/v/ - Video Games

Would avoiding shit games for years counts as stealth related to video games?

Why are you fags all saging? It's like you don't even care what the thread is about, you just want to act like cunts.

Maybe the real stealth game was the genre itself all along.

>>16448015

I know the Dark Mod is buggy as fuck and mostly contains just watershed horror maps but I would say that it is near the most fun to be had, if a little dated. If someone were to develop on that idea, make it a little bit more open world E.G Deadly Shadows, I think it would be a legitimately great experience.

Wait for the next assasin's creed.

>>16448042

You got that wrong mate. Every Western game is a Jewish SJW turd.

It's not much and there's a good chance you've played them, but I can recommend

>Styx Master of Shadows(Haven't played Shards of Darkness so I can't speak on it): Play as a goblin, scale walls, be sneaky and get money. Very vertical compared to other stealth games with Styx being able to scale just about anything.

>Invisible Inc: Procgen turn based stealth game. Incredibly intense with every level being a race against time(As in guards change up their routines, more cameras/alarms turn on, more guards spawn in, eventually culminating in guards endlessly spawning and one of your agents getting their positions revealed every few turns). If I had issues with it is that it's very easy to eliminate like 70% of content since it's much harder and it barely gives you decent rewards in return. One of the hardest mission types is breaking into a safe that's boobytrapped and can very easily end your run since the resulting guard attraction might overwhelm your guys. The safe rewards you with a key card which is used in another mission type, and it gives you a fair amount of dosh and a piece of gear, but you can get a fair amount of dosh from just pickpocketing and decent gear from shops in/out of missions.

>Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun: Similar to the desperados games but set in japan. It's pretty good with my only complaint being long loading times and meh music.

Has anyone played Aragami? Is it any good?

>>16448065

Do the goblin character constantly make snarky remarks in Master of Shadows? That was really annoying in Shards of Darkness.

>>16448085

Not constantly, no. I admit I didn't really notice and it didn't bother me because I like Styx's VA mainly because it was contrasted with a terrible orc in a previous game.

>>16448065

>Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun

This one's great. They're making another one too.

>>16448015

YOU MEAN NO GOOD STEALTH GAME IN OVER 3 DECADES

fucking youngfags

Stealth in real life behind women. If they don't blow their rape whistles, you win! But seriously, I can really think of anything that could help improve the stealth genre. It feels like it's been used as an add-on into other game genres. I wouldn't mind another Tenchu but what new stuff can you do to make a new stealth game fresh that hasn't already been done before?

>>16448100

They're also making Desperados 3 I think, although I'm not particularly interested in that one since I think it's going to be more like shadow tactics than desperados.

>>16448102

Alright settle down grandpa

>>16448045

>you just want to act like cunts.

the 8ch way

>>16448114

It doesn't look like much but it is really stressful and nerve wracking. Difficult as fuck too. You need good timing and good memory.

>>16448015

Try Wildlans in solo.

>>16448015

Consider how stealth hasn't been well implemented lately, MGS5 was actually a step back in terms of stealth, we went from alert levels to an absolute alert activated in an instant, you know, the whole "hostile! spotted in the whole 10km radius!"

>>16448065

>Has anyone played Aragami?

I played it for few hours. It is like Tenchu with blink skill from Dishonored.

>>16448174

Yeah, I prefer to believe that MGSV never existed and that MGR is the true MGSV

>>16448065

Aragami is so shit and I only say this because

>barely tested, can hardlock yourself into levels where you cant blink around without falling off and dying

>archers know WHEN you're crouching when you're near by, their line of fire clearly shows how bullshit they are

>dumb fucking bell move

>not that interesting of a mechanic

>can't have the thrill of trying to escape after getting caught as it's almost instant that you die

>>16448085

Nope, Master of Shadows had much less obnoxious Styx, though he still had an occasional quip, but it was never the wannabe Deadpool meme spouting that shards of darkness had.

But even more unforgivable than the memes, Shards of Darkness removed the maps from the game and fully embraced the mark marker plague

>>16448102

>>16448114

actually looks really interesting, reminds me of a modern videogame that had multiple cameras

>tfw Thief is repeatedly hailed as the height of stealth and everything else pales in comparison to it's holy Glory

>tfw even Thief 1&2 only sort of lean, touch, and scratch at the incredible experiences that stealth could provide in it's good missions

>tfw only a few missions touch on the environmental storytelling that it's famous for

>tfw Thief was supposed to be an omen of the wonders to come

>tfw it was actually the peak of what would ever exist

>>16448237

>friendship ended with Solid, now Raiden is my best friend

The easiest way would be to have randomized spawns, but then you run the risk of making ghosting impossible. Personally I'd be fine with that, but I'm sure normalfags would hate it because they can't pretend to be the absolute god of stealth.

>>16448015

LIST OF STEALTH GAMES THAT CAME OUT SINCE JANUARY 2013:

Alekhine's Gun

Alien: Isolation

Assassin's Creed Unity

Assassin's Creed Syndicate

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

Dishonored 2

Dishonored: Death of the Outsider

The Evil Within 2

Ghost of a Tale

Hello Neighbor

Hitman (2016)

Hitman 2 (2018)

Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes

Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor

Middle-earth: Shadow of War

Sniper Elite 3

Sniper Elite 4

Sniper Ghost Warrior 3

Splinter Cell Blacklist

Styx: Master of Shadows

Styx: Shards of Darkness

Thief (2014)

Volume

THE REALLY GOOD ONES WORTH PLAYING:

Assassin's Creed Unity

Dishonored: Death of the Outsider

Hitman 2 (2018)

Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes

Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

Styx: Master of Shadows

Is Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice sort of a stealth game? Seems like it but I haven't played it yet.

Are there any upcoming stealth games?

>>16448485

>Ass Creed

>Stealth

>Worth playing

>>16448497

Come again?

>>16448485

GR Wildlands, if you want to be tacticool.

>>16448523

Go back to reddit.

>>16448528

You go first.

>>16448536

I don't play triple-Anus ubitrash games.

Quads

Everytime

The Arkham games have fun stealth.

>>16448881

I care. I don't want to be surrounded by people with shit taste in video games.

>>16448989

then what the fuck are you doing here?

>>16448237

Well, that's really your fault for being too retarded to use your blackjack and water arrows.

<BUT MUH GHOOOSTING I CAN'T KNOCK PEOPLE OUT

That's not really an intended way of playing the game, so it's your fault, it's like complaining that you can't beat an RTS without losing any units.

>>16449238

It's more of the same of Hitman 2016, and they both do their damnedest to imitate Blood Money.

It's a decent enough urban stealth game I guess.

>>16449004

browsing a place that has peak patrician taste in video games

>>16448485

>Ghost of a Tale

How did this game turn out? I remember seeing footage of the demo when it first released and it looked okay.

>>16449265

>Hitman

I actually enjoyed both the Hitman movies. Second one was super fucking dumb though they made out as is if 47 had super powers and basically gave him a sister. A sister he then went out of his way to use as bait. I guess that was a very 47 thing to do.

>>16448015

Literally every single game made post-2007 will automatically be shit. So, no.

All possible good games have already been made. Go play them.

>>16449238

Normally I would make this a webm, but i'm fucking lazy and don't want to put the effort in, but this should answer your question if i'ts good or not.

>>16449429

>>16448015

No interest in the still active fan mission community?

>>16449463

Why is this game so perfect shit like this, moments like these, are why I love games.

>>16448485

>>16449150

>Is Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice sort of a stealth game? Seems like it but I haven't played it yet.

There is some stealth in Sekiro,you can check what's further like in any From games,if you manage to sneak the mobs won't chase you,and since there are mini bosses that you need to kill twice in a fight you can get the first kill by backstabbing them which makes it profitable at times,Some times you can clear a location of regular mobs before moving to a harder one,manipulating the battlefield for yourself,It affects how you think about moving forward when you can climb some of the walls,so for example you can walk on rooftops and avoid some enemies.like it was designed to throw Dark Souls players a little of balance.I'd say stealth is a part of the gameplay something like 1/3

There is one section where you have to hide from a big ass snake and pass through a valley,and that is as far as I am in the story now

>>16449463

>>16449504

Hitman 2 is pretty good for playing around but so far I think it's not really well designed if you decide to ignore the "suggested canon event's",for example on one mission within 2 mins of the start I shot a target through a window when sitting in grass 3 meters away and nobody in her house reacted even tho she was dead in the kitchen canon event for that was statue of mary falling on her

on the other hand some targets seem almost impossible to kill without following one of those event's I can't find a way to kill the indian director because he is always with guards and has one lopped path,and it seems the only thing that makes that path change is if I disguise myself as an actor and show on set so he can start rolling

Also I play on a pirate and 90% of the starting points/gear or disguises are blocked

>>16449238

<Good Games

<Assassin's Creed Unity

<The one even Assassin's Creed fans say is bad

Then I suppose they aren't real fans, since the original Assassin's Creed, Unity and Syndicate are the only stealth-centric games in the franchise. How about Metal Gear Solid V? I thought Metal Gear fans hated that one too. :^)

< if anyone's keeping track of characters Social Justice praised from the rooftops and then promptly forgot about an hour later, here's another one for the pile.

So you're a story fag? Then Assassin's Creed Unity would be right up your alley. Leftist French critics moaned about how Assassin's Creed Unity propagated counter French Revolution narratives.

Dishonored DotO has a crap story just like Dishonored 2, but at least DotO had the excellent bank level.

Dishonored - ★★★★

Dishonored 2 - ★★½

Dishonored: Death of the Outsider - ★★★½

>>16449315

Yeah, Ghost of a Tale turned out ok (very good considering it was mostly developed by one guy from what I understand), but it's very simple and there are numerous hiding spots throughout the game which make it very easy. And there are a ton of fetch quests. The collect-a-thon nature of Ghost of a Tale holds it back from being really special.

>>16448485

Haven't played the disabled niggertranny DLC yet and Unity is godawful but I agree with the rest.

>>16450278

But in Dishonored you see her face only in menu soo it is easy to ignore. I pretended i am still Corvo whole time.

There's new Thief FM's all the time. Can't believe Scarlet Cascabel won the anniversery contest though, it was mediocre as fuck and I don't give a shit about the dev's sob story.

>>16449583

You can download a 100% save and unlock everything. Worked for Hitman 1 at least.

>>16448062

>Expecting decent stealth gameplay from a historical furniture retail simulator

>>16448064

The Japanese are literally mongol-semites. They're sodomites.

>>16448485

>Ass Creed Unity

>Really Good

It has a lot of potential to be good but the AI is too dumb to know otherwise and the stealth is still too simplistic to really be useful. I made a more in depth post about it and someone apparently screen capped it, so maybe they'll post it later on. To be a good stealth game, Unity needs more precise parkour, introduction of some basic things like reducing visibility by staying in fog or shadows, altering guard shifts, guards having heightened awareness from things like casting shadows, blood, and footprints, and far more opportunities similar to Hitman.

>>16449238

Ass Creed fans are fucking morons and still think that II is the best one. The more controversial releases like III and Unity, while not good, do a lot of interesting things that should be hallmarks of the series and are the best it has to offer.

>>16450948

>in every hitman game there is a part where you cannot stealth

git gud

>>16451044

New Ghost Reacon reveal.

>>16451243

this is fucking trash

>>16451277

checked

it doesn't even look like stealth game so far

>>16451243

God they have no idea of how to make a Tom Clancy game. The story is so ridiculous.

>>16451302

I don't care much about story. I like design of enemy soldiers. Still. I want to play stealth game. Not Army of Two in open world. Want to see stealth gameplay. Not Call of Duty: Advance Warfare 2.

MGSV was great gameplay-wise, if you disabled some casual options it was very very great.

I wonder if there is maps and mods for the PC version.

>>16451379

>MGS4 had the best gameplay.

What?

Story in MGSV is bad. Map is empty. But gameplay is superb.

>>16451462

>But gameplay is superb.

Unless you want to use more than 2 weapons.

>>16451495

First it is not true. Second, even if it was true, there is no place to use that gameplay anyway. 80 % of game are movies. Only time i felt like i playing game was 10 minutes in final part on ship before elevator and Rex part in Shadow Moses. PSP games have horrible gameplay.

>>16451789

>>16448015

There is no way in hell there is hope OP. The stealth genre as it was established is way too niche and difficult for people today. No developer would be willing to truly revolutionize it either. Instead they will just throw it in as a side mission or whatever into primarily action games.

>>16452193

I recently played through Origins (just finishing up the final DLC now) and I have to give it some credit. It's not the direction I want to see AssCreed go in, but the first few hours I was convinced it was one of the best open world games I've ever played. My infatuation with it has diminished greatly since, but it does some things correctly. It now has a free diving system, allowing for underwater passages and caves, the water has current, so bodies can float down rivers and you can also pour oil in it to create a line of fire, and each NPC in the game has a schedule they follow based on the world timer and will do things like sleep. Other than that, though, I do not like the direction the series has taken. AssCreed is weird as in each game usually does something innovative and cool, but they never had the sense to distill it so all the cool features are in one game. Unity has most of these components, so while it's the most AssCreed of the AssCreed's, it's still not good. I would love to see a sequel to Unity following Arno and Bonaparte, which could go all over Europe if they wanted to including Egypt.

>>16452193

god tier shit is still shit

>tfw favorite stealth game was Payday 2.

>>16453088

This.

>>16453091

>Payday 2

>Stealth

>>16453095

>he couldn't stealth in Payday 2

>>16450948

All stealth games are puzzle games. All games are puzzle games.

>>16449238

Gameplay and exploration wise Unity is the best asscreed by a mile, it's the main story that's complete trash.

>>16448485

Mankind Divided is a tad underrated, it's decent as a stelath game.

Using the enemies turrets and robots to kill them while you sneak past everyone is really damn fun and something that i rarely see in games.

>>16453170

Liked more the level design of MD

>>16453206

Because you play it like FPS. HR is better designed for stealth.

>>16453214

I played MD with stealth in mind but not ghosting though if that's what you mean

>>16453258

>I wish some japanese could acquire rights to Deus Ex.

it's literally a squeenix property. The japanese are to blame for the failure of Mankind Divided

The problem with stealth mechanics in games is that unless you instantly kill your target or successfully sneak by them, your stealth is broken and normal combat resumes. Instant kills in stealth are not rewarding. Sneaking past targets is boring. I actually liked that shitty ghost recon game where you could line up your team to coordinate a strike at the same time with sync shot.

>>16453258

Nah, japs don't have the same idea of what a conspiracy theory means. The original deus ex was good because the setting was believable yet absurd (like a conspiracy theory). The japs don't have that in their society.

>>16453375

Japs don't have the same mistrust of the government that Americans have. No one really quite does, but our distrust of our own systems is wildly more imaginative than anything a Japanese person would come up with.

>>16453451

He pretty much said the game was all about dicking around and using whatever tools you have.

>>16448047

Maybe the real stealth was the friends we missed along the way.

>>16453969

I've never had a girlfriend, I'm a master of stealth

>>16448045

because it's a cuckchan template thread

sage

>>16454066

>he never saw the GDC talk

>>16454078

>he never read the Deus Ex Bible

>>16454066

Check spector's twitter.

Pacoti is writing woke cyberpunk about a negroid getting a medical experiment by evil hwite corporation that raised his IQ above subhuman levels.

>>16449332

holy shit I love Death to Spies

>>16448263

Not just spawns but the AI should act with random dice-rolls kinda system for choosing patrol routes, perhaps with several AI-presets to choose from the guards too which would maybe depend a bit on the difficulty as in how many of the guards have the "lazy/tired-AI" preset which would just make the guard find a quiet spot to doze off etc.

>>16452095

>It's not even stealth.

>Post worst "stealth" game ever made.

Why do you cry about Ghost Reacon reveal? If you don't like it, don't watch it. For my Naked Penis is worst MGS game ever and unplayable boring shit. But i am sure for you it is awesome pure fun. People don't have same taste.

>>16448045

Sage =/= dislike

Newfag

someone please make a new good stealth game the drought is real ive put over 300 hours in the original dues ex because it was new to me god damniut it was new to me in my late twenties I played it as the intended audience and it was so fucking great god damn it new video games are such cancer aids ebloa i hate it i hate them all so much fuck

>>16448888

Very nice

>>16455435

they can't stop making kids games or else there will never be new customers

>>16453941

>muh israel

>no mention of any mass mind control experiments

Yep, found the retard.

>>16454535

Everyone itt can confirm that your taste in video games is bad. If you play modern western aaa sjw casual garbage then you deserve to be banned. Everyone report him.

Stealth games as a genre are dumber than platforming for the sake of platforming. Stealth is a gameplay feature, not a genre.

>>16457399

Stab yourself in the throat.

>>16455435

Wait, we do? I've been waiting on a good singleplayer fps for years, nothing has showed up.

>>16457409

SHUT

UP

FISHER

>>16448062

Reported for shit taste.

>>16457943

>GTA Afghanistan

Minus the driving and the… everything. MGSV controls like a dream. The gameplay barely exists and there’s no story or game progression. It’s “stealth,” sure.

>>16457955

creepshot simulator 2014

>>16448045

It’s because they think the OP is low effort.

Ehhh, it’s subjective. At least they aren’t using >>>/v/XXXX to down vote like that one newfag was doing.

Stealth games got consumed by Open World games.

Stealth games were like platformer lite games. It was never about RPing as a super duper secret spy. It was about sneaking around a spiderweb of passage-ways in exotic locations and taking out or evading enemies in creative ways.

Once open world became a thing all the people who came to stealth for exploration left for Skyrim or whatever. Then all that was left was stealth vs enemy AI. Which eventually got folded into other games like the Batman Arkham games, the Shadow of Mordor games, etc.

The genre still lives on, most notably through Arkane’s games like Dishonored and Prey. But I think Kojima saw the writing on the wall and is probably why his last Metal Gear game was open world before he jumped ship.

>>16459005

>It was about sneaking around a spiderweb of passage-ways in exotic locations and taking out or evading enemies in creative ways.

Sounds like Katana Zero, but that game doesn't have to be played as a "stealth game"

Technically no game requires stealth.

It's near undoable in some cases, but not impossible. never impossible.

>>16456605

nice filename, faggot

Still waiting on a spiritual successor to Chaos Theory. Where are you spies vs mercenaries and why have you been forsaken by this industry?

>>16460083

Say what you will about blacklist, but the SvM mode was really fun. Shame about the rest of the game.

>>16460087

tbh, Blacklist was better than expected after the shitshow Conviction and next-gen Double Agent were.

>>16460124

It was on par with conviction to me. You still had hax o vision, with a million little gadgets to do stuff for you, and features that were still missing like the ability to interrogate. It also still had mark and execute.

>>16460137

The Hax-o-vision could have been balanced okay but the weird fucking upgrade system meant that you could make it overpowered really easily. Mark & Execute thankfully didn't pose a problem to me since I aimed to be a ghost with no guard interaction and the game was gracefully designed around that so I actually enjoyed the game to some extent.

>>16460124

>try blacklist for a spin

>first level after the tutorial, one where you're supposed to do something on a lighthouse island

>every single logical entrance or path is locked off with BRO YOU GOTTA HAVE A CO-OP PARTNER WITH THIS BETTER GO BACK THROUGH THIS OTHER PATH :^)))

What's to be done about stealth? The genre doesn't evolve, its pretty much the same thing every game. A more complex AI system could work, where they won't fall for thrown items over and over, where they won't reset after an alert, where they call for help when they hear a disturbance, when their patrols change after a discovery of you, a guard incapacitated or even stuff like open doors and unlocked doors. We can't go full realism as stealth games would be immensely harder to the point of not being fun. You could try throwing in gimmicks, like powers. A stealth game with someone who can pause time, slow time etc. for just a few seconds, mimicry of guards and scenery and so on.

>>16460205

I've heard they are good, despite the earlier one being online and Jewed with DLC/episodes. I've never been a big Hitman fan though.

>>16460087

>>16460124

Blacklist was only fun for the predator stealth and even then, it was barely fun.

Did anyone end up playing The Slater? It doesn't look particularly great but I've been meaning to give it a go.

>>16460205

They laid quite a bit heavy into streamerbait shit, but I guess they're having fun. I find it repulsive personally. Taste may vary, like some homosexuals like cilantro.

>>16460410

Peculiar pantsu. Are those meant to be lacey? Looks more like ivy in that second one. Tappu tappu flippu burgu. :DDDDDDD

I suppose what is more prescient to be noted is that pantsu look like they are modeled, which means, it could potentially be modded into a pantsu thief game.

>>16460709

I think they cancelled it.

>>16460793

Syphon Filter 2 had a crossbow, which would be realistically a better weapon while operating silently.

>>16460709

I wonder if they even still have anyone there that worked on Manhunt.

Oops.

>>16460815

I wonder what the forensics are for tracking a crossbow bolt. I know about boolets but not something like that.

>>16448015

>Future

What I see is that the pure stealth genre will be refined by independent developers, far from the noise of an industry desperate to get the taste of the month. It will be video games by and for fans with an hermetic community that will gradually cease to be so present in the media of the entertainment industry.

>>16448065

>Styx Master of Shadows

I like it but I dropped it. Maybe it was because it touches the subject of an addiction and it hits close to home. But nothing against the game. Maybe because of your post I'll take it up again after Sekiro.

>Shadow Tactics

>View gameplay

>You can hide bodies

>Just like Commandos.

You got me there fam.

>Aragami

I liked it a little, but I don't know the reason why it runs so slow on my machine.

I recommend you try playing Crysis but in stealth mode and delta difficulty mode. It's like playing the upgraded predator or just The Predator Killer from The Predator (2018).

>>16448102

I'm absolutely intrigued by this footage.

>>16448103

I really believe the ultimate stealth mechanics are in MGSV.

>>16448173

Ghost Recon? Is it worth it?

>>16448174

I think is more realistic in MGSV but I get your point.

>>16448189

Is have never seen an interaction between franchises like the one between SC and MGS.

>>16448237

You cannot leave the stealth. That's no how it works. But I understand what you mean. There are people with very high standards. I once came across a very intense discussion about why Spliter Cell Chaos Theory was trash and both positions had valid points.

>>16448485

I'm going to save your post anon.

>Sekiro.

Yes. But bosses and minibosses cannot be played in that way.

>>16448506

Very interesting.

>>16463117

?

>>16460205

The new ones are the best in the franchise. It just suffers from a terrible progression systems. Items are unlocked through completing challenges rather than purchased like before and said challenge completion is an online service, so the game is neutered when it's offline. Most of the items that are unlocked later on are likely a functional duplicate of something you had before and because the AI doesn't react to blood, the garrotte is useless compared to other concealable lethal alternatives.

I put something like 200 hours into both games combined. I didn't play as much as 2 and got pretty bored with some of the newer missions, but I'm sure that you could have some fun with it. The multiplayer was also pretty cool.

>>16473067

>be in shadow=invisible

i'd give you this one provided you are moving. human eyes need movement to see in dark conditions, and if someone is blended into the darkness and unmoving there is a pretty good chance you'll miss them

>after an alert guards resume their routines

going back to metal gear solid 2, if you lost your pursuers after an alert, if it was at all possible the guards would call in a clearing team to sweep the area (this was hyped to fuck pre-release, since they consulted and motion captured actual SWAT teams investigating and clearing rooms). in later MGS titles they would call in additional backup, bring a helicopter in to search the area etc and otherwise step up their patrols because they knew you were around

>guards don't notice other guards missing

MGS3 and all games forward have this as a mechanic. it's lax at the beginning of the game but will get stricter as the game goes on, and HQ will absolutely raise alerts or send in additional teams based on guards not answering their radios (this may have been in MGS2 as well, I can't remember)

>knock out guard, never wakes up

every MGS has had guards who will eventually wake up on their own

i agree with the rest of your points at least

>>16473120

Wait, you think Wildlands is mechanically superior to MGSV? If so, I'd like to hear more about it. I was under the assumption that Wildlands was as generic a game as any.

>>16473109

yes, I'm well aware of those and that's why I said

>some may be absent from some specific games

but let me address them anyway

>i'd give you this one provided you are moving. human eyes need movement to see in dark conditions, and if someone is blended into the darkness and unmoving there is a pretty good chance you'll miss them

if I, as the player, am able to spot people in the dark, moving or not, they should too, and besides, at least in thief and splinter cell you can move in shadows just fine, even right next to guards in fact.

>going back to metal gear solid 2, if you lost your pursuers after an alert, if it was at all possible the guards would call in a clearing team to sweep the area (this was hyped to fuck pre-release, since they consulted and motion captured actual SWAT teams investigating and clearing rooms). in later MGS titles they would call in additional backup, bring a helicopter in to search the area etc and otherwise step up their patrols because they knew you were around

that was still evasion so technically not done with the whole alert thing, finished that they go into caution and then all is good and forgotten, water under a bridge.

>MGS3 and all games forward have this as a mechanic.

in fact, mgs2 had it too on higher difficulties. raise alert? no. send in guards to check? yes. all they do is look around, if the guy is sleeping they just wake him up and that's that, if he's missing they send in a replacement and that's that and if he's dead they go into caution and that's that. I don't particularly recall this being in either pw or mgs4 honestly, 5 I can't really speak since I've yet to play it. still, no other game has this.

>every MGS has had guards who will eventually wake up on their own

not if you stuff them in lockers lole! hitman doesn't unless they're found by another guard unconscious before you strip them of their clothes, thief definitely doesn't, can't remember if other guards did wake other guards up in chaos theory and before it but they definitely didn't wake up on their own.

>>16474726

Do you have autism?

>>16473208

If someone is found naked he's waken up and will rush to the closest wardrobe to get new clothes.

there was an oversight in whittleton creek where disguising yourself as the nig in coat and a turtleneck, the nig wouldn't be an enforcer against his own disguise.

>>16448485

>MGSV

>really good one worth playing

Only with mods, anon. The AI is fucking braindead unless you turn it's sight and hearing up.

>>16449315

The magic of it fizzles out depressingly fast once you realise you can get chased into a locker and the AI won't check it.

>>16448045

nothing is more stealth than the sage.

>>16448506

looks pretty cool. will have to check that game out

>>16448015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm3T72gwcDQ

Found about this game due to a streamer talking about it being shoaed and watched this review, seems decent.

>>16450269

what was wrong with d2? i only care about gameplay + level design, did it shit the bed?

You sneaky bastards don't even play 'Shoplifting Boy'

>>16494800

I played MGS3 extensively. It was stealth. So was MGS2. Cannot say about MGS1 because it was arcady experience, and cannot say anything about MGS4 because it was a movie.

MGSV is a different thing all together, its a third person shooter where ai is so shit, if you're fast enough you get high score even without being stealthy.

>>16483521

remember Fukushima every time you replay MGS2. He wrote all the weird dialogue in codec.

>>16494873

>Metal Gear Cutscenes 5

Am I being bullshitted? People on /v/ complained about the fucking lack of cutscenes.

>>16494873

Alien Isolation is survival stealth. MGSV is kaizen philosophy applied after 30 years of engineering just as Sekiro is the perfection of the From style.

>>16494844

I'm going to check it.

>>16494948

>MGS is a puzzle game

Subtler than "video games don't have to be games" but still obvious.

>>16494952

>vid related

>no video

I'm retarded

The genre is dead, anon. Let it go. Games like Plague Tale are the most you will get for stealth now.

https://sfx.thelazy.net/games/preset/6371/

Opinions?

>>16495002

>Realistic light mod

This is very interesting. I love SP CT.

>>16495002

I mean sure it looks half decent but the detection range is still wack. besides it's hard to tell how much of an improvement it is when there's no side to side comparison.

I like EVERY Splinter Cell game. Fight me if you dare

>>16495036

Sometimes I dream that Michael Ironside is in Blacklist and Conviction doesn't exist. except for the cooperative mode of the latter, which is a jouissance.

Also, new SC fucking when. Kojima is going to launch its new IP before Ubisoft publishes that title.

>>16495087

>new SC fucking when

Why do you want Splinter Cell from modern ubisoft?

>>16495121

>>16495112

I think sometimes you just have to make an old-fashioned video game.

No DLC, no multiplayer, just an entertaining video game where we can explore new ways of solving problems. Maybe that's what Ubi 10's needs.

>>16495145

Sure, but will they? No they wont

>>16495145

No chance that happens. A big budget stealth game would be nice, but no AAA dev/publisher will sign off on an exclusive stealth game, it would have to be like the shitty ones that have action as well. Which leads to pleasing no fan, the game being a jack of all trades and master of none.

>>16495199

Go back

>>16448633

>Most games with stealth mechanics, be those with optional/occasional stealth or those that advertise themselves as stealth games in the first place, often punish players who try to be a ghost and reward those who try to be rambo.

It's almost always the opposite. Rewards are gated behind perfect ghost or "virtuous" no kill runs. MGS is the perfect example of this ruining the game. Want to get the coolest codename/secret uniform/whatever the fuck? Better use no lethal weapons and make sure no one ever gets to raise an alarm. The irony is that MGS excels in the "Oh fuck they spotted me" phase of gameplay, which is when you need to think quickly and actually use all of the items at your disposal to minimize the time you are on alert. But if you do that, you don't get any unlocks, which annoys people like me who want to enjoy everything a game has to offer without playing it one specific fucking way.

The original Deus Ex did well here, not immediately rewarding or slapping the player just for being stealthy and allowing the player to find out what the consequences of their methods are organically. Nowadays we have to appeal to braindead morons who wouldn't otherwise play games, so we have to make sure they see a number go up when they did a stealth.

You know what? New Splinter Cell will be GR Wildlands reskin. I'm 80% sure.

>>16495691

Yeah, I too enjoyed MGSV in spite of everything about it. There was just so many enjoyable toys to play with. I quickly got bored of D-DOG even though he is cute because he is basically a radar bot which makes the game too easy. By the end of the game I was using the silenced 1911 and tons of gadgets, and I would always hide D-WALKER somewhere close with a missile launcher. That way if I fucked up or vehicles showed up unexpectedly, I could annihilate them and skate out of there. The game really benefited from the mission structure that graded you on individual missions instead of the entire playthrough. If only the content was complete and cohesive.

>>16496214

What's there to "lel" about? Don't tell me you don't recognize the 1911 because it has one of those fake names they use when they don't want to pay licensing fees.

>>16496450

>It looks nothing like a 1911

Not exactly easy to tell when the entire game is played in 3rd person and the menu icon is a wireframe profile shot. I also find it amusing that you'd pretend that the BHP and 1911 are vastly different guns.

>>16496440

And Ocelot is using the legendary TORNADO-6, which looks totally like Colt SAA.

The frankenguns are inexcusable abominations.

>>16496458

But they are vastly different guns. Yes the patron saint of repeating firepower worked on both, but the only part they really have in common is the tilting barrel and toggle assembly.

>>16496466

It was very fun abominations. I remember in the first month it was possible create a rocket launcher with the cadence of a assault rifle.

>>16496490

>>16496487

And you can see all of those mechanisms in MGSV to know it's a BHP? Whew, that's a lot of smoke you're blowing up my ass.

>>16449238

So your only criticism of Dishonored is it stars someone who isn't a white male?

Imagine being this insecure.

>>16496504

I already know I'm blind, the fact that I'm riding a bus right now instead of driving is a testament to that. I do think it's adorable that you think you know for sure that a fake gun in a video game made by nogunz Nips is a BHP based on internal mechanisms you can't see though.

>>16496498

Making suppressed, box-fed non-lethal rocket launchers was the only bit of fun i had in that shitheap.

>>16496529

But the High Power is just a 1911 in 9mm, right?

:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)

>>16496529

I'm just following the flow of the converaation. You mentioned internals, so now you have to own up to that. Why would you bring up a point that is meaningless and can't prove? Thanks for posting the render which you'd never be able to see up close ingame, though. Guess that means you were right.

>busrider

>reddit memes

Ah yes, you would buy into the depreciating scheme known as an automobile. Good choice, I'm sure you've made someone's bar mitzvah very special. I'll just be over here, staying fit by walking.

>>16496571

>never be able to see up close

Nigger, that's not a render, that's from the customize your shit screen, the game has a first person view, and Vic Boss points the gun at the camera from short range in every other cutscene in the game, as it's the default pistol he has in cutscenes.

>>16496578

I'm also forgetful.

>>16496594

Just walked into my WiFi range, ignore the ID switch.

>>16496621

>heheh you replied to a different id :^)

Nice try dumbass, but you mentioned it here, after knowing that you were not the first person to mention it:

>>16496529

Why did you derisively refer to the mentioning of internals, after you had read my post to the other guy? Unless... you didn't read the argument before jumping in and are now deflecting to my "ID misread."

>>16495691

>cuckchan filename

>cuckchan spoilers

>shit opinions

Why am I not surprised

>>16453095

>>16453126

>>16453408

some times I would get board and teach newfags on the game how to stealth bank robberies, it's tedious enough robbing the whole thing inside of 15 minutes without the police on your ass. I stopped playing that game a while ago.

>>16448015

5 million to 1 odds that op has never played Alpha Protcool, and is in fact a faggot.

>>16501301

Burger King is the only fast food restaurant I can eat at. Then again, the only things I've gotten from there are the chicken fingers and a milkshake

>>16496512

You can still cheat to restore that bug.

Konami won't ban you, they never do. My FOBs get invaded by people who took 1 second to cross 4 decks every day.

>>16460137

>It also still had mark and execute

Stop playing on Easy/Normal

>>16448485

might wanna replace unity with odyssey, they actually made stealth not shit. also sekiro has stealth and it helps a lot, and unlike most stealth games you can't be fast crouched for effective stealth kills, you need to slowly approach them.

90% of games itt are not stealth.

>>16448114

That's nothing.

Have the purest form of autism I've ever found.

Watch it all, it becomes art.

>>16460205

They're good, but easy.

It's fun just to walk in and kill the target with whatever you find lying around though.

>>16448042

>There is no such thing as a good Japanese game.

Back to >>>/cuckchan/

>>16511783

>what is PUBG

a less fun arma battle royale.

not a stealth game fag

>>16507801

2 is good and the cucked stuff is beneath the surface, if I'm remembering correctly. Didn't play DotO but will do at some point.

I'm not even a stealth fan and I feel bad for those who also saw the writing on the wall with shit like Conviction. Think about it. Stealth is about not getting caught because it means death or more commonly, failing the mission because you have specific orders. What happens when you make a selling point of "no more rules, just go in guns ablaze as a rogue agent if you have to for results"?

>>16453941

Personally, I don't understand the obsession with births. What we should be doing is focusing on prolonging the lives of people that are already doing important work or set a standard that can't feasibly be replaced for whatever shitty personal reasons rather than making more retards. And unless you were already a faggot, no water is turning you into another because I drink nearly gallons everyday and I'm still obsessed with tits and idealize feminine traits, I'm just helpfully not spreading my flawed genes.

>>16511820

>>16507801

>2 is good and the cucked stuff is beneath the surface

No it's not and no it isn't.

What was really great about the 1st was that everything was induced and it let the player make their own deductions.

Even the chaos thing, you're not punished for playing high chaos, the world gets "darker" but that's it.

And oftentimes NOT killing target landed them a far far far worse fate (one get sex slaved, one ends up a mad hobo, the assassin, the only one that actually show remorse get a whole character arc to repent, etc…).

The second is complete moralfagging and handholding.

You killed the guards that betrayed you and killed all your friend/entourage? You murdered the witches that openly rip innocent people apart? You don't want to give the EVIL WITCH everything she wants?

Welp you're a tyrant now.

Fuck you game!

In the first game it's kind of understandable that the "best" way is to stay out of sight and resolve things with a lighter touch, since you're out to prove your innocence and make a counter-coup in an already suffering city.

In the second it isn't. You've got a literal EVIL WIZARD that is usurping your RIGHTFUL throne quite openly.

Anyone that does work for her is fucking fair game as far as ANY moral code goes, fucking Wehrmacht conscripts are lesser bad guys.

You don't have any reason motivation to kill basically anyone in the first one, except for convenience sake's.

And in the first one the game barely judges you for it.

In the second the game you're given all the motivation in the world… and then it tells you, you were bad.

Also they retconned the 1st and it's expansion.

It's pretty clear in the 1st that Delilah ISN'T the daughter of the old emperor.

She just deluded herself into thinking she is because he was nice to her and she was used as a childhood friend for the future empress. It's her tantrum that get them expelled and kills her mother, in the same way she's deluded by the empress "betrayal" of her when they were kids. And the trauma and delusion is how she build herself back up.

It's great fucking writing about a believable narcissistic disorder.

And they shat all over with the second for "muh women" as the whole narration is setting up the old emperor as the true bad guy, not the person that killed thousands, killed your mother, tried to possess you and then kill you.

Dishonored 2 is pozzed beyond saving.

>>16516926

The plywood levels in HI™AN are the best tutorial levels certainly in hitman series, potentially in all of stealth games

Horizon Zero Dawn had some p gud Stealth. I wish I had gotten it earlier, instead of when I heard Kojima was gonna use the engine for DS, but still. Underrated game, hope it gets a sequel.

>>16520930

No.

I wish I had a goblin slayer folder.

>>16521140

Goblins are a stand in for niggers and the older goblins for jews.

ITT: people complaining about how stealth is unrealistic and how dumb and predictable ai are, and how adding things that are realistic could make the game better, even though the unrealistic and predictable part is the only thing that make a stealth game fun

>>16524243

Are there any other anime that are basically D&D like GS? Like with the showing the stat cards and characters talking about getting exp?

>>16524252

Yeah SAO is bad. Maybe I'm just better off looking for good medieval adventure anime.

>>16524243

>Isekai

do you just spout moonrunes and not realize the meaning of it

>>16524310

>The majority of Isekai involve medieval fantasy with an RPG-like structure

wrong

>>16524243

Why does that white guy in the beck have a boner?

>>16524310

Goblin Slayer is not an isekai.

>>16521043

6/10 bait

>>16524589

If you want ugly shekelgrubbing women >>>/jewess/ is that way.

>>16525319

>2 + 2 = 4

<thats not an argument!!

Are you pretending to be retarded or is it genuine?

>>16525346

Consider yourself baited

>>16520930

That guy is the only exception for me. That one and the goblin king from love live and goblin universe, the book.

I think Ronin is worth trying. Stealth isn't always a 100% option, but sightlines are easily broken which enables cool combos from behind. The turn based movement works quite well.

>>16530539

I remember being a retard babby playing Pandora Tommorow during one of those jungle missions, failing several times early on. Then, I decided to fucking sit and wait for half an hour till the in game sun went down, making it piss easy the rest of the way. Any game that does shadows well is a must see for me.

>>16526526

They've always had those attitudes towards those people.

>>16448510

she has resting bitch face

>>16530539

AI should also appropriately react to shadows, environmental changes, and silhouettes.

>>16448032

Shit I've gone full spook then.

>>16517652

>introductory level opinion

>>16448102

Makes me think of a more simple version of duskers.

I cannot believe this thread is still up. The stealth genre is never coming back unless it is implemented into other genres or is completely simplistic so that anybody can feel cool stealthing through it. Key being on FEELING COOL while playing it. Meaning they probably wouldn't allow for players to ghost their way through so that you can feel awesome when you sneak up to get that kill.

>>16600814

I want a stealth game that forces players to use their tools/powers. Fuck ghosting, its always the same.

>>16448015

Good stealth games are merely hiding from you.

Gitgud OP

>>16449238

the only good thing about this game is that it finally ditched that obnoxious chaos morality system.

>>16453170

I think HR and MD are pretty ridiculous since you can just activate silent footsteps and cloak, then just sprint past the entire level while only using a few biocells.

>>16601342

If you’re too good at killing in Hitman 1 and 2, NPCs will magically compromise you through walls. It only matters when you’re “not playing the way the game wants you to play”, but it’s fucking annoying.

>>16558344

>drowning niggers in toilets in ultra HD

Angry goy 3 looking good.

The plywood levels are great

Styx is the only hardcore stealth game that exists now.

>>16605195

Is there a mod that turns suit Raiden into 47?

>>16605474

>Agent 47 disguises himself as a tranny to fit in with the designers

Missed opportunity in the Paris mission tbh

>>16605503

You can dress up as a metrosexual model, IOI did level design off of online pictures only so they might've been behind on the fashion trends

>>16605533

>You can dress up as a metrosexual model,

I know, but I honestly think that a tranny would've been funnier and more fitting.

>>16605555

Nice quads.

Is sierra knox (the target from Miami) a tranny? half of missions in season 1 had a jew as one of the target, (((margolis))), (((morgan))), (((BERG)))

>member of globohomo elite

>endurance racer

>0 femininity

>constantly butthurt and abusive

>>16605702

Maybe, Hitman has always been about killing degenerates.

I'm playing BM right now. I think half of the targets are pedophiles and homosexuals.

>>16606006

The targets in "Curtains down" are gay pedophiles

Why do stealth games sell poorly? They can't find their audience.

>>16588742

>duskers

Isn't there stealth mecanics in duskers? I swear there was clocking and baiting modules in that game. Hell of a game nonetheless, one of the few indie games that tries something new in setting and game mode while still being a fun game.

>>16524058

Just make good games, if your ai is too realistic then make the tools for stealth more efficient. Invisibility, self-shrinking, actual distractions rather than throwing x, etc. Just make the stealth guy have cool abilites either through science or magic, balance it out with limits so the game is a challenge, bam good game.

>>16588672

Testing for an image bot?

Two last missions in Blood Money (Dance With the Devil and Amendment XXV) are nearly impossible to ghost in Suit Only but I manage to do it on expert difficulty and savescumming.

Nobody on youtube has done it, all just run past enemies, abusing broken 'never spotted' system.

>>16601407

>splinter cell mobile

my fucking sides

mobile fags think they are gamers

>>16608984

I was thinking about a stealth game that fits that criteria. It'd be all about time manipulation, powers you unlock as you progress through the game. You're first one is a reset, which allows you to go back to your start/stop point (its just an in-game way to explain saving and even savescumming). You get the usual ones, slow down time, freeze time, speed up or slow down specific objects and enemies or even yourself for physics based platforming/puzzles and exploration and even something like King Crimson from JoJo: being able to erase time and look into the future. The AI and level design would not allow you to go "pure", you'd have to use these powers you gain and even some tools you pick up too.

The powers would have a resource that drains on usage, needing refills that are not all too common or you can kill to refill it completely. The guard AI would be tough and sophisticated, not falling for the thrown rock trick more than once, calling for back up. On alert, they will change their patterns and stations and lock down the person/object they are guarding, forcing the player into a new approach, perhaps a more aggressive one. Good sound design/engine like Thief to incorporate a lot of potential with audio for the player to use and abuse, light and dark meter.

>>16627666

Thanks satan, but It looks identical to the unlockable one.

>>16627723

It's buttoned!

IOI will reveal new location today. Stream starts in 8 minutes

>>16448189

Damn this is a lot sadder than I thought it would be. The stealth genre deserves better than this modern shitty industry.

>>16632089

>Putting all that cool shit in a game that incentivizes avoiding all combat and killing only your target/s

how do we save stealth bros? I dont want it to die forever like survival horror and RTS

>>16628124

Never played the game on Extreme, have you?

Ideas that have yet to be attempted:

A Stealth Game with a Style Meter

Cultural and Societal Stealth (having to imitate behaviour)

>>16635244

Why can you see throught walls….