/v/ - Video Games

>>16556471

I make my buildings myself, i don't trust those assets

>>16556568

Frick. All I want is classic blocky FPS-architecture.

>>16556591

You will probably lose less time if you make your own in blender, believe me

>>16556507

Looking good.

OY VEY REMEMBER THE SIX MILLION MELTED ICEBERGS

>>16556471

Is that Godot? I assume you're tiling one object: are you absolutely sure both vertices are at the same position?

>>16556507

looking nice

>>16556591

I suggest checking https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/modeling/sabrecsg-level-design-tools-47418

I am pretty sure you can create presets like windows and plop them one after another anywhere, for instance

>>16556632

ProBuilder is for Unity

>>16556632

What >>16556652 said.

>>16556650

Thanks, I will try it out.

>This works

assert(io.open("./terra_utils/algo.t")); 

local shits = {
	"graphics/hlp",
	"graphics/def",
	"graphics/slots",
	"terra_utils/new",
	"terra_utils/debug"};
for i,shit in ipairs(shits) do
	print(shit);
	print(require(shit));
end

>But not this

local shits = {
	"graphics/hlp",
	"graphics/def",
	"graphics/slots",
	"terra_utils/new",
	"terra_utils/debug"};
for i,shit in ipairs(shits) do
	print(shit);
	print(require(shit));
end

assert(io.open("./terra_utils/algo.t")); 

what the fuck.

>>16556471

>ProBuilder

which version?

I also remember unity being kinda fucky when it comes to light calculation on lower settings. see if it still happens on the highest quality.

>>16556680

I found the issue. It's very stupid. Some function I was calling in my sprite loader (which was in a file require()'d by a file require()'d by a file require()'d by graphics/slots.t was changing the cwd.

>>16557240

> shoot down rockets

> quickdraw

> sniper duel

> save the hostages

> target juggling

> headshot challenge

> panzer dragoon lock-on system

> rhythm shooter

> feed starving animals by shooting bags of food from a distance

>>16558799

Yep, we're working on it, what you see is just the first iteration. Hopefully it will be done sometime this week.

>>16557962

That's just how sending packets over a stream like TCP works, but there's some things to note:

>size_t is not a fixed-size type. On win32, it's 32 bits, and in win64, it's 64 bits. Use uint16_t or something similar defined in <stdint.h>.

>Any struct data fields may also be subject to the above. Though this is usually not as big of an issue.

>Any struct data that is sent over networking should also have padding disabled. Wrapping a #pragma pack(push, 1) and #pragma pack(pop) around the struct will do that for you. This isn't just important for "different architectures" like the above, but disabling padding will significantly reduce the bandwidth usage.

Serialization is a pain in the ass in every language, and so is networking.

But in the amazing world of C you can abuse flexible struct members and variable length arrays to make it much easier for yourself.

>>16559000

>size_t is not a fixed size

>disable padding

what the fug, well thanks for noting me that. I'm not sure if SDL's networking library does serialization by default (probably not) but I'm not too worried at of this moment to try to pack as much data as possible

>>16560574

The thing is, if you only compile for one platform (e.g. 64-bit windows) you don't run into these issues. The aforementioned issues only occur if you compile for multiple platforms that behave differently (e.g. win32 and win64). There's more things like endianness or char not being 8 bits, but those are so rare these days you can safely ignore them.

Cards.

>>16569498

What kind of UI, anon?

>>16569973

This only generates the bare skeleton of the room - it doesn't place pretty tiles, objects, enemies, or even create ingame door links. It's just to figure out the room shape and position in the game map. But after I have this, I should be able to comfortably transform my room nodes into rough shapes and go from there

>>16569498

Design the UI outside of godot then implement it in engine.

Read the docs.

Practice.

Ask more specific questions to get more specific answers.

>>16569498

>in Godot

Basically >>16569983

UI has nothing to do with the engine, it's just a bunch of lists and static hitboxes with sprites over them.

>>16570226

How soon until with AI you can press a button and BAM it makes it for you??

>>16570229

AI can eat the underside of a pot left in the damp shade of an unlit crevice of 30 years, get a disease, and fuck right off. Making it yourself will always be the true path to happiness and suffering. Forgot to mention this:

< study draw() and update()

< study 2D draw order based on child position in tree/branches

< study export variables

< study groups+signals

> study UIs from other games

>>16570630

>ideas that appeal to me first and to others second

Can't say I know the feeling of not having art, but why does this matter?

>>16570630

The trick is to just like make game.

Also, actually enjoying the process is the key of keeping productivity up. If you don't enjoy it, you'll only end up working at a terrible pace.

I very much enjoy programming, but I've barely got any experience modeling and I hate myself when I do it because I'm bad at it. As a result, my productivity is abysmal when modeling, but amazing with programming.

>gameplay ideas that appeal to me first and to others second

Good ideas always appeal to you first and to others second, because otherwise you wouldn't bother making them.

What translates an idea into one with mass appeal is to understand why it is appealing to you, and how that appeal can be extended to a larger audience without diluting it.

>>16570630

There are tools outside of just using Photoshop and Blender. If you just use those you will be in a world of pain. Learn the tools of the trade to aid in your art.

>>16570630

I'm just not a weak-willed faggot like you.

>>16570771

Where's your game?

>>16570972

Where's yours?

>>16570771

>>16571130

>nodev shitting on other people

Has the transformation to 4um/agdg/ begun?

>>16571163

>doesn't post game

>calls others nodev

My game is in the thread faggot, can't say the same about yours.

>>16571207

Could've just said "yes".

>>16570630

>it always seems such a daunting task requiring artistic skills I don't have

Don't focus too much on art alone. You will learn it if you do it. Learn other game dev skills too, like audio editing, programming or similar. That will ensure that you won't burn out on art stuff alone. It completely changed me.

>with gameplay ideas that appeal to me first and to others second

So? Just do it man. My entire reason for devving is to make a game I would like because I hate what the modern industry has become.

>>16571588

>even if it autistically fits all my criteria I'm afraid it'll just be a pile of garbage to everyone else

If you think it's great and put all your feeling into it, then there's other people who will think so too. It might be a problem if you're interested in some obscure thing like typical hacking games which are boring as fuck seemingly by design, but otherwise I myself wouldn't be concerned about making a game that I wanted to exist.

>>16569498

Make a game mockup (fake screencap) with your intended ui and sprites, then implement that into your editor.

>>16575717

What exactly are you trying to do? Bresenham's algorithm does not find every cell the line intersects, it just finds a bunch of cells that look like a line.

>>16576682

>You already have implicit knowledge of all cells in a given line,since that is the definiton of the line

There are multiple definitions of a line, not all of which include being composed of all cells that contain a line.

>>16576682

>You already have implicit knowledge of all cells in a given line,since that is the definiton of the line

The definition of a line is two points, anon.

>>16576992

Technically, a line segment is two points

>>16577086

A line is uniquely determined by two points and each two points define a line.

>>16572825

That sounds like a good way to think about it

DON'T WATCH E3 JUST DON'T

>>16578014

Why?

It's a great motivator, the more dogshit the industry becomes, the more my game will sell

>>16578014

Too late.

>>16573644

More of the same but with sound and new standing sprites. Think I'm done for today, been going for about 12 hours.

>>16578014

>no decent games

Guess we need to pick up the slack.

Could someone suggest a good torrent for Maya ?

>>16578852

https://www.blender.org/download/

>>16578867

Anon could you suggest img tracing within blender if I'd tried rendering models on it ?

>>16581374

The process for any CA is that you have an initial state, a set of rules, and then a finished state, after applying all rules simultaneously?

>>16581571

Is there any particular difficulties you've had with it? You should be able to implement and work with marching squares/cubes algorithms comfortably, I think

>>16581608

Voxel based is not exactly a cubish game, this game for example is entirely voxel based, and more closely to what i want to do.

I know (in theory) how to do a minecraft clone on some engine like unity or godot, but making the same thing i would do on this minecraft clone on a game that looks like vangers looks really wrong.

Blender 2.8 has some really cool stuff.

>>16581695

It took me a minute to understand what you meant by binary-based; each cell is either 0 or 1 (I thought why not just use boolean, but then I realized it's not really number-based even though some languages interpret any non-zero value as 1/true)

>>16581682

>>16581571

You should be able to use a sparse voxel octree.

>16581733

I was literally just watching that video.

>>16581970

I messed up. Meant to reply to >>16581733

>>16581970

>sparse voxel octree

Thank you, i was looking for some key words, and that's exactly what i wanted.

>>16582126

Happy to help.

>>16581907

>>16581825

Is it possible to perform cellular automata in-place? I feel like the answer is no - mutating the source array will alter the results, and you will always need an additional data structure to store the output

Also, found this:

https://www.please use archive.is/2015/07/28/how-do-roguelikes-generate-levels/

http://archive.is/dUP2J

>>16582335

I suppose you can store multiple levels of information through bit shifting and just access a unique level each pass.

lets say youre using a ubyte:

store starting data in the 1st bit

>1< -0- -0- -0- -0- -0- -0- -0-

on first iteration, for each cell:

read from adjacent cells 1st bit

>1< -0- -0- -0- -0- -0- -0- -0-

apply the rules of the CA and store the result in the 2nd bit

on second iteration, for each cell:

read from adjacent cells using their 2nd bit this time

-0- >1< -0- -0- -0- -0- -0- -0-

apply the rules of the CA and store the result back into the 1st bit

then repeat for however many iterations you want. this way the iterations dont have to be stored in another variable to prevent it from interfering with its source.

or you could just use a struct or something if youre a pussy

>>16581682

>>16581571

Minecraft's approach of "just put everything into a block array of blocks lmao" works perfectly fine.

If you want a higher resolution of voxels, then it's not just about using an algorithm like sparse octrees to compress the data, but you also need a way to efficient traverse the data and perform collision detection. The main cost of voxel worlds isn't in memory, it's in the read/write speed.

But if you just want your world to look less blocky, there's other approaches you can take:

>Tesselation to dynamically generate details on blocks

>Marching cubes or naive surface nets to tesselate into a smoother geometry https://0fps.net/2012/07/12/smooth-voxel-terrain-part-2/

>>16581571

Here is the source code to VOXLAP, the engine that runs on:

http://advsys.net/ken/voxlap/voxlap05.htm

>>16583086

what

>>16583920

Looks cool, what are you working on?

>>16582706

Thats a huge micro optimization and i think doing that would cause more overhead than just shitting it into another array freely, because of how C# handles certain things.

My big hurdle is detecting the adjacent cells in a quick manner. Specifically avoiding having to nest the bounds checks inside the loop itself

>>16586519

>Concept art

I'd say insofar as you'd be basically making character sheets to keep design and style consistent. If you're more than a 1MA you probably want some, or if you're an artfag with an elaborate project.

>How good are video tutorials

Everyone learns differently. Do you learn by doing? Watching? Reading? Do the right one.

>>16586519

I'd say planning out your game in general, getting everything you want down on paper is very important. Concept art is a part of that.

>>16583205

I'm kinda skimming through this, but if I understand this right: This is essentially a whole slew of optimizations to produce a mesh similar to marching cubes, but do it significantly faster, mostly through efficient use parallelization and reducing memory access?

The reason why I named both marching cubes and naive surface nets is because they produce very different results. Naive surface nets has the nice advantage of being identical to Minecraft tesselation with the vertices moved a bit, making it trivial to mix Minecraft-esque block construction with smooth naive surface net terrain.

Don't get me wrong, it's a cool algorithm. But I don't think voxel tessellation is a significant bottleneck as it only occurs sparringly.

>Turns out my validation layers weren't even functioning for 2 months

>Switch to the fancy new unified validation layer

>Terminal output is flooded with several MB of error messages

>>16587300

At least I've found one of the issues. I was getting a GPU hang because I was freeing some of the command buffers I was using to perform copies before they actually finished execution.

>>16586759

The reference implementation in VTK derives its tables from the Marching Cubes ones. It then produces a visually identical mesh. The topology looks the same, too, but is different due to it being an indexed mesh (as opposed to the "triangle soup", as it's called, that MC produces).

It's not a set of optimizations as much as a fundamentally different approach to extracting a disctetized isosurface. Whereas MC solves the problem by dividing your space into voxels, each of which are solved independently, FE looks at how the isosurface is intersected by the edges along an axis if your choice. It doesn't work on a voxel basis.

The speedups are achieved in a variety of ways, but the underlying idea is that FE prevents redundant calculations. MC calculates and stores many vertices and its normals up to four times. This doesn't just eat processing time, but also massive amounts of memory. As a result, FE can handle significantly larger datasets (while also being a lot faster).

Anon shmup here

orz

>Plan animation needed data, location, local update, update to GPU. Pretty much the whole cycle.

>Start to implement it

>Realize that I do have vertex attribute limitations

orz

Hopefully I have some plan B, use another texture buffer for dynamic animations along with the other for pre-calculated animations that I have. Then I can specify each instance dynamic animation start with 1 attribute and send all dynamic joint in one batch.

Will be revising my plan on what I modify.

>>16570630

You just like make game, simple

>>16559863

>sah yeah sah

I like it

>>16586519

Get a prototype first of your idea first, then do concept art to polish things up.

>>16556507

Unless you are adding in more enemies, putting in a flare gun that does an explosion on enemies faster than you that pretty much always get you in the blast is stupid.

>>16557238

boo ya

>>16585076

Stealth platformer with a planned RPG combat system like Xenogears meets Vandal Hearts.

So after much pain, I finally have gotten textures properly uploaded to the GPU and sampled. The only issue now is that it seems to be suffering from some kind of gamma correction; not sure why. Should I be using R8G8B8A8_UNORM for my image formats?

>>16588609

Well we're adding more enemies and letting the player carry a second weapon as well to fight off enemies that get too close.

>>16558589

genius

>>16586605

>I'm concerned that I'll miss key details with how to properly do it

and? your first implementations will suck, like the first time you do anything. repetition distills ability, same reason grade schoolers write the same letter over and over. just get it working, next time you know the bumps in the road and since it's not your first time doing it you already got some experience which will only get better over time.

watching or reading both have pros/cons, written tutorials give you the ability to search and find stuff easy instead of remembering times where it was talked about in a video.

imo best way is to use both and different books/videos too, because even in source materials there can be wild quality swings - which brings us back to the beginning why it's silly to worry about doing it properly the first time (my favourite is probably webdev-shit that just shills a framework without mentioning it anywhere on the cover).

>>16588251

It's not that simple rRREeeeeeeeeee

>>16590897

Actually maybe i will keep the number inside the icon window, but make the icons larger and put it in the top left

>>16590969

It is, just do it

>>16590969

How would you know? You've never even tried to just like make game.

>>16558589

Thats really great, anon.

>>16590897

Depends a lot on if you want to make it controller-friendly or not. I'd personally separate things into 4/5 categories and have a menu where you pick a category, then get a list of 6-10 things listed at once, with wider icons and the ability to scroll the list up/down.

Maybe have an "everything" category as well.

Even better would be defining the menu layouts in JSON files or something, so you could provide that and something more condensed like you have currently, and players could even mod the menu to their own liking.

>>16591009

>using Unity for 2D

NO

>>16591086

>MUH UNITY

completely irrelevant when learning and looking for an easy entry. concepts are engine-agnostic for the most part anyway.

>2D

fun fact, check what engine ori runs on.

>>16571022

Fuck yea anon, just don't make a mod that replaces all the voices. Just adds your voice for some of them.

>>16591086

>2019

>hating unity

It's time to stop anon

>>16591182

Have you missed Unity controversy? Don't you know about their Jewish monetisation? Don't you know it's partially owned by Tencent?

>Muh 2019

I hope, your post was ironical, otherwise you either brain dead or Jew.

>>16591203

Meant for >>16591182

>>16591086

Its already in XML

>>16588936

>Falling for the 2008 one weapon on the back meme

wew, if its for game balance then sure add it in. But if you want to make the game more action focused with more enemies per X, then adding in multiple weapons would be pretty cool. But again, its your game and your balance. Looks like something I would play regardless though, il look for it on demo day.

Finally, some fucking progress. I'm working on Godot curse of the Azure Bonds.

>Fixed data decoding

>Extracted font image

>Wasted many hours trying to display it

>Learned to write decoded data to PNG

>Read about how to dynamically create bitmap fonts

>Googled for three minutes and found ready public domain font

I feel a bit stupid, but now I know how to decode images which would be very useful very soon.

>>16591204

>controversy

like what, not wanting to get fucked over by streaming services (and was clarified a few days later)?

>Jewish monetisation

you don't even pay royalties

>partially owned by Tencent?

either you confuse it with epic or you don't know what "partnership" means, but I'm gladly proven wrong if you got a source

>otherwise you either brain dead or Jew.

if it's so bad I'm sure you can point out exactly why, especially for 2d.

>>16591204

>>16591203

Unity has a lot of flaws but in my opinion it's an engine that makes it very easy to be productive. My gripes are mainly that the editor and game run on the same thread so if your game locks up you're fucked. The profiler sucks dick as well, sometimes using 30+ gigs of RAM.

>>16591220

>>Falling for the 2008 one weapon on the back meme

I know /v/ really hates 2 weapon limits in general but I think it can work out here. The idea is to have some set of consequence to what you bring into a dungeon so you have to think about your loadout and not just bring everything. We're gonna playtest with both the limit and without it though, so we'll see how it ends up in the end.

>>16591249

He's just a FOSS-fag, don't bother.

>>16583920

I know how to build a lost of my radar targets for moving the 2D sprites around, but it took most of a day. dictionaries

>>16591256

>My gripes are mainly that the editor and game run on the same thread so if your game locks up you're fucked

Why don't you just, like, never make a mistake?

>>16591256

>My gripes are mainly that the editor and game run on the same thread so if your game locks up you're fucked.

I know it's a big part of the whole edit-and-jump-into-what-you-just-made thing Unity has going, but this will piss me off to no end.

>The profiler sucks dick as well, sometimes using 30+ gigs of RAM.

>unity manual swears: Note that profiling has to instrument your code (that is; add some instructions to facilitate the check). While this has a small impact on the performance of your game, the overhead is small enough to not affect the game framerate.

How the hell is 30GBs of RAM overhead considered small enough?

>>16592296

And just finally figured out Unity is currently undergoing a massive re-write that's changing fucking everything and will break compatibility with earlier versions of unity, including pre-fabs and the network stuff. I guess I better wait a year or two for things to settle before trying to use Unity for a 3D multiplayer game.

>>16593091

That rewrite is never-ever tier, even if it does come out it will be in such a shitty state there's no point using it for years.

>>16593091

gameobjects will still be supported for a while and even if they switch completely they specifically have the LTS version for that (which has 2 years of support iirc).

from what I've seen prefabs works pretty much the same just with some added functionality/usability, network was inevitable since the old one worked but had it's own issues (while still not being as shit as unreal where listen servers don't even to interpolation since like 2014, not to mention can't even do basic shit like host migration).

>trying to use Unity for a 3D multiplayer game.

if anything DOTS will probably work better than anything so far, on the the big issues was performance which seems to be fixed somewhat (not that I believe the official comparisons especially since they compare it to the heaviest/worst implementation like destruction instead of pooling etc., but it will be a step in the right direction). api is finalized for 2019.2 I think, that's when I gonna start messing with it.

I just want a contender to fucking UE which gets picked because performance/graphics while ignoring anything else to the point it's worse than quake 1 from 20 years ago - even if it's fucking unity.

>>16592296

>How the hell is 30GBs of RAM overhead considered small enough?

if you have enough ram ;^)

>>16593402

I'm actually considering buying a new computer to handle that shit.

>>16594414

Nice sky dick, faggot.

>>16593409

ram is cheaper than 2016 even, definitely going with 32 gig this time.

what's the average professional dev ram spec anyway?

>>16591249

Same anon.

You are right, it's not ownership, it's partnership. I could've made more research, but I don't want to.

What I tried to say isn't that it's bad. I tried to say that it's okay to hate it be skeptical about it.

Unity is obviously better than nothing for just like make a game (TM).

But I don't see why not to use Godot instead. It's virtually has no downsides unless you need:

<Occlusion culling

<Working with huge numbers of the same objects in 3D

<3rd party SDK's like AdMob

The last one render Godot unusable for many commercial projects. And it's way easier to find unity guy than to find Godot guy. So studio, probably, should pick unity/UE

But for edgy dagy Godot is almost perfect, unless you are trying to get into industry or other personal reasons.

>Muh 2019

I guess this tranny shit just triggered me too much.

Okay, about progress. I've started writing resource extractor for COAB. Images has some shitty format which I need to parse to create normal resources and use them. It's still hard for me to break down code into files. I guess, I have some mental block due to code being connected to nodes and that you have to manually load files.

>>16556407

Started 2 weeks ago, so far its just studying how each program works before i get into the meat of it. Always wanted to try my hands at a Guild Management Sim. Recruit people, send them out on missions and build up your guild. Nothing too crazy really. I gotta say though watching everyone work so hard on their own game is inspiring, I just hope I don't end up like YandereDev

>>16596476

If you find yourself writing a ton of repetitive code, or coding your own math routines, something has probably gone wrong. Look at the language/engine, see if there is a simple solution already available. I once saw someone manually create an array by defining every single entry as a global variable(pages of them), and wrote a function to index the abortion.

>>16595358

>tried to say that it's okay to hate it be skeptical about it.

the main problem is unity gets a lot of hate by clueless nodevs because shit devs shit out shit games and not being a shit engine (debatable, but a different topic). hence the >2019, since it's like memeing ps3 has no games.

>But I don't see why not to use Godot instead. It's virtually has no downsides unless you need:

because unity has a fuckload of learning shit available, and the post was about getting started. the linked 2d/3d kit is easy since you can do stuff without coding and the principles/how shit works are easy transferable once figured out. not everyone wants to start with an empty window and make a cube rotate etc.

nothing keeps people from learning stuff with unity, then do stuff godot. the first few projects will be small and crap anyway and after that he should now if he wants to keep going or switch to other stuff like modeling etc.

Enginefag here

I'm using GLFW callbacks to get my window's size and framebuffer size.

I was under the impression these two were different from one another, looking at the documentation, but the size of both of these is the same?

>>16597320

The framebuffer is just client area of the window that is being updated by the program. When you say you want a window to be a certain size, you generally mean you want the client area to be that size. GLFW is probably just dealing with the client area size and not the true window size. So, they are the same.

>>16597469

After seeing your post, I played around and discovered what GLFW is calling window size is the same as the framebuffer size, and these are both different from the window's size including the insets, at least on my OS

Thanks anon

My gay brother will probably soon post his dog shit huge ass mobile interface for blind people. Please shame some good taste into him

>>16598833

I can see he's your brother.

>>16598833

>not just porting coc to braille

>>16598941

>not just porting cock to breathe

So, where can you get people to betatest your game? Steam communities if you use game making engines?

>>16598833

>expanded icons from 38x38 to 64x64 so you can actually see what they are

OH GOD WHAT IS THIS HORRIBLE MOBILE UI HOW COULD YOU DO THIS?

In general, how should the relationship between the client and server be handled?

>>16599212

This question is too general to be answerable.

>>16599212

Anything that matters is the server job

UI is for the client, but make sure the client doesn't know what he doesn't need to, otherwise you can make client-side hacks to see through walls and shit

>>16599212

The client is slave to the server

The client asks for things, the server may or may not give the client

The server never lets the client do something it cannot check if it was done properly one way or another

This could actually get a chad vs virgin image to properly illustrate how much of a bitch the client have to be

>>16599232

Seems to me that a client-side wallhack would just be dependent on the client knowing where an enemy is, which seems like the kind of thing the server would need to be sending to the client.

Unless you're implying that the server should only be sending information about where the enemy is if the server detects the enemy is currently in the player's visual range.

>>16599226

If you want specifically what I had in mind I was thinking of how an object that is managed by the server would render on the client's end.

>>16599320

For example if an object that is managed by the server would do nothing but render on the client's end, what would be the most effective way of transferring position, angle, animations, etc

Saging for doublepost

>>16599324

Well you definitely wouldn't be sending animation data over the pipeline. In general what you would do is assign the object a state (isReloading, isJumping, etc.) and the client plays the animation based on the state. Sending entire animations over the pipeline is a complete no-go.

Location and rotation is stored on the server. Any player interactions are replicated ASAP so the server can change its end and then replicate to all other players. You'd probably just replicate location and rotation using whatever units you use in your game engine (float, if I had to guess?)

>>16599335

I've seen some games use numerical ID's in place of Strings or booleans for animations and object states (ex Dark Souls). What do you think of transferring state and animation data like this?

My last question is: how would the client know which states/positions/et cetra belong to which object being managed by the server, and then pass that along to the correct models?

My initial solution was to make client copies of objs that only contain client-relevant data, passing that along to the Renderer, but I'm unsure if this is a conventional approach.

>>16599358

>I've seen some games use numerical ID's in place of Strings or booleans for animations and object states (ex Dark Souls). What do you think of transferring state and animation data like this?

Effectively it's the same thing. You're simply setting a state using an identifier other than booleans or enums.

>how would the client know which states/positions/et cetra belong to which object being managed by the server, and then pass that along to the correct models?

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but it sounds like it would depend on the framework or engine you're using. Are you coding this from scratch or are you using something like Unreal or Unity?

>>16599996

Will be a boss or something like that?

>>16600146

Believe it or not, that is actually the protagonist of Sgt Hale's Shinobu Project 2. Every object the player character can carry is being held by a separate arm on the character model as a form of precaching for performance reasons and the game swaps between them on the fly. Of course, since the entire game is played in first person you will never see your head, torso, or legs without enabling the third person camera through the console.

>>16600200

Ok this is canon now

>>16599025

White looks too bright to me, also the bottom right corner overlapping the scrollbar looks weird. If I were to click on it when the scrollbar is in the lowest position, which element would be active, window resize or scroll?

>>16601678

The resizer has the priority

I will extend the window bellow so they don't overlap

And try to change all white to a light beige or something we are using xmllayout, some of the elements are hard coded

>>16599212

Depends on the model.

In Dead Reckoning, every tick the server sends over the latest gamestate to the client, whilst the client sends over his inputs. The client also extrapolates the latest gamestate from the server, applying inputs it recently sent as well.

If the extrapolation is poorly implemented (e.g. you don't properly account for inputs, or the gamestate the server sends over doesn't contain important components) then the player will experience periodic "warping". I'm sure you've seen moments where you try to move in some way, only to be warped back every ~.25s, until you move backwards and that works fine. That's a case of the client extrapolation diverging from the server.

In Lockstep, the client sends their inputs to the server. Every tick, the server groups up all the received inputs and sends them to the clients. The clients can then apply these inputs to their gamestate and run a few ticks of game logic.

This makes the simulation 100% in sync, but introduces an input delay roughly equal to your ping. Your game logic also needs to be fully synchronized and deterministic, unlike Dead Reckoning.

The new kid on the block, Rollback, is essentially a better but far more computationally expensive Lockstep. Clients send over their inputs to the server, together with the ticks these inputs were pressed on, which just like Lockstep groups up these inputs and broadcasts them to all clients. However, in Rollback, clients keep a history of gamestates, and upon receiving an input that was done in the "past", it rolls back to an earlier state, applies the input, then fast-forwards. The advantage here is that clients can immediately apply their own inputs when sending them, essentially removing the delay of Lockstep on the client side, at the cost of having to compute multiple ticks in a single frame. (The resulting ticks per second is equal to "ping*tickrate²". Note the square.)

In practice, most games apply Dead Reckoning as it is the most simple. Just spamming over the gamestate from the server end, clients extrapolate the movement/animations of entities, and its often already good enough.

Sometimes Dead Reckoning is not workable, like with Strategy Games featuring too many entities. In those cases, the gamestate would become excessively large, so sending over only the inputs becomes far cheaper. The input delay is a non-issue too, as the focus is on strategy, and not split-second timing.

Rollback is the new cool kid on the block. It was popularized by GGPO a few years back. It is utilized mostly in fighting games, as Dead Reckoning is too inaccurate, whilst Lockstep has too much delay. The rollback-warp that occurs in Rollback is also a non-issue in fighting games, as attacks generally come out so fast you can't react to them anyway. Fighting games also have barely any game logic going on, so the computational cost is negligible.

Embed is a GDC talk about people implementing rollback into their engine. Most of it is just hacking their own engine to make it work efficiently enough though.

>>16599025

Are you making a life sim? If so, can we know more?

>>16602459

Forgot I still had the :^) flag.

>>16602492

Entire UI. I'd also change the gray bar at the top, but I'm not sure what I'd change it into.

>>16602747

oh the gray is actually the sky, the UI is semi-transparent

>>16599025

A drop-down for sorting would be better, so you could sort by name, type, value per item, value of the whole stack, count, weight, etc.

>>16599996

Totenmaske is looking good.

>>16602902

I see, makes more sense than buttons indeed

>>16602811

Looks nice. You are going to be homeless.

>>16596354

continue.

>>16605468

>>16605435

I know you want to write your cool essay on faggotry but I would prefer it if none of this rainbow shit stained the thread at all.

>>16605499

>>16605487

>>16605468

>>16605435

Why don't you kill yourself for spamming the thread with shit nobody cares? fag month is not vidya and much less vidya making

>>16605510

>fag month is not vidya and much less vidya making

Leftist shits are trying to make videogames political. I wouldn't support a dev/engine/platform that encourages it.

I'm still waiting for the games

>>16605817

>>16606265

>He came into this thread just to get his shit slapped

Kek

Where's Memoirs of Magic though? That shit's done to, although I don't think the dev posted their release here

https://strawberryoctii.itch.io/memoirs-of-magic

>>16606481

http://8agdg.wikidot.com/general:vmprojects

The wiki is horribly out of date since anons aren't known for taking responsibility about some other people's entries and the fact that a lot of projects just get dropped without notification.

>>16606647

>>16606481

MoM anon hasn't posted here in quite some time. I think he cut ties with us because of our controversies, but I'm talking out of my ass here.

>>16606650

Wasn't the guy also some giant furry who was into diaper shit?

>>16606650

That's weird considering he's been here for years, maybe even the GG exodus, and never cared.

>>16606653

>citation needed

>>16606653

>>16606660

Nevermind. It says it right on his page, although nothing about diaper shit

http://8agdg.wikidot.com/strawberry-octopus

>>16606718

I think the thing I hate the most, and I hate all of it, is the fucked angle the spine has to be bent in just to get the ass in the shot.

>>16606727

>Dynamite strapped to bottle

That's so fucking retarded I love it

>>16606734

Its on the same tier as dolphins with snorkels or birds with jetpacks

>>16606740

>Second picture

That's still not loony toons dynamite. I'd honestly keep it the way it is.

>>16606755

I'm not gonna change anything about it.

>>16602811

If you're going for cozy you're still a long way off. The window title is misaligned. The placeholder text in the fields has very poor contrast and clashes color temperature. Corner rounding is inconsistent between everything. You're mixing serif and sans-serif in what looks non-intentional. The window chrome itself is muddy and depressing compared to the bright, fresh ingredients. And I'm still bitter that you didn't even respond to the tool-tip feedback I gave.

>>16607726

Best way of learning programming is to program.

>>16607726

SICP is pretty good.

>>16605435

Not really relevant to the thread at all. Bringing it up if somebody mentioned the Amethyst engine would be appropriate, but this isn't the GamerGate thread, and random blog posts aren't needed here. This isn't a news thread for dumping general events tangentially related to game development.

>>16607726

>Another thing is that while I was learning these basics, I tried to figure out how the car's engine worked when the lesson/exercise was just to turn the engine on because I didn't know why I was doing what I was told to do.

This is a good thing. It means you're curious and that's important to learn literally anything since you're naturally inclined to look for information on your own and fill the gaps of what's missing.

If this how you function then you don't need a video to explain it. All it's gonna happen is that you're going to see a video for an example, you'll start doing it but it will feel very constraining. You'll spend the entire time imagining what else you could do with anything they throw at you but you're following the exercise so you won't.

Best way to learn in your case is to do 2 things, possibly at the same time:

1: "Just, like, code!"

Pick an idea, any idea. Not for a videogame but for something that you can program. For instance, try to make an NPC that walks around and does several chores in a house. Program his routine, the way he recognizes and memorizes tools, the use of each tool, passive things that happen in the background (plants growing, dust accumulating). These are multiple things that you should take one at a time, but completing each one will teach you how to program, all you gotta do is find out how to do them.

For instance, the NPC will need to recognize tools for a task. How does he do so? Maybe the tasks have a tag regarding the correct type of tool necessary and every tool can have several tags that tell the game it can be used for that purpose. Maybe they have a magnitude for each tag and the NPC uses the best tool available for the job.

How does the NPC remenber the tools? Just their location? Or the container that has them? Maybe he can look around by raycasting and detecting objects with a routine to wander while he searches them?

How do you do any of this? Look information for it!

Instead of being handed a toolbox and told what each tool does, you're handed a problem and you go look for tools that help to solve it in a toolbox. You're not only seeing a practical example of everything you find, you're actually doing something on your own, can find plenty of short examples to learn, commit mistakes to learn from them and you'll find multiple solutions and tools for the same problem.

2: "Does this clown taste funny to you?"

Cannibalize code. Find someone that already made something similar to what you did, read their code until you understand what the fuck it all is and then incorporate it on your project. DO NOT COPY IT UNDER ANY CIRCUNSTANCE.

Copying teaches nothing and you'll often end up with something that works for their specific problem but isn't optimal for yours. If you truly understand how their code works, you can adapt it to your problem easily.

This has the benefit that you're gonna see someone else's style and details, learning a few tricks with them automatically as well (as long as you understand it) which can help correct a lot of problems and mistakes you'll make with self-learning. The more different coders you read, the more you can potentially learn and speed up your work later on. You'll also save a bunch of time since there's a lot of things that don't need to be reinvented. Screw the fags that tell you to code your own engine, you just need to retrofit the wheel to your specific cart and you're ready to go.

>>16607726

>video course

Seconding >>16607733

If all you do is watch videos then it's no wonder you forget all of it.

I'd unironically start with Javascript. Very easy to use and start experimenting without any other tools than a browser and a text editor. Then move to a compiled language when you have a general idea of what coding is like and how to make it do things.

>>16607763

>book that teaches a meme language used by no one and is radically different from the actually relevant languages for gamedev

Great idea.

>>16607726

I'd recommend finding something that teaches you programming first. If you try to get into it with something like a Unity tutorial there's a good chance you'll find yourself easily frustrated. Because you're trying to learn both programming and games programming at the same time.

My personal recommendation would be those "learn programming in 24 hours" try to find one for the language you want to learn videos and try tackling them 1-2 hours at a time. Then once you're done with that, then you'll find it much easier to jump into tutorials related to programming for games.

There's a reason why colleges spend the first year of a game development degree teaching you basic programming concepts and usually in only one or two languages.

>>16607798

Java and Javascript are what I started with and having learned other languages since then, I can attest to them being some of the more beginner friendly languages.

>>16607798

It teaches programming, not Scheme.

>>16607821

It teaches functional programming.

>>16607798

Seconding the Javascript. Just the way variables are handled (if it talks like a duck…) help newbies a lot since there's a lot of crap you won't have to deal with and with very little practice you can get to a point where javascript reads like a regular text book in english.

Once you're comfortable with it, changing to something like C# gives you more control and tools to work with while still being laid back and easy enough to use. There's probably other options here but you'll hardly need anything better than this.

>>16607829

The iterative parts might as well be imperative and the entire third chapter deals with global state. Don't just repeat what you heard elsewhere.

>>16607830

In my experience the quirks of Javascript confuse beginners more than anything else, but C# is not a bad choice. It has a few game frameworks and the advantage that it's well supported on Windows.

>>16607726

Nothing wrong with video courses, you just need to apply what you've learned into personal projects. Don't copy, just figure out how to do it in a different way.

>>16607866

>In my experience the quirks of Javascript confuse beginners more than anything else

What experience? Are you a teacher?

I recommended JS based on personal experience. I'm not a very patient person but the simplicity and ease of use of Javascript made it very easy to get into and make simple game-like things with. The "quirks" that you need to learn out of are significantly easier to leave behind than it would be to learn a more complicated compiled language from the start, especially if you're not sure if programming is for you.

>>16607930

>What experience? Are you a teacher?

Something similar.

>>16607930

I wouldn't recommend JS purely because it's not strong typed. When you're learning programming, it's essential that you have a proper idea of what you're working with at what times, and JS' "every number is a float" and ability to add strings to numbers and shit ruins that.

Simplicity and ease of use are good for when you know what you're doing, not when you're learning how to do things. That just makes the experience more painful when you do have to try the harder stuff, makes you think "ugh, why do I have to do this shit I want to go back to [easy thing]"

t. someone who couldn't program anything but GML for years until he learned C++ because he had to.

>>16607726

Find any tutorial that is basically cloning a classic game like Pong or Breakout in a language like C#, Python, Lua or similar. Everytime you encounter something which isn't fully explained/you don't understand you google it and read up then you move on with the tutorial. This should in theory help you not get bogged down with irrelevant shit (at your level) that people who just pick up a book gets stuck on.

>>16608014

There is exactly one (1) thing I like about weakly-typed languages: the ability to use an if statement on any object; anything that isn't null or 0 will return true. It's a wonderful shorthand for checking null

>>16608014

I moved from JS straight to C and didn't have any trouble learning the difference. Then again C is extremely clear about what it's doing so maybe it's an exception.

>Simplicity and ease of use are good for when you know what you're doing, not when you're learning how to do things

I think that's backwards. When you're first learning, the most important thing is to get a foothold in what you're learning and then start expanding from that. And the more things you add into the equation, the harder it is to get started and the easier it is to get discouraged and give up. When you know what you're doing, you want the ability to do precisely what you want and not have some simplified system obfuscate it away from you.

>makes you think "ugh, why do I have to do this shit I want to go back to [easy thing]"

I do agree with this though.

>>16608080

The counterargument is that if JS lets you do things one way, and you start doing it that way, and literally everything else does it another way, you'll get confused and not know why

>>16608101

Well chances are you are a fucking moron then who probably shouldn't be programming anyway.

>>16607798

>>16607793

>>16607805

>>16607830

>>16607897

>>16608018

Thanks for all the feedback and suggestions.

Has anyone played with the idea of porting in part or whole some of the open-source role playing rules into a video game? Stuff like OpenD6 or Fate or any OGL game , I've been having this idea for a month but I'm not sure if it is a too daunting of a task to do even in the most primitive form.

>>16607134

>The window title is misaligned

I was thinking of removing it instead, what would be better?

>The placeholder text in the fields has very poor contrast and clashes color temperature

Same thing i feel like removing it, i think it is pretty intuitive even without it

>Corner rounding is inconsistent between everything

The only non round is the background of the inventory frame

>You're mixing serif and sans-serif in what looks non-intentional.

I will unify all fonts later

>The window chrome itself is muddy and depressing compared to the bright, fresh ingredients

I tried brighter colors, but then saturation is a problem, I am not good at choosing colors

>and I'm still bitter that you didn't even respond to the tool-tip feedback I gave.

wait, where? Sorry if i missed it

How do I git gud at modeling, preferably with blender?

Programming has been very easy to learn but I can't make any more progress since I don't have any assets to make a game with.

>>16610072

also I'm still at the early point where I could make my whole game in 2d instead of 3d if that would somehow be easier, but I feel like that would be even more of a pain in the butt

>>16610072

>>16610081

Just like practice. But honestly the complexity of making a 3D game, especially if you're doing a lot of animations, is significantly higher compared to a 2D game so if you're on the fence it might be worth reconsidering.

>>16609227

>role playing rules into a video game?

every time I read about it I always want to make a chargen/combat simulator for FATAL. the system is so autistic it should be perfect for it. also boardgames in general. tabletop simulator is nice, but when I play digitally might as well do it properly.

>too daunting of a task to do even in the most primitive form.

core gameplay logic should be pretty easy to do. I'm more wondering how to implement board interaction. either via code or some visual workaround (set a cell as holding a player/mob and target the cell or check if the camera can see it being used).

So… can I ask questions related to RPG Maker MV? Can you set up alternative attacks without plugins? or at least alter the skill ready animation of a type of attack instead of all having the magic skill ready animation?

>>16608314

>Not sure how to poll the neighbor cells without resorting to bounds checking constantly

Manually set up for loops to check the edges (no bounds checks needed because you know the bounds of the edge or corner you're working on), then use a standard double for loop on the center cells without any bounds checking.

An alternative is to expand the array by one cell on every of the four sides when loading it, with a special cell value for Out of Bounds, and only iterate over the center ones. Less code, at a cost of some extra memory usage, and the compiler might optimize it better.

>Not sure how to search my list of rules to prune out only a handful of possible values, without bruteforcing it multiple times every cell

Not 100% sure what you mean, but if you mean what I think you mean you can (probably) turn all neighbors and the current cell into a single number, then use a massive lookup table to see what the result would be. For reference, by turning cells into a single numer I mean you have the cells

>3 0 1

>0 2 1

>1 1 4

And turn it into

>301021114

Or preferably keep it as small as possible with 3 bits per numer turning that into

>0b011000001000010001001001100

Downsides are obvious: a large lookup table is required (I only used this technique once with only 1 bit per cell), and every lookup is likely to be a cache miss, but you'll just have to test if it's faster than brute forcing or not. Generating the number to look up is as easy as NANDing and bitshifting 9 numbers, that should be really fast.

These are both things I once used in an A* implementation for a project that got cancelled early, so I never got to test it extensively. And originally being thought up for the needs of that particular A* implementation they're likely to apply less to your problem (especially the second idea), but I thought I'd tell you about them anyway.

>>16610713

And nevermind the binary thing and bitshifting, for non-boolean cells it's probably better to do it with multiplication by factors of 10. That only worked well in my A* thing because it was always 8 bools, so it fit in an 8 bit number and could be SIMD'd. You need to use the center cell as well, so it doesn't scale nearly as well with the bitshifting.

Do you guys get burn out?

I've been starting to work in one game myself and only creating the assets are taking me forever. And I didn't even finish up the protagonist's sprites.

I'm just feeling stressed because I had to redo some work for a few times and now I find other mistakes I can't fix by editing and just feel discouraged. It's my first game and I shouldn't even care, but I want it to at least have some care. How do you get your morale up while working in a project where you are the only one working on it?

Anyone know anything about GBA development? Couldn't find anything on the wiki (only original GB/GBC) and cursory research brings up fairly old resources. If anyone knows a good place to start, or good tools to use, it'd save me a lot of time. I haven't done console dev before but I'm experienced in C and ASM so I'm not too scared of the challenge (read: very scared)

>>16611470

Yes. The key is to keep the scope small enough to push through before you get burnt out. A first game should be a pong/asteroids/tetris clone, not a full thing. Don't be afraid to put it to the side and work on something simpler, get some experience.

>>16611470

>I'm just feeling stressed because I had to redo some work

Get used

>>16611508

>>16611485

The thing is that it's just some shitty RPG Maker game, but the little template sheets I found for the assets I'm working on, just because at least I should work in the sprites if I'm going to be lazy enouth to do an RPG Maker game, And just drawing is taking me hours.

>>16611485

https://www.gbadev.org/tools.php

https://www.gbadev.org/docs.php

https://web.archive.org/web/20130817033211/http://www.drunkencoders.com/tutorials/GBA/Table%20of%20Contents.html

Why would old resources matter when your target platform isold? I highly doubt there's active tool development going on for the GBA.

>>16611517

>And just drawing is taking me hours

You will get faster as you get better at it

The problem is your expectations that "It's just a RPG Maker game" are totally wrong. There is no "It's just". Everything worth doing takes a lot of effort to do, no matter how "simple" it looks to be.

>>16611518

>target platform is so old

But computers and emulators are new. There's always new tools to things, and sometimes the newest thing is the worst, or a newer thing is better. I was asking here before doing research to see if anyone experienced knows where I should look first. I'd rather not waste a day trying out 12 different things only to find they don't work or aren't what I want. If you want me to do the research myself, just say that instead of posting 3 barely useful links I already found on my first web query.

>>16611530

I guess so. I just lowered my goal from a 100 or so characters RPG with each having personal skills and stories with night and day cycles with just a multiending lovecraftian RPG travelling through dimensions on the dream world.

Still, just drawing one character is much harder than I thought.

>>16611552

Fuck, I've even been thinking about doing alternative clothes, but after finishing one I just thinkg "FUCK THAT!".

>>16611560

I guess so. I'm ust pushing through it just not to add this game to the pile of abandoned projects which I'm just waiting to have some actual skill to translate into their respective mediums.

>>16611704

Fuck, I got an eunerism. I meant that I wanted to do something big and then I decided to do something easier (in theory).

Something involving the same town, the same characters and different dungeons accessed from the same spot. Maybe get some multiple ending by playing with variables and Javascript.

Also RPG Maker has almost all relevant plugins included in some hidden DLC.

>>16611626

>I guess so. I just lowered my goal from a 100 or so characters RPG with each having personal skills and stories with night and day cycles with just a multiending lovecraftian RPG travelling through dimensions on the dream world.

<Just a small RPG Maker game

>>16611734

I just got too ambitious at first, but decided to do something humble and still is hard as fuck.

>>16609233

Audio and new map test, getting an idea for how to plan the radar. Still working on radar functionality, need some more time on that. For demo day, I want to have it so if they camera sees you, you explode with a firey explosion sprite.

>>16611750

RPG Maker isn't exactly recommended for large projects. The simple way of using it hides the fact that the work builds up in volume as compensation. It doesn't do a good job teaching you how to code much either. Animation viewer is pretty good though, lots of practice with it gives you practical experience I find.

>>16611864

>>16611734

I remember all those RPG Maker projects i started and dropped, I am glad i finally got something i can keep creating without burning out

>>16612100

Looks functional but ugly.

>>16612100 (checked)

It looks okay, but I would change a few things. First off, I would make the borders of the inventory bigger, to give off a less clinical feel, which is what you have going on at the moment. This includes changing your minimize and close icons to something more stylized. Secondly, I would change the font of your inventory around to something less basic, and resize parts of it as well - on a similar note, the white lettering is difficult to read and strains the eyes. I would recommend making the window bar at the top less transparent, or just totally opaque. An obvious change is better icons, but you're probably using placeholders there so I won't judge that. And lastly, change those popups. Way too much information popping out all at once. I would make two states - your basic pop-up, with a name and some very basic info, and then an advanced one that appears when you press shift or hover for several seconds or whatever. Likely, just keeping that top little bit of info you have (the name and freshness) will do.

Overall, I'd call it workable but I wouldn't write home about it either. At the very least, the functionality, with the search tabs and sorting, is something that doesn't need an immediate rework and should hold up well. Unless you're planning on gamepad support, in which case. Well, I think you can tell.

>>16610713

>Factors of 10

Or you know, it'd be representing each number as a flag, which means I'm still limited, eg an Int32 would only allow for 32 possible values. Which works for simple objects, but what if I'm trying to work with Color values?

>>16612100

Sort them out instead of adding filters and drop down lists. Even if its bigger, if it is broken up into pre-set categories then the user will have an easier time sifting through it.

>>16611601

I've never done GBA dev before, just fucked around with GB, NES, and Genesis. That being said, you're dealing with an ARM processor. That means RISC. If you have any previous experience in CISC ASM, it's gonna be only halfway useful, since you need to manually do some stuff you used to use a single opcode for. Thankfully the GBA processor is fast enough that you can do C/C++ without slowing to a crawl. Unless you plan on trying to push the console to the absolute limits, just use C/C++.

In all fairness to that anon, what tools may work well for one dev might be a nightmare for another. I prefer using ASM with a generic 68000 compiler on the Genesis, but I wouldn't recommend it to another person looking to get started on the console. Likewise, I wouldn't be able to deal with the abstraction of C/C++ on the Genesis, it would drive me crazy. Barring there being only one tool(PSX dev) or one source of information(actual official design documentation), you really do need to do your own research for tools and guides. If a place like gbadev has it listed under documentation, then it probably has some worthwhile info inside of it. It's never a guarantee you'll get all the info you need without some serious digging either. It was a pain in the ass to actually find info on every Genesis VDP register, many places had incomplete info.

Shmup anon here.

I think I did most of the dynamic animation code, and test code to move a turret.

Except there's something fucky somewhere and the shader just show me 1 frame before making models disappear.

orz

So currently at that point, hopefully it'll work soon and I "should" be good to make levels and boss. (beside missing sound effects and music, and visual effects…)

>>16612839

>Whyyyyy?

Don't be a fucking gay.

You were trying to make it functional right?

how to start programming

>>16613186

just like

>>16613186

Search C for absolute beginners

>>16613186

Either you start when you were 12 or give up hope of ever making it.

>>16612839

>Whyyyy?

Alright so here goes

<function

>searches should apply as you type (looks like you have to press enter or something)

>popup covers the inventory so you can't see what you would want to look at next

>can't pin a popup so you can compare to different items

<looks

>window is too transparent

>colors are unappealing to look at

>need more margins for inventory text and top right buttons

>left margin is bigger than right margin

>font sizes are off, inventory is (at least perceived) as smaller than the text on icons

>font is boring and overall too small

>text placement in icons feels off, try the lower corners instead

I think that's it for now.

>>16607726

>watch a coding tutorial

>do this because i say so, i'm not going to explain what this does

>have no idea why i'm doing things

>no logic behind what i just did

>don't understand a thing

>give up

I wish I could have done programming in high school

>>16613558

>thinking academia can teach you good programming

oh boy

>>16613561

They could have taught me at least programming, I read a book, I do some code, I look at someone else's code or decide to write something for myself, I get lost. nothing makes sense to me, well basic ideas do, looking at someone else's code is the worse

I wanted to modify Yamagi Quake to make a game of my own out of it, really just interested in implementing a class system, a player progression system, the menus to use these and a few other things like forcing players to gather at an exit point to move onto the next level, couldn't really figure things out, even after reading a book on C that was actually quite well written, I can really only do simple tasks, it doesn't make sense to me, and other peoples code just confuses me even more.

Just going to stick to art, that's something I can do definitely.

>>16613576

>really just interested in implementing a class system, a player progression system, the menus to use these and a few other things like forcing players to gather at an exit point to move onto the next level

>I've never held a pencil but I saw the Mona Lisa once so I'm going to replicate that

What did you expect? I did 5 years of CS specialized on game making at uni. Our first projects where in order:

>whack a mole

>svälta räv (swedish card game, very simple)

>breakout

>sidescroller

>zuma clone

That's about 3 months to do all that simple shit and that's just getting the basic gamelogic and rendering done. It took 3 years to be able to write a networked 3D game engine from scratch and make a game with it and even then that iteration was complete trash. It took probably 3-4 game engine iterations to be able to produce something that was actually decent or useable. All university did was provide a direction and free time, most had to be taught on the side.

>>16613092

I have a friend who plays drums and is excellent at writing music, who has offered to make my music for my game. Can I get some opinions on this song in particular? I would like something close to this and MGS1's soundtrack.

>>16613600

Takes a while to get there, but it's pretty cool so it might suit a slower-paced game with some tense moments.

>>16613576

>>16613558

https://htdp.org/

and before someone spergs about functional programming, it's the ideas that you learn that matter.

>>16613146

I want to make it the best it can be… without taking too long because we have other stuff to be made

>>16613432

Thanks, notes taken

>>16613186

Install Unity Soylent™, the universal engine replacement. Like its namesake, it is so useful that you will never need anything else and if it isn't working for you, it's your own fault for not chugging it harder.

>>16614049

>Used to

Most likely it's some lingering state from some other code that you were too lazy to write cleanup for.

Why don't you attach an OpenGL debugger and verify that all of the calls you're doing are the right ones?

>>16614058

Going through it, I found that if I remove glBlendFunc, it draws it but in black instead of the color I have set, red. It just got erased by the blend function since it's all black. Considering I set the color right before drawing the triangle, I wonder why that's the case.

>>16614260

Is he 'strayan/kiwi?

>>16614260

>>16614281

He should. I did. I don't trust the Australian government any more. I just want to read and shit post about videogames and now they're treating me like a criminal. "Oh, it's just a temporary block until the video isn't being shared", and now months later, still blocked.

>>16613590

>>16613842

Thanks I kind of wish I had this advice in the first place, I'm just going to focus on art until I finish what I'm doing, then spend money on hiring someone to code for me, and then get mad at wasting my money on that.

>>16614260

I live in the country where that happened and I can post here.

>>16614049

>>16614124

What version of OpenGL are you writing for? It sounds like fixed-function (1.0) as it doesn't sound like you are using shaders.

Managing GL state is a bitch. Use a GL debugger such as XLcode. verify the state is what you think it should be when you start drawing triangles. You might have an empty texture bound to the state but are not giving texture coordinates with your vertex coordinates.

>>16614540

.webms is borked

>>16614809

Aiming for as low as possible, yes. From hardware tests, it runs on at least 1.2, maybe earlier, though the texture functions I have implemented are from 1.1, I believe.

Either way, I did eventually figure out the issue. It was just a matter of disabling GL_TEXTURE_D before drawing colored polygons, but there was a mess of bullshit that I had to clear through that was conflicting with each other that I hadn't run into issues with until now. That's what I get for trying to MacGyver functionality from dozens of sources without fully understanding what I'm doing.

the best part is that this was an issue I ran into while trying to figure out a subset of a subset of a subset of what I'm trying to implement. I was initially working on loading in and rendering .obj files.

>>16614836

Looks significantly better anon.

just lost countless hours of work because I imported a package that overwrote several very important scripts

serves me right for not making backups but holy shit thats infuriating

>>16614286

8chan was blocked for me for about a week after the christchurch shooting, I guess its just a matter of how cucked your isp is. That or I'm now on a list.

>>16614836

lookin good, though if you're still taking criticism, the font of the item count clashes with the rest of the style

>>16615464

>making backups

Use git or some sort of version control please. It's more than just backups, it helps to see a diff of files from the last time it was working.

>>16615464

>start coding at all

>without a version control system

That is really stupid. Stop whatever you are doing and use git or something.

>>16615803

If you want to model something resembling a human, learn anatomy and topology and sculpting. Read the shinobro tips on his thread on /agdg/ and the threads on /3d/.halfchan's /3/ will give you some directions, too.

>>16615803

Practice makes perfect.

>>16616516

You don't make any sense.

>>16616930

If I remember correctly, you would normally add extra polygons around areas that would be most affected by rotation and movement. So, elbows, knees, around the mouth and eyes, etc.

>>16615133

Yeah, that's OpenGL for you. I had much the same experience learning it. It does get better. Try using the push and pop functions for GL state, so you can restore to whatever GL state was at after drawing things like UI, text, etc.

Also some state changes take significant time. You can use XLcode to figure out which these are and avoid changing them per-frame if you can.

>>16615464

But the numbers even use the same font as the other text instances

>>16615803

>>16616516

1. Sculpt your model

2. Retopo

3. Fix all issues with your model (n-gons, double verts, non-manifold edges, etc) before you create UVs.

4. Smooth your low poly model

5. Create UVs

6. Duplicate the low poly model and subdivide it to match the poly count of the sculpt, label it "high poly".

7. Project details from your sculpt onto your highpoly

8. Bake normals from your highpoly onto your lowpoly

9. Texture

10. Rig

11. Weight paint

Create basemeshes like hands or feet, most people won't notice and those parts are the most time consuming to do.

>>16618116

Looks nice but consider using less polygons

>>16618145

I'm using subsurf. Is that a bad idea when making organic models? I wanted to give it a try after only making hard surface models for so long.

>>16618165

No. Using subsurf is a great idea when making organic models, especially because topology problems are made even more apparent when you apply subsurf. Unless you're targeting older systems or trying low poly modeling as an exercise you don't need to worry too much about polygons. What you want to avoid is wasted detail. If you have a 20k polygon model, but a 15k model looks and deforms basically the same, then something is wrong with that 20k model.

How many polygons is this guy?

>>16618199

It's definitely not finished. I haven't baked and turned the thing low-poly yet but as of right now this thing is around 18k faces and 36k tris if you count the high poly mask. Without it it's only 8k faces and 17k tris. When people ask for polycount which of those two do they refer to anyway?

In any case my plan is to continue making the rougher shapes and details and then sculpting finer details onto the clothes.