping your argument since Skyrim OC is shit.

>>16646247

Halo custom maps then, with the base game it's fun and all but custom games are even better.

>b-b-b-but halo is shit too!

then I don't know what to say other than you're probably retarded

>>16646263

>putting words in my mouth

All I said is that Skyrim is a shit game. Why are you so butthurt over objective facts?

>>16646245

>Are you asking devs to start making mods or something?

Would that be so … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSLhrIuAZak ?

>>16636673

>KOTOR 2 is a really good example where the base game is just average but the restoration mod pushes it into really good.

Too bad they couldn't do shit to fix the broken companion AI.

>>16636783

>There are also mods for Bethesda games that are unquestionably better than anything Bethesda has put out recently in terms of writing.

To be fair, being a better writer than Bethesda isn't difficult.

>>16636954

>That's because a great deal of elements are still hardcoded. Like with Skyrim you can't add new skills.

Actually, you can add new skills. They just won't appear in the perk menu. You'd have to put them in an MCM for the mod, like Forgotten Magic does for its spells. I think Hunterborn does something like that as well. There's still a lot of stuff that is hardcoded, though.

>There were just as many shitty games released in the 2000s as there are nowadays you just don't remember them because you forgot them

That's because in the 2000s, there were more games being released in general. That meant more bad games, but also more good ones. Now there are fewer games, and most of them are bad.