996db3 No.16505153
I'm currently playing through Vagrant Story and it's quickly becoming my favorite JRPG. I'm only a few hours in but I'm having a blast. The atmosphere is oppressive and creepy yet strangely calming at times, especially when you're in a workshop. Disassembling and combining weapons and finding out what you can come up with is also really great, I feel like I could spend forever in the workshops. However, the thing that's really drawing me into the game is the combat. I can't stand traditional turn-based JRPGs, but Vagrant Story sort of real-time-with-pause feels absolutely perfect, and performing multiple combos is really satisfying.
I know that Parasite Eve has a similar combat system, but are there any other JRPGs that have combat like this game?
32c24a No.16505163
>>16505153
Combat wise no. But if you haven't already anon and you like the atmosphere of Vagrant Story you should definitely check out the rest of the Ivalice games. Though granted none of them really get AS dark as VS.
0901e5 No.16505166
Vagrant story was one of my favorite games in middle school, but you answered your own question. Parasite eve is the only game that comes close to it. Nothing else to it.
32c24a No.16505180
>>16505153
You might also like the Tactics Ogre games as well anon but yeah like >>16505166 with his nice dubs said only Parasite Eve really comes close combat-wise.
996db3 No.16505181
>>16505163
FFT takes place in Ivalice right? Are there any other FFs that do also? I'm not a fan of Final Fantasy by any means so I'm not sure what the deal is with any of them really. Are there recurring characters/locations and shit in the Ivalice games?
>>16505166
>Parasite eve is the only game that comes close to it. Nothing else to it.
Well fuck me, that's unfortunate. Square should have really done more with this type of combat, it's fantastic. I haven't gotten around to the Parasite Eve games yet, but I know the second one changes things up a bit combat-wise. Is it drastically different from the first one in that it's much more a Resident Evil-esque survival horror or is it more of a combination of the two gameplay styles?
4776c8 No.16505191
>>16505153
>the thing that's really drawing me into the game is the combat
The weapon affinity system is awful. Either you ignore it entirely and deal with doing shit damage, or you take advantage of it and combat becomes a clunky mess of weapon juggling.
>realtime with pause
Most 3d bioware games. Some of them are even playable.
f3dd50 No.16505197
Fuck I wish you didn't have to save and load every time you opened storage.
f3dd50 No.16505200
>>16505181
The second game is resident evil except you have an mp bar and can cast magic.
32c24a No.16505203
>>16505181
Yeah FFT is in Ivalice.
>Are there any other FFs that do also?
Final Fantasy XII does and was developed by a lot of the same staff as Vagrant Story. A recent update to Final Fantasy XIV the MMO added a whole section of FFXII to the game as well as characters from FFT as well if that counts.
>Are there recurring characters/locations and shit in the Ivalice games?
Aside from the XIV content and non-canon cameos like Balthier from FFXII being in the PSP port of FFT not really but they all share a very similar tone and atmosphere that holds a special place in my heart.
The same artist who was art director for all the Ivalice games still works on the Bravely games if you really like the artstyle of these games as well anon. I'd recommend the first Bravely game to anyone regardless of their affinity for the JRPG genre. Avoid the second one though as I'm pretty sure it was butchered by (((localization)))
f7aa02 No.16505210
>yfw pic related
God damn that's badass in one single sentence.
If you didn't see this, you skipped the intro cutscene without knowing
>>16505181
Parasite Eve 2 changes the gameplay even more into a mix of survival horror/RPG, but it's pretty good anyway. The story might get a little more convoluted than the first
996db3 No.16505223
>>16505191
Honestly I like having to use different weapons on different enemies. Finding out what works and what doesn't, and creating that perfect weapon that tears through a certain enemy is really satisfying.
>>16505197
Yeah it's really fucking annoying, it takes so long just to get what you need out of the chest and then of course once you're done you've gotta go through the whole ordeal again just to put everything back in.
>>16505200
Well shit, that's disappointing, even though I'll probably end up playing through it anyway since people seem to like it.
>>16505203
It's been a damn long time since I've played FFT, might give the PSP port a shot this time. FFX11 actually seems like something I could get into gameplay-wise. Should I bother with the Zodiac Age remaster or just emulate the original?
>>16505210
Yeah I remember playing this a little while ago but not having enough time to get into it, I made sure this time not to touch the controller just so I could fully check out the beginning cutscenes. I like how this game uses the speech bubbles for the text dialogue, it a lot more interesting than just some shitty scrolling text at the bottom of the screen.
996db3 No.16505224
>>16505223
>FFX11
holy fuck, what is wrong with my brain
32c24a No.16505237
>>16505223
>FFX11 actually seems like something I could get into gameplay-wise. Should I bother with the Zodiac Age remaster or just emulate the original?
Zodiac Age is by far superior since it adds the content of the International Zodiac Job System edition of the game. Enjoy it if you give it a go anon, it's really good. Especially if you love Vagrant Story.
Also make sure you get the patched ISO of the PSP version that removes the baffling slowdown that happens on spells and skills.
32c24a No.16505253
>>16505223
Oh one more thing I'll add regarding XII. "Gambits" are meant to be active on your party members only if at all! Don't have them active on the character you're playing or the game practically plays by itself, I think a lot of the people who hate this game didn't do this and that's where a lot of the criticism comes from.
996db3 No.16505255
>>16505237
>check (((steam))) store page for Zodiac Age
>Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Denuvo Anti-tamper
fucking niggers. Though I'm sure it must be cracked by now I hate even pirating this dogshit
>Also make sure you get the patched ISO of the PSP version that removes the baffling slowdown that happens on spells and skills
Oh yeah I know, already found a pre-patched iso.
f3dd50 No.16505285
>>16505237
>Zodiac Age
Just play IZJS tbh.
f3dd50 No.16505295
>>16505223
I made a thread asking about FFT a while back and anons were saying that the new localization in the psp version was shit and to just play the original. If you're going to go for it looks up the slowdown fix patch.
139b62 No.16505331
>>16505153
Certainly one of my favorite games of all time. I only played it relatively recently a few years ago when someone made a similar thread here. I started it and was so taken in that I stopped because I had a friend visiting / staying with me for 2 weeks. When he got here we started a new file and basically co-oped the entire game (sans secret dungeon).
We basically had to use every scrap of intelligence we had and often had to discuss and adjust our strategy (which of course means menu-ing your gear for 15 mins). In some cases the subtleties of the mechanics were just too obscure and we had to consult FAQs.
The single biggest flaw as previously stated in the thread is the cumbersome menu-ing, which is an absolutely integral part of the gameplay. The other flaw is that the in-game manual sucks and actually gives you straight-up bad advice in some cases.
As far as the positives… where to even start? The whole setting is so mysterious yet cohesive. There appears to be a story, but you're just a goon in the story so you're not really privy to it. The visuals are incredible, easily my favorite looking PS game. The music is absolutely excellent and fits with the mood of the game perfectly. The Resident Evil style map design of interconnected areas, locked doors and backtracking works just as well as it does in those games. The combat is intricate and rewarding; getting used to the timing as well as learning the completely insane damage formulas takes time but pays off in the long run. I could go on and on…
All in all I think VS is a miracle from a brief golden age, the kind of experience we might never see again in games unless some indie company does a worthy VS homage.
139b62 No.16505354
>>16505331
Oh and just to add to the glory: we went back and fought the Minotaur boss rematch in the late game. It was a very difficult battle that took us quite a few tries. The Minotaur dropped his super-omega-legendary mace, which I believe is around 5% drop chance. If you've played the game but haven't seen what the mace looks like on Ashley, I encourage you to look it up.
100807 No.16505414
>>16505223
>Should I bother with the Zodiac Age remaster
No, get the Japanese International Zodiac Job System version. There is a patch for it that replaces the moonrunes with English text. Be warned that this version only contains the English dub, which might trigger some people. But it's better than downloading a bloated 40+ GB remaster of a 2006 PS2 game.
32c24a No.16505453
>>16505414
The English dub is objectively superior though.
099e15 No.16505497
>Tfw this is literally a genre of two games, Vagrant Story and Parasite Eve 1.
Fucking god damn BUT TWELVE MILLION FUCKIN' MOBAS!!!
f3dd50 No.16505612
>>16505414
The FFXII dub is one of the few that I really like. English Fran makes my pee pee feel funny.
7d849e No.16505794
>>16505153
I tried replaying recently
The combat is way too slow when you get swarmed with shitty enemies
It's fine for bosses and strong enemies, it's absolutely dreadful for swarms of weaklings, which there are way too many of them.
996db3 No.16505882
>>16505794
I can see how you feel that way. Fighting regular mobs don't bother me too much though, I just wish that some of them wouldn't just run away from you for no reason, only to just double back and fight you head-on again. I'm not sure if they were going for having smaller enemies flee at times or if the AI is just fucky sometimes.
0fa018 No.16505918
>>16505453
The International PS2 FF releases use the english dub you stupid fuck.
c758f3 No.16506289
>>16505153
It's impossible to pick up Vagrant Story nowadays. Graphics aged terribly. You can hype it as much as you can, that anyone will drop it as soon as the see it in action.
It's unfortunate, but you have to face the truth.
39a451 No.16506341
>>16505295
>anons were saying that the new localization in the psp version was shit and to just play the original
You got rused my friend
099e15 No.16506359
>>16506289
Summer really has brought in the zoomercucks hasn't it?
83b053 No.16506360
>>16505153
FFIX has loading times nearly as long.
996db3 No.16506374
>>16506360
Honestly I'm really not sure when the game is loading on an emulator, aside from stopping for a few seconds right before boss cutscenes. Room-to-room it's pretty seamless. However, the time it takes to save your game is FUCKING ABYSMAL. This wouldn't be so bad were it not for the fact that EVERY FUCKING TIME you need to withdraw/deposit shit from your stash chest you're fucking FORCED TO SAVE THE GODDAMN GAME. EVERY. FUCKING. TIME.
099e15 No.16506439
>>16506360
Nothings worse than the Dreamcast version of Skies of Arcadia. Twice as long as FFIX to load a fight and they accidentally put the encounter rate at 400% what it was meant to be.
1ca2b5 No.16506450
>>16505153
Welcome to the 90s zoomer asshole.
1ca2b5 No.16506454
>>16505166
Parasite Eve isn't even shit like it at all.
6b0052 No.16506473
>>16506374
FFIX has a PC port, and it only takes a couple seconds to save on it. Loading screens are still annoying, though.
996db3 No.16506475
>>16506450
>zoomer
Cuckchan faggotry is infesting this board faster than I thought it would. A piece of advice: you could have called me an underage faggot and nobody would know you were a rapefugee
996db3 No.16506477
>>16506473
I was referring to VS
000000 No.16506484
>>16506289
Any pre-2007 games, even the shitty ones, are automatically better than anything post-2007.
Face reality, zoomer.
100807 No.16506662
>>16506484
>he takes the 2007 meme too seriously
>he takes it as gospel
>zoomer
ba4bfe No.16506840
>>16505153
Vagrant Story was originally a Parasite Eve project that got cannibalized into a Final Fantasy game, Parasite Eve is the only genuine one that is close because of this. The only other game I can think of that might come close is Hybrid Heaven but that's a very surface level comparison.
a80933 No.16506857
>>16505153
If you don't like traditional turn-based, try SaGa games and Shadow Hearts series, they use a few tricks to hide the bland. FF12 changed things up too. Vagrant Story and Parasite Eve are two of the best games for the PS1, most others will be a step downward.
54fd91 No.16506861
>>16505453
>>16505414
The English dub of FFXII IS objectively well done. This is because the localisation was done by Alexander O Smith - the same guy who localised Vagrant Story.
98797b No.16507231
>>16506289
Despite what the nostalgiafags say, this anon is right. I found my old copy of the game a few months ago and found myself stopping after only a couple hours because it was so difficult to watch. It might just be one of those games that has to be played on a CRT, but I think it has more to do with PS1 games being 320x240 which looks like trash if you try to play outside of the original resolution and this game really looks like garbage upscaled. Beyond that the game has definite issues with contrast. Some spots are so washed together it's hard to tell what's going on and the game occasionally does some bizarre cross-eyed doubling-image effect in some cut scenes which is absolutely nauseating.
I absolutely loved the game back in the PS1 era and I may give it a try again later, but I'm not going to pretend like the game's visuals didn't age like milk. Maybe it looks better on an emulator but I highly doubt it. It's definitely a game I'd like to see a remaster of though.
0fa018 No.16507266
>>16507231
The game is beautiful emulated, especially with pgxp.
1117a8 No.16507330
>>16507231
Since I still play older games occasionally I rarely had nostalgia goggles tricking me into thinking things look better then they really are. Emulators certainly makes everything clearer and allowing texture filtering is standard. Personally the big selling point for me with an emulator is cutting back the loading times it's just way faster then a regular PS1 would typically take to load except mandatory for loading screens for saving and loading which always has a minimum amount of time to take. Transitions are smooth like butter though.
23871e No.16507727
>>16505191
>The weapon affinity system is awful
An understatement. That system ruins the entire game.
>>16507330
3D games are better emulated, especially when a good hd patch is created for them.
00e359 No.16507742
>>16505414
English dub is fine, the only thing that can fix XII is a patch to remove vaan and penelo
746708 No.16507964
>>16506341
It ruins one of best lines in the game right from the start. It also uses ye olde english, which is dumb and boring. I haven't played the PSP version, I've just seen enough comparison screenshots over the year to never want to touch it. Lancer/Time Magic/Defense UP/Regenerator/Move HP-UP forever and ever.
f3dd50 No.16507979
>>16507266
Only problem is that almost every area is brown.
62504e No.16508004
>>16507231
>muh ageing games
1) Games don't age, and 2) as long as there is a good, consistent aesthetic, the game will look nice no matter how many years pass.
Go take a look at something like Homeworld (original) and tell me it's ugly.
Also, emulation exists for a reason.
593708 No.16508009
>>16507231
The graphics have not aged, the television resolutions have become higher and thus look worse unless you have one with good enough settings to make pre-HDMI outlet games bearable to look at. Vagrant Story is still one of the best looking PS1 titles.
4776c8 No.16508449
>>16508004
>Games don't age
I agree when it comes to good visuals, but for control schemes or mechanics, of course they can.
ba4bfe No.16509164
>>16507727
Yes, the weapon switching would need a serious overhaul in how it's handled, alternatively multiple characters with their own weapons and they compensate the short comings with magic instead. Then you'd get more of the prologue where cleverness like slitting the Wyvern's throat ends the fight fast. Could even allow a more sin city type format with multiple POV characters.
fa6089 No.16509175
>>16508449
Yeah, control schemes can age. The only thing that can truly age.
1117a8 No.16519224
So how many of you noticed that Sidney's pants is actually just a loose hanging covering being worn over his ball crushingly tight speedo?
ba4bfe No.16519433
>>16519278
Looked fine for me when I played it, might have to see if I simply missed it. Btw if the game lags at thats point turn rumble pack off in the title menu.
639046 No.16520131
>>16519224
That's Ashley. Although I will say that Sidney's outfit is pretty gay also
1117a8 No.16520565
>>16520131
I always get their names mixed up, every time I think Sydney it's always Ashley and vice verse. Maybe it's the hair?
66529d No.16520886
>>16506802
>D:/Users/Luciano/Desktop/8ch_bot/respostas.js
what did he mean by this
afcd28 No.16520995
>>16506359
>>16506450
Is zoomer the latest ebin meme from halfchan? Because I was just getting used at retards calling all adults, boomers.
Anyway, the problem with the game's graphics is not a matter of low specs or old hardware. Just like blurred lowpoly on the N64, the PS1's style was always cheap but we used to overlook this because of the novelty with 3D. After the jump to the next generation, that tradeoff became impossible to ask from the player.
Not everything ages with elegance. This is neither right or wrong, it's a reality you have to deal with as you get older and even the nostalgia glasses stop giving you rest.
4776c8 No.16524440
>>16520995
>the latest ebin meme
It's not new, it's just finally catching on around here.
>the PS1's style was always cheap
I'll fight you, nigger.
>but we used to overlook this because of the novelty with 3D
We didn't overlook anything, it looked great then and it still looks great today.
0fd310 No.16524498
>>16524440
>it's just finally catching on around here
Retarded AND belated memekids.
1117a8 No.16524560
>>16524440
That interest chart shows a clear mark of a bonafide attempt to change language that sudden spike is coordinated usage, the sharp plummet is where the attempt stops since there is no natural momentum it just plummets back to the bottom, each sharp rise and drop is another attempt each. For comparison here is the name of a park in Florida, notice anything?
5da84a No.16524596
>>16508449
>good visuals
Resolution, controls, fads like the cover system and politics age. Art style, music, story and gameplay doesn't age. It's more complicated, but think of it this way: What can't be objectively improved can't age.
>>16524560
Yeah it is pretty weird. I never encountered the term until last year so those spikes you see are probably unrelated to the 4channel/reddit variant. As someone who visits that shithole from time to time I have to confirm that everything past the exodus has been worse than what 9gag laughed at. Every "meme" is forced cancer that gets reposed by the same 10 people until it artificially catches up. What used to export internet culture now imports it from the lowest common denominator websites and communities.
4776c8 No.16524717
>>16524560
That does seem strangely inorganic. It didn't really blow up until that wojack edit caught on.
>>16524596
>Resolution
For console games at least, with pre-gen 7 and the mainstreaming of HD, I think resolution matters far less than having the correct display (crt tv).
5da84a No.16524907
>>16524717
>crt
Unless they bring them back in some form or another nobody will know what games used to look like.
4776c8 No.16524958
>>16524907
You can get pretty close with shaders. CRT Royale at 4K compared to a tiny sd tv. Royale isn't perfect, but you can get really close to a BVM at 1080p with kurozumi's preset, and a reasonable approximation of an sd tv at 4K. Anything is preferable to going raw on an LCD.
e8b672 No.16525458
>>16524958
the new OSSC (test) firmware has cool new options for scanlines.
4776c8 No.16525956
>>16525458
An OSSC is the exact opposite if what you'd want in that scenario. Using original hardware and then going out of your way to shit it up by upscaling it to an LCD screen, which is a really baffling way to go about things if your goal was authenticity. It's not the scanlines either, which didn't really exist on consumer tvs, it's the color bleed that these games were designed around. This is the kind of shit you get with the hybrid scanline feature on the OSSC on a 4k tv, and it looks pretty terrible. It just doesn't have the processing power to match what we can get from discrete GPUs and bloated multi-layer shaders. Also, I'm reasonably sure that in your final image, the one in the right is a PVM, not OSSC scanlines on an OLED tv.
e8b672 No.16527407
>>16525956
not everybody has access to a nice CRT, personally I'd rather play on a mid-rang 2010 LCD TV then a chinese shit box from the 90's or even 2000's. have you actually used an OSSC? and yeah i'm not super sold on V+H scanlines either (I prefer the look of a 800 line PVM instead of the 400 line and lower displays that some are going for) so I have most of my setup in 4x (or 5x) mode with regular scanlines at 85%. I don't have any 4k monitors yet. (only 1080p for now)
3e2ba9 No.16527435
>>16524958
shaders still look like puke
e8b672 No.16527446
>>16525956
> Also, I'm reasonably sure that in your final image, the one in the right is a PVM, not OSSC scanlines on an OLED tv.
I should have labeled them…
1.direct capture from Wii virtual console genesis game (streets of rage 2) 240p mode
2. same setup + ossc (3x mode+) on a 1080p lcd
3. 4k OLED TV (with a Mega SG) vs an 800 line PVM (with an old Mega Drive+rgb) on streets of rage 1 (I think)
e8b672 No.16527462
>>16527435
it always looks way better in motion running before your eyes. screen shots and video do a horrible job of conveying what any of this really looks like during actual game play.
4776c8 No.16528003
>>16527407
>not everybody has access to a nice CRT
Surely your local thrift store has a bunch of SD TVs for ~$15 you could rescue. You don't need to spend hundreds of dollars for a PVM or BVM at a usable size unless you're specifically chasing that aesthetic. There weren't more than a handful of people playing vidya on those at the time, so that isn't exactly the authentic setup. Polite sage for pretty thoroughly derailing the thread. Have some fresh VS shots.
3e2ba9 No.16528193
>>16527462
No, it just looks like an lcd with blank lines running through it. It always does, this is not what CRTs are like at all and you're just moving farther and farther from the authentic experience.
4776c8 No.16528244
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>>16528193
Are you telling me this isn't what the developers intended? :^)