/v/ - Video Games

Japanese is a gross slant language.

Go learn Finnish or Hungarian if you want a good Asianatic language.

>>16341224

elmész az anyádba te fasszopó geci, ne it basszad a rezet a faszságaiddal a kurva életbe te nyomorék, hogy nem folytál volna le apád lábán amikor még folyékony voltál

>>16341207

I wouldn't care too much about readings, knowing the readings are useless in themselves. If you see a kanji in multiple words, you'll slowly learn the most common reading anyways.

>>16341224

Too an extent, i dont disagree but the challenge of it has kept me around to keep learning. The language may be retarded because of kanji, but its fun to practice.

Are the light novels sold on amazon for the kindle text with images (real ebook style) or all images (fuckload of jpegs in a .mobi)?

I assume a light novel would be text with images but I wouldn't be that surprised if they fucked it up. If it is text, why are 99+% of the light novels on pantsu archives of images? I can't think of any reason to prefer scanned text rather than the text itself. I thought piratefags would be on this shit, less filesize to download/upload/store, more useful, costs less than physical copies, don't have to microwave it and scan the pages, and so on.

Also, I've seen some manga with kindle versions. I'm sure they aren't autism-tier 4k scans, but other than that have no clue. Here's my main questions about the manga:

Are they scans or digital?

If they're jpegs, are artifacts noticeable?

What resolution do they come in?

>>16341810

>牛 has vertical stroke 3rd

4th. I meant 4th

>>16341810

Fuck the stroke orders. Not even remotely importantly.

>>16341810

The Gyakuten Saiban games are ported to 3DS, Gyakuten Kenji aren't. Don't really like Layton but I've been meaning to try Hotel Dusk, thanks.

>how do you remember this shit?

Lots of practice. 右, 有, and 布 start with the vertical stroke, 左, and 友 start with the horizontal stroke.

>>16341810

>>16341832

>>16341844

Most of that is pretty unimportant. Which order you write the down stroke in 牛 doesn't really affect anything about the final character. I think things like 斤 and 厂 actually are somewhat important because stroke order and direction there determines what kind of mistakes you frequently see in handwriting. The first two strokes of 斤 are basically a single line and might often be drawn as a single stroke. The result is that that corner always matches up perfectly. If done correctly, 厂 cannot be made from a single line, and the corner will frequently not match up when poorly written (either producing a gap or an intersection).

>>16341888

>はか

Is it normal to archive previous threads? Seems someone did just that and I'd like previous tips to be preserved in some way.

http://archive.is/Xs8Dx

>>16342540

8chan has an automatic archive, you know.

So what's a good method to learn writing kanji? It seems i can't just do with recognition alone.

>>16342606

You can learn stroke order from just about any kanji learning tool. There are some oddities like mentioned above, but generally after you write out a lot you can usually guess the correct order or at least the stroke count of new kanji with good accuracy. Pick a resource you like and start writing them out a lot. You could try writing full sentences out too.

>>16342763

Alright then, I'll start writing the vocabulary that I find while reading. And one final question, is getting to know the radicals/parts of the kanji worthwhile? After learning that some radicals are actually modified forms of kanji and actually might point to the meaning I thought I'd spend time learning them all but if what they said above about stroke order being altered then maybe it's not that useful.

>>16341595

>This manga is among the, if not the easiest I've ever read for anyone seeking an easy read. There's a couple lines using (iirc) Kyuushuu dialect that might throw you off, but mostly simple.

Thx for the recommendation anon, I definitely need more retard friendly manga.

>>16341601

How do you play ds games on a 3ds?

Thought that was impossible.

>>16343086

Yes my 3DS has CFW.

Yes I know it can theoretically play DS games.

But I thought you need a flashcard for that.

>>16343086

>>16343520

I'm obviously talking about piracy btw, since anon said

>play DS games from 3DS CFW

>>16343611

gbatemp.net/threads/ds-i-3ds-twilight-menu-gui-for-ds-i-games-and-ds-i-menu-replacement.472200/

I think that is probably what you are looking for.

>>16343611

>>16343520

There was a DS loader in development at least a year ago, and that was not enough to run most games but was for the Tetris TGM homebrew.. No idea if it's improved but get an R4i Gold otherwise.

>>16341601

Gyrozetter

Girls Mode　series

女の子と密室にいたら○○しちゃうかもしれない (an adventure game where you have to write out the object you want to interact with in Nipponese)

>>16341224

>Not learning as many languages as possible

>>16343804

Yeah, this one.

>>16341858

They're supposed to be 2 distinct strokes, but in cursive, the entire character seems to be drawn in one stroke anyway.

https://kakijun.jp/page/0457200.html

>>16344763

Duolingo sends data to facebook

>サンキュー事故

>(n) traffic accident caused by a driver thanking another driver for letting him go first at a junction

why is this so funny

>>16341224

>no Finnish or Hungarian anime

>>16341888

>ワープロ墓

oh…

>>16341601

> Tendo Dokuta

Now "Lifesigns" is something I distinctly remember as being not particularly good, but it's the translation that took it to "kind of painful". I am rather happy that I am only recognizing some of the screenshots, since that's the best I can hope for.

Kanken Premium

>>16344763

They have very little explicit instruction, and the ammount that they do have (which is a recent addition) is terrible; it's lacking a lot of information, is extremely over simplified and is often just outright incorrect. Not to mention, even on their most popular course (Spanish) they stop giving any explicit notes at all before you get to any of the particularly advanced topics where they're needed most.

All of that is because their focus is and has always been teaching through context, which is what the OP refers to. It has been repeatedly scientifically shown, for decades, that trying to teach adults that way is terribly ineffective if you're doing anything short of full immersion, which even then will probably not yield the best results possible. regardless, products selling it have skyrocketed in the last decade, because they are perceived/sell themselves as easy/natural ways to learn a language.

There are a lot more people who want to be able to speak a language but, the amount of effort they're willing to put in hasn't risen much. Most of these people are Anglophones who didn't like they're foreign language class in high school, and are convinced that because they didn't like it, the methodology must be wrong, so they lap up products like Duolingo because they think it will let them learn without any of the icky grammar that they convinced themselves that they hate in high school.

Hey you guys have a good sauce for what Radical's look like in kanji e.g.　水 is only the left 3 dots like here 活.

>>16346563

https://jisho.org/search/*%E5%81%8F%20radical

>>16346589

I see. Thank you.

>>16347148

It's an conjugated verb, lad. Don't just learn vocab without grammar.

>>16347166

>an

fug always proofread after changing the wording

>>16347166

Well shit, thread OP has always said you could learn either at your pace, so I figured putting the words together would be easier if I knew what the words were first, but ok, guess I gotta do both now from the start if I want to make full use of either? Not that I'm going to complain about that, just that that's not the vibe I had been getting from the threads, what little I've lurked

>>16347192

You'll have a hard time understanding anything if you have zero grammar knowledge. Verbs have various conjugations, that's one of the first things you learn about them. To put it differently, suppose that on an english learning thread you ask that you saw "to eat" in a dictionary, but in the example sentence it's "eating", and what is it.

Japanese grammar is pretty simple and regular (well, at least the basics), while vocab is a never ending story. Don't wait with grammar until you finish learning the words, because you won't do that.

>>16347222

Yeah that makes sense. I think I tried going through some textbooks on grammar before, but they used kanji without any translation or readings, so I thought I would have to know a little before stepping. Hopefully Tae Kim is a bit different, thanks for the help

are there any non-weeb reasons to learn Japanese?

>>16347240

No

>>16347231

Tae Kim has kanji in the examples but there is a short vocab list with readings for in every chapter.

"Japanese the Manga Way" has much simpler examples so maybe read through that book first.

>>16347240

Travel, general interest in how languages work (i find it interesting at least), conversations with natives etc.

>>16347240

Learning a language, any language, is good for your mental health in general.

If you're interested in the literature of a specific country, it's particularly satisfying to read it in the native language.

Popular media is usually just a gateway.

>>16347240

>are there any non-weeb reasons to learn world's the hardest language?

If you cannot find one, you are going to regret learning it.

>>16347192

Personally I think the op would be better off stripped down to just the itazuraneko site. Most if not all of the resources in the op are all contained within it, except more organized and sometimes with a nice brief explanation about them. Never actually read text but as you've indicated it's just plain wrong with regard to what you've mentioned. That should absolutely be removed or fixed so that nobody else gets the bad instruction you did.

>>16347380

It could probably use a rewriting. I haven't modified it much from the last person who made the threads regularly, and I don't know if they were the one who made it either, so it could have gone a long time without substantial changes. If anyone wants to make a better version then go for it.

>>16347343

>Japanese is hard

I dislike this meme. Just because something takes time doesn't mean it's difficult. It's like saying that it's hard to eat a 2-year-supply of peanut butter because you can't do it in a week.

>>16347148

It's not yaro.u, it's yarō, a conjugated form (the plain volitional) of yaru.

>>16347192

Yes, it's a much better idea to learn vocab and grammar concurrently.

>>16347240

Japan is the world's third or fourth largest economy (depending on the metric), and the largest economy of a non-English speaking country that isn't a shithole (China, and by some metrics India, are technically larger economies). If you work in an industry like electronics and don't want to be the poor fucker who has to deal with the Chinese or Indians, Japanese is a great résumé language

>>16347148

You don't need grammar to learn vocab, but you do need grammar to understand the example sentences.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/desire#Making_a_motion_to_do_something_using_the_volitional_form_casual

>>16347240

I find it difficult to categorize every kind of Japanese learner or even Japanophile as a weeb. but you are in /v/, so no

If you wanna nerd out over Meiji era haikara aesthetic or some shit, go for it.

>>16347484

Eating a ton of peanut butter would be pretty hard. After a weak or two of that shit you'd want to throw up at the thought of it, which is about how if feels to do Anki every day.

>>16348134

Only in the beginning, or if you've poorly scheduled your new cards so you have hour+ long reviews every day.

I tried Mother 2 and couldn't stand the font. Was not looking forward to grinding through that with the slow walk speed if I could barely read it. Do any of the rereleases fix that?

What is the best method of learning this shit without a srs/computer.

I've tried to learn nip and quit about 3 times now and it's always because i keep fucking around when i should be reading and memorizing shit, i can't trust myself to do what i should be doing when around a computer.

Is this clip even remotely accurate? I wanted a translation for some time and I'd hate to be bamboozled.

>>16348141

I don't know about that. I've been using anki every day for like two years straight now and I'm getting pretty sick of it. My reviews + making new cards doesn't even take that long, the shit just gets old after awhile.

>>16349096

You could grab physical copies of grammar guides and kanji books, vocabulary might be an issue though. If you're not able to find the motivation to study though you may just not have the desire to learn.

>>16349096

If you want to learn from one source and don't want to use electronics at all, I recommend buying a physical copy of Genki and making physical flashcards for the vocab and kanji in it. If you're willing to invest in more than one source I'd recommend adding a couple grammar reference books, because Genki's largest flaw is that the grammar information in it is often over simplified, and cross referencing with other sources will help you suss out an accurate understanding.

Get a notebook for it. For each grammar lesson, write your understanding of how it works in your own words, partially because making yourself articulate it will help you understand it, and also to use as a reference for yourself later. Do the exercises in the back of the chapters (as many as you can) in the notebook too.

>>16349096

How about you solve your lack of concentration instead? The computer is invaluable for language learning.

>>16349100

Well I only gave it a few glances here and there… I'll give it "remotely" just because of the translation horrors I've seen on YouTube.

The English is more closely related to the Chinese interpretation, basically.

>>16348134

Anki only sucks if

>your cards are too difficult

>you take more than about an hour per day

>you use it after the point you don't need to

>you have a retard's attention span

>>16346295

Your summary looks accurate.

>>16353925

Why the fuck do you have so many new cards when you're already at over an hour a day?

>>16347240

So you can be in the Yakuza

Is there a Rikaichan for Brave?

>>16354119

I have the same amount of new cards as before, it just happened that I've got a lot of "I fail them 50+ times in a single day" now. Plus I've already decreased the number of new cards a few weeks before, so I'm mowing an even more snail slow speed now…

>>16355489

I would lower them to zero until you get over your slump or whatever. Spending too much time on Anki is a surefire way of burning out.

>>16353925

>>16355489

Something about that accuracy level seems absurdly low. I don't know what your cards are like, so maybe your average 5 seconds a card is perfectly acceptable, but I can't help but feel like you're systematically fucking yourself somehow.

I'm still so goddamn confused about how the actual understanding process happens. Like I think there are often times I pretty much understand some dialogue in a manga panel without "very consciously" translating it into English in my head, but I often get unsure and then do that process just to be safe - but it's also a pain in the ass, especially finding grammatically correct equivalents and accounting for every subtle nuance that would inevitably be redundant in a non-literal interpretation. It's unfun, but I can't be sure I actually know/understand what I'm reading until I do that translation process

>>16355742

>literally just the fucking word

Have you considered having it in a sentence? The vast majority of the time you see a word, it's used in a sentence. Doing that also gives more context, which makes it easier. Why not learn it that way?

>>16355742

>>16355760

Simple is good. If he truly knows a word he should know it even without context. Learning it in a sentence is good, hopefully he's doing that, but optimally he should learn it while reading and simply review it in Anki. Sentence cards are just going to make his daily Anki times skyrocket. If he's going to be spending all that time reading, it should be new material and not the same sentences over and over. If he's like me though, then the example sentence is on the back of the card and only used for reference in the case that he has forgotten the word.

>>16355659

I've found myself consciously translating less as time goes on. It seems to be something that just happens naturally over time. I do the same thing too where sometimes I'll need to reread something slowly to make sure I actually got it. Being that Japanese is such a different language from English, there often times isn't a great natural sounding equivalent for things, but as long as you understand the general meaning and intent it's probably best not to dwell on it for too long.

>>16355760

I've tried sentences, but what I figured out that in that case I only really learn the sentence, not the word itself, which is completely useless unless I happen to find the exact same sentence.

>>16354818

He asked about Japanese, not Korean.

>>16347240

business reasons, sure you might not be in demand as someone speaking Mandarin but you don't have to live in China also

>>16355793

thanks for the reply. That helped me a lot

>>16355608

Do you have kanjidamage materials?

>>16355803

Given how ambiguous Japanese words are, you need at least a dozen example sentences per word to get a proper sense of its meaning anyhow.

>>16355775

>>16355803

One thing that worked very well for me is to put both the word and the sentence on the card but make the sentence a little smaller and distance it from the word; this way I can try to recall the solution with the word alone but use the sentence for help if it doesn't work. Of course, you need to personally judge whether to pass or redo that word if you used the sentence.

>>16355659

from my personal experience, it goes like

learn a rule > understand the rull > be able to apply the rule (consciously) > able to apply the rule quickly > applying the rule becomes a reflex > applying the rule becomes natural

Same process for translations of individual words. the only way to move from one step to the other is practice, and you might have to do it separately in each language context (reading/writing/speaking/listening)

>>16357771

Yes reading is important, but you should get your reading practice from something other than Anki. It's not like there is a shortage of Japanese material to practice with.

Anki is just for routine review of the basics.

Whites are going extinct, and Japan is the best non-white nation.

>>16357771

>Drilling the same sentences is a helpful part of training both.

Again, I don't think nearly as much so as with unique sentences. That wasted time adds up. Take 30 minutes a day spent on single word cards, and let's be quite generous and say you spent 45 minutes on the same amount of sentences cards. 1 year later you've spent about 90 hours rereading old material. Time spent not learning new material. Not furthering your understanding of those words by seeing them used in a variety of contexts, deepening your personal connection to words through new, fun experiences, thus bettering your recognition and, by extension, reading speed. The guy not wasting 15 minutes a day has the potential to read entire novels more, think about the effects of that in the long run. It's not like you up and forget the ways and context words are used in just because during review you don't always experience that directly.

>>16357993

japs are the whitest non white. they got ancient white blood

>>16357993

this is an example of bad bait

do not be an idiot like

>>16358049

thank you and goodnight

>>16358049

The Jomon share genes with European whites. It's also rumored that Bushido code was formed by vikings that somehow found their way into Japan and taught them how to fight. Sounds like some we waz kangs shit to me though

>>16356159

No but I'll proper look into it and come back with it if I get any.

>>16358038

Learn a langauge how you learnt it when you were a child. For me I didn't understand the rules of english (still don't really) but I heard it everyday, read books and what not. You just pick up shit by memorisation. You have to become japanese to learn japanese. Only watch, read and listen to Japanese until you forget English itself!

>>16358038

Sentence cards don't have to be long. Remembering a word in context may take less time than one without context, which could make up for any time 'lost' reading the sentence. Also, you could have audio on the back of the card, which could help with learning how it is pronounced instead of how you think it should be pronounced.

>>16358547

Children and adults learn language differently. The "learn like children" thing is not good advice.

>>16359100

>superpower by 2020

Reposting this here since anons on the Share thread doesn't seem to care.

I have some links of NTSC-J PS2 games but they are all on Baidu.

I'm willing to post more them as soon as someone can download and reupload them on Mega or other English-friendly filehoster.

Here's one link to try:

Kenka Banchou [NTSC-J] [SLPM-65974]

http://pan.baidu.com/s/1ntt5g4D

Can't do it myself, JDownloader keeps failing.

>>16358547

Children learn languages far too slowly. Use the advantages given to you by age so as not to be speaking like a grade-schooler years in. That aside, by and large what I typically advocate is to mostly learn naturally through exposure, only plus the benefit of using your adult brain with a side of textbooks for aid when you get stuck as well as to build up a solid foundation from which you can get a good starting foothold from.

>>16358550

No, but it can still take twice+ the time to read 4-8 words rather than 1. Overly short sentences like some of the ones you find in core also aren't always great because they don't always provide a good context. Once more, you aren't remembering a word out of context, you just aren't constantly reviewing it in context. You are (if you're doing it right) still learning it in context. You've still experienced, and will continue to experience through further exposure, what particles it can use, what connotations it has, and all of that jazz. It'll all still be part of your register. And more so than someone spending their time rereading things instead of becoming more experienced by reading new things. Seeing a word used twenty different times will do more for your understanding of that word than seeing it used once a hundred times. If and when you do just outright forget a word 100%, then at that point you could spend a few seconds in a dictionary, complete with example sentences, but otherwise it's unnecessary to spend so much extra time. You can have audio for single word cards too.

How the fuck are people getting 5 or 10 second times per card? I'm having difficulty staying below 30 seconds per card and my sessions keep dragging out for hours.

>>16360008

A child's brain processes more information both in terms of speed and volume then an adult until 4-6 years of age, then it rapidly depreciates as they grow older. Don't overestimate your physiology just because you forgot what it was like to know nothing and have to learn from observing.

>>16360025

It should only take a few seconds to realize if you know the word or not.

>>16360025

What's your review process like? For a vocabulary card what I would typically do is look at the word, say the reading aloud or in my head, think of the meanings, then mark the card. Might take a couple seconds unless I was stumped and insistent on trying to recall it.

>>16360045

I don't really understand the point of your post. I'm not making little of how kids pick things up, but an adult can use their prior knowledge to learn a language much more efficiently. I could easily out-read a 4 year old 1 year into study. They learn quick for learning from nothing, but learning from nothing is a stupid choice when you have a choice to do otherwise.

>>16360046

>>16360103

That might explain a bit of it. I usually let myself try for some period of time to remember a card before marking it, perhaps much longer than I should.

>>16360025

Maybe they are using kanjidamage.

>>16362506

That reminds me – I've seen some posts over the last couple of threads, or rather, the aftermath of it, anons yelling at someone who was promoting Kanjidamage, all of whose posts were deleted by the time I read through it. I've been using it for kanji in addition to my vocabulary deck. Is there some notable problem with it, or was it just a matter of spam?

>>16362736

He keeps spamming it for some reason.

>>16362736

> Is there some notable problem with it

It's ran by leftist jews who hate whites.

http://www.might be a bot, summon Mark to correct/kanji/31-white-%E7%99%BD

>>16362925

Yeah, that's annoying. I've been replacing those mnemonics as I've ran across them. With how much they seem to mention rappers I had figured the site was run by a nigger, or something.

>>16367629

>KIDF just getting warmed up to defend a website for subhumans to learn a language that's big on respect, using borderline ebonics

>>16362736

>>16367629

It's excellent when it comes to teaching how to learn Chinese characters by their components (the "official" way of studying is full retard) but wrong on other matters, like not knowing what jukujikun is or saying stuff like "on'yomi is as "Chinese" as the phrase ching chong" (it's based off middle Chinese and I can clearly see correspondences between varieties of Chinese after studying enough patterns).

>>16367678

What's the official way?

>>16362925

MAAAAAAARK

>>16367875

Writing them 9001 times each?

I can't believe how bad Tae Kim's example senteces are. :\

>Person who did not eat dinner went to the bank she saw at movie

Mate…. come on

>>16368496

He uses more literal translations to help you understand how the grammar works.

>>16367875

As explained on the website, learning them as if you were learning words in an alphabetical language, where you'd often end up learning a whole complex character first and then it's individual components later. When learning Chinese characters, it makes more sense to pay attention to form and components first over their meaning.

>>16369483

Nobody cares.

>>16368797

imo a literal translation still has to be a technically grammatically correct translation. It sounds like wants to use a gloss but doesn't think beginners would bother to understand it or doesn't know what they are, so he just uses this middle ground that is neither a valid translation nor an unambiguous rendition of the structure of the Japanese sentence.

If it were me I would follow the usual format of a sentence followed by a gloss followed by a literal translation.

>>16369511

kanjidamage cares. *sniff*

>>16368496

>>16369689

literal translations are an invaluable tool for learning. shame language courses of today shun them (usually because to avoid retards complaining when they get marked wrong for blindly using word-for-word translations)

>imo a literal translation still has to be a technically grammatically correct translation.

that sometimes isn't possible when 2 languages have different ways of expressing the same thing. Take French's "avoir envie de" ("feel like [doing sth]", "have a desire to"):

I saw "J'ai envie de vomir" translated as "I feel nauseous". It's not 'wrong' per se, but the original structure becomes lost in translation and you don't learn anything. So you can use a more literal translation:

J'ai envie de vomir -> "I have want to puke"

it looks horrible, but you can get a rough idea how "avoir envie de" works and what the words actually mean.

And sure, you can say "I have a desire to puke" or "I want to puke" but they sound kinda funny to me, especially the former which says that you want to puke voluntarily. Moreover, "I want to puke" literally translates to "Je veux vomir", which may also give the impression that you want to puke voluntarity.

TL;DR stop making a fuss over nothing

>>16370131

I don't consider "I have want to puke" to be strictly grammatically incorrect so long as you allow want to be reinterpreted as a mass noun. You could also use the direct translation "I have desire to puke" while in English "desire" wouldn't normally be used this way, this sentence is still what I mean by strictly grammatically correct, in that it does not violate the syntax or morphology of English.

But when he says something like 'I'm going to omit all articles because Japanese doesn't have them", your translations aren't going to be grammatically correct. The use of articles in English is strictly governed and the article system contains a null article whose use is as strictly governed as "the" and "a(n)". When you say 'I'm just gonna drop them', you have probably changed the meaning of the sentence to some degree, made it unnecessarily hard to parse, and perhaps made it impossible to interpret unambiguously or even correctly. I.e. omitting the articles doesn't "preserve the Japanese meaning" because the lack of ome (I.e. the null article) either conveys a different, specific meaning or conveys no meaning necessarily because it's incorrect and depends upon the reader to correct it in a particular way.

>>16360046

You're doing it wrong if you do it that way. You need to make sure you know how to read it, and make sure you understand all its contextual meanings, which can only be done by reading multiple sentences, which should take you at least around 30 seconds.

>>16371211

You learn context from actually reading stuff, not from daily Anki reviews.

Can you guys help a begginer out?

"きっと言うから… あなたのおかげで幸せだったって…"

I can't make sense of the から.

Without it my translation was: "I'm will surely say… Thanks to you I was happy."

>>16358553

Russia people is like black but wrong color by accident.

>>16376712

It's the "because" から which is preceded by some reasoning and followed by the result or what have you, only the result need not always be said when the general idea can be understood through the context. I'm supposing the line is someone reassuring somebody, so basically what would follow から would be a "give them some time" or "don't worry" sentiment. It doesn't make much of a difference here, but just for future reference, it's always easier to understand and help when you have some context rather than just a one-off line.

>>16355054

>>16378364

I can't touch kanji yet, have a lot of grammar to learn yet.

Using Tae Kim's guide and some youtubers lessons took me very far, but lately the lessons just don't seem to stick. That's why I'm training using manga with furigana.

>>16379078

>I can't touch kanji yet, have a lot of grammar to learn yet.

What kind of stupid logic is that? Kanji is the thing you should be doing every day from the start and it is the easiest thing to follow a daily routine by doing it during openings of time or whenever.

>>16379078

Don't bother responding to the kanjidamagefag, they've just been spamming the threads with bullshit.

>>16379078

>>16379126

The logic isn't there, but I wouldn't say that about kanji either when you could do vocabulary. There's a lot more of it to be learned, it's generally more helpful, and you can pick up on some kanji naturally through them all the while. Grammar is the more important of the three in my opinion but there's no good reason to ignore everything else. You need some of everything to start properly using the language and that's what you should be aiming for.

>>16379453

Search for the word in the browser and if you can find it there's some options under 'card' to reschedule it to appear when you want. If it's too impractical to search you could make the card yourself and delete the existing one when it finally pops up.

So Manga translated is essentially comics right?

Is it improper to use it interchangeably?

Where can I find the JP dub of king of the hill?

>>16379612

Studyabroadfag here.

People use 漫画 adn コミック pretty interchangeably. The only real difference is that 漫画 is obviously more Japanese-sounding.

>>16379612

>JP dub of king of the hill?

>not the superior Japanese Dub of 24 with Jack Bauer played by Rikiya Koyama

Pleb.

>>16379972

The only difference is that manga is a chink loanword and komikku is an English loanword. Neither is yamato kotoba and thus not really "Japanese" sounding.

>>16380158

>tfw want to suck a big ween

>>16380188

でかちんをフェラーしたい気分

>>16379560

I'm not sure I see what you're talking about. I found one of the cards I want and I see a cards menu but I don't see anything obvious showing how I can reschedule it.

>>16380158

>mutilated

笑笑笑笑笑笑笑笑笑笑笑

Can someone give me some insight into the verb 費やす? Check these two sentences:

1. 私は語学の勉強にかなりの時間を費やしています。

2. つまらないことに時間を費やすな。

Is this verb really interchangeable with "spend time" and "waste time"? Seems kinda counter intuitive because there is a nuance between saying something is a "waste of time" and saying that you're "spending time" doing something. One implies a lack of productivity while the other implies that the investment of time on the activity will produce some kind of return.

>>16385121

Yeah it just means to expend. Though "waste time" you will often see as 暇を潰す

>>16393149

He's praising it.

>>16393149

He said it was good.

>>16393170

>>16393149

/v/ BTFO

>>16393149

>Horrendous

Fun haters go back to /a/

>>16380188

same

>>16393149

Look it's probably not a perfect translation but fuck you, take it or leave it:

>セーラームーン好きには一度は見て欲しい動画。

In regard to why I'm so fond of Sailor Moon, (it's the type of) video I've wanted to see (at least) once.

>海外の方々が色々な芸術でアニメの再現をしていて、口の動きとかで考えると本編より凄いｗ

It's because of the foreigner's various skills that this anime is being reproduced, I consider the mouth movements among other things to be more awesome than the original (lol).

>何回見ても絵柄が違うから全然飽きずに見てられるｗ

I don't know how many times have I seen the same design that isn't any different at all and gotten tired of it (lol).

>動きも滑らかだし絶対プロ潜んでるやろ

The smooth movements show the hidden absolute proficiency

>これ

Here

>>16394507

Only managed one sentence without the use of machines. How long and much must one read before the training wheels come off?

>>16394678

never

>>16395056

So most are stuck using Yomichan and the like? It makes sense but as I said before, to me it really feels like cheating and not exactly a sign of one adapting to the language. I assume fan translators never use them.

>>16395471

>I assume fan translators never use them.

You couldn't be further from the truth than that. Someone who's better at screencapping things than me will surely supply you with an endless amount of examples of fan translations done by people who haven't the slightest idea of how Japanese work. Heck, there's even a rikaicake/rikaisama dictionary made especially for translating.

>>16395556

Too bad Rikaisama no longer works on the latest Firefox. So I should try to not feel so bad about using it when I stumble upon an unfamiliar or less familiar word or grammar point? My goal of course is VNs and the odd ero-RPG, if only because they seem to be the easiest to text hook and check if I identified a word correctly. OCR programs tend to be finicky sometimes.

Oh, a bit of heads up. Latest version of Anki is incompatible with Yomichan's real time import function and it has this all too small aesthetic I'm not a fan of. Kanji looks too handwritten for my tastes too.

>>16394507

>セーラームーン好き

-ずき - a liker of; someone who likes ~. (This is) a video which I want fans of Sailor Moon to watch once.

>色々な芸術でアニメの再現をしていて

Some foreign people are reproducing the anime in/with a variety of art techniques

>何回見ても絵柄が違うから全然飽きずに見てられる

No matter how many times I watch, because of the different styles I can watch without losing interest

>絶対プロ潜んでるやろ

There's gotta be pros amongst the contributors. Not so literal there, obviously.

>>16395471

A lot of fan translators are actually shit at Japanese. It's just one more reason to keep learning. Don't feel bad about using rikai, but you shouldn't be entirely reliant on it either. Looking stuff up in the dictionary is how you learn. However, you might learn more if you switched over to a Japanese dictionary.

>>16394678

When I learned Spanish it took three years (of school) and then one day everything clicked all at once. If I we're learning over the summer too it probably would have been a lot faster than that. Japanese will probably take longer but I expect that click to happen eventually after enough study and practice.

>>16395471

professional translators still use machine translation and software made for translation. The technique is called post-editing, and it improves the speed and accuracy of their translations.

>>16395589

I'm using Pale Moon, it works fine. I also heard it works with Waterfox, but I never tested it. Leave firefox for the SJW pampering mozilla.

>>16379078

Just use rikaichamp. Same thing.

>>16395615

>A lot of fan translators are actually shit at Japanese.

Yet they exist. Shit, and I was looking forward to this VN someone at /hgg/ is translating (the kicker here is I had it and similar ones backlogged). Major reason on my end is to escape the (((localizers))), who I thought were the prime perpetrators of shit translations whereas fans (most of them, hopefully) lack any interfering agendas.

>>16395659

So there really is no shame in using Google Translate AFTER I take a swing at a news article (I simply skip what I can't make sense of)? Still prefer an editor around these parts but very well. Still, aren't places like Fuwanovel and ULMF rife with low quality machine translations?

>Leave firefox for the SJW pampering mozilla.

Considering that due to shit like incompatible add-ons and using a bunch of processes for some reason but SJW collaboration is news to me. I take it diversity hires are making the browser worse?

>>16395680

>>16379078

Just know that Rikaichamp lacks Anki real time import. As for pics, Kanjitomo or Capture2Text. Though it's a little inconvenient to open a text box in a browser just to use the former in order to read text fed by the latter.

>>16396170

I don't think it is always agenda pushing, many people probably just get cocky and try to translate above their ability, leading to garbage. It's an easy trap to fall into once you get some proficiency. Translating is hard.

>So there really is no shame in using Google Translate AFTER I take a swing at a news article

No shame in looking things up, that's how you'll learn after all. Best to try first on your own like you said. If you don't understand anything then you may just want to move on, but a few words or something isn't excessive. I'd be cautious of using google translate though, since it can be pretty bad for Japanese. It can sometimes handle small sections, but I've had it give me total nonsense a lot so I don't really trust it much.

>>16380199

死ね、このホモ野郎め

>>16395680

and kanjidamage

>>16396170

>>16396257

Yeah, I could name a number of doujin HRPG where the "translator" just put it through machine translate and then tries to cleans up the English, and the kicker is that more than half the time the guy doing it's doesn't speak English natively or well for that matter. I know that some people do the same with manga and an OCR too.

Besides cocky people who think they're better than they are there's also people who treat translation like practice or a study method when they shouldn't, people no different from localizers; changing and adding things for a "better" end-product, and then there's people who just don't really give a damn about quality and are just in it for the free dick-sucking. You could point out a fault in every sentence of something and a crowd will still rush to defend and deny. People will defend censorship, changes, and errors in fan-translation much in the same way they'll defend "professional" translation. Some people can know for a fact that it's just a fixed up Google Translate job and they'll still prostrate themselves before the guy in gratitude.

Quite disappointing if you were once ignorantly over-trusting of fan-translators.

>>16396170

http://archive.is/0NU6t

http://archive.is/OqAo3

I mean, it's gab, and they ban loli, so they kind of deserve it. But still, it's a sign that mozilla is a bunch of SJW commies and you better avoid them.

>>16396702

>people who treat translation like practice or a study method

Been there, done that, then stopped before the I did an unrecoverable disaster. Don't do it, it's not fun.

On fan-translators vs professional: unfortunately both of them can be dogshit or bretty good. I have a feeling than fan-translations are usually more literal as they don't try to "localize" everything, like honorifics and other culture shit, and thus it's easier to believe they're more correct, but it doesn't mean they're not full of errors.

>>16395594

You having problems too? Latest version of Anki fucked up all my fonts. It doesn't use the stroke order font for my kanji deck anymore and I can't figure out how to fix it.

>>1059533

Yeah, nobody uses network functionality """in actual practice"""* because everything is the FDO faggots' desktop or phone ecks dee. Fuck off.

* This empty phrase is always a surefire sign your opponent is bullshitting.

>>16397390

Oh nevermind, I guess restarting the PC fixed it.

>>16397483

I use kanjidamage

>>16393149

>that black sailor Jupiter and tranny Sailor Mercury

diversitytards are diseased

How can I say, "It seemed like fun" as in you're referring to an event which happened in the past?

Here are my ideas, let me know if any or none are correct.

楽しそうね

楽しかったね

楽しそうでした

Furthermore, which one is more casual?

>>16408467

>楽しかったね

That's casual for "It was fun"

man I'm getting so tired of copula and aru/nai overlapping/confusion and j-en dictionaries not accounting for (english equivalent) grammatical forms for words that are all s-verb, na-adjective, noun-adverbs etc. I want to fucking kill myself all of this shit makes me so angry

manga is complete garbage cancer for learning and will make sure you develop bad habits and misunderstandings, the only reason it should ever be recommended is if you can't muster motivation to read in any other way

>>16408787

Manga and anime are fine for learning as long as you're not so retarded as to mimic obviously unnatural stuff like 語尾 and suchぽよ and understand that they are fictional and real-life conversation isn't scriptedだぴょん. They don't just up and change grammatical structure of the language for them. Granted, you're most likely not going to get as much experience with written narrative styles, long-winded sort of stuff. I can't follow your first sentence fully, but just switch to a plain Japanese dictionary then?

>>16409136

>心配

>worry; concern; anxiety; uneasiness; fear(U+200B was here)

it's what I mean. It doesn't give an example for actively worry (suru), be in a state of worry (adjective), and having worry/noun (ga aru and rest).

That translation above would only account for the 3rd, as a noun

Whenever I come across it in manga I only have a concept to think of and no other aides, so all three will just naturally/spontaneously amount to one grammatical form in my head, that of "being worried", even though I know there are, or should be, differences

look, here too

>仕事

work; job; business; occupation; employment; vocation; task(U+200B was here)

look I don't know about you nigger but from this alone I can't clearly tell what the no-adjective version is meant to be. employed? or currently working?

and the second is just, I don't fucking know, dependent nouns and some other random aru/copula usage rules/habits(?) messing with my head

>sonna koto nai

In my head amounts to "that's not true/it's not that", but because it's nai, it should(?) mean "it doesn't exist for/in/at/towards someone/something"

>nan no you datta?

in my head "what business did you have", when it's probably "for you, what kind of business was it?"

>~hazu desu/~hazu ga/wa nai

obviously the fact that it's a rule that the negative is ga nai instead of ja nai confuses me yet again

I can't tell between dependent noun constructions and na/no adjectives and literal ownership/existence of (abstract) things and a state of being being vaguely connected to the (often omitted) topic or something, I'm not even sure myself

actually, maybe I need to completely go back to the core: is "kare wa benkyou da" a valid sentence? If it is you can attach pretty much any noun/concept to anything with the copula right?

>>16396257

When I use Google translate it's more for "inspiration" than an actual solution. There are times when what comes out is pretty much perfect as is, but usually it just gives me a better understanding of the sentence's intended structure and helps a bit with any set phrases. From there I put what I know are the correct words and context into the structure that google is trying to make out of it and usually end up with the correct result.

Well I've finally finished Atelier Rorona Plus. Took me about 4 months, counting the second playthrough in order to unlock all the endings (there were quite a few scenes I missed the first time). Not going to bother actually watching all the endings though, sitting through all the final day dialog and the credits every time is just too much, I'd rather get started on Totori.

I expect Totori and Mururu to go a little faster, I might even be able to fit Lulua in before the year is over, though I had only originally planned for 3 which is why I had a 4 month target for the first game. As for how I'm doing right now, I can pick up a surprising amount but there's almost never a complete sentence that I fully understand on my own. Something in the grammar or sentence ending usually gets me even if the vocabulary doesn't.

>>16409631

Okay the problem is that you are trying to make sense of Japanese in the context of English. Stop trying to translate everything to English in your head.

>>16414180

Easier said then done. Am I merely supposed to get the gist of what's said for now?

Any Yomichan users having trouble with the real time import function? Have the latest of both that and Anki complete with the AnkiConnect plugin installed into the latter. Despite several reinstalls, it keeps failing to connect.

>>16413596

Good job finishing your first? RPG in the language. How many hours did it take you? There's a good chance the other games will go better than you think, especially since they likely share quite a bit of vocabulary being related and all. Its a bit contrary to what I'm about to say, but it might be good to make a little more effort towards getting a good understanding of some more sentences if there really is some difficulty with almost all of them.

>>16414523

Sometimes that's good enough. There will be some things that you'll just have a vague grasp of until you see it for the nth time and it just clicks. Rather than mull over something you've only seen once before and stagnate, it can be better to just move on and get a feel for it over time. Once you're a bit more familiar with how it's used, then you can delve into it's specifics.

Earlier your first idea for そんなことない was better. That's not the negative of はず. Just as if you said リンゴがない so as to mean, "I have no apple/s" should you say 彼女が行くはずがない it would mean "I have no expectation that she will go." Just describing the lack of はず.

>>16414877

Here >>16395589

>>16414877

Sorry I linked the wrong post, try one below it.

>>16415574

Restarting the PC of all things fixed AnkiConnect. Still, your advice helps. Just gotta get rid of years and years of thinking that tools hinder learning and anything less then a perfect translation is 100% wrong. Not having an experienced or someone to vet my progress hurts too but I guess that's what these threads are for.

>>16413081

kanjidamage seems to be the answer.

>>16415636

My bad, I didn't realize I was linking you to yourself. Just remembered someone mentioned it earlier so I responded without much thought or even re-reading the post.

>>16416177

It means "your excitement will die down after a while". Do you even try looking shit up?

ほとぼりがさめる

>>16416177

The な in this case is the one used at the end of sentences for emphasis. What grammar books have you read? If you only went through basic ones you might want to look into some more advanced material.

>>16416177

ほとぼり in this case should refer to some person/s fired up emotion pertaining to or surrounding the (seemingly recurring) situation he was involved in. If he gives it some time, things will calm down. The な is pretty much just an alternative ね which is just emphatic. Similar to the Canadian "eh" in a way. That's kind of how I've always thought of it.

>>16416308

looks like I had a typo and that might have been half the problem. すれば still doesn't make sense to me though. The point of this wasn't to say "this is a line I had extreme difficulty with" so much as "this is the kind of difficulty I have frequently".

>>16416377

な can be negative, or it can be emphasis apparently. Wasn't too sure on the latter but I'm a little weak on sentence-final particles to begin with. It's usually more obvious when it's being used as a negative though, so I assumed that whatever it was doing here didn't change the core meaning.

>>16416434

come to think of it it's a negative command form with な, not a negative sentence. So yeah the only problem here is that I didn't remember な was an emphasis particle as well.

>>16416177

Oh, just keep reading and such and you'll improve with time. It's like I say here >>16415574 even if you struggled with this sentence, the more you see of the same, the more your understanding of the specifics and nuances will grow. Though doing some proper advanced study or even basics review is good too as suggested. する used with a time word like 少し or 一時間 can mean "pass (of time)" So, if a little (time) passes, or 一時間すると if one hour passes. Another thing that could really help is checking a Japanese dictionary. Sometimes the EDICT entries in Jisho or Rikai can really suck. Getting a proper explanation of the meaning of a word as Japanese define it beats a simple translation almost every time. Not so necessary for basic nouns though.

>>16416485

How am I supposed to use a Japanese dictionary if I can't already read Japanese though? I really doubt google translating a dictionary in order to help me understand words that aren't google translating properly is going to help. Even if it did I wouldn't know where to look because searching for stuff online in japanese is currently beyond my knowledge.

>>16416529

Gotta start sometime. You've made it through 100 hours of RPG, you should be able handle it. It will take a little getting used to as with any new topic you set out with but once you get common dictionary vocab down it won't be so bad. Here, the entry and sub-entry pertaining to the usage of する I just gave, just for an example:

数量を表す語に付く。

・（時間を表す語に付いて）ある時刻を起点にして，その時間が経過する。たつ。

or from a different dictionary:

（時を表す語に付いて）時間が経過する。

Weblio.jp and dictionary.goo.ne.jp are good online dictionaries, featured above. Otherwise Google a word or phrase plus the word 意味. For the difference between two words, them plus 違い or 使い分け.

>>16416635

Start at kanjidamage

>>16418339

>>16418337

>>16418340

>>16418341

>>16418343

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>>16418349

>>16418351

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>>16418361

all me btw

>japs use two different runes that translate to the same letter in english

for what purpose? Writing them both down ofc, but surely both runes don't actually mean the same thing in moonrune even if they translate as such in english?

>>16419119

Every book about learning moon has an introduction explaining this shit. Alternatively, fucking google it.

>>16419119

Are you referring to kanji or the fact that katakana seems redundant? Cause for the former kanji is used to show entire words sometimes, so they’re special. For the latter katakana is used almost exclusively for foreign loan words, and sometimes is just stylistic such as making robot voices in text and for slang.

>>16419137

kana specifically, hiragana/katakana. I haven't reached kanji yet. That's very interesting to know though, and makes good sense.

>>16419119

RIGHT? GLAD we don't have something so REDUNDANT in ENGLISH. Sound effects, animal names (especially those with difficult kanji or readings), and some technical terms also get katakana treatment a lot or sometimes they're used in place of difficult kanji rather than hiragana.

>>16419213

Are you making the suggestion that kana is capslock?

>>16419319

No, katakana has a lot more practical uses than capslock but still I'm likening it to it because they're both separate sets of visually different characters that represent the same thing so that really shouldn't throw anyone for a loop.

Thinking about taking a into to Japanese class at my local uni. Thoughts?

>>16419482

From what I hear a class could be good or shit depending on the teacher and how stupid your classmates are. If you're motivated you might be able to learn faster on your own, but if you're someone who really needs the classroom structure it might help get you started. The main benefit to me would be if you had a native speaker for a professor that you could ask questions easily. Other than that there are so many free or cheap resources for learning that taking classes is certainly not required.

>>16419482

If you can, find out what the class claims to cover to see if it's a reasonable amount of material to start with. Classmates and teacher aside, the texts they use could also be shit for you. Like, I couldn't work with Genki when I started, so I just switched to grammar textbooks better suited to myself. Can't necessarily do that in a class.

>>16422559

>>16419482

>>16421433

I'm considering looking for a class myself. If nothing else just someone to talk to, both to ask questions and practice speaking. Plus a little bit of outside pressure would do me some good right now I think.

>>16419482

kanjidamage?

>>16419482

can you find the syllabus for the class your interested in? If it has a schedule of topics, can you post it?

>>16423530

I'll check it out but it just had a shooting there so I'm considering another school.

>>16424255

パンチら13. Latest SVN seems to run it and Steambot Chronicles (which uses the same engine) well enough. Minor graphical bugs in Pachipara and missing flashback filter in Steambot Chronicles.

>>16424285

Yeah, everything except the Pachinko parts of this game are amazing. It has Steambot Chronicles sandbox but refined and a fun story. The Pachinko part is pretty much just auto-pilot (you can set balls to launch automatically) and loading a save if you don't get jackpot.

>>16424285

Oh did I mention it gives you the option to eat save points?

>>16424291

All right I'll give it a shot, what's the worst that could happen.

Reminder that learning japanese is useless, since America is forcing Japan to censor their media at the source.

>>16425008

That doesn't affect the thousands of games that are already made.

>>16343820

Twilight Loader can now play a lot of shit off SD card. R4 is still better, but there's now choice.

>>16425008

yes

>>16426774

Can someone explain to me the use of る” and に” in the third picture here? >>16430296 I'm pretty sure those are supposed to be the same "soft consonants" you see on がだざ and ば, but I can't even imagine what an る” would sound like.

Granted, sound effects in general are usually pretty incomprehensible to me, even if I can read the characters, but right now I'm just wondering about the characters.

is there any difference between

nanimo koto nai

nan no koto mo nai

>>16431758

I'm guessing there are several of them.

>>16431825

So, is it good practice for people that can barely handle childrens' books?

>>16431851

I dunno, can you read those screenshots?

You have to start somewhere though, so don't worry too much about if something is too hard.

>>16431920

Oh, fuck me. Never mind. Now I found it.

毎度

>>16431920

毎度

>>16431851

>>16431825

Better question. Is it voice acted? I've found being able to both hear and see the words helps a ton when starting out. Besides you get a lot of information out of tone and shit, so it almost makes things too easy to understand.

>>16431950

>Is it voice acted?

Yeah.

kore wa nani desuka?

>>16431920

You need to learn to do kanji lookups. Looking up words with the other kanji in them is the worst possible way to find what you are looking for. You need to be able to either do a radical search or a handwritten search.

>>16434399

>Man from new york wanders around rural Texas in cowboy boots and a stetson and can't figure out why people are annoyed

>>16434406

That's different though. I wouldn't be as rude to some foreigner coming down and talking english to me.

>>16434423

There's a reason I specified rural.

>>16434399

Why do you care what others think of something like that

>>16434406

Since when did I portray myself that I tried to fit in? I was obviously a foreigner, and I was not trying to fit in.

>>16434435

Why did I learn the language if its native speakers don't care and/or negative to me?

>>16434423

Not the same, as English is used as a diplomatic language and is spoken by a third of the world. Most of Japan can understand it to a sufficient degree for talking to some foreigner.

Saying that you learned Japanese to a Jap because of their cartoons is akin to going to Scotland and speaking Gaelic because you love whiskey.

>>16431228

It doesn't change it in the same way the typical voiced consonants you learned do, it's just supposed to indicate the sound as having that sort of quality to it or otherwise being more coarse, forceful, strained, or whatever.

>>16434451

for the games and cartoons, you said so yourself.

>>16434399

You dun fucked up. You just tell them you've learned the language because your own people are shit and you want some solitude without impacting everyone around you by being a big pest.

As of yesterday I've been studying for one year. My goal for the first year was to limp through one video game with massive amounts of help, which I accomplished a bit over a week ago >>16413596 I had expected to only get to the point where I could do that and then start the game in my second year, so I'm a little ahead of schedule.

My next major goal will be to play through a game that does not use "press to advance" text for most of the dialog. I'm thinking Tales of Vesperia (I think skits auto-advance) for that.This should probably be a goal for year 3 though, I'm going to be spending most of this year finishing the Atelier Arland series and I just don't see myself being ready to translate in real time by the end of it.

>>16434502

How would you say that in Japanese?

>外人、どうして日本語ではなす？

>母国の人は道義がありませんから、優越な人間から為ん術を習いたい。

>>16438354

The language and Kanji usage in Atelier Rorona really seemed like it was targetted at a younger audience to me. I don't exactly have graded readers to compare it to, but that's how it seemed. It didn't have furigana, but I expect that being near fully voiced (with the exception of the inconsequential NPCs you can talk to around town, which I didn't really bother with) compensates for that since native children who don't know kanji can still be expected to understand spoken language.

Anyway, my main point of doubt following that is that I feel like I probably read more of the game off Google Translate, Jisho, and KanjiTomo than off of the game screen. I do feel like I'm getting better (I'm going through Atelier Totori MUCH faster), but I'm not convinced that's not simply because I'm glossing over the details and just stopping at understanding the basic thrust of the dialog.

In any case, the goal is still the same. Finish the Atelier Arland series (all 4 games), then at some point before the end of year 3, play another game were I can't set the text pace, which ultimately means that I won't be able to type it into Google.

>>16438711

Rather than play 4 games from the same series, you'd learn more by playing more varied games.

>>16431796

Yeah, nanimo koto nai is ungrammatical.

>>16440439

>taking any time off of Anki

That's a guarantee you will never come back to it. That's why you're supposed to keep your reviews manageable (30 minutes or less), so you don't feel burned out from doing them every day.

>>16440126

You are probably right, but I want to finish these games anyway. Getting started is always the hardest thing.

>>16440482

Not him, but the only way I can keep anki reviews at 30 minutes or less is by having 0 new cards. Mature cards alone hit 30 minutes if I'm not completely half-assing it. That's exactly what I'm doing right now. I figure an hour or two or six a day translating game dialog is probably better than anki anyway.

>>16440439

If you're going to use anki again you need to start over and rethink how you're using the program and studying. Reps are only useful if you're able to do them consistently.

>>16441410

>Not him, but the only way I can keep anki reviews at 30 minutes or less is by having 0 new cards.

That means you started with too many new cards. It's hard to get back on a good pace if you start with too much.

>>16441409

Picking up something for more of a challenge can be good too, but there'll still be plenty to learn for you regardless, especially with that having been your first game. If you had any issues with reading for extended amounts of time, it will probably become easier to keep at it with not having to look up as much stuff. It'll be more of a good time that feels less like actual study so you can put in more time. Sometimes going for that easier stuff is the better choice just so that you can go for twice+ as long and not burn out. Skipping over difficult passages some of the time can provide the same benefit. Plus it will serve to reinforce all that you did learn in the previous game. You still want that practice reading the stuff that you do know for the sake of improving your reading speed and such.

Is it just me or is this Core 2k deck is getting ridiculous? I'm starting to get multiple meanings for identical shit like 上下 back to back and it's fucking with my reviews. I heard criticisms that the thing's a little archaic and I'm better off using my own deck but I thought they were exaggerating. Doesn't help it's the only one with sentences.

>>16441537

Should I really start from the the beginning? I figured I can repeat just the ones I don't really know, since out of those 1000, I know a good 700 or so. I'm actually around 500 cards now, once I get to zero I'll pace myself.

>>16447710

I've seen very few instances of this, and I either discard the card or something along those lines.

>>16447763

I figured discarding or massing "Good" would be cheating in a way. The most fair thing I came up with is simply ignoring the deck beyond reviews. Talking about shit like 上–which I thought only had うえ, じょう, and あ as relevant readings–suddenly throwing かみ at me. Meaning superior and/or authority. When I'm sure I know a word or two that means about the same thing unless this one is just general use. Been using VN Core and the words in that are a little too common at first. Best if I just stick to that and my own mining deck (hoping they don't overlap in the process).

>>16447872

The かみ reading is not uncommon, so it's good to know.

>>16447872

Pretty sure those are valid readings/uses, so it's always good to keep them in mind. Japanese is kind of redundant.

>>16447902

>Japanese is kind of redundant.

Annoyingly so, I noticed.

>>16447895

Was afraid of that, but I rather run into that reading in the wild instead of a deck, even if that deck has an example sentence. Always touch and go with this self-learning thing.>>16447895

>>16447916

>I rather run into that reading in the wild instead of a deck

The problem is you wouldn't really know, unless there was furigana or voices. It's something you have to deduce from context.

>>16447917

You also wouldn't really care, unless you are doing something voice-only, and at that point you don't care what the kanji is.

>>16341595

Do you mind telling where do I get the raws?

Is there like a primer or something on dialects somewhere? At this point I wouldn't know the difference even if someone told me which characters had them.

>>16448127

Try manga-zip.net, their ddl site of choice is a little less shitty than other raw manga ddl listing sites, I find. Other than the modest-sized collection in the guide I don't really know any especially good sites for raw manga, unfortunately. It's all shitty ddl sites or torrents which often aren't comprehensive for less popular series.

>>16448131

Japanese Wikipedia articles for different dialects can be relatively good, maybe a bit too much for a primer though. I usually just Google as I go or try going off of the context. Weblio has entries for many dialectical words and stuff too which is helpful.

>>16448131

Yes, in Japanese, if you understand Japanese.

>>16448131

If you can't tell the difference between something like this and something standard Japanese, I have to question whether you know it at all. The only way you would not be immediately aware of the difference is if it's all gibberish to you either way.

>>16448980

First, I can't understand spoken at all really. I can usually pick up some words and very simple sentences, but nowhere near enough to make sense of anything. Whether that lady is speaking an odd dialect or just not enunciating like a voice actor would I don't have a clue. I'm mostly referring to dialects in fiction/written form. I often hear comments about certain mangas having characters who speak certain dialects, like >>16341595 saying there are some lines using Kyuushuu dialect which is the post that made me think to ask the question. When it's all in text form I wouldn't know how to know if the line I'm looking at is using a non-normal dialect, or if it's just a particularly hard line to translate.

>>16449206

If you can handle reading to a basic extent, you'll recognize when character sounds different than everybody else. With Japanese dialects, a lot of the time there's changes in basic stuff like particle usage or with conjugation or common words like conjunctions. Very noticeable stuff unless it's something extremely minor in their usage. Here one of the like 3 or 4 lines featuring the dialect from that manga: そげんこつ言わんと小遣いやるけん or in more standard Japanese: そんなこと言わないで小遣いやるから. Not everything dialectical you come across will be that thick, particularly from younger characters/people who typically speak more standardized language, but nevertheless it's not something you're likely to overlook.

>>16448963

The international convention of name order, as dictated by English and most European languages/cultures. Hungarian names suffer the same reordering when outside their own language. The local Yuuyuuhakusho anime dub was especially annoying for me, because I know there is no need for this reordering here.

>>16449894

>>16448963

The annoying thing is just the inconsistency. You honestly never know, even in native Japanese media, which name is their family name unless you also know the names of their family members.

>>16450136

I don't think I've ever seen Japanese media use the Western order.

>>16450682

I don't know if this is how they meant it, but this reminds me of just being able to distinguish first and last names in general.

>Everyone please welcome, Smith Smith and his "wife" Tanaka Tanaka

>>16450682

For the most part, if the characters are intended to be Japanese with Japanese names, they get the Japanese naming order. The problem is that in fiction, that line can get blurry. Maybe the fictional character from the fictional country has a Japanese sounding name that is presented in Western order, or maybe they have a Western sounding name that is presented in Japanese order. Could go either way although I think the more common one is to use the Western order.

>オレンジを食べる

>パンを食べる

>ビールを食べる

>女を食べる

>おちんちんを食べない

>アニメの番組を食べない

>ホモを砕ける

>マンコを求める

>筋肉を上げる

そんな物事に生好きは

>>16454881

How do you get Japanese TV?

>>16456779

write with IME pad/drawn input. Use a phone or preferably a tablet if you have to, or get a pad with a stylus for your PC.

http://blog.tutorming.com/mandarin-chinese-learning-tips/7-basic-rules-to-chinese-stroke-order

You've discovered the phono-semantic compound, congratulations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_characters#Phono-semantic_compounds

>>16456779

Does the 2k core not have writing? I thought it would. Never used anki for Japanese.

Use obenkyo or kanji study. Obenkyo is free and I generally prefer it exactly because of the way it handles writing (though it can bit wonky in detection, but you can tell it you were actually correct). Obenkyo also has vocabulary, but it is with the old kanji lists. Kanji Study is with the revised list (just the levels are a bit different), has perhaps a better dictionary use. You might have to play a bit with options to get what you want. Try both and decide for yourself. Here is a link for unlocked Kanji Study

https://anonfile.com/sefaV8l3nf/Japanese_Kanji_Study_v4.2.10_Unlocked_apk - this is only one version behind the newest one

>>16341154

Why waste your time if you don't have a genius level IQ. Do something useful to occupy your time, because brainlets are just wasting time with Japanese unless you plan to live there.

>>16456189

This has a few channels: http://aqstream.com/jp

>>16456939

Do you know any good jisho apps that don't have terrible ads

>>16457468

If you mean jisho the site, I would say it is kind of shitty.

If you mean just any dictionary, JED - Japanese Dictionary and/or Kanji Study (the free version can be used as a dictionary no problem). Obenkyo works too, though it is not made for that, you can search kanji if you know how they are written/look like. It is very convenient in Obenkyo when studying with it you can easily check your previously written/recognized kanji (all) and all words with them without exiting the study session. Kanji Study actually has this option too, but it requires a few too many clicks, which can be annoying.

As a whole I would recommend installing all 3 of the apps.

I have a autistic word game I used to help me jog my memory when I was learning Spanish: assuming you already have a foundation, choose one word in a language, then find equivalents or related words in the other language, then the do the same with those words but in the 1st language, and so on. e.g.

card -> carta, tarjeta, naipe

>carta -> letter

>>letter -> letra (letter of alphabet, lyrics)

>>>etc.

>tarjeta -> gift card, credit card, invitation card, postcard

>>etc.

>naipe -> playing card

>>playing card -> baraja, mazo (both mean deck)

>>>etc.

wave -> 波動(wave in Physics), 波(sea waves)

>波動 -> wave (as in wave your hand)

>>wave -> 手を振る(wave your hand)

>>>手を振る -> shake(振る)

>>>>etc.

>波 -> tidal wave

>>tidal wave -> 潮汐(tide)

>>>etc.

>>16456907

>You've discovered the phono-semantic compound

I thought those were more of a thing in Chinese?

Also the characters I mentioned don't have similar meanings (life, be born, etc.; sex; surname; one of the 2 chars used in sacrifice (犠牲))

>website and stroke orders

not a bad resource, but I was referring to more specific tricks, like the observation of ⺾'s order in a character,

>>16456939

Anki lets has support for writing answers. you just need to make cards show the appropriate field I think.

As for writing, you can use IME handwriting (PC) or your touch screen (phone) as >>16456907 said. For checking stroke order, Anki has an add-on that shows it so you can check. Also thanks for app.

>>16456779

I use a kanji deck and this http://www.nihilist.org.uk/ to practice writing.

They're phonosemantic compounds borrowed from Chinese, which means they're On reading(s) are going to be the same or similar, which is why all of your examples only apply to On readings, except for the last one, where the on reading of one is coincidentally similar to the kun reading of the other, and significantly less so than the others.

The rules of stroke order are farely regular, so instead of learning many 'tricks' based on analogy between radicals, your better off learning a smaller set of more powerful rules. Here's a better source that explains both of your examples (#4 and #3) in terms of rules that apply generally https://www.archchinese.com/chinese_stroke_order_rules.html

>>16458446

>>16458032

Why would you want to learn Japanese of all things? It's literally the worst culture in the world.

>>16458101

yes it is. white men need to reject the Asian gf meme.

>>16459874

Why?

>>16460644

>W*stern cosmo

<work harder, don't have kids

<cuckoldry

<oy vey I'm a rape survivor because I didn't nejoy it enough

<oogling a faggy guy as a psyop

<A FUCKING DEFORMED LANDWHALE WITH TATTOOS ON THE COVER

>worst korean cosmo

>blogpost

>"global love report" ???

>High heel workout to make yourself prettier and somewhat healthy

>103 new bags and shoes

>>16460699

because you should clean your room, wash your benis man up and marry that slut who had so much dick in her, every child she spews out will have 5 different fathers' DNA

>>16460836

Even a plastic korean is superior to a western "woman", the korean being equally shallow at least has enough decency to look palatable.

>>16460888

Checked.

Reminder that Japan didn't send any help to Germany because Third Reich violated Anti-Comintern pact by signing Ribbentrop-Molotov.

>>16461807

I wonder how much the localization ruined Patty なのじゃ

>>16449894

So why don't Korean or Chinese names?

Xi Jin Ping is Xi Jin ping., not Jin ping Xi.

Kim Jong Un is Kim Jong Un, not Jong Un Kim.

>>16461822

Not sure what that is since this is my first time playing it. I don't trust English localizations at all any more though so I'm sure it's fucked up in some way.

>>16462683

She's the game's lolibaba.

>>16461807

>>16462767

Judging from this, it looks like everything auto-advances or at least all the major dialog cutscenes as well as the skits. It's gonna be tough, but that's why it's a goal for year 3, not now.

>>16462482

I have no fucking idea, I only know that it's near constant for Japanese and Hungarian. Both seem to do it automatically in English like it wouldn't be possible to communicate without this kind of name ordering. The faggots who could research this are definitely not interested in doing so, I've never seen anyone analyzing this stupid phenomenon.

Who decides the N level kanji lists anyway? What are the revised ones?

>>16460644

>pretending an actual deathfat is healthy and beautiful and if you don't like it you're a mysoginerd nazi

This is how they'll kill the whites, by making them all believe it's acceptable to be so obese that your knees creak from the strain of holding your massive girth up

still better than marrying plastic though

>>16466916

Then just don't marry a Korean girl and marry a Japanese girl instead. Easily fixed.

>>16471487

やる means "to do". くれる is just basic grammar.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/favors

>>16471506

I thought about くれる but negative form would be くれない so I thought that's not it.

But I'm retarded and didn't recognize the additional ん, I read くない all this time.

Thank you.

>>16471589

Yeah she is slurring her speech. Also the negative of くる is こない, not くない

>>16471980

read more

>>16471589

ら行 is often reduced to ん in casual speech.

>>16465167

Anyone?

>>16475552

well surely that would be the organizations that make the JLPT, which you should be able to find on its website. "Revised" probably refers to when the test was rewritten in 2010.

Are there any resources that have info on the difficulty level of text in Japanese video games?

I saw some really good info-images that had PS1 games and their text difficulty once but I've never seen any for any other consoles.

>>16476374

That's kind of subjective. Like if you play a lot of fantasy games then another fantasy game will be easier, but if you're playing your first sci-fi game then you'll have to learn more terminology.

Does anyone here know where I can get some good Yotsuba raws from?

>>16476436

Did you try the first link in the OP? There is a mega link there, not super high quality but readable.

Bumping this thread from page 13 with a question.

I trying to grasp how to use ながら in a negative way.

From [1] there's this example:

>彼の気持を知りながら無視をしている。

>I know how he feels about me but I have been ignoring him."

I was reading:

>I'm ignoring his feelings while noticing it.

Another example:

すべての人間は、生まれながらにして自由であり

I had to use a translator to get this right:

>All humans are born free

I was understanding:

>All humans while being born have freedom

助けって下さい

[1]http://maggiesensei.com/2013/06/26/%E3%81%AA%E3%81%8C%E3%82%89nagara-from-facebook-mini-lesson/

>>16485636

Too bad the bumplimit is 350.

>>16485661

That's fine, I'll ask in the newer thread.

>>16485636

There's no real difference between using it in a positive or negative manner. She probably mostly mentions it because the word you use in a translation might change (while>but or w/e) to be more fitting. But all in all it's just while doing action > action in that case. As with most particles and such, ながら modifies the whole clause prior, that is, the entire 彼の気持ちを知り(while knowing his feelings.) It's simply joined to 無視をしてる, not affecting it otherwise. Your link shows this as well toward the end, but the 生まれながら is a bit different of a usage in that it's not about performing the action, but about being in a state of being born. Hope I didn't fudge anything typing this out quick.

I have a question. There's a pair of katanas in Dark Souls III called 鬼切と姥断 [おにきり・と・うばだち]. I get that the first one is essentially named "demonslayer" but what's the other supposed to be? Old Reliable? Faded Judgement? Also, why is 断 pronounced as だち here? Is this one of those play on words?

>>16486118

The thread is not bumping anymore, but thanks for taking the time to answer my question.

>>16485636

This is an example of not having enough linguistic vocabulary to describe what she means.

What she means is that it can be used in an adversative manner in addition to a cumulative manner (see link). In general, I don't think Japanese makes a distinction between adversative and cumulative, at least not most of the time.

https://www.englishgrammar.org/kinds-coordinating-conjunctions/

>>16486245

Just as with the 切り in 鬼切, 断ち too drops it's okurigana. Having just the kanji looks cooler. You'll see that sort of thing with move names and the like as well. Maybe worth noting that 太刀 is a thing.

>>16486439

Glad you could enjoy it. You may like ぷくゆり by the same author since you liked that, but it probably wasn't quite as easy. I can't quite recall, but still don't feel like it was overly difficult. Their 4-koma manga あまゆる, however, might present a challenge because there's some more prominent dialect usage in that one as it's a topic of an ongoing joke. 千と万 is a single father-daughter SoL that I believe was mostly on the easy side of things to break away from yuri a little bit for a moment, but I'll also second ゆるゆり and add ゆりゆり which is by the same author. It's more romance, less humor-focused and again, iirc, on the easy side. Haven't actually read a whole ton of shounen manga myself in Japanese, so not much I can recommend there.