/v/ - Video Games

You should save until you can check these digits.

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

Bargain bin shop for year old and open box prebuilt. Cost ratio has mostly plateaued between prebuilt and building your own. Prepare for some gaudy fucking cases on prebuilts though.

Also, does anyone know if dual booting is still recommended, or did Wine get good enough to make it obsolete?

>>16540683

Wine is still so-so if you have a large library of Windows-dependent programs (that include games too). My Lenovo laptop has a linux distros and while I do appreciate certain features, it wont certainly replace Win7 inside my desktop build.

Also I wholly disagree that building a PC is "extremely easy" unlike what the other anon, and anyone else for that matter, makes it out to be. It's not an overly difficult task but it's not simple either, specifically if you're just starting. It requires doing your research on parts either be the CPU, GPU, motherboard, PSU and case to make the best out of your budget and what you truly plan with your build. Want lot of storage to hoard shitload of animu? Invest in a motherboard with lot of SATA ports. Dont be a cheap bastard on parts (especially not with the PSU, that's a recipe of disaster to fry all the other components) but dont go crazy either (no point in getting the recent high-end graphics cards as they mostly cater for the +4k meme, a GTX 1050Ti is decent enough for instance and which doesnt need extra power cables)

>above average PC

What for? new games run like ass even on higher end systems old games already run really good on low tier PCs and sourcegames will lag like hell no matter what PC you have.

I would tell you the secret but if I told you all these fags would start taking advantage of it. All I'll say is that you shouldn't need that much, you can actually make all your dreams come true for around half to a third of that. Of course splurging on the graphics card might help your system stay relevant longer, but even budget cards can still get 720 or 1080p steady 50-60 fps on taxing games from this year if you just turn one or two settings down.

>>16540766

>having the settings on max for every game

Why do people do this?

I got a refurbished pc for 250 shekels and it can run pretty much anything on mid-high settings, but for 600 you could probably build a much better rig than you would get if you bought pre-built. Honestly though even a mid range graphics card and cpu can run most games at 50-60 fps as long as you don't care about max graphics settings.

>>16540787

To justify their hardware purchases.

>>16540787

Because Chromatic aberration, max motion blur, and film grain post fx is "what the developer intended"

Go AMD.

>least value

pre-built PCs from Newegg. They're reasonable but there is no reason to do this unless you have Parkinson's or something and don't want to deal with tiny parts.

>good value

Buying your parts piecemeal and constructing them yourself. Assuming you did your research right, you should have a PC that is close to ideal for your needs and budget. Use tools like Tom's Hardware to guage benchmarks relative to other parts.

>best value

Buy or takeaway used and free computers being thrown out by businesses. This requires the most technical skill because you will frequently have to deal with nonstandard motherboards and other such fun things, but usually that just means you're stuck with an ugly case because there aren't any good ones made for that motherboards form factor. On the plus side, you will get hardware at bargain bin rates.

>>16540809

>Chromatic abberation

My unyielding rage for this phenomenon can never be quenched. I was flabbergasted the first time I booted up Bloodborne and saw that shit. I didn't know they had floating cameras in fantasy Victorian London! What better way to shatter all suspension of disbelief and immersion than to let you know that the "camera" is a literal fucking camera magically following your character? Thankfully they put in an option to turn it off, but my God, if there is a group of people that really exist who think "My ideal video game looks exactly like a movie" they need to be herded off a cliff.

>>16541044

You ignored the best value: buying a $200 optiplex on ebay from that guy who actually has an office to source them from

>>16540809

>Chromatic aberration

>motion blur

>film grain

You forgot to add depth of field blur when aiming down sights to that list of cancer.

>>16541079

Oh shit, any more threads like this? My morbid curiosity craves such examples. I remember the guy who sawed off part of his graphics card.

What exactly counts as lower-end gaming nowadays? Does it mean I can't get all the bells an whistles(really I don't care as long as it's 60fps) or will some games outright refuse to run?

>>16541228

Considering graphics requirements have stagnated for the past 10 years, I'd say "lower-end gaming" requires poverty or a total lack of availability. The worst thing you have to worry about is hard disk space.

spend $2 to join the gamer's nexus patreon/discord and ask there.

also the logicalincrements thing and pcpartpicker.

>>16541254

I haven't used ATI/AMD GPUs in a while (I didn't actually choose nVidia cards, one came off a second hand PC purchase and the upgrade was a Christmas present from a close friend) so I'm not that familiar with how your card performs. You should be able to run those games at a good framerate with something like a GeForce 980 equivalent which will run you $150 or so used and without even having to resort to minimum settings.

>>16541254

>>16541273

Value upgrades I'd recommend would be RAM; not only do you have too little, but it is also slow (DDR2). You should also really get an SSD, even a small one, and run the latest games and your OS off of it. Your boot and load times will dramatically decrease.

What you'd be looking for is a R5-2600 and RX 580 8GB, 2x8 2666/3000 RAM, 1 TB HDD, 500 W PSU, cheap case.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tN3BMZ decent starting point, shave where you can. Buy used where you can. Should be a flood of used CPU since Zen2 is coming as well as used mining GPUs since mining crashed.

>>16540665

Imagine being this much of a niggerspic that you don't know how to do research or into computers at all.

>>16541254

>DDR2

Damn, dude. Get some cheap DDR3 if you're a poor fag. Hell, if you wait for a little while, when DDR5 is made available, get some DDR4 when the prices have fallen.

>>16541312

>computer from a decade ago

<damn dude buy something new XD

>>16541312

upgrades don't work that way. DDR3 will not run in a DDR2 system.

>>16541254

I think you should go for a new Motherboard + CPU first since the mobo prevents getting more/better RAM and the CPU is likely to bottleneck any decent graphics card.

>>16541398

The whole thing's going out the door. Pretty much the only things remaining are my monitor, which really isn't that bad, and the hard drive, which is ~2 years old since the last one failed.

>>16541437

See if you can salvage case and PSU.

>>16541448

Powersupply, sure. The case, I'm going to scrap and use the metal for whatever. The fucking thing is tiny, loud, has terrible airflow and I hate it.

It's so fucking loud it literally comes with a CPU cooler supressor for the noise, otherwise I can hear it 10 meters away.

>>16541454

Can you post a picture of your case with your penis in it?

>>16540665

You're not going to be getting an "above-average" PC for six-hundred American dollar menu coupons but you can get something that does well enough for modern titles.

PCPartPicker is a pretty good resource for builds. They've got a build guide for a "modest AMD build" for $655. It'll be good for most games but you won't be running the newer stuff at high settings.

If it's feasible for you I'd recommend saving up to $1k and going with their "Excellent AMD Gaming/Streaming" build instead, as it would be significantly more future-proofed. You could drop the liquid cooler from it as the Ryzen 2600x comes with a cooler and you don't really need liquid if you're doing crazy overclocking.

>>16541459

>>16541322

>being a poorfag

>>16540665

Whatever you do, make sure you buy Intel and NVidia, don't be fooled by the communist tricks of AMD. Also prioritize a good CPU over a GPU, today's games are designed for high temperatures so a GPU is pointless. Buy the smallest HDD you find and save money for an expensive Bluray drive, the faster your bluray drive the faster your games will load and you don't need much hdd space anyway. Other than the CPU, the second most important component of a gaming PC is an expensive sound card, so make sure you get that.

>>16541745

THIS

>>16541745

http://archive.is/1i8D8

I know you're baiting, but I just wanted to draw attention to this because I'm still salty I couldn't make my gaming VM work. nVidia puts DRM in their GeForce cards in the form of a fake driver error because they don't want business customers to buy GeForce cards to power their VMs. They have made it steadily more aggressive over the years as well. lf you read a post from 4 years ago, all you had to do was change the vendor ID in the libvirt config and maybe set kvm to hidden mode, which was equally as trivial. A couple of months ago when I tried to get this to work, it was simply impossible. I even flashed my cards vBIOS and got the VM to recognize my card that way, but still got "error 43." Fuck you nVidia.

>>16540787

Because they can and want their game to look as good as possible? I do agree however, that most post processing looks like absolute ass.

>>16541771

>flashed

Meant dumped, bit of a Freudian slip there.

>How to build a decent desktop?

non-exhaustive list.

>CPU

<for current games, you can get away with a lower-end (currently i3 9300, Ryzen 2200G) CPU, but a middle-end CPU (currently i5 9500~9600, Ryzen 2600~2700) will last the longest (people are still happily using i5 3570 today)

<for newer gen emulators, you may want a higher-end CPU because of their better single-thread performance (currently around i7 9700~9700k, Ryzen 7 2700~2700x). consider overclocking

<threadripper and i9 are wastes of money (too expensive for marginal improvements, vidya is GPU-bound today)

>GPU

<spend good money on GPU, it's the most important

<check whether there's a new gen around the corner and whether current gen is shitty rebrands or has actual improvements. today's current gen (GTX 2000 series, Radeon 500 series Vega 6/64) SUCKS (overpriced and/or few improvements)

<research INVIDIVUAL CARDS from an OEM, not just the model. several cards have been duds (see EVGA GTX 1070 FTW and EVGA GTX 1080 FTW catching fire, GeForce RTX 2080/2080Ti cards from several manufacturers malfunctioning, and GTX 970 cards having 3.5GB actual VRAM)

<compare reference (vanilla specs, blower fan) vs custom models (little more expensive, normal fans, generally better cooling, higher clocks)

<for old non-demanding games, avoid current low-end GPUs unless you need a strong CPU without iGPU anyway

<mid-high-end is the price/value sweetspot (GeForce GTX 1060~GTX 1070 equivalent of a gen)

<crossfire/SLI is garbage (poor compatibility, micro-stutters, etc.), don't fall for the meme. get a high-end GPU instead

<AAA garbage in ultra devours VRAM (currently 8GB~10GB VRAM peak use for the ultra textures meme)

<if you're considering high-end GPUs for the 4k meme be aware they can't do AAA garbage in ultra at 4k 60fps. 1440p@60Hz is fine though

>PSU

<a shitty PSU can kill individual parts or your entire system, and even cause a housefire. do NOT get cheap chink shit. however, do not overspend either. muh 80-plus titanium 1000W w/10-year-warranty won't make your PC faster

<brand name is just a sticker. the OEM (actual manufacturer) and the 'platform' (model) are good clues however, as good OEMs don't tend to put out shitty PSUs

<brand is NOT everything. even reputable brands offer shitty PSUs

<crappy chink PSUs may lie about specs (listing peak power instead of continuous power, if not outright made-up numbers)

<read reviews that show relevant stuff (stability at different load levels, voltage staying within spec, component quality, fan bearing (avoid sleeve), noise levels, etc.). reminder review models and shills are a thing though

<calculate your system's power use and leave a small margin. PSUs lose a bit of capacity as they age

<make sure it has all cables you need (e.g. pci-e). cable length is also important; you can't use a PSU with short cables

>mobo

<too many specs to list. SOME relevant specs: SOCKET (cpus supported), CHIPSET (pci-e lanes, supported memory clocks), form factor, audio codec (try to get a non-shit one), ports, expansion slots

<make sure it suits your needs (HDD ports, slots, I/O ports, headers, etc.)

<shitty mobos have shitty components (shitty VRMs, shitty capacitors, shitty MOSFETs, worse heatsinks) which affects longevity and likely won't take well to overclocking (if you're into that). be wary of bottom of the barrel stuff

>RAM

<any will do. faster clock and lower latency rate yield marginal gains. as always, avoid the shittiest chink shit and overpriced RGB gaymer garbage

>HDD/SSD

<not an expert on HDDs. pricier hard drives tend to last longer, be a bit faster, and have longer warranties than entry-level ones

<not essential, but SSD are nice to have. pick appropriate port (pci-e, sata, m.2), and type (AHCI (used by SATA), NVMe (newer, faster))

<read up on NAND types.

<while SSDs take longer to wear out than HDDs, they may still die prematurely from the controller dying

OP here

the graphic cards and other parts are expensive as fuck in my local city.

looks like my only choice is to order online

>>16540665

with your hands

>>16542213

><spend good money on GPU, it's the most important

Wrong, most games nowadays and from a few years ago are very CPU bound.

>>16540682

>only 2 monitors

Real bad asses use 3

>>16542294

The new 1080 and 2000 series cards are only useful if you are playing VR games or doing VR things

>>16542250

>OP here

I wish you were here >>>/4um/ instead.

>>16542213

>for newer gen emulators, you may want a higher-end CPU because of their better single-thread performance (currently around i7 9700~9700k, Ryzen 7 2700~2700x). consider overclocking

If by newer gen you mean RPCS3/Xenia, then I'd argue that unless you really want to emulate them or if you just play something like Arma (which requires good single-thread performance) a lot, it's better to stick to middle-end, nowadays even lower-ends chew through PCSX2/Dolphin.

>HDD/SSD

HGST's are best, Toshiba/WD are fine, Seagate is garbage.

>>16543838

>Seagate is garbage.

Unless you pay extra for EXOS/Skyhawk drives

>>16543997

I've had Seagates for years, they're so hit or miss I won't risk another one. One lived for 7 years, while two lived for a year each and another one died in days. Switched to Toshiba and never looked back.

>>16543984

Jesus fucking Christ delete this.

I don't know why people are even talking about HDDs in this thread. SSDs have considerably come down in price to the point the price to performance ratio is better for an SSD than a HDD. Typically you can get an okay 1 TB SSD for between $100 and $150 and that gives you much better read speeds than any 7200 RPM HDD.

>>16544098

A 2TB SSD is over 300 bucks a 10 TB HDD is under 300 if you look for it, that's all you need to know.

You don't need SSD speeds for anything but games you're currently playing and the OS

At the very least having an HDD to keep an incremental backup of your SSD is pretty much mandatory.

>>16544138

99% of what makes notcua cooler is the fan, because it has really high static pressure even if it has poor airflow, rest is because of the number of heatpipe and mass of hte heatsink itself, but that's less important

You're better off getting a cheap tower heatsink that's around the 600-800gr and slap a push pull of high static pressure fans on it (Hyper 212 with DF pressure for example), less stress on the mobo, a bit cheaper, not much in term of performance degradation

>>16540682

Use AMD to avoid the (((intel me))) too, since with AMD you only have the psp, which is less invasive than the (((intel me))), and AMD even discussed on plebbit about adding an option to truly turn it off. (So far, you can "turn it off", and its networking).

>>16543997

>>16544038

If you are going with Seagate, go with the Barracudas. I have had 2 on two different computers and both lasted ~8 years and never failed or became corrupted.

>>16540683

Dual-booting is the easiest solution, but if you're like me, you'll have programs running you won't want to close and therefore won't restart unless necessary.

Wine is very program-specific, so I can't comment on that. You'll have to look up compatibility per game.

The best solution, if you're willing to get specific hardware, is VM using PCI-passthrough. You can run games in a VM with ~95% performance while keeping the host active. (There's no TL;DR for this. Just look up guides and hardware requirements.)

>>16540683

Wine is getting ridiculously good but I have problems running some programs that require .net framework

keep that dualboot around, at least until reactOS is gold

>>16544138

I've heard a lot of good things about Cryorig coolers, especially the H7 too, basically 90% as good as Noctuas but half the money.

>>16540679

Prebuilts pack dogshit PSUs that at best will ramp up your utilities bill and at worst will fry half of the components when they finally poof 2 weeks past the warranty period. I have never seen a single prebuilt packing a PSU better than 80+ white label, and we now that even gold PSUs get their ratings through cherripicking units, you can imafine then how bad prebuilt PSUs are.

Just for that, a custom build will always be better than any prebuilt for the same price point.

>>16544138

>Hard to beat Noctua in terms of price, noise level, and quality.

together? no

individually? easy

like everything a noctua is worth it if you need it, most people do fine with just a mugen or dark rock, if not lower.

>>16544129

>and the OS

not even for that really. if you have enough ram most shit stays there and unless you open a lot of different programs in a short time regularly you don't really need to load shit from the harddrive fast, 10s faster load time is hardly worth the price, especially how shit windows (you can't even move your user folder windows constantly writes in properly without it shitting itself).

if you gayme might as well save that space for another game where faster loading with actually make a difference.

>>16544098

Most people should have at least 1 SSD and 1 HDD, get a decently sized SSD for the OS and most Gaymes (256 GB or more) and a big (2 TB or more) HDD for storage, music, movies, game installers and so on, basically both have their uses, when SSDs become as cheap as HDDs then you'd have a point, HDDs are still very useful unless you stream everything, in which case, go fuck yourself.

>>16544994

>Don't spend $110 on a new windows 10 licenses.

you can get a win10 pro key for a few bucks off ebay, a win7/8 key you can upgrade prolly even cheaper.

>If you really don't have any idea what to get then take a look at pc part picker and look at the build guides and then take a look at the completed builds for an idea of what to get.

or ask in /tech/, they even have a sticky for that

>>16545002

>or ask in /tech/, they even have a sticky for that

I thought tech was dead

>>16543321

>amd

lol

>>16545002

you can easily pirate wangblows, or even just get lelnux

>>16545012

stickies are somewhat alive

>>16545031

>easily pirate wangblows

not everybody wants to deal with some iso uploaded by xXxCr4zY1v4nxXx or knows how to use an activator.

>or even just get lelnux

best option but even less accessible. a key for less than a happy meal is usually best option for most.

>>16544415

>>16540683

I tried dual booting, I found it to be insufferable. Even with an SSD and ~30 second boot times, the inconvenience of having to close all your programs and partition out a Windows partition is too great for me. But I also prefer the user experience of Linux so whatever.

>>16543984

That's a special kind of retarded there…

Not even my great grandfather would be dumb enough to do something like that.

>>16545013

t. (((intel shill)))

>>16541139

That kid's parents must be loaded.

>he didn't buy green ceiling lights

He only had one job.

>>16543984

Kek this is old but gold.

>>16545206

tbh you can probably just find a decomissioned dell from a company/government office for cheaper. and it'll probably be an early gen i7.

>>16541044

>and immersion than to let you know that the "camera" is a literal fucking camera magically following your character?

Actually real cameras have not detectable chromatic aberrations

>>16541253

>gamer's nexus

Followed those guys on youtube in 2015 and 16, when they barely got above one thousand viewers per video. Nice to hear that they're still at it.

>>16545408

You can go to craigslist and find people giving away free computation machines

>>16546077

I live in northern Europe, BTW.

>>16540665

Save a bit more, buy used, or wait for sales.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hYDyGG

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($145.78 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: MSI - B450M GAMING PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)

Memory: Team - Dark 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($66.85 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR MK2 OC Video Card ($159.99 @ Newegg)

Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox NR400 (w/ODD) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($56.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Power Supply: Corsair - Vengeance 650 W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($59.98 @ Newegg)

Monitor: LG - 24MP59G-P 23.8" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor ($136.99 @ Amazon)

Total: $781.56

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-06 16:49 EDT-0400

>>16546847

>Memory: Team - Dark 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)

Why do people insist on saving 5-10 bucks on RAM in ryzen builds when CJR exists and is vastly superior to whatever shit chips you usually get on 3000 DDR4?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wDQG3C/gskill-sniper-x-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c19d-16gsxkb

>>16544806

>not even for that really. if you have enough ram most shit stays there and unless you open a lot of different programs in a short time regularly

This isn't true at all, the OS makes quite a couple of small calls to drives and having an SSD will make a giant difference there as well as any programms you have.

Switching to one is hands down the biggest improvments most people can make in their build for the least money.

>>16545013

>>16545308

>intel

>amd

>not just making your own hardware lmao

:^)

>>16546895

What's CJR?

>>16547370

The the model of the memory chips soldered on the stick

It's also called Hynix C-die.

Basically Hynix made two models before that, the AFR and the MFR, the AFR is trash and Ryzen CPUs hate those, the MFR is trash but slightly less so and Ryzen CPUs are slightly less temperamental when it comes to those, the bad thing is that by getting 300Mhz sticks you're very likely getting those, maybe bad Samsung if you're lucky

Granted new AGESA version made the problem less horrible and usually you're gonna be able to run those with a slight OC if you want

Now CJR is where the fun starts, those things are made for Ryzen CPUs, they are almost always gonna run well with those unless you have a shit IMC.

On top of that CJR clocks high and OC higher and the timings tighten well enough so it's ideal for a ryzen system, but the good shit is that they're cheap as fuck and easy to identify (aka anything 3600 CL19 is CJR, except a few crucial sticks, but those are Micron E-die or Samsung B/E-die, which is basically as good but usually not as cheap)

>>16546895

Updated

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/smKQpG

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($145.78 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: MSI - B450M GAMING PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)

Memory: G.Skill - Sniper X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($66.85 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR MK2 OC Video Card ($159.99 @ Newegg)

Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox NR400 (w/ODD) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($56.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Power Supply: Corsair - Vengeance 650 W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($59.98 @ Newegg)

Monitor: LG - 24MP59G-P 23.8" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor ($136.99 @ Amazon)

Total: $786.56

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-06 21:33 EDT-0400

>>16547526

>this is the first I hear of anything regarding differences between RAM sticks

It's pretty much always been the case, each gen had their own golden chip that always at the very least overclocked well (DDR3 was Samsung G-Die, DDR2 was Micron D9G iirc, DDR was Winbond BH-5), but this gen was particularly relevant because of several factors (shit chips being really shit, Ryzen being very RAM sensitive, OC culture becoming slightly more public and prominent)

>>16542213

>and GTX 970 cards having 3.5GB actual VRAM

It does have 4 GB. Trouble is, access to the last 0.5 GB is much slower. So when a game actually uses it, you will see some serious frame stutter. The obvious solution: turn down your settings a little, so that games will not use all that VRAM.

>>16547008

>couple of small calls

>SSD will make a giant difference

???

>Switching to one is hands down the biggest improvments most people can make in their build for the least money.

nope, ram is. SSD doesn't help you if windows is constantly swapping when your browser eats half the ram, if you have to close everything else to start a game might as well get a console.

>>16548136

Anon is referring to all the bullshit the OS does in the background reading and writing files from disk. Doing things like launching programs require they be read from disk and copied to memory before execution. If the hdd is already at 100%, which it usually is, then it will delay execution. Placing the OS and other system programs on a ssd will greatly improve performance as the CPU will no longer being waiting on io. Games can still be ran from a hdd without much impact if there is enough ram and video memory available.

>>16548136

However, there are games that stream in lots of content during the gameplay, and it isn't organized to be read sequentially. With those games, waiting on the content may cause hitching. Happens in GTA 5 when switching characters and Witcher 2 when running around the larger zones. Fallout 4 will do it frequently on the overworld.

>>16547696

Ryzen 3000 CPU are coming out very soon, buying the older generation now is dumb, they will probably decrease in price after the new generation comes out anyway, it's better to wait (tm).

>>16548419

Before anyone asks about the monitor. It looks like that because I'm connected over RDP from work.

>>16548169

> If the hdd is already at 100%, which it usually is, then it will delay execution.

only an issue during boot, when windows decides to swap like a retard (due to low ram) or you launch sth

>Games can still be ran from a hdd without much impact if there is enough ram and video memory available.

it makes more sense to put big games on a SSD due to the constant streaming of high amounts of assets and speed is even more of a necessity there.

my point was the average user doesn't constantly open and close programs (even professionals rather opt for more ram so they can keep shit running, even with a ssd), and even then it's only a big difference when you decide to launch several at the same time due to the mechanical restraints. once shit is running it hardly makes a difference, heck people didn't even notice browsers write several dozen gigabytes per day (on top of normal windows use) unless they started to check writes for SSDs. ram is cheaper than ever and with enough windows hardly bothers with the disk to begin with. plus windows is so shit that you can't even move the files off the SSD to extend it's lifespan, so might as well save the 50 gigs windows 10 requires these days for a game where the difference is way bigger.

>>16540678

/thread

>>16548136

>>16548950

You don't need to open or close programs to get enough random reads and writes for an SSD to make a difference so unless you are really hugging the minimum RAM limit an SSD will make the greatest difference to most people.

Not to mention that with an SSD also comes swap space that can help with Browsers loading half the internet into memory.

>>16549019

> enough random reads and writes for an SSD to make a difference

except it doesn't? open resource monitor now and check what's (not) happening.

>Not to mention that with an SSD also comes swap space that can help with Browsers loading half the internet into memory.

>swap

>on ssd

>even being an issue with enough ram

>buying an ssd for space

?