/v/ - Video Games

Sorry sir, the research team's been working around the clock and they tell me it's simply impossible.

To fix Undertale, you need to throw the whole thing away. It's inspired by Earthbound, which aside for a lack of faggotry and furfaggotry, is just as bad in every other aspect. In other words, Undertale's failings start before Undertale itself was even conceived. You have to first fix Earthbound to even start.

Undertale's failings are not small things. It's everything. All of it. The world, the characters, the humor, the writing as a hole, the constant meta humor and fourth wall breaks, even the gameplay being far underdeveloped for what it could have been.

>>16513291

Fixing Undertale would make the gay community fuck off. Would help if, at any implications of a character being gay (since these faggots will grab on to anything, even the most circumstantial), the developer would just say 'no, I never intended [character] to be gay. Just don't humor them. Toby Fox did.

>>16513307

I can't think of a single thing that could be salvaged. Perhaps the gameplay style, at least half of it. I mean, keep the dodging, add a similar minigame to attacking, add numerous weapon styles that would change said attacking minigames, so on. Basically, make attacking an actual focus instead of LE PLEASE DON'T KILL MY OC EVEN IF THEY TRY TO KILL YOU

And I have to say, I never liked the character designs. Maybe Spider girl. I fucking hate spiders so there's nothing fuckable but it's at least a neat enough boss design. But everyone else, I found to be forgettable trash.

Why would you "fix" it? It's pretty good for a quirky gay furfag game. If you change anything, it will be just something else entirely.

From a gameplay perspective, it needs branching/complex world design that isn't a straight corridor. It needs to be longer. It needs to have less pointless random battles and more interesting unique ones like bosses. It needs a genocide route that isn't mind numbing grindy shit. Though the combat is interesting, it needs to be much better in the aspect of attacks and moves.

>>16513329

I envision it as an alternate universe where Toby Fox is pitching his shit game and asking for advice, and the game has not come out yet. Sure, nowadays, not much could be done anymore.

Though, as far as I understand Deltarune, can't you just make up whatever bullshit you want and claim it's just as canonical as UT and DR are to each other?

>>16513251

Remove homosex, and remove so sorry. Make it a little harder too. There, done, its 10/10 GOTYAY.

>>16513336

Pretty much back in undertale on the genocide sans fight. He claims that there are multiple timelines.

So by that logic anything you make that's relates to undertale is canon even if no one likes it.

>>16513340

And dont forget removing alphys.

That bitch doesn't need to exist.

>>16513348

>>16513341

What, you don't like BAZINGA: the character?

>>16513341

>Most of the bitching about it is superficial

T. Tumblrtale homo

99% of the game is shit with the only redeemable thing being the music

>>16513251

>/v/eddit trying to fix a tumblr game

>>16513352

Might just be me, but I'm not a big fan of the music either. I'm a picky cunt when it comes to music in most cases. I like fish-dyke's song from Genocide and maybe twink-goat's boss theme, but that's about it.

>>16513357

This Gas all the tumblrtale faggots

Make it not popular

>>16513378

That's pretty much guaranteed with enough time (maybe 5-10 years)

>>16513383

Not if it succeeds as a series. Remember? Deltarune is coming out.

>>16513370

>removing JUST one part of the dyke duo

Make the annoying fish not gay, make MC a cannon boy, tone down the meme skeleton, remove ALL traces or pro gay shit, make harder boss fights, add a true neutral ending. These things would help, but not outright fix that shitty game.

>>16513370

Alphys is basically Toby's fanbase, though.

<LOL I'M SUCH A NERD HAHA EKS DEE I'M SO AWKWARD AND CLUMSY, I HAVE NO FRIENDS LOL HAAHA AND I LOVE VIDYA, LE CAKE IS A LIE TEEHEE, KILL LA KILL IS MY FAVORITE ANIME LOL I WANNA HAVE L'S BABIES LOL ARROW TO THE KNEE HAHA

Undertale's fanbase mostly doesn't even play video games. Hell, Toby had a poll where it showed that around 40% just watched let's plays, and another 10% never beat it.

make diagonal movement not make you faster

>>16513393

T. Tumblr Tranny

>you're supposed to think the monsters are innocent victims

>when most of them try to murder a child

The silly thing about this is that the story already has it as a plot point that the monster are on order from their king to bring him the soul of any human who ends up underground. But the way the monsters are written it seems most of them don't seem to even know you're human. Literally all Toby had to do was reinforce that the monsters are acting on orders, maybe even show that they are fighting you reluctantly.

Also would have been nice if the Genocide Route wasn't such an afterthought. "I made it a grindy slog on purpose to make a point" is such a fucking waste.

If Undertale didn't exist than we wouldn't get Deltarune.

>>16513398

You say that like it's a bad thing faggot.

Is Toby Fox a jew?

>>16513403

He announced PS4 and Vita ports two weeks after Game Maker got PS4 and Vita support, and announced a Switch port a day before GM formally announced Switch support, so probably.

>>16513251

get rid of the pretentious writing for starters

>>16513402

I didn't say it was a bad thing. Did you mean

>You say that like it's a good thing faggot.

>>16513406

>if you don't like my shit game you're a sperg

There's a reason mark bans tumblrtale threads nigger. The fanbase is pure cancer. I'm not that cuckchannel faggot

>>16513408

You act like it wasn't true three weeks after it came out and youtubers started playing it.

>>16513406

>There's a book in the game that tells you that they greet each other with bullet pattern attacks

Problem is that again reinforces the notion that humanity locked them underground in the first place for a good fucking reason.

>Also grinding is for niggers so im glad the grinding route is shit

It didn't need to be so grindy though, hell once you've initialised the route it's pretty obvious that the player is dead set on it so there's no reason for it to get monotonous.

>>16513251

>How can /v/ fix undertale.

I'm usually okay with any game that has zero pro-LGBT shit in it. The second a game introduces some pozzed faggot characters is the second it becomes irredeemable GarBage. This is why I almost liked Starjew Valley, but its inclusion of gay marriage propaganda is an unforgivable offense.

Undertale thankfully has no niggers or african faces you have endure looking at, but it is full-on gay. You can't get the "best" ending until you pair up some homo guards, while also turning that fish and dinosaur into lesbians. Oh, and killing them is Bad Thing(tm), goyim.

In the end, you have this game's furry degenerate writer lecturing others on what is good and evil. Unbelievable.

>>16513414

He banned it because they were being posted constantly. Remember how many fucking Deltarune threads we had when it came out

>>16513420

>trying to rewrite history

Nice try faggot, but no. The fanbase is pure cancer and the game was always hipster trash. Why do you guy persist on sticking around here when the community clearly does not want you?

Literally just turn it into OneShot.

Who cares? It's a shitty fad indie game from years ago, why even bother fixing it? Not that one even can, almost all of it needs to just be tossed away. It's just lazy trash made to pander to the tumblr/gametheory audience.

>>16513422

>admitting to being cancer

Glad we cleared that up.

By making roughly a third of its fanbase forget about it.

>>16513440

If it was a retard poorly copying the Mona Lisa, i wouldn't blame Leonardo. But Earthbound isn't a Mona Lisa. It's an amateurish crayon drawing, and Undertale is that same crayon drawing with every stick figure having the word "gay" written over them.

>>16513444

Third? more like 99%and then were talking

>>16513440

Why does everyone use the fucking mona lisa for their shitty analogies? It's a subpar painting only famous because people stole it

>>16513251

>make genociding gay furries the good ending

I think that's really all that needs to be done.

>>16513445

or if you just got perma banned for being a sperg king

>>16513438

>game has a shit community

>threads about the game attract said community to wherever they are mad

>nufin wrong wif jus liekn da geam anon

>>16513440

But there was potential with the gameplay and only three characters being decent(flowey/gaster/genocide sans(pacifist sans can go fuck himself))

If we can take the gameplay and those characters and create something new we could have something tolerable atleast.

>>16513458

>>16513461

>still posting after you got btfo'd

>>16513461

How does that disprove anything? You make a post about something, people naturally invested in it will come and discuss it

Also doesn't Toby think Gay Theory is a faggot because he was trying to force Undertale to be "A Thing" after the FNAF dude decided he just wanted to fuck with him?

>>16513468

exactly, that's why threads about this game should be banned, glad you agree. /thread

>>16513418

You can fix all the home shit in undertale just make undyne straight plus remove alphys and replace her with more mettaton.

All other homo gay shit is irrelevant to the story so they can be removed instantly without a second thought.

>>16513472

as a fan of the game, this post is the truth.

just let the thing die.

>>16513470

Yes especially after deltarune was released and fagpat was spamming theories about the game.

>>16513484

>Isn't that like censorship :^)

Yup, tumblr fags should be censored.

why even try to fix this game? it's only appeal is shit, if you remove the shit there is nothing left.

>>16513493

I think they should be mocked, not censored.

I'm really glad deltarune is pretty much a better undertale that (hopefully) doesn't have a big fandom since most fags will probably grow up from the faggy phase by the time the game comes out.

>>16513502

Just mocking degeneracy isn't enough anon because dump people eventually begin to sympathize with them. Only righteous fire can cleanse their souls

All I want is a grammar fix: a single individual is never, ever "they".

>>16513520

It's a product of the time.

Back in 2015 it was a trend to make the character gender be obscure and unknown

>>16513251

What shud be fxed? Is beautiful game

Cuckchan need go home

>>16513326

It was kikestarted as a pacificism focused game from the get-go.

>>16513562

>it was kickstarted as shit so it's okay

So? We're talking about how to fix it. If we have to adhere to what it was sold as, then there's next to nothing we could conceivably change.

>>16513562

But you can always make the game bout challenging the ideas of pacifism and how sometimes you must take action to protect what you love.

But NOPE even if you are going to be killed you cant fight back because muh human privilege (literally canon)

>>16513395

>first experience

>implying you can't watch a video of it then go play it

>>16513611

>implying tumblrites that can barely even manage to watch a show unless they put it on hiatuses until it can find a time slot with literally nothing else happening could dedicate the time to play through a game.

>>16513626

I don't really think it's 10/10, but it's definitely a good experience that most gamers should have.

I was so freaked out when I didn't understand the mercy system, killed goat mom, reloaded my save, and got mocked by flowey when I made it back. I discovered that little easter egg purely by accident and it was so cool.

The fanbase is fucking cancer though so it's doomed.

>>16513638

I think the anon was joking when he saidit was 10/10

But I agree that there were cool moments in the game.

Too bad those moments are overshadowed by the shitty ones that made the game infamous

>>16513626

that's disgusting

>>16513251

I'd just delete it from history and play good western jrpgs instead

>>16513642

I wasn't, i think it's 10/10 in the sense of what it sets out to do, in a technical sense though i'm sure i'm wrong, there is no truly 10/10 game.

>>16513643

No you faggot, those are child bearing hips.

>>16513654

And diabetes everything else. Her stomach flab will crush the fetus' spine.

>>16513662

Nah it's all muscle

>>16513665

You guys have shit taste, show me your 2d gals of choice

>>16513584

Make the pacifism ending be human extinction.

>>16513707

The prettiest thing about her is her eyes, legit

Consider Undertale as the first of a director's effort. Nobody's first creation is great, and there's a lot of places where Undertale could improve. Deltarune demo seems to improve in the right areas. Hopefully this trend continues.

Contrast with Scott Cawthon, who made the great-but-flawed The Desolate Hope, then ditched all of it in pursuit of money. Toby Fox may not be on "our side", but he's going in the correct direction.

>>16513743

Didn't the bully some boy into killing himself

>>16513747

Nah man i'm just horny for the scales

And metal

and anything not human

>>16513753

If they did it's the first I heard of it. There was that one backer who was trying so hard to inject his fetish into the game that Toby told him to fuck off and deliberately put his custom character somewhere nobody would find normally.

>>16513758

Actually they were bullied because they didn't draw someone from the show fat enough. The art was meh tier but that wasn't why tumblr sperged out.

>>16513731

That's bullshit revisionism, Toby has made a full Earthbound romhack before doing this shit.

>>16513770

Come on it can't be that bad

is it smut?

>>16513765

I never heard of it or played it. I also never heard of or played the 20000 games Scott made before TDH, but you didn't comment on that

Deltarune is already doing that. Mainly for the less gay characters even with ralsei and feeling like an actual RPG instead of a """subversion"""

>>16513773

I haven't played any of that shit. I just remember hearing about that game, and also that he denounced it. So it must be at least decent.

>>16513759

no not him different person

mimiga kid

>>16513861

Would you love your robot if she wasn't human looking?

Dubs could fix it.

Go back in time and prevent Tumblr from ever clinging onto it. The game is fine, albeit not perfect, on its own.

>>16513955

You'd have to take the dumblr out of Toby for that and that would lead to Undermeme not being created to begin with.

>>16514002

>what is Homostuck

>what is MLP

It's like you cretins are incapable of learning from history. The product creates the fanbase. If the fanbase is made up of faggot and furries then the problem clearly lies with the product.

>>16514007

No not really, a person is not responsible for what their product brings.

>>16514010

>Toby is not responsible for being a gay Jewish furfag

Oy vey.

>>16514007

>If the fanbase is made up of faggot and furries then the problem clearly lies with the product

Bullshit, by this logic every meme that ever left an imageboard is shit because it was eventually stolen by reddit. There's no accounting for secondary fandoms.

Earthbound was genious ahead of it's time, was a take on Japan's view of what americans are like, what music we listen to, all the backgrounds are differential equations being warped by sine waves or oscillating back and forth.

Undertale has a conveyor built and one bullet hell boss at the end under certain conditions.

That's it.

I couldn't make a shitty game and implant SJW virtue signaling in it to make it popular, but it's really nothing worth looking at.

>>16514015

>Undertale is not the source of its own cancer

t. Undertale fag

>>16514021

>if you get sick its because you caused it

Explain what's so cancerous, then. Furry game fandoms get autistic but they don't get this bad. We didn't have this stupid shit with Crash

>>16514033

>We didn't have this stupid shit with Crash

Nigga have you seen the crash threads here? Admittedly it's not undertale tier by far but the coco fags are obnoxious as fuck.

>>16514062

>Toby dindunuffin

Undertale resonates with those subhumans because it was made with them in mind, just like Steven Universe.

Now, you could argue Homestuck was a victim of its success considering the author went to great lengths to chase away the tumblr audience (to no avail), but can anyone really call him an innocent victim when he kept giving those degenerates what they wanted in spite of the half-hearted attempts to remove them?

>>16514065

>>16514070

I never said Toby dindu nuffin.

He's definitley a retard himself, but what I am saying is that Tumblr takes it and runs with it. He gave them an inch and they took a mile.

UT is like a 4.5 on the retardation scale, but the tumblr retards take that 4.5 and stretches it into a 11, completley disregarding the game itself to twist it more into their retarded desires.

>>16514072

>UT is like a 4.5 on the retardation scale

It's clearly a 8 or a 9, on the same level as Gone Homo. 10 is Celeste.

I want to fuck Monster Kid

Deltarune was a step in the right direction

I hope the next chunk is good too

>Do someone elses job for them

No thanks jew

>>16514080

Stop being obtuse, you know full well I'm talking about the levels of pozz, not the gameplay.

Man it's been a while. Followed this slow-burning trashfire from before even the kikestarter was established. There was just a demo floating around the internet and having just gotten a taste of the player being part of the game's narriative with OFF I was all for the supposed twist the demo had. Honestly I wasn't disappointed. The game's mix of RPG elements and bullet hell got my attention and the game messing with its own files was something I hadn't seen before (and hadn't gotten popular yet so shit like DDLC hadn't driven the final nail in it yet). The music was pretty good, and the goofy humor was a great take on the "Tu-Toriel" of RPGs…

Which is why I'm so disappointed in the final product. The humor that had filled the tutorial never stopped, or even bothered to change. It was all "Wink at the camera! Aren't these RPG tropes so weird" or "Look at these goofy characters. Aren't they RaNdOm?". The story never really got the chance to really take off, and only tried to ramp up the emotion right at the end. There were points here and there that had some, like traveling with the Monster Kid, or Asgore smashing the Mercy button. But those were obviously the moments you were supposed to feel emotion and were deliberately set aside for that. Any time out of that? Funneh joek.

Every ending was just "Save and load! Look the bad guy has the power to break the game too!" but didn't do anything more with it than some aesthetic choices. you couldn't actually do anything with your save to fuck with "Photoshop Flowey", and the "Perfect" ending was so melodramatic I thought I had accidentally triggered a joke ending at first. No I seriously thought that the whole thing of making a boss hook up with her dyke lizard girlfriend, before battling my long-lost half brother in a rainbow void while literally anime-flashbacking my brainwashed friends back to normal, only to spare my half-brother during a "it's not like I WANTED to be redeemed, b-baka!" was some long joke and I had fucked up in getting the actual good ending I had heard about.

For the genocide ending, I'm more upset because it's the only point where you have some good bossfights but the grind of seeking out every monster, along with the game constantly hitting you over the head with "How DARE you play this RPG like an RPG, you monster!?" really soured it. Well that and really wishing more boss fights were good.

But none of that even came close to the simple idea the demo had of editing the instruction guide to match the state of the game, which is what sold me in the first place. I just wanted Undertale to be good.

My train of thought sort of derailed but the point still stands that Undertale appears to have not even tried to deliver on the concepts from the demo. Not in any significant way. It's just jokes and I honestly believe most of the game is padding. I hear there's a sequel now, and I'll probably pirate that shit and give it a go. But I'm going into it not expecting much.

>>16514104

I want to fuck a braixen

>>16514152

He's only 7/8 gay

>>16513924

>Hibachi-style boss at the end with no bombs, inescapable bullet patterns

This joke isn't funny anon, if I remember correctly the boss had no impossible to dodge patterns and at best it was half as hard as a Touhou Extra stage boss.

>one ACT fits all types of monsters, in a game where monsters are meant to be special snowflakes

This was so underused, Toby could have made enemies have randomized needs within a range depending on their type, like Shin Megami Tesnei but no matter if you're playing pacifist, neutral or genocide the gameplay is always a borefest since you always do the same thing to the same enemy type in the same order.

>>16513307

removing you would fix a lot of things

>>16513251

>Remove the shitty fandom

>Remove hamfisted message about how peace is the only correct option

>Make full endings for non-pacifist playthroughs

>Allow me to romance and sex-up a monster of my choice

I'm not even worried about the literal faggot characters just so long as the game isn't trying to beat me over the head with their PC bullshit and I have the option to kill them.

>>16514312

Cant wait for the deltarune thread after the full game comes out

>>16513707

>what the fuck in gods green earth are child bearing hips

They're literally what the expression says they are. Do you really need this explained?

>>16513502

>>16513493

i think they should be gassed

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't deltarune pretty much a better undertale?

And since it's a AU it doesn't get burdened by undertale story wise.

>>16514485

Knowing toby.

The twist will probably be kris being the bad guy(Kate the mysterious knight) and you'll have to(once again) "save him"

But I still have Hope's for the game especially after seeing the king fight and how toby shows that there are problems with pacifism

>>16514077

>Not using the dark theme.

>>16514497

> king fight and how toby shows that there are problems with pacifism

It goes both ways.

My going theory is basically the Dark world exists to teach Suzie that "violence isnt the answer to everything" and to teach Kris/the player "pacifism isnt the answer to everything either".

>>16514259

>had no impossible dodge patterns

If you manipulate the RNG enough, sure you can pass with a no-hit run. Granted, I'm not saying it's as hard as Hibachi since Toby gives you a fistful of quarters with the healthbar, but to say it's as well-designed as Cave or Mars Matrix is an insult.

>>16514030

It wasn't any influence on the gameplay, but in a broader sense the fairy-tale power scale nonsense is right up Paper Mario's alley, particularly Super. Also, Papyrus and Sans seemed to have crawled out of there with their writing.

>>16514259

>>16514515

>>16513918

Of course.

>>16514559

>you faggots LOVED this game

/v/ is not one person you cuntblood stained ass puckered dick sniffer

>>16514559

not really, basically as soon as it came out I joined the collins poster

>>16514559

The first threads before all the secrets were discovered were fun.

>>16514577

Just replayed deltarune last night and I beat jevil first try (granted it was because of the top cake which was probably the new pie of the game that you can only get once) so for he full game I'll probably have to beat him without the cake which will be much harder

Get rid of the gay shit, very important

>>16513251

>>16513440

I generally agree with this. There is not one good element of Undertale, other than the fact that it is technically done well.

>>16514578

Great design

>>16513924

>Mettaton is clearly a padding boss that's only annoying in pacifist, but ditches his IMPENETRABLE ARMOR for a one-off kill in genocide

Mettaton's fight was the only fun thing in the whole game. I really liked the whole thing about trying to raise the ratings in real time while also avoiding attacks and whatnot, I laughed at the Commercial Break, didn't expect it at all. Had more fights been this kind of fun I would have liked the game better.

>>16514581

I found a Twitter screenshot that was shared back on 4cuck on 2016.

It'll be hard to find it since that requires me to go to r/undertale and I despise that place

>>16514515

>>16514516

Oh I though you were referring to Sans my bad, Omega Flowey is an absolute garbage boss the only reason to exist is to make the feel well about the victory without making him put any effort in beating the boss.

>well-designed as Cave

Never said that only compared it to Touhou at best and even Touhou most shitty patterns are better designed that any pattern in Undertale. Going a bit off topic but CAVE has also made a fair share of mistakes Die Old Jew White Label Hibachi is is pretty much just eat shit and die.

>ctrl+f

>shmup

>>16513924

Seriously, just one hit? Nobody else has issue with it? Every fucking fight should have been a shoot em up sequence. I don't really give much shit about the rest of the game, gameplay sucks and doing something better is the priority. I already posted my gay complaints a long time ago on /vg/: >>>/vg/69598

>>16513924

>true ending

>tidied up

Asriel turned into a flower again, became emo, and probably went off to slit his petals. Also gaster is still fucked and probably some other characters are seemingly trapped in a weird no-place place with gaster. This thing is plenty fucked, and that ending was basically just an ending to part 1.

>>16514680

Nah - I like the biology prop comedian. Flowey should stay Flowey, and mr.bones should stay calcium.

grab undertale's idea of bullet hell dodging enemies on their attacks and jrpg action commands on player turn and make a new game without a tumblr story

make it more like SMT where it is gameplay centric and more jrpgish where you collect and fuse monsters, level them up, and all the attributes of a jrpg and remove the pretentious desconstruction attempts

just grab the idea of bullet hell dodging. Add badges/perks/talents for dodging the bullets and difficulty increase as you go.

Another formula is making a roguelike with the same bullet hell enemy turns and jrpg action command on player turn, with relics, shop system and upgrade system llike roguelikes have, except with undertale battle system.

That's the best you can take out of this game which is unique

>>16514745

On the topic of SMT you could have so that you could have monsters as party members that can attack with you and give perks (pretty much deltarune but made by a competent person).

>>16513269

^This

Honestly, the game is all about moralizing and that is insufferable even when its not from the Progressive cathedral. Not to mention its pixelshit art suck.

>>16514824

>fine=perfect

>if you can potential make something better, then it's broken

>quality of developers character/unrealized concept and ideas affect existing games quality

>if one doesn't agree with a generally accepted opinion it means he is a holder of literally the opposite one

Did I state that being this fallacious and reactionary on an AIB in current year+n is quite baffling to be honest? No? Well it is.

>>16514812

I agree about the context of somebody hating it, but there are plenty of things to criticize even if you like it or are neutral on it. I have an earlier post here that covers it, but the storytelling is clumsy at best and the way that SAVE was presented and hinted at in the demo and beginning of the game naturally lead you to believe it's going to be a major game mechanic rather than a minor story point.

Parts of the game were definitely underdeveloped as well, such as clear programmer art that made it into the final product in a ton of places.

These are legitimate missteps in the game, not just "unrelated things".

>>16514844

Well, it's completely playable from start to finish, I didn't encounter any bugs, the story and presentation is fine in my opinion, and the goals the game has been set to accomplish I think were achieved with no glaring issues.

>>16514848

>there are plenty of things to criticize

Well, the threads premise is that the game is literally broken which is way different from something that's not perfect (i.e. something that has criticizable aspects which could be improved).

>I have an earlier post here that covers it

I'll look into to into and will reply if you are really interested.

>the storytelling is clumsy at best and the way that SAVE was presented and hinted at in the demo and beginning of the game naturally lead you to believe it's going to be a major game mechanic rather than a minor story point.

Is this really that important? I know the game is basically story/atmosphere driven, but is that a crucial element to the variation of the aspect the game is trying to be good at or it's something that could be overlooked given some reasoning?

>programmer art that made it into the final product in a ton of places

Well, in comparison to some other games, the entire visual style of UT is even though colorful, technically extremely basic and bland. So what's the bar, the standard by which we are trying to judge, because by my own conception of what this game is supposed to accomplish - it did it, if not well (since I could have missed the issues that could potentially ruin the flow, the impression from the game), then at the very least fine.

>>16514098

>>16514848

>The story is fine, if a little full of holes and underthought, but the way it's told is garbage.

I don't think you are viewing the narrative of the game from the right point of view. From what I see, the main plot is used just as a basic tool to get things rolling, to give you a minimum of investment to not be completely taken out of the experience, when the game tries to do what is set to do which is entertaining you through eliciting a lighthearted positive emotional response. Even the protags design hints at them being completely uninvested in the entire adventure, instead being just a representation of a shell through which a player interacts with the world. Thus when you say, that the game failed at making you invested in the Undertale plot or even Undertale world lore - I think you are missing the point.

>SAVE

While I would agree, that it could've been a better experience if that was realized, you make no point for how it actually undermines what there is.

>>16514917

>is entertaining you through eliciting a lighthearted positive emotional response

>the gameplay was the focus.

You are retarded.

>>16513731

Desolate Hope was a better game than undertale

>>16514812

Well said. Not sure what people were expecting from a RPG maker game created by someone pandering to the homestuck crowd.

Most of the legitimate criticisms leveled against undertale have also been addressed in deltarune demo. Deeper gameplay, better story, more character building, etc. The problem with the game itself is how much trivial content do you put in considering not everyone will see it?

>>16514936

My main issue with DELTARUNE is the episodic format. I hope he ditches that. I liked the demo and would like to play the full game, even if it takes years. I don't want to end up with 5 to 10 mini games to piece together as they come out, I want to sit and play an entire game.

>>16514939

Nice accuse everyone of samefag and IP hoping in order to derail discussion of a topic you don't care for. You seem like a very bitter and angry person. Why don't you go fire up a game you enjoy and cool down a bit.

>>16514946

I agree. Although if at least there is some mechanism by which the different episodes read data on your choices from each of them and use that to influence later ones that might not be so bad but I don't see how that would be practical.

>>16514927

>knowingly saying something that is guaranteed to get me replies is shutting down discussion

Can you prove yourself to be even more braindead?

>implying you aren't giving me yous when replying to me

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>16514933

I honestly don't see the drop in quality with your example (like the huge drop that would change things in principle), well, for the example of the last one, but I don't even know where its from.

>plot dump

Well, ultimately the entire journey was a waste of time, since every set up that makes everything rolling is laughable if you try to make sense of it. Like personal motivations and such. I could argue, that undermining the journey plot was an excellent idea, since that way you are left with the only thing that the game tried to be good at (at which I think it succeeded at), but that would require me believing that Toby was a genius at what he does, which I doubt he is.

Give the player the ability to kill Alphy.

Also, give the player the ability to kill So Sorry BUT without ruining a peaceful run.

Overall why would you want to "fix" a game?

We're not Bethesda, we don't have to recycle the same shit over and over again.

>>16514972

M8, indirect reply is still a reply, fuck, at this point it's me who needs to stop replying to you to show lead by example, which is ironic, considering it's you who is trying to make me to tow the line.

>>16514966

I think the last one is one of those gaster events that appear at random so I guess it makes sense to look out of place

>>16513397

>Literally all Toby had to do was reinforce that the monsters are acting on orders, maybe even show that they are fighting you reluctantly.

This is kind of a moot discussion really, it's pretty much the same as the "Death Star contractors" debate in SW or any other fiction where the protagonist has to kill small time goons.

>>16513307

Or use the Undertale females to make something similar to Senran Kagura Peach Beach Splash, problem solved.

>>16514966

It's not that it's a huge drop that changes things, it's that it's clearly drawn by a different person than the major character sprites and looks inconsistent. It's not a massive problem and the sprites aren't completely hideous, but it's a noticeable flaw, and I'm not going to ignore it just because it's a minor issue. A lot of the minor characters look completely flat without any of the construction planned, where the major characters like Toriel, Asriel, Asgore, Sans, Papyrus, and Undine have better construction and planned structure, and the overworld sprites show this. The only exception, weirdly enough, is Frisk, who looks weird and flat next to characters that don't look like shit.

Either the sprites were half drawn by a programmer and the other half offloaded to an artist, or a bunch of the major sprites were cleaned up and retouched but most of the minor ones were never touched up.

I don't think Toby is clever enough to make the story delivery shit on purpose to make a statement, or as some meta joke. I'm certain he knew that the delivery wasn't great, and given the things he's said about aspects of the game that were never finished or were scrapped, I think it was just that as things shifted around, he had to stick the plot and backstory somewhere, and stuffing it all into the end was the only place he had room for it.

>>16514848

>>16514812

Actually, you are correct, saying that "people are fuming only about unrelated things" would be grossly inaccurate, I should have also added "and about trivial issues that get more spotlight than they actually deserve". I'm saying this in no offense to your gripes with the game, since I think regret on it's own is valid (but not in the context of this thread).

>>16515007

>but it's a noticeable flaw

Relatively noticeable. As I've said, I didn't pay it much attention initially, and even now I think I have a problem with only one of your examples, which may not be as much of importance compared even to minor characters.

>A lot of the minor characters look completely flat without any of the construction planned, where the major characters have better construction and planned structure, and the overworld sprites show this. The only exception, is Frisk

Well, you are not really making a point, since all of that completely makes sense within the point of view that I say could make sense.

>Toby

I don't disagree with you on anything here, I just think that even though that could be a technically lazy or even outright bad decision - it worked out fine. It may speak about the creator and his future endeavors, but not much about the game itself.

>>16514720

But he's not flowey after the final boss, he's dead and everybody else got outside. Gaster doesn't even exist ingame, it's all datamining that points to his existence. So there's some leeway on how he'll be introduced officially, or if he's from Undertale at all.

Yet, we're stuck with deltarune being an AU, either because Gaster needs the buildup or toby's just lazy.

>>16515102

WRONG

asriel himself said that he will urn back to flowey when you talk to him in he runs and that it's better if you forget about him.

And gaster IS apart of the game.

After toby updated undertale there is a chance a gaster event will happen everytime you start a new save.

>>16513251

Gimme a comprehensive list of all that is "broken" so that it can be fixed

>>16515123

Not op but I'll try.

Items in general(nothing is better than the pie and some items are only useful in the genocide runs).

Random battles become boring after playing the game for 30 mins.

Stats completely dont matter(for the player the stats of the weapon and Rome are only flavour text)with only hp Making a difference.

The rest of the problems are ll story and character related.

>>16514564

i liked the game you braindead nigger

>>16515102

I think its only a semi-AU.

Its pretty clearly building up to be a prequel.

In UT Sans is heavily implied to not originally be from the Underground, first of all a few lines of San's dialogue:

>i gave up trying to go back a long time ago.

>your journey's almost over, huh? you must really wanna go home. hey. i know the feeling, buddo.

The one of Riverman's lines:

>Tra la la. Beware of the man who came from the other world.

One of Papyrus's lines, regarding Sans's room:

>HIS ROOM IS… IT'S LIKE ANOTHER WORLD! A WORLD WHERE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO VACUUM. YOU'RE BEST STAYING AWAY FROM THAT STRANGE PLACE.

Theres lines from the rabbit shopkeeper implying the skeleton bros just came out of nowhere:

>And if you're bored, you can sit outside and watch those wacky skeletons do their thing. There's two of 'em… Brothers, I think.They just showed up one day and… asserted themselves.

Finally, his workshop. Other than the mysterious blueprint and covered up machine, theres:

>(There's a photo album inside the drawer.) (There are photos of Sans with a lot of people you don't recognize.) (He looks happy.)

And most notably, if you try to access this photo album after talking to the clam girl who tells you about her neighbour's kid Suzy, you get this instead:

> (There are photos of… Huh?) (A card is sticking out from the back flap of the binder.) (It's a poorly drawn picture of three smiling people.) (Written on it…) "don't forget."

It all pretty clearly is building up at that UT Sans and DR Sans are the same person, not alternate universe counterparts.

At some point in Deltarune Sans and Papyrus are going to get warped into the UT world.

>>16515236

God I hope you're wrong.

The last thing I want from deltarune is being connected to undertale story wise in any sort of way other than gaster.

>>16515157

I thought the hero burger was the best item, either way, all of those issues are actually part of the narrative (except maybe the items, that are there for the sake of RPG parody, they are nothing less than a clutch since you are able to 100% the game without ever getting hit. It's like using items in platinum games)

>>16515323

I think its kind of like I said in >>16514506

My current theory is basically:

>The Dark World is an artificial world created by Gaster made to train Kris and Susie, teaching Suzie that "violence isnt the answer to everything" and to teach Kris/the player "pacifism isnt the answer to everything either".

>Gaster knows some bad shit is going to happen in the real world so he made the dark world prophecy to train K&S into becoming the heroes the real world is going to need

>At some point the bad shit causes Sans & Papyrus to get warped to the Undertale world

>>16515341

>hence why no one in the light world remembers anything about the previous game

Its an alternate world. They dont "remember" it because it didnt happen in this world.

>and why chara still exists within kris.

Theres nothing indicating Chara is involved at all.

My thinking is basically this:

>Kris is NOT evil or being posessed by Chara, he's just a creepy weirdo edgelord teenager

>The soul he took out isnt his, its YOU, you were controlling him for the whole game, sharing his body with his own soul

>Post-Chapter 1 Kris is going to become his own character with proper dialogue, not just a voiceless avatar for the player.

>Chapter 2 starts of with Kris being mad as fuck at the player soul, and repeatedly tries to stab them through the birdcage

>Because really, why the fuck would he be happy about your stupid bodysnatcher ass.

>The player will become a seperate entity from Kris, similar to how Kalas and the player are in Baiten Kaitos

>Kris will have his own dialogue and shit, not being a silent protagonist

>>16513251

Stop trying to shame the player for his choices. That was easily the worst aspect of undertale.

>>16515403

> he was basically a husk that ran on autopilot which is why everyone is surprised to see him talking to and approaching people.

He had plenty of personality explained via other character's dialogue in the epilogue.

He liked playing mean pranks on Noelle, he likes sweets more than he probably should, he played piano at the hospital, put bathbombs in the toilet for some reason, ect.

He's far from a husk, he's just a shy weirdo.

>Why have an alternate world though? Why have recurring characters who are only slightly different from the previous game?

Everything points to it being an alternate world, even TobyFuckface said something along the lines of "The characters from UT are safe, nothings going to happen to them, this is a seperate thing".

Not to mention theres things that cant be explained by just "doesnt remember events of UT", like Asriel being alive and not a flower, or Undyne having both eyes.

>>16513251

The way to fix undertale?

Hmmm. I got it! Take the music out of the game, put it into a game that doesn’t have cheesy dialogue. There, fixed.

>>16514440

Oh wait, this is a shill thread for Undertale 2. Nvm.

>>16515424

>and no toby himself said that the full game will come out all at once so cut the crap about episodic releases

Did he. He said "I currently plan to release all of the chapters at once after we complete them", and "You'll buy all of the chapters at once as one purchase" which can be read in two different ways, thanks to the fact that "at once" can mean either "all together", or "immediately":

* The chapters will be worked on, and then released all at the end, when the entire game is finished, and you can then buy the entire set. (I currently plan to release all the chapters at the same time when they are all finished)

* You can buy the game, and then each chapter will be available for play when it is released. (I currently plan to release each chapter immediately when it is finished)

Did he explicitly say that the game will not be episodic, or are you basing it on his ambiguous wording there?

>>16515385

Noelle is precious, and was made for headpats, and Hand holding.

>>16515566

Kris is a twink and a faggot.

>>16515516

I quoted exactly that. Still reads ambiguously to me, but maybe I'm just retarded and autistic.

>>16515570

Lmao toby knows better than to is off his fanbase by forcing you to buy each episode separately

>>16515575

>Lmao toby knows better than to is off his fanbase by forcing you to buy each episode separately

He didn't know how to make a SHUMP fun or tell a story outside of text dumps and meme skeletons.

>>16515583

But those are problems within the game it self.

Stuff like the format of the game is easy to handle.

Just DONT make the game episodic or online only

Just turn it into a cooking game.

>>16513449

Please don’t state opinions as facts.

I agree that Earthbound is a tad overhyped, but it’s not garbage. It’s a solid SNES RPG and stands alongside Super Mario RPG as one of the better Nintendo RPGs on the system. I will say that Chrono Trigger and the like blow it out of the water, but Square was a company known for its RPGs.

>>16515597

>please don't state opinions and facts

<now let me state my opinion as a fact

The setting and story of Earthbound made it one of the worst RPGs I ever played, and there wasn't much to make the gameplay interesting other than rolling HP. I can sit through and RPG's mediocre gameplay if the story and setting are good, but I can't sit through even the best gameplay if the story and setting are shit.

>>16513251

There's nothing salvageable about tumblrtale. There's not a single thing I'd think "hey, this could have been put to good use in a better game" because it's at best mediocre and at worst fucking tumblrtale.

Anyone who says the music is good hasn't listened to a good album. Anyone who says the combat is good hasn't played a good bullet hell. Anyone who says the characters are good needs to be gassed full stop.

>>16515575

The way I read it is that you pay for all the chapters together, and then you get each one immediately when it's finished. I'm probably wrong and it's probably going to just be released as one game at the end, but the fact that he still keeps talking about it being chapter-based and mentioning "Chapter 2" gets me confused.

>>16515641

>Anyone who says the music is good hasn't listened to a good album

My taste > your taste.

>>>/v/16515403

>>to teach Kris/the player "pacifism isnt the answer to everything either".

>That would be a mighty bold move for Toby but I don't think he has it in him.

Wasn't that what Ralsei learns at the end of the demo?

Might just be me being retarded

also

>cuckchan filename

>nuwojak

>>16513251

OP, i believe you've misunderstood the problem. Undertale is an alright game and it's perfectly fine.

It's the faggots, trannies, dick suckers, and tumblr in general who have latched onto the game that are shit.

>>16515802

It's as expected. Nobody wants freedom, they want freedom to say and do what they want to say and do and no freedom for anyone who doesn't. You like what you like, but because there are other people who don't like what you like, you hate what they like. This is human nature and has been one of the driving forces behind the majority of pre-modern wars, genocides and conquests.

>>16515802

Libertarianism /= Liberal, but I understand your point.

>>16515833

Hey, any excuse to talk about politics and history amirite?

What is there to fix? Hard mode: Don't answer "Alphys" because I find it acceptable how she outs herself as universally hateable.

>>16515852

Read the thread faggot

>>16515856

But OP asked me.

>>16515860

But what you said was said a hundred times in this thread so at least make the effort of a reading the very bottom of the thread

>>16513251

Make the game less pandering and condescending. A good chunk of the characters are terrible people that are either trying to murder an innocent child for selfish reasons or just lazy pieces of shit, and the fact that the game treats you like you're a psychotic douchebag for killing them is retarded. The fact that Sans (the laziest piece of shit I've ever seen in a game) is the one to shit talk you and give you a condescending speech is the cherry on top of this shit-sundae. One of the worst characters that the game treats as a dindu nuffin is Toriel, who did nothing but run away from her problems and let half a dozen kids get brutally murdered because she didn't want to have a five minute conversation with her ex-husband.

>>16515905

Dont forget alphys keeping people locked away in her lab because she feared even the slightest criticism from people. Or ashore refusing to use the human souls while his people are being genocided

>>16515931

>asgore

>>16513251

Undertale is a good game that really messes with your psyche. (if you actually play both endings)

It has a very cancerous fanbase but people let it cloud their judgment and automatically hate it because the fanbase sucks and it's littered with the toxic side of furries. It was difficult and meaningful and I don't regret playing or supporting it even to this day despite the horrible fucking fanbase that obsesses over the wrong aspects of the game.

>>16515692

>You have to attack Asgore and bring him down to near-death

You don't have to kill him though. You get the option to at first because Toby knows that if you keep playing beyond the first run that you will eventually go for true pacifist and/or genocide. Unless you knew what to expect going in, he was banking on everyone accidentally killing someone on their first run (i.e. toriel). The second play through is where the message really starts to get hammered in based on if you choose pacifist or genocide.

>>16515700

>Wasn't that what Ralsei learns

Sort of but again right after that the characters have a little talk about how violence is a last resort and how moral choices are "complicated". You aren't forced to kill the king either.

There are varying degrees of pacifism and unless you have no self preservation there aren't too many schools of thought that say you should let an attacker kill you in order to lead by example or whatever. Just like how more violent philosophies that aren't fringe of the fringe don't advocate killing all life including ones own. What toby tries to present over and over is that it's better to err on the side of pacifism even though you might not always have a easy option to do so. He pulls the opposite trick in the genocide run where he presents you with last desperate attempts by the more likeable characters to get you to stop. Papyrus in particular is where a lot of people turn back because even in a game it feels pretty shitty to kill someone who is trying to reason with you and is willing to forgive you for being a mass murderer. After that point though it's basically "ok mother fucker you really want to go down this road? then prepare for a head ache".

>>16515609

>The setting and story of Earthbound made it one of the worst RPGs I ever played

Shit opinion, enjoy your hundreds of copy paste faggot fantasy setting games then

>>16515961

If I wanted to see the setting of Earthbound, I'd go outside.

>>16515802

>oppiset

No Child Left Behind in action.

>>16515980

i think Earthbound has its genius in his writing and comedy, saying its bad just because the main setting is a common one is a really stupid argument taking in account the load of creativity the whole game has.

>>16514999

You're missing the point. You need the monsters to be established to be acting on orders not in some vain attempt to argue that "they were just following orders" was a justification for their actions (though that is a whole other kettle of fish). But rather that without the idea that they were attacking you on orders from their king, you're basically left to conclude that these monsters are simply violent by their nature. Which suggests that a, the humans actually had a good reason to lock them away in the first place and b, the true ending basically has you unleashing a horde of violent psychopaths on the world.

You know what, no one's going to look at this thread except for maybe one guy, so here's something to torture that one guy.

Someone out there gets off to this. Hope it isn't you.

I'd say deltarune improved a lot, hopefully no Alphys analogues and the worst part is already gone.

There's still gonna be homo though. No doubt.

The guards are paired, I already forsee Noelle and Susie being a thing and Asgore shacking up with Rudey is a subtle pairing that's been hinted at as far back as the failed clock app.

>>16516640

Fun music to listen to while infiltrating or wrecking havoc would be good as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc57edkMFiQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUj05zld8T0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfAalQu9hvY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_qOsP_OkDw

>>16515116

Noted about Gaster, but when Flowey turns to Asriel after the final boss, you only have one shot in between saves to go back to the garden to see him, if he was meant to turn back into flowey the next save loaded would turn him into flowey again instead of disappearing, whether that could be his soul decaying or just passing on. Because if he just went back to Flowey, couldn't he kill 7 people outside the cave since Flowey has no emotional attachment? That's rather pointless.

>>16515236

Funny you hinge on the prequel idea because of Sans' time machine and a vague line that might mean something else. By "I gave up a long time ago", he might mean warping before the monster war to make a butterfly effect that couldn't change.

Regarding DR as the first verse and UT as the second is also off, since if sans can warp to any AU and can manipulate time, the people around them have no scope of how much portal hopping they've done. And the sans door exists in both worlds with no limitations, so it's hard to see sans as trapped in one world. That, and Papyrus doesn't have the same power, so I doubt he's in on it.

>>16516719

>>16516719

You misunderstand.

I'm saying he and Papyrus get warped against their will by some phenomenon that will occur in the DR story, not that he's hopping between AUs as he pleases.

>>16516859

I can't tell if pic #2 is oppai loli or not. Which is it?

>>16516886

I meant pic #3, my bad.

>>16516922

nigger, it got b& because some nigger kept spamming the board with fuck off tumblrtale for months straight and mark didn't feel like dealing with it anymore but decided it was a good idea NOT to tell anyone

>>16516937

It's an easy way to get whatever you don't like deleted. Just spam the shit out of the thread with porn or fagshit then sit back and wait for the vols or the BO himself to delete the thread without a second thought.

>>16516944

If you wanted a (You), you could have just asked.

>>16513251

I never got the appeal of the story, or the dialogue, to me it just seemed to be a parody of something I can't quite put my finger on. I also fucking hate bullethell.

>>16516957

Oh, Hi poopy joe.

>>16516948

>>16516959

>>16516944

normalfags

>>16516963

eh?

norm13

>>16516966

>>16516968

reddit

>>16516950

>bullet hell

The only fight that approaches bullet hell is the Sans fight, the rest is tame as fuck.

Flowey doesn't even really count because his attacks are rigged with damage scaling in the player's favour, so he does less and less damage as the fight goes on. Not to mention you have a heathbar and healing items, unlike 99% of shmups where you take one hit and you die.

>>16516966

>The majority of Goteposters, for example, are women.

maybe on cuckchan

>>16516981

Bring what back, angrily posting at niggers who come in with the same "lol no discussion left" argument?

Too late for that, I never stopped.

>>16516989

there were a few that surfaced here, they're archived on /underground/

but they were mostly pretty shit and one was written by daño cerebral

>>16516999

>nigger board

this tbh, /mtt/ has a superior culture, BO and content

>>16517007

>doesn't have to have that personality at the beginning and having it be static is poor writing

static personalities in stories aren't the biggest blunder a writer can make, but it has to be the right character that's static, and the ratio to static to dynamic characters should be tailored on a story per story basis.

An example. Undertale had an overemphasis on static characters, with maybe one or two characters that actually have any sort of development throughout the game, one is the king and you don't see him until the very fucking end and the other was replaced by sans because le pun skelton was easier to write than a character with depth.

Deltarune got the balance pretty good, there's dynamism with more characters, but there's still plenty of static characters that don't overpower the dynamic ones.

>>16517019

Oh yeah, I forgot to say that that le funny pun skeleton was easier to write because he's very fucking static.

Stasis is his entire fucking shtick.

>>16517016

>allegiance is the only thing that matters

Cuckchans containment thread kills discussion on top of being fucking impossible to not get b& for breaching their shitty fucking site culture. The entire website is a dying husk that more and more flies are gathering on. Why anyone would want to stay there is beyond me.

>>16517101

This, genesisposting is the same as it ever was

>>16515272

>The last thing I want from deltarune is being connected to undertale story wise in any sort of way other than gaster.

Sans is directly connected to gaster though

That's his entire backstory and motivation

>All these fucking retarded fur niggers on /v/

>>16513251

the trick is A.) only playing it once

B.) not being spoiled beforehand

if you get spoiled or play it again after playing it once you fucked up, all times after the first playthrough are shit and if you've been spoiled then you've already vicariously played the game and shouldn't bother

>>16513611

see this >>16517212, unless you quit watching before leaving toriel's place you've already majorly fucked up and might as well not play undertale

>>16517005

Other than one of them "stealing" the URL for his blog it didn't seem like they were interested in picking on him more than ge already was getting picked on

>>16513944

these need to be checked

>>16517663

Oy gevalt, m-rk, ban this racist channer filth.