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Too repetitive and you see everything the game has to offer after only an hour.

immortal guy is best bro

who is his english voice actor?

Technically this >>16279204 thread is still only on page 10, but since it doesn't actually have "Sekiro" anywhere in the opening post (making it difficult to search for), this new thread should probably be OK.

Game's good, hardest damn bosses I've seen in a long time, most of them took me hours to finally beat in a reasonable manner. That does of course say more about me than the game, but it's still way more than most games require.

>>16293836

Yes, he's dead. That's why he was able to come back from the afterlife in his prime, rather than as an old man who could barely hold his sword anymore. Random tip: the last phase is easy if you can reflect lightning.

>>16293836

The game is pretty shitty and there's no real reason for that to happen other than they wanted a "twist" for the final fight… except it makes no sense, but whatever fuck it From writing is awful.

>>16293850

>bloodborne had awful writing

>>16293792

>Playing it in English

But yeah, best bro

>>16293719

>Too repetitive

You could argue the same with most games.

>>16293858

Once you make and use the incense and then beat the first boss that appears in the next area (literally the first enemy there), you can but unlimited confetti from any merchant. Until then, your only option is the blue niggers.

Oh also, make sure to revisit that big empty area by the poison pool if you happened to go to the depths before the sunken valley.

>>16293866

English VAs are on point in this, even better than Soulsborne. Hanbei the Undying sounds like Jim Cummings but I dont think it's him.

>>16293858

Yes, lanky katana guys do drop it but it's pretty rare. The merchant at the Dilapidated Shrine starts selling them if you defeat a boss, but it's at the beginning of the penultimate area of the game and you still have two or three areas to go. I ended up doing corrupted monk illusion and crazy thot without using confetti. Crazy thot is easy if you can fully parry her flurry attacks combos because it fucks with her posture super hard.

>>16293887

Neither of those enemies actually benefit from Confetti as far as I could tell. At the very least if confetti does help, it's a small buff compared to voodoo warriors and headless.

Not a fan of the double health bar. I get they wanted to have close combat clashes but it forces an aggressive approach because you want to raise the posture meter as quickly as you can because dealing damage is too slow and drags the combat out. I guess there are some people who enjoy the constant blocking and damaging the posture meter when you can but it was too restrictive for a playstyle even if it does look cool. I prefer the dodging and bullet counters of Bloodborne.

>>16293898

just hit her. Seriously just do one swing over and over again and do not combo.

Other notes is you use shurikens when she backjumps. She's easy as fuck

>>16293900

>Bloodborne

Just let that mediocre fucking game die already.

>>16293907

I'd rather play through BB again than play through Sekiro: True Ends are a sequel hook

>>16293904

Okay but how do I deal with the regeneration? I know how to fight her. I just get frustrated when she says "Nope. 1v10" and has full health when it's finished. The only times she hits me are when I'm either too distracted by the glowing butterflies that cover her body so she can ohko me with needles, or I get really bored and frustrated at having to do the entire battle over again every time she brings the ghosts back.

>>16293913

Shurikens. She's also entirely optional.

>>16293836

>has the same moveset as you because he made most of the sword arts

>parrying the iai double slash or parrying the iai slash into jumping on his head is tons of fun

>good amount of mixups and wild second phase with his spear and gun

>starts spamming LIGHTNING on the final phase to have absolute fun on

top tier boss.

it was sad to see big monk guy die defending the info broker and the broker going on how he can turn a single sen into a mountain, they didn't ask for this

>>16293858

ring the demon bell and start chopping up enemies

>>16293890

roll forward and step on his spear

>>16293898

You can use the shuriken to get rid of the ghosts and when she jumps towards or backwards, focus on getting her health low enough so the posture bar glows into an orange color. You can also abuse the pillars

pretty sure she doesn't recover health only her posture.

>>16293900

Every boss/enemy is spam lights until you get the louder clash and bigger sparks tell, then prepare to parry and continue from step one. Occasional jumps/dodges when the kanji warning pops up.

>>16293918

>parrying the iai double slash

If you stay on his nuts he never uses that move. That means that whenever he sheaths his sword it's gonna be the sweep. I managed to get first phase down so cleanly he became easier than Genichiro. Second phase though is pure bullshit with random-seeming attacks from both weapons that are almost impossible for me to parry.

>pretty sure she doesn't recover health only her posture.

No enemies have the ability to recover vitality at all, except if you exit combat entirely then they reset to full of course.

>>16293924

Not quite true. Maybe every HUMAN boss/enemy. The big monsters don't play by the same rules.

>>16293934

You'll want to revisit it again later, just wait for the idol to become unavailable.

>>16293942

The shit I expected TBH, it's the poison farts that took me by surprise.

What happens when O'Rin of the Water grabs you?

>>16293918

>roll forward and step on his spear

Does this also work on regular spear thrusts or only the big ones? I can never tell if I just time it wrong or if it doesn't apply to those.

>>16293955

Mikiri Counter works on any "thrust" attack with a warning symbol.

>>16293955

Every thrust with a warning symbol. Even if it's a kick

>>16293955

works on anything that is a thrust, even a kick that 'thrusts' counts I think

>>16293948

She never grabs anyone, that grab hitbox is as short as my dick

>>16293962

The purple guys use their feet as thrust attacks, so yeah

>>16294008

Binded Ogre's grabs are by far the worst case of bad hitboxes in the entire game.

>>16294012

The dude got grabbed.

>>16294020

Both are optional

>>16294023

Where should I be going then? I can't find any other paths.

>>16294020

Instead of going down to headless, go another pass and meet the tiny snek

>>16294029

Try looking around in the forest area directly in front of the headless more if it's that one. Or if you want to kill the headless you need to use divine confetti unless you want an extremely long drawn out fight.

>>16294020

Headless you need at least 2 divine confetti maybe 3, multiple pacifying agents, watch your terror, use Ako's sugar before the fight, honestly you mainly just stand in front of him, his attacks are easy to deflect, you can get rid of his black mist by hitting him, if he disappears he will appear directly behind you, immediately turn around and start swinging will interrupt his attack

It's fun. My favorite part about it is that Souls experience doesn't transfer. I've played it for a few hours now, and I'm just starting to get used to the combat. Actually having to git gud again reminds me of playing Demon's Souls for the first time, and it's nice to have something fresh rather than the same stale formula.

>>16294098

Really? It felt the exact opposite for me. Every enemy handled the same way as they would in a souls game because From's design ideology is incredibly stagnant. It reused far too much from DS3 for me to enjoy it. And it having a sequel hook built in ruined what little goodwill I had for the game after the slog that playing it felt like.

>>16293867

It's Dark Souls 2 all over again

>>16293867

This fucker really was a pain.

>>16294110

For basic enemies, yes, it's essentially the same game. But the bosses and minibosses require more than Souls-style dodge-rolling through every attack. It feels both harder and more satisfying to me after getting through DS III and Bloodborne easily.

>>16294126

>This fucker really was a pain.

I uninstall the game because of him. It's not hard, just unfair and broken.

>>16294133

>quitting the game because of one cheesy miniboss

Are you >>16293868? The hitboxes may be broken, but you can still get used to it after a few tries.

>>16294126

Naw even the bosses felt far too similar. And it really highlighted how shallow the combat was to me. Souls games have never had deep combat, but this somehow took away what little depth there was.

>>16294138

The rest of the enemies are not broken? I think I died only once before I met chained ogre.

Make back jumping your new dodge roll. Just wasted Chained Ogre. Grapples didn't have a chance and the strong R1 cleared the distance just fine. Other than that, hop around and grab him in the face with the hook when you can.

If I killed the Guardian Ape before getting the Mortal Blade, can I never get the Ninjustsu you get for defeating him with it or can I defeat a different headless enemy to unlock it?

I've started to enjoy the game more as I've played it more, that being said for a hack&slash game with stealth elements it is really lacking in weapons. Compared to Ninja Gaiden or even Tenchu the weapon variety is really lacking, same goes for attack variety since you can only use one combat art at a time.

That being said, I'm hoping that this marks Fromsoft returning to some of the genres that they've been absent in because of the popularity of the -souls games and Bloodborne. First person dungeon crawler where you play as a cyborg who switches out parts ala Armored Core with fast-paced Sekiro-style simon says combat when?

>>16294191

just go back there with it and finish him off

>>16293862

Yes. They all do.

Should I do the bell time travel quest right away or later?

>>16294203

Whenever you want, your damage isn't increased basically at all from upgrades, so the only real difference is your hp, as you already have access to all of the good ninja tools by that point in the game.

>>16294191

Wait you get some type of ninjustsu for killing him with the mortal blade?

>>16294191

You don't get the Ninjitsu on your first encounter with the Guardian Ape. You have to find him again later, regardless of whether you have the sword or not. Pretty stupid of Sekiro not to mortal-deathblow the thing the first time but that's how it goes.

Weapon variety… Outside of what the prosthetic covers in niche uses, there's not really a lot of room for other weapons in this combat system. Since everything is about parrying and countering, any different weapon animations and shit would just be visual skins in effect.

>>16294226

Yes, but it's only on the second encounter. You get a ninjutsu that extends your attack range for a while after using it on a backstab. I haven't actually tried it though, sounds worthless compared to "instant re-stealth to backstab everyone else" and "I now have an immortal ally that can knock bosses flat on their ass".

>>16294203

The bell level does contain 3 prosthetic tools, one of which helps a ton against the chained ogre (flamethrower causes him to cower in fear for a few seconds). None of those 3 tools are actually worth a damn for the rest of the game, although you need to unlock them anyway to get upgrades for the good tools.

>>16294236

Yeah it's garbage compared to those two. It has absolutely no purpose.

>>16293890

>sidestepping perilous thrusts

That is what the Mikiri counter is for.

>>16294244

The axe is the only way to deal with shield enemies without getting mad.

>>16294282

this.

>>16294282

it is kinda funny how DMC5 has souls-like background multiplayer while the latest from game doesn't.

I do like being able to actually pause in Sekiro as a trade off, though. makes menuing on the fly a lot less painful.

Does this game have a proper story?

>>16293868

>Dark Souls games are hard and people who deny it are either arrogant or lying. But they all have the safety net of its cooperative system, which I used to the point of exploitation. Across all three of those games I never learned to parry, I never did anything fancy, I pretty much just dodgerolled and swiped. I didn’t like fighting bosses in Dark Souls, at least not alone: I liked the atmosphere and the sense of discovery, I liked exploring the world. And I could do that so long as I could dodgeroll and swipe with reasonable effectiveness. That won’t work in Sekiro.

Sounds like a woman wrote this. What a fag.

this has all the same shitty flaws as every other souls game. Dead angle, phantom range (especially the grabs which have easily 200% the reach you can see), and auto-correct that's so far beyond believable all you can do is shake your head. This was forgivable in dark souls because you had i-frames to counter-bullshit their bad design but now you don't…ugh.

Is the lone shadow swordsman in the area where you first start the game (tutorial area) supposed to be an npc or an enemy? I noticed a talk prompt appear as I was going in for a backstab and now he's aggroed.

>>16294372

You can talk to him once and when you try the second time he aggros. Basically he just says how he is searching for a shinobi (you). Since his back is turned I assume it is just some extra dialogue for the sake of world building. Letting you know they are specifically out there for you.

>>16294403

>bowman

>x4 sword guys

>x2 shield guys

Kill the two sword guys in the gazebo to the left, then go down the hallway until you can get behind one of the shield guys. Stab that motherfucker and then dash toward the bowman. Take his bitch ass out. Then, kill the other two sword guys. Forget about the last shield guy, he's slow as fuck. Sometimes he'll run for a short distance but then get tired, if he does that and you're clear to kill him, then kill him. As for Juzou himself, he's a fag. He deals poison damage with his sake. Just pack some antidote powders or play keep away when his sword is imbued with poison. When he drinks, you can take the opportunity to get in some free hits. Don't get greedy. All of his shit can be parried, although he has a single grab attack that you'll want to avoid. Parry the fuck out of him, get in a few counter attacks, dodge his poison, git gud, and you're golden.

>>16294403

If you can't get good at deflecting just don't be greedy. Get in 1 or 2 hits at most and back out till you take his HP down. You are really gonna want to get good at deflecting though because for some of the later fights it is essential.

>>16294427

>>16294428

I've heard you can always kill all the mobs then hide away till he resets and you can sneak atack him then. Is that true?

>>16294430

I think his health will reset, but you can kill the guys, run away, wait for them to go back to default positions, then sneak behind him to get a free backstab. Then you're halfway done.

>>16294433

Well the idea is sneak behind him then, get a deathblow, run to the NPC, then tag team him that way.

>>16294430

Yea probably. You should be able to do that with every miniboss but why even bother when you can just take the fight as a learning experience and get good at deflecting? I mean I'm fine with stealthing up to a miniboss to take off 1 of their life bars but resetting their aggro seems pretty cheesy.

>>16294340

No not at all. It tries to have a story, but a majority of it is to "get shit for X" when X is.. summoning a giant rope golem to let you climb a cliff. All it accomplishes is the same "souls" pacing that DS2/3 had with "here's a little bit of something" except now it has "also kill your dad, but we didn't really set up the relationships at all so it really doesn't feel different than if it was just a generic mook with an hp bar and a different moveset"

>>16294437

Minibosses heal to full if you reset them.

Not really enjoying it. But I'll finish it anyway.

>>16294565

Yea but I mean if you aggro at first and reset to get a stealth attack. I'm of the mindset that if a miniboss is with a bunch of trash mobs you should probably take them all on without resetting the aggro. Whether you stealth all the mobs before the miniboss can see or you stealth up to the miniboss to get rid of 1 HP bar and worry about the trash mobs after. Resetting aggro after taking out all the trash mobs just seems too cheesy. There are planty of "legit" ways to handle the bosses in this game that it isn't really necessary and you are kind of hindering yourself if you haven't actually had any legit miniboss fights and learned the basics of deflecting by the time you get to normal bosses you can't cheese like that.

>>16294634

so, I take it you didn't like the game?

>>16293866

Gyoubu Oniwai's VA and the quality of hearing Robert instead of roberto are some moments you miss if you play with the Jap dialogue.

>>16293898

Spam nightjar slash if you want to cheese or just beat the shit out of her and throw shurikens when she jumps on the beams. Either way shes easy as fuck.

>>16294634

You made a garbage post last thread that was you just crying about how hard the game is. Not sure why you are crying again on another thread.

It's not felt rewarding to kill a boss since Genichiro; I'm up to fountainhead and pretty much everything after Genichiro has been draining, fun is at an absolute premium here.

>>16293942

He might mean her posture. I beat her yesterday and she doesn't restore health in either part of the fight as far as I could tell.

>>16294282

I had a miner in that first CODEX version. Went for Fitgirl instead.

>>16294634

I will try this game again soon, probably after DMC5 Bloody Palace, but this is accurate. It didn't really click with me but maybe next time will be different.

>>16294968

>fun is at an absolute premium here

Too true. I was hoping that From would leave their comfort zone of piss weak players and give us a more traditional action game, where the 2/3 hit kill mode would be unlocked later. A game where you can freely experiment and take some hits to find out what works and what doesn't. That training guy at the temple would be good, if not for him having one moveset that to me was easier than the rest to read and counter.

I really like it, the combat is fun, the bosses are varied so far (except for the monkey rehash but that fits with the story I guess)

>>16294236

The Bestowal Ninjutsu is broken OP. It lets you stunlock EVERYTHING IN THE GAME for the entire duration, and the extra damage it gives you does vitality dmg to enemies through their parrying, AND it demolishes their posture. I used it to kill the Seven Spears guy in NG+: backstabbed him, ran down to backstab that one samurai at the bottom of the stairs and activate the buff, ran back up and finished off the mini-boss. Took less than 20 seconds starting from the initial backstab. You can use it for Lady Butterfly and Horse General, too.

Has anyone went and tested what the "additional hardships" from Kuro's Necklace does, aside from block no longer being 100% damage reduction? And make sure to backup your save file regularly, saves are quite probe to corruption if the game crashes/freezes, or if you have a power failure, or other random computer issues.

>>16293586

Got to the horse boss and quit, it's not got fun combat and all the minibosses are just hit sponges, it got tedious and repetitive way too fast with no real wow factor to it. I beat DS1 and 3 but felt enjoyment all the way through even on shitty bosses, sekiro is just meh.

>>16295041

Forgot to add, but next time instead of cutting one arm off, cut them both and expand on each of the prosthetic weapons move set. A shinobi uses all of it's tools, it feels incredibly strange for everything besides the katana to feel so insignificant.

>>16293898

Snap peas get rid of her illusions instantly.

>>16294634

I thought the same of Nioh. It was repetitive and the diablo loot system and sectioned levels ruined any immersion. But the fighting system was amazing and the hitboxes not quite DS tier. But I still can't get past the original flaws.. it just gets boring too quickly, even if you don't exploit OP magic and ninjutsu.

I don't think sekiro even make it that far. It feels like it filtered out any casual fun and made it a slog

>>16293898

run around and corral her illusions until she snaps and then hide behind a pillar with your guard up.

If you don't want to waste time then get some snap peas and use them.

>>16293586

>stealth being completely broken

What did he mean by this?

>>16295222

Nice numbers slut

>>16295222

Is there a gallery of shotas being lured into sex by teenage girls with pieces of technology? Because I've been seeing more of these images recently.

>>16295253

Is this guy retarded? I dislike the game because of my innate autism with reaction times but it's not hard to press lb and rb in varying times.

It's only two buttons what the fuck. Three if you count the 'dodging'

I have a first generation i5 2300 LE and it runs at 60 FPS all the time. It must be your GPU.

Anyways, the game is one of the best ones I've ever played. But it took me about 12 hours to figure that out. The stealth isn't mechanically as deep as in MGS5, but I found myself enjoying it a lot more simply because in MGS5 there's really no need for stealth at all, while in sekiro it's a good idea to avoid the really powerful enemies. The ball aching difficulty makes the stealth work.

One of the weird things about sekiro's stealth is it is the only game with wall hugging mechanics where I found myself actually using it. It's actually useful. I normally never use wall hugging, ever.

Keep in mind I'm old as balls and grew up playing the thief games. This game was a welcome breath of fresh air.

The combat is great too, since you really have to clash swords with the enemy to get any results. The tools are useful too, every time you see red eyes just equip a flaming weapon and see them wince. The spear is great against sword wielders, poison against the cthulhu weird enemies, etc etc.

Once you can set your sword on fire with the ultimate ability of the prosthetic tree you can have some real fun.

The bosses vary from sekiro style parry fights to bloodborne 2.0 fights (looking at you demon of hatred).

>>16295302

Given what happened with Doom, I can't argue with this.

>>16295388

Fucking game journos

>>16293890

>Want to learn a boss's patterns? Too bad, die a bunch of times and do it through trial-and-error. "also get penalized for using the game's gimmick lol".

I sorely hate this about this game. They KNOW you're gonna die a bunch of times over cheap shit. So hey, why not hang this knife over your head to add to paranoia and frustration.

I think I'm reaching the end of the game triggered fight with Owl on my way to recommune the castle idols and I still have a shitload of techniques to master. Even with all the experience I lost, it still seems like a huge grind for a NG run; is this meant to be done in NG+?

Game is finally starting to click with me, shit that mopped the floor with me a few days ago is now a lot more manageable like those goddamned kick ninjas but when I start to get some enjoyment out this, here comes Fromsoft Bullshit(tm) - magnet grabs, Dark Souls 2 misty forest etc. Some bosses can also feel frustrating like illusory Corrupted Monk, you get some hints in and are bringing your A+ deflect game then you get hit once and the boss posture bar goes back to zero in the blink of an eye. Also doesn't help that most bosses have very large move sets with a series of variables; got stuck a while on the aforementioned boss and tried learning the strings, thought the lower swipes would always lead to a perilous sweep and then thrust out of fuckin' nowhere. I wish they'd at least change for each type or don't give a enemy all three types, for Pete's sake.

>>16295452

>why not hang this knife over your head to add to paranoia and frustration.

I don't mind the dragon cancer shit all that much because it does seem manageable with the items but losing money and experience is ridiculous. What ends up happening is that whenever there's a boss up ahead, I'll blow all my cash or grind the rest of a experience bar if I see it's 2/3 done or something.

Where do I go after I reach Ashina castle? I been exploring a little bit for the last few hours but I think I got three choices right now? Depths, Temple and Valley? I got to the end of the temple route, but only found an esoteric text I believe, I dunno if I'm missing something there. Haven't fully explored the other two routes.

>>16295565

At the temple you have to interact with the table in front of the buddha where you find the dragon blood droplet to go the next area.

What am I supposed to use to spook the horse of that dude at the gates? Been looking all over and I'm not sure where to go now.

Also are those snap seeds you find and are given before lady butterfly the only ones you get? That second phase fucked me over and I don't really know when to use them yet.

>>16295439

>butterfly woman

>m'lady butterfly

>old needle hag

whatever man

>>16295222

I think a more accurate translation would be:

>How about we make a challenge of this game?

>For every one death we'll do it one time.

>>16295565

From what I understand, you're meant to "clear" the castle before the other areas. At least the temple can't be completed without a key item.

>>16295604

Buy the firecrackers from the memorial mob.

Don't worry about the seeds, they don't do much and the mobs can be easily taken out in one hit, even from a shuriken though don't spend them all because they're very useful in that fight to knock her off the strings.

>big guy does combo

>parry it

>seems like he's recovering from it and it's nice time to counter

>start a swing

>fuck you here's attack for 40% of your vitality bar that's way faster than yours

Seems like I'm just going to beat Genichiro without doing any attacks other than double ichimonjis.

>>16295617

>not just baiting out the aerial grab and ass pound and getting free hits

People advise shurikens for her but letting the attacks come and punishing them is equally viable while letting you save shurikens and get through the mob phase easily.

>>16295752

cancel your swing

>>16295850

There are some neat areas.

>>16295857

elaborate pleas. Post some screenshots.

>>16295850

Other than huge statues and some exotic locations, there is 'dynamic' weather in play to change up ashina.

>>16295849

Stealth kill or getting their vitality down before hitting their posture.

>>16295850

It gets better as the game progresses. The penultimate area of the game is one of my favorite areas I've ever seen from a Fromsoft game.

>>16295873

>Don't be afraid to take care of one, run away, let aggro die, and then go back and do the second.

Oh sure, and I should wear a tutu and stick a dildo up my ass while I do that. Because if I'm gonna play like a turbofaggot I might as well do that too.

>>16295850

It doesn't really change you hit the full suite of fromsoft's staple areas that are required by law to be in a souls game. You have Poison land, Misty Forest, Temple, and Water Temple that you can completely bypass because the only real obstacle is a man who shoots homing lightning at you when you have to swim.

Also the combat gets old really fucking fast.

>>16295850

*feudal

>>16295907

Your meter can't "break" as long as you're deflecting.

>>16295899

>>16295881

post some screenshots

>>16295913

What? You mean when it fills up and turns red, you don't get staggered by blocking more hits? I assumed that mechanic was there to prevent you from blocking forever.

>>16295907

>bull

I have no idea what the game wants you to actually do but I ended up basically running as fast as he did sticking close to his side and taking some swings whenever I got a second and hoping I could stagger him. It was a dumb boss but I am more than willing to hear how I did it wrong

>>16295918

If you block, yes it'll break your guard and you'll sit there being retarded for a few seconds. But most attacks if you deflect it won't break your guard.

>>16295907

>posture never breaks as long as you are deflecting, YOU ARE FUCKING INVINCIBLE until you block if your posture bar is maxed out

>you can abuse this if you see a predictable combo and intentionally block and drop your posture but be safe as the boss wont throw any attacks afterwards, see: genichiro

>no matter how fucking fast you press the block button, you will always either block or deflect but do note that mashing it makes it harder to deflect

>jumping is sometimes better

stop being a bitch and stand still

>>16295907

>you can't block all of their attacks without running out of poise

Your guard will never break when you do a perfect block, even if your meter is full. If you hold the block button when you're not being attacked it also recovers more quickly, so try to do that whenever the enemy isn't doing anything.

>>16295919

I think that is how most people fought it. Apparently you can deflect his hits but it will still chip at your HP and cause burn buildup and there are small windows to sidestep through his attacks but just sprinting is the easiest method for that enemy in particular.

>>16295907

Like >>16295922 said, if your posture goes down and you're afraid to fuck up you can sprint away and stand there blocking to regain posture, but the lower your health is the lower your posture regeneration is going to be.

>>16295920

>>16295919

>>16295921

>>16295922

Holy shit that is the worst-explained parry mechanic in any action game ever. Thanks anons. I guess it can be summed up as:

>always be parrying

>unless you're not going to get hit, then block to drop posture bar

>only dodge if they do a grab/poke/sweep

>>16295938

Mikiri counter or deflect if they do a poke. Jump and them immediately jump off of them for posture damage and swing twice as you descend to deal with sweeps. Jump away or sidestep for grabs.

>>16295907

With some enemies it feels you're better off wailing on them more than deflecting like Juzou and the Ogre. When their HP hits a certain point, deflecting will start to pay off as their posture will take ages to drain. Also, against skinnier bosses like Snake Eyes and ninjas, the axe with sword follow up does a lot of posture damage.

On the note of tools and arts, I have to admit I'm not getting much mileage from them besides a select few, mostly shurikens, firecrackers and axe for the tools and for arts, I pretty much only use the Nightjar Reversal. I feel I'm missing something.

>>16295938

Ackshually, there are instances where you want to dodge into a hit instead of parrying to get their vitality lower so they don't regenerate posture so quickly.

>>16295953

The tools are meant to be situational items, so don't feel bad if you're not using, say, the umbrella all the time. Find places where you think a specific tool might be helpful and try to use it - you might be pleasantly surprised.

>>16295938

If you were parrying every hit instead of holding the guard button down like a fag, you wouldn't need us to tell you what to do.

>>16295938

Yeah the combat doesn't really have a ton of depth to it. Well you missed the "perilous attacks" which you have to counter a specific way, but it doesn't help break the combat up much.

>>16295953

You aren't really, the tools/arts are incredibly specialized in their uses with only a few being exceptions. (Firecrackers for example stun almost every boss in the game for varying amounts of time. The First corrupted monk fight it stuns him for a single hit, but the real one you can get 4 hits off per firecracker).

>>16295439

>>16295943

>>16295604

>>16295969

it was translated to lady butterfly instead of phantom butterfly

>>16295988

The axe is pretty much only for breaking the few shield enemies, the spear is useful for the ape fights, shurikens are good at preventing bosses from getting poise back, shield is good for demon of hatred, firecrackers are good for everything else.

>>16295988

you can enemy step enemies in the game, the only skill you need to unlock is the mikiri counter if you want to deal with thrusts

>>16295988

You can goomba stomp most if not all enemies I think. It is the way you are really supposed to deal with perilous sweeps since it does a nice chunk of posture damage and you can get a couple hits in as you are landing. I find it easier if you don't hold any directional inputs and just let them come to you. Play around with it.

>>16295967

Deflection and Dragonrot mechanics (revival doesn't spread it, dying and being sent back to an idol does) will probably be the things that people will have a problem with since the game doesn't really explain it well.

>>16296004

It's a disappointing game. Either pirate it or if you're a diehard buyfag wait until it's 20$. It's not worth a cent more.

>>16296003

Yea there really should be some kind of indication that your NPCs won't actually die.

>>16295967

>On that topic, it chaps my ass that they clearly designed a combat system that is meant to give you satisfying one-on-one fights and then made most of the minibosses surrounded with worthless adds.

Yeah, it's frustrating though it can be interesting once you have the Puppet ninjutsu. My odd comparison would be with God Hand, the game doesn't feel designed to engage multiple enemies besides cannon fodder peons. There's a quest line the dungeon surgeon that ends with a 2v1 in a small place and it's hell if you want to face them head on.

>>16295988

Axe is very useful mein Führer but you need to get the art that allows for a sword follow-up to get the most out of it. Honestly, I'd still be fighting those mummies with the ghetto shotguns if it weren't for it.

>>16295993

Overall the mini-bosses feel much harder than the main bosses. I'm near end-game and only now I'm bothering with Headless. When I went through Bloodborne I kept wondering "golly gee willickers, wouldn't it be great if every game had Frenzy?" Thanks Blumpf.

>>16296013

Goddamnit! I've been burning my shekels on dragon cancer pills.

>>16296013

Or that curing it is permanent for those NPCs affected. I was constantly worried about re-infecting a bunch of people, but literally the moment I met a new NPC and got killed she got sick. Also, it's bullshit that meeting new people doesn't increase your chance of unseen aid, but those new people getting sick lowers it.

Anyway, now that I know how deflecting is supposed to work I killed the general guy surrounded by riflemen. Feels a lot better knowing that deflection is always better than dodging on regular attacks.

>>16296013

The game and the doctor really hype up dragonrot so I think the purpose is to make the player worried about death. Not sure why though, it seems like you have to truly die a lot to give someone a bad cough. To the point where you would have to be trying.

>>16296070

Pretty sure. I cured the first three infected with the free one you get from the doctor, and god knows I got rekt at least a dozen times until I met the lady on the bridge right after the horse guy boss. I died once, and she was coughing up a lung.

>>16296004

I don't see how it's all the same really. How is a lush garden lake with high-class architecture (only slightly ruined) the same as a dilapidated practically underground swamp village, or underwater ruins? The snowy castle rooftops are part of the baseline setting, but even that looks way different when you are running around on the roofs vs walking through the streets and distant forts.

>Using the combo attack from the purple umbrella removes divine confetti buff

Fucking why?

God damn this game becomes such a massive grindy slog; there aren't even fucking levels but arm ammo is now 50 fucking gold a pop, I constantly need money, nothing drops shit, I need shit from the fucking merchants, I need to farm shit from fucking enemies and if I want to get strong enough to beat the endgame I need to fight 50 fucking minibosses that are harder than most of the actual bosses and even then I'll never have enough health to not get one shot 100 parries into nth phase of some meme-maria bossfight. Sekiro is like a second job, I can't wait to be rid of it but for some reason I need to finish it.

>>16296185

Meanwhile I'm capped at 999 emblems and I'm buying all the coin pouches the vendors have because I've got nothing else to do with the money. The emblem cost going up from 10 to 50 is bullshit, but by the time they are at 50 enemies are dropping about 120 sen each, so you still get 2-3 emblems per kill at all levels, plus the emblems they drop directly.

>>16296185

Maybe you should stop playing the game if you're not enjoying it, rather than shitting the thread up with complaints about how bad you are.

>"if I want to get strong enough to beat the endgame I need to fight 50 fucking minibosses"

God, you're embarassing.

>>16296185

The game is a chore to play, but not for the reasons you said. The ninja tools are fucking useless how are you using that many emblems.

>>16296080

I'm curious if the game has an order and just waits for you to meet new NPCs before the game decides they're going to start hacking and wheezing. The sculptor and old maid got sick with me the first time and then two other NPCs got sick after them.

there is SOOOOOOOOOO much talking. I've just started skipping every conversation.

also I can't take the Japanese language seriously anymore, everything sounds goofy when they try to sound serious in this game.

>>16296237

theres an english dub if you can't comprehend a foreign language.

>>16296250

i actually wasn't aware there was a dub, i figured they purposely subbed everything like they did with Dark souls for japan, cause well… japan i guess

>>16295919

Bull and Demon of Hatred are Dark Souls boss and have no business being Sekiro bosses. They drop the overall quality and enjoyment of the game.

>>16295938

>dodge/sprint (sprint is really good for avoiding stuff) attacks that do elemental type damage that still hurts you through your parries

>you can also use raven feathers for those attacks

>makiri stomp thrusts

>dodge grabs

>jump sweeps, then double jump for posture damage, AND then do a weapon art while falling down

>if you're not parrying or a fraction of a second away from needing to parry, attack

That's Sekiro combat 101. Some enemies have big fat telegraphed attack that drain a ton of posture but are super easy to dodge, like Drunkard vertical slams and one of Owl's cleave attacks. Some enemies you can always interrupt their sweeps/grabs by just smacking them, most notably Genichiro and purple ninja faggots.

>>16295953

Fat enemies like drunkards and Seven Spears are very much easier to treat as punching bags, as opposed to quick and savage fights against the more agile enemies. You'll generally kill them much faster if you focus on getting a lot of hits in between their slow swings and parrying their odd attacks.

>>16295953

Shurikens are good to interrupt actions or get free hits against agile enemies. Firecrakers will stun most enemies and allow you a few hits, although their utility is questionable against enemies that only let you get a single hit in. Poison sword is great when it works, which isn't often. Feathers are generally too expensive for most bosses, but I've found them to be useful on Headless. Shield is great against Shichi Warrior occult guys and Demon of Hatred, also useful against Isshin and his annoying charged attacks. Spear, axe, fan, flamethrower are mostly garbage, though some anon said flamethrower can be used to buff your weapon with fire.

>>16296163

Probably a bug, got me killed a few times too.

I tested the NG+ Kuro's Charm thing against gun enemies, and having the extra suffering on seems to had around 25% to 33% damage. Based on highly accurate eyeballin'it testing methodology.

>>16296250

>>16296277

just switched it and the english is even goofier.

>talked to the tengu samurai

>a-a-a-are y-you a-alright?

fucking laughed

>>16296338

The main thing the "extra suffering" does is cause enemies to damage you when you block instead of parry.

>>16296346

Well ya, but it adds a large amount of extra damage, which I haven't seen anyone mention before.

>>16296338

>Firecrakers will stun most enemies and allow you a few hits, although their utility is questionable against enemies that only let you get a single hit in

I always use the Long Spark firecrackers to create an opening to heal myself if the enemy doesn't give me one, it's very nice if you're in a tight spot and can't afford to get hit again. Using it offensively is only worth it against beast enemies from my experience.

>>16296338

>some anon said flamethrower can be used to buff your weapon with fire.

It can, it's either an upgrade or a skill you unlock.

>>16296394

it's the final skill in the prosthetic arts tree. Don't really think it's worth it though.

>>16296446

I think the Ashina latent skills that increase posture damage from deflections and other sources are good.

>>16296446

>free health for every deathblow

just in case you fuck up your stealth and get hit while running with a tail between your legs and sometimes between phases you don't have to reach for your healing gourd

>mikiri counter + MORE POSTURE DAMAGE on mikiri couner

must have

>anything that reduces posture on block/deflect

>extra spirit emblems

FREE DAMAGE

>maxing out one of the skill tree to get another skill tree (the tenga mask one that gives you it)

>>16296446

Heal vitality on deathblow, Mikiri stomp and its upgrade, and stealth sight and sound. All the Ashina skills except Cross and posture on deathblows. Those are the core ones.

"[L1] the moment an attack lands: Deflect"

Yet it is neither just before an attack lands nor at the start of the animation but at an arbitrary point mid swing that changes per enemy.

Why must every game with parry mechanics lie to me so?

Is there some obvious cue i'm missing or is it more trial and error bullshit for the rest of the game?

Also,

>No issues with first "miniboss" in tutorial, take a single hit

>walk slightly forward

>first death from poison with no way to cure it from sneaky swamp creatures in a bland area with no rewards that you can easily ignore/jump over.

10/10 design

>>16296446

Ichimonji combat art and it's upgraded version are great for killing enemy posture.

>>16295974

>Yeah the combat doesn't really have a ton of depth to it. Well you missed the "perilous attacks" which you have to counter a specific way, but it doesn't help break the combat up much.

The combat in Sekiro to me is honestly indistinguishable from games like Dark Souls or Metal Gear Rising or the new Ys games. You don't have the amount of build variety as in DaS, but that's a different issue entirely. Even per build your defensive/offensive options were very small.

Just like most modern action games you press the magic parry/dodge button before an attack is about to land, except dodges and jumps give you next to no i-frames and thus more similarly resemble the defensive play in DMC with Royal Guard where you actually have to take positioning your dodges and jumping into account when dodging attacks instead of having a one-size-fits-all solution like the Souls roll or Flash Guarding in the party Ys games.

>>16295948

I really like Sekiro's aesthetics, but that might be that I have a fetish for oriental tile rooftops.

There's no need for giant stupid looking high fantasy castles here.

>>16296475

Extra spirit emblems is hardly worth the cost. You get ONE emblem per skill, and you start with 15 already. Use the ceremonial tanto if you need more than that.

>>16296446

BY skill tree:

>Shinobi Arts

Mid Air deflection, Mikiri Counter, Breath of Life: Light and Shinobi Eyes are all must-have. I also recommend Vault Over, Suppress Sound, and Shadowrush on a lower priority. Basically the entire tree except for the second emblem upgrade.

>Prosthetic arts

Nothing here is mandatory, but all of the blue skills except maybe the ultimate are good (ultimate is powerful, but only benefits the least-used tools so you might not really use it). The red skills are also pretty decent.

>Ashina Arts

Asending Carp and Decending Carp are must-have. Flowing Water is also very nice. You can take Ichimoji Double if you want. Skip Breath of Nature and the ultimate skill

>Temple arts

The entire tree is mostly useless. The best skill in the tree is the passive that increases sugar durations, but those buffs are insanely small as it is and it's not worth unlocking all the prereqs that suck. All the red skills here suck. The +item/sen drop skills are nice, but you'll completely outgrow them by NG+.

>Mushin Arts

Only 3 skills exist in this tree, so I'll go over them all:

<Shadowfall

Upgrade to Shadowrush. It makes the skill a little bit better, but only a little. However, it requires the ultimate temple arts skill to unlock, and there's no way it's worth that many points.

<Spiral Cloud Passage

This skill stays hidden until you defeat the divine dragon. IT looks cool as hell, a rapid series of 9 slashes in wide area. Unfortunately, it does fuck all damage, so it's not worth using.

<Enhanced Mortal Draw

Arguable. Both the prereqs are decent enough so it should be reasonably affordable. The skill does really good damage in a huge area, but it's also very slow and expensive. You'll lose this skill along with the mortal blade itself in the beginning of NG+. I think the skill you get from the final boss is much better anyway.

>>16296583

I did not know that. I guess Sabimaru does have a use then.

>>16296529

I didn't actually intend on posting this but accidentally hit the reply button anyways, so I might as well dig this hole deeper

Only having one continuous attack swing is because constantly wailing on a blocking enemy is what the game is designed around. Preset combos which increase in damage with each later hit and leave you with a lot of recovery frames on the last hit would be rather pointless because enemies can break out of your combo (more accurately, they will initiate a counter attack after blocking your nth hit) at set intervals. Case in point, Ashina Style's Floating Passage. You want to not mash and not do a flurry because the enemy might decide to perfect parry one of your strikes and initiate an attack with poise while you're trying to play DMC. In fact, you want to gauge the enemy's reaction after each strike so you don't end up eating a perilous attack.

Having a faster weapon which allows you to spam strikes with barely any recovery frames would make it piss easy to dodge attacks, and having an even slower weapon would have some dubious usefulness if the Axe Prosthetic is any indication. In fact, most Combat Arts aren't even worth using because of how fast enemies can strike again (with poise) and because of the amount of recovery frames involved. The reason that Ichimonji Double is the best CA by far is because there's at least always room for a charge attack move in any game ever (inflicting some nice Posture damage), and because it even recovers your Posture, so you can combine recovery with offense in 1v1s.

On the melee side of things there isn't much that Sekiro can do without upsetting the Balance, however I do wish that the prosthetics were at least a bit more versatile during boss fights.

>>16296592

>The reason that Ichimonji Double is the best CA by far

Debatable. Ichimonji fills a niche it's true, but Shadowrush, Whirlwind, and Nightjar Slash (Reversal) all have their own niches as well.

I'm telling you to hone your backjumping skills. 9 times of 10 it's a more effective dodge than the dodge button. Just wiped out the chained ogre and the general douchebag that came after him. Done with the snake now I'm on to Gyobu and nothing I do seems to work including the backjump that has gotten me this far.

>>16296649

Gyobu is one of the easiest fights in the game. You pretty much just walk up to him and whale on him, blocking occasionally. I don't think he even has a perilous attack.

>>16296563

Bull appears hard due to the spectacle of a giant bull with fire running around a small arena. Smack it in the ass and use firecracker. If you want to hit it in the head for high posture damage just deflect its charges while using a burn medicine.

>>16296661

He has a few. He uses them on me.

>>16296672

maybe the chain whip. you are supposed to grapple him when he does that, but it's harmless if you are close to him

>>16296649

All his charges can be blocked. Hit him with firecrackers and wail on him. Super easy.

>>16296712

Dont have any. Where are those?

>>16296731

Buy em from the crow merchant.

>>16296731

There's a merchant in the Ashina Outskirts you can find between the gate sculptor's idol and the next one, you can buy the firecracker shinobi tool for 500 sen from him.

>>16296736

>>16296754

>>16296731

The merchant in question is on one of the highest points in the area between the "gate path" and "stairway" idols.

>>16296671

The bull animorphs into capra demon on ng+. The two dudes get right back up and come at you after the first charge.

>>16296769

How good is NG+? Do you keep your shinobi tool upgrades and stuff?

>>16296773

You pretty much keep everything except the Mortal Blade and the swim skill. You do have to go through the tutorial without sword/prosthetic first, but once you have them you are set. Bosses drop repeat boss memories for attack power boosts, but prayer beads are still one time only. If you want max health you have to find all 40 beads yourself, not farm the same spots in NG+

>>16296769

I'm still on ng, if that's true that sounds amazing.

The game needed more ebin samurai showdown bosses and minibosses instead of whatever the fuck reject Dork Souls bosses they crammed in this game. The shinobi prosthetic tools could've also been actually useful instead of ranging from literally worthless to "just kill this enemy for free". The camera could've been better, not randomly unlocking when an enemy moves too quickly or gets too close to you. Grabs could've been less bullshit, and a lot of the enemies have terrible telegraphing on moves that take most of your health in one swing.

But uh, hey, it's only From's 5th(?) attempt at making a similar game, I'm sure they'll get better soon.

>>16296778

Great, I ignored firecrackers and other prosthetics that are actually pretty useful in my first playthrough.

>>16296583

I know it does but when I tried it, I didn't get much results. Supposedly, the boss versions need two full combos of it. Regular ones, I just overwhelm with R1 spam and male privilege.

>>16296644

Nightjar Reversal served me the best so far - decent damage to both HP and posture, relatively quick and good range.

Anyway, just beat Corrupted Monk, somehow a lot easier than the illusion mostly because it's much more susceptible to firecrackers and the posture damage doesn't go up in smoke in the blink of an eye unlike Monk's phase 2 that you can just deathblow through. The view right after that fight is quite something; there's nothing too fancy in this game so this area really makes a impression.

Side note, seeing the 8000 experience I'm probably gonna see shaved soon got me wondering if it wouldn't have been better if boss XP was a usable item like boss souls in DaS. A small mercy for this system.

And btw was I the only one who thought we'd have to replay a boss fight to boost attack? "Confront memory" sure sounded like that.

>>16296889

>deathblow on Corrupted Monk

How? He just goes invisible while the shadows are out. The only thing I found that helped was using raven feathers, which immediately ended shadow phase and made the boss show up again.

I hope theres a machine gun for my prosthetic like Hyakkimaru in Dororo.

>>16296923

Didn't know that. Shadow phase is a huge waste of time, but as long as you keep facing the middle of the bridge you could just hold guard (not even trying to parry) and block everything.

>>16296923

You can hook to a high branch and do a leaping deathblow to cut through phase 2 entirely.

>>16295617

>from the memorial mob.

Where? I just killed butterfly granny and I'm not sure where else to go besides the horse boss.

>>16296983

Firecracker salesman is just before the old lady who gives you the bell, up on top of a very tall hill.

>>16297008

Sorry to disappoint, but at least you get a unique prosthetic upgrade material out of it.

>>16296987

Ah, got it. Completely missed that spot.

After killing the great white snake, you land on a ledge. I fell down and am now wondering how to get back up there

Seems like the only way of getting there is by killing the snake. Is there any other way?

Just want to say the skill you get for beating the final boss is insanely powerful. One shots lots of regular enemies from a huge range, and that's the un-charged version.

>>16296889

>Anyway, just beat Corrupted Monk

How the hell do you even beat him? When I try to strike him from the front it's like he takes no damage from me at all, and his spear swipes deal so much knockback and Posture damage that it's impossible to reasonably counter

>>16297049

He swings once every few seconds, giving you plenty of time to pile up damage on him.

>>16297030

Nothing there but a Dragon Droplet and a bundled Jizo statue

>>16296979

Try to kite around him like that but he still gets me.

>>16297077

Nigger you're like halfway through the game

>>16297088

>>16297077

Not even. He's generally the 3rd boss, although you might skip lady butterfly. Out of like 17ish?

>>16297092

Sorry, only 12, and that includes a couple of things that shouldn't really be considered bosses. Plenty of minibosses to make up the difference though

>>16297088

>>16297092

>>16297103

>>16297104

Awesome. I beat the first phase on my first try but then died in the second phase. The second phase seemed pretty climactic so I was worried that might have been the end.

>all these shitters getting stuck

what the fuck /v/

>>16297110

Protip: jump>parry>attack to reflect lightning back at him. If you dont attack before you hit the ground though, you get fried.

>>16297115

It's a bunch of faggots from cuckchan/reddit, otherwise they would not enjoy this tripe.

I've never played a From game. Is this worth getting? It looks like it might be very good, but also might be in that mediocre Shadow of Mordor level of gameplay.

>>16297134

No. It's shit that's combat consists of spamming one attack until you have to parry or dodge the counter.

>>16297134

Pirate it

>>16297134

Pirate and see for yourself. Its Dark Souls 3/Bloodborne on cocaine with a tacked on stealth and grapple hook gimmick, one weapon, a bunch of parrying and you're as weak as tissue paper. If you like the sound of that, you probably will enjoy Sekiro.

>>16297134

>but also might be in that mediocre Shadow of Mordor level of gameplay

Yeah no, when people rip on it it's being compared to other From and Japanese games. It's nowhere near as bad (or bad at all) compared to Western garbage.

>>16297201

Alright, I'll give it a whirl. Does the Fitgirl one work okay?

>ctrl-f crack

>all i get are people talking about fire(crack)ers

So, is there no crack out for it yet I guess?

>>16297134

Not really, the combat itself is as shallow as a wading pool. And unfortunately that's the entire game, it's short with no replayability except if you want to get the other endings, which you can run through the game in about 2 hours if you just B line the bosses.

Everything is shallow is the main issue. Your main source of character progression is technically skill points? but you only have a handful of actually useful things across all the trees. The upgrades you get for killing bosses are an incredibly small damage increase and the hp increase isn't massive as well.

It's a shallow wading pool of a game with so little variation from start to end, and so many half baked and poorly implemented ideas, it's difficult to get any value out of multiple playthroughs. Not worth 60$ at all.

>>16297247

Cracks been out since day 1

>>16297247

>>16297255

More like day 0, since the japanese released it a day earlier. And it doesn't have donotbuyuvo.

>>16297255

I've been struggling to enjoy a replay of the game on NG+. There's just no motivation. The game's much less forgiving, but I already learned all the patterns and strategies, so all that's left is to do it again but a little better.

>>16296979

bretty gud. I should try playing without lockon more, seems like it can break the game.

>>16297074

you can do a plunging attack on that boss

>>16297318

>get puppet master ninjutsu

>walk around with an unkillable body guard of 2 or so samurai

>as long as I keep going and the spirit emblems keep dropping I can maintain em

Ah yes, sekiro, unforgiving and brutal!

>>16297318

>get spotted by anything except a boss

>climb a roof and squat there until everyone fucks off then sneaknigger them

>after sneakniggering one guy fart out a smoke cloud and take another one or two

>or puppet ninjutsu and let your guy clear the whole group of enemies

Truly the Dark Souls 2 of not Soulslike games.

>>16297318

Hell no, some of the bosses are pretty rough. Or rather, while the combat mechanics are super shallow, some of the bosses require a high degree of mastery over the system, along with good reflexes. Isshin took me longer and felt harder than any other Souls boss, with second and third place going to Fume Knight and 2CATS LMAO.

>>16297318

Naw, it's harder than muh blind Level 1 Souls playthroughs so far. Souls was never actually hard.

>>16297347

>2CATS LMAO.

Fuck those guys.

>>16297336

>and the spirit emblems keep dropping

they're ridiculously easy to keep stocked up on if you actually spend some of your sen before losing it.

>>16297228

I had trouble with the partial custom installer bullshit of fitgirl before. So if your bandwith isn't limited just get the skidrow release. It's like 15GB only.

>>16297357

The iframes on rolls alone made the original souls games easy as shit.

>>16297391

Pretty much. Who needs coop when you can run around with a zombie army?

how the fuck am I supposed to kill the demon of hatred?

>>16297448

anti-fire umbrella blocks any attack you might have difficulty with, if you have the combo skill it does massive damage to him too. The perilous attack is actually a sweep, just jump

someone post magnet so i can talk about how much this game sucks

>>16297424

Exactly, huge crutch I'm glad is gone and hope stays gone. Forces From to pay attention to hitboxes too.

>>16297460

>>16297448

Either block the stomps or sprint away, they're too damn hard to parry reliably and you can afford the extra posture damage. And make sure you have a fire gourd.

>>16297473

>Forces From to pay attention to hitboxes too.

It's a real fucking shame that they didn't, though.

>>16297479

>wah the ogre caught me because I didn't know holding sprint trivializes him yet

Oh no the game is ruined

>>16297278

>>16297255

Downloadan now.

I'm just hoping it isnt dolphin porn.

I'm pretty sure my GTX 1060 can run the game just fine.

>>16297500

My GTX 1050 2GB can do it at 60 FPS, so don't worry. Slowdowns might occur at massive battles, but then I can lower the graphics.

The game IS 14.4 GB right?

>>16297491

>the corrupted monk's overhead chop attack and his stab will completely miss you and still do damage

>stabs regularly hit you even if you jump clear over them

>seven ashina spears general has an uppercut that hits behind him even though his spear is fucking underground at that point

>the snake eyes grab

That's just shit I can remember off the top of my head. But I'm glad you like this Dark Souls 2-tier trashfire of a game.

>>16297515

Yeah.

Just got finished getting my ass kicked by O'rin of the Water in NG+. Parrying did jack shit to her posture bar and you almost never get a chance to hit her either. Two things I found that worked: Flamethrower with fire sword combo, the initial flamethrower hit (uncharged) staggers her, about 3-4 parried sword swings sets her on fire, which causes her to kneel down and let you hit her 3-5 times. Result is about 25% of her health bar per attempt. Second thing is a flying ichimoji, which actually does do noticeable posture damage. Still the hardest thing in NG+ so far.

>>16297448

Sprint to his left leg and watch all the stomps and most of his attacks start missing

>>16297474

I think I collected all the scales in the game and I only have 1 left. do they drop off anything or am I fucked?

>chained ogre does a command grab

>i am realistically about 10 feet to the extreme right of the direct he is moving in a straight line

>vaccum sucked into his command grab and thrown off a cliff to die

I feel like they don't work on these bad hitboxes because it can be excused by the difficulty meme but this is shit that was wearing thin in Bloodborne to say nothing of DS3. The longer it goes on the more you wonder if they can't fix it or think its fine because people will be scared to call it out for being called casual. The game feels fine bar minor stuttering on the framerate very rarely but the broken command grabs and hitbox bullshit is inexcusable this many games in a row.

>>16297551

nvm, supposedly the priest at mibu water mill wants the water of the palace and he'll give me scales. I'll try that

>>16297528

I'm pretty sure he was designed to be parried or otherwise kick your shit in with his double slash instant death.

About how long is this game?

>>16297563

The chained ogre dive-grab is meant to be jumped over. Jumping in any direction will reliably evade it.

>>16297603

20 or so hours with no replayability.

>>16297604

Not the point. Getting sucked through his arms from the side of him is some Watchdog of the Old Lords shit that doesn't teach the player what they may have done wrong and the gameplay mechanics are not designed around it. Its bugged shit that gets a free pass and this many games in its legitimate horseshit. I will defend shit like Ludwigs ceiling crawl but this shit should have been solved games ago.

>>16297448

i just did it. i cant for the life of me reliably dodge the straight line fire (the hook shot detection is a little broken there, i think) so i had to use the fire umbrella. you basically have to stick to his nuts and know when you have to fuck off. all his unblockables are dodged with just a jump. blocking his fire hand does damage to you. he also has a bit of a secret (sorta) unblockable jump attack, you can dodge that one easy though. the umbrella trivializes his big flaming stomp. just count to 3 from the impact then you get 2-3 free hits and you sometimes a stun for 4-5 free hits. the big thing is the dashing unblockable. he does it right after his basic bitch combo and follows it up with tossing fireballs or a vertical slice attack. just keep your distance then start moving in.

his second and third phases get a few upgrades. the main one is the straight line fire i mentioned. he does it right after the unblockable dash. its real fucking hard to dodge. the timing is goofy. ..or you can just block it with the umbrella and scoot up to him. the other upgrades are a homing fireball summoning attack you can run by(or umbrella but running is preferred), an unblockable arm spinny attack (swoops twice, causes a ring of fire to appear around you), and an unblockable double dash attack (phase 3 ish, same as regular dash but comes back a second time for a sweep. note: he will still attack from outside the fire ring like normal after the second swoop).

if you can consistently beat the first phase, you've already got it. just gotta deal with the newer bullshit and reduce damage. umbrella should ideally only be used for the big fire stomp,the big fire line, and the homing fireballs (if they get too close). try not to use it to much on the other stuff, it wastes paper. i think confetti + ako works on him but it doesnt last long enough since he keeps running around.

>>16297563

i think the game does a lot more rubberbanding than the dark souls games do. they really want to punish dodging this time around which is probably whats tripping up all the souls nerds. some attacks can travel distances longer than they appear too. you gotta react with good timing in this game.

>>16297617

Glad I'm not the only one who had difficulty with that one attack.

>>16297603

>>16297612

Definitely not 20 unless you go for the short ending. If you explore everything and do all of the optional fights it's at least 30 hours, probably even more if you take your time and experiment a bit with the tools or get stuck at some of the encounters.

>>16297621

The big stomp is REALLY easy to run away from, and then you get a grapple point before the knockback shockwave to come back in for free damage. The only reason to umbrella that is because it gets you even more damage on him, especially with the umbrella combo move.

Personally I umbrella the combos (both close range attacks starting with an arm swipe), the fire line slam, and if necessary (if he's too far away) the fireball barrage (but NOT the homing fireballs, that will break your posture and get you instakilled).

>>16297638

I said "stomp", I meant the jump slam. It was probably understood but just in case.

>>16294191

go back to the cave where you fought him a second time, his body should still be there. you can still get the technique

>>16297655

>people having issues with knockoff spear guy

Fire stuns him, firecrackers stun him, if you fight him on the stairs its super easy to dodge his attacks. No wonder so many people are getting upset at this game and calling it shit. People can't even play this game without having OP weapons, iframes, absurd amounts of healing early, stats, ect.

>>16297638

i donno. wasting emblems is a thing. i usually use the fireball toss to refresh buffs or heal up (blues, douse, etc) since you can just stand there right outside of range especially when he does it twice. also yeah the big fire slam is better when you umbrella it. free damage + chance at a stun.

but yeah, once you get into a rhythm its a real fun fight.

>>16297670

spear guy is easy as shit, just mikri counter him. the second fight with spear guy is even easier.

>>16297679

Did you get the sacrificial Tanto? That lets you consume health for free emblems that go over the cap you can carry.

>>16293898

spam dodge then spin attack

>>16297699

I personally like to use Tanto emblems as often as possible, that way I can usually accumulate storable emblems from enemy drops. But since I have 999 of those now I don't really worry too much.

>>16297722

It IS Kevin Nash

>>16297726

Well, he does look like a baka gaijin.

>>16297722

>Spoiler

Too bad it's in the most retarded place that's easily missed because it's in a fucking campfire

Had to look it up well after a few hours because I knew I was missing something

>>16297751

No. It's the head blue guy right before genichiro.

>>16297775

That guy and the blue samurai guys only use the lunge special attack, no sweeps, so they are great for learning how to use Mikiri Counter properly.

>>16297783

I'm pretty sure you are mistaken about the miniboss. He only has the iai jutsu and a sweep, no thrust. The regular blue samurai use ichimoji and a thrust.

>>16297751

He's talking about the ashina elite Jinsuke.

>>16297749

>Can't find a giant noisy raging man beast ogreman.

>Looked for hours

>Had to use a guide

When you get up to the castle antechamber and proceed up to the dojo, it's pretty hard not to hear the ogre shouting downstairs. I think that you can even hear it shouting while you're outside the castle. It was not really a huge secret. Do you even use common sense when playing vidya?

>>16297788

The Dojo master guy doesn't thrust? Then must've just chain-parried, I guess.

But the regular blue samurai dudes are still good for the mikiri practice.

>>16297798

I'm talking of finding the fire for your prosthetic. Though I guess I should've specified your second spoiler since I get having a basic sense of reading comprehension is a rarity these days.

>>16297655

That's real nice. What does any of that have to do with those enemies having terrible hitboxes?

>>16297818

Stab attacks will hit you no matter what, unless you use the B button on them for either a side step or a mikiri.

Sweeps will hit you unless you are out of range, way behind them or jump.

It's by design.

>>16297828

Oh, so when I take damage while the enemy's weapon didn't connect with me, it's by design? That's great.

>>16297839

It is. The game tells you that multiple times.

Got the firecrackers, I see how to do Point A but Point B with the grapple attack is something I don't have yet, and is gonna need some grinding. Guess I'm going back to the past with all those angry bald torch wielding ASSholes.

>>16297851

I'm glad that you like a game that's bad by design and tries to sell it off as "but it's really difficult", but that doesn't sound like my cup of tea.

>>16297859

You're trying to put a square peg into a round hole and complaining the hole has no edges. The dark souls 'roll to evade everything' style of gameplay is deliberately made not to work in this game.

>>16297828

>Stab attacks will hit you no matter what, unless you use the B button on them for either a side step or a mikiri.

I think that some thrust special attacks can be parried if you're spot on with the timing, but you can't just hold down L1.

>>16297865

They should have designed the attack's hit box to match the graphics. period. It's fine to make certain attacks only avoidable in certain ways, it's not fine to have attacks you visually avoided hit you anyway because from are a bunch of retarded niggers who can't program for shit.

Aww shit, just got the flame barrel

>>16297865

>you have to do this exact specific thing when the big red "oh no" comes up on the screen

>doing anything else gets you fucked

Ah, so I guess I'm playing a samurai total conversion of Simon Says?

>>16297894

pretty much, yeah. it is a video game. or did you think you were actually mastering the blade?

>>16297965

I was wondering when someone would finally make that joke

>>16297971

>>16297965

With the puppet skill, you can organize cock fights in Hirata.

>>16298005

Not really fair though, my cock is invincible.

Everybody says the roosters deal major damage but I havent been hit by one yet. They're kinda chumps as an enemy.

MY NAME

>>16295993

I had so much trouble with him until I found out you could grapple hook him, then he just becomes easy.

>>16296563

Bull is easy if you do the matador method

Just did some testing on buff durations with and without the Devotion skill. What I've found is that consummable item buffs last exactly twice as long as non-consummable buffs, and the skill increases both durations by exactly 50%. Ako's Spiritfall lasts 15 seconds by default, up to 22.5 seconds with the skill, Ako's Sugar lasts 30 seconds, up to 45 seconds with the skill. Gachiin's (stealth) buffs lasts 30/45 seconds non-consummable, and 60/90 seconds on the consummable version.

Personally, I don't think that a 15 second attack buff that doesn't even add 20% damage is worth spending emblems on, and I don't think that a 50% boost on something that shitty is worth 8 skill points (because like hell you are going to buy the prereqs normally).

>>16298040

wait until you get to the area where they can gang up on you and you let them hit you

What is this blazing bullshit? I just fought a boss why do I need to fight another one this fast?

Alright, I'm nearly finished with the game and I have a bunch of questions about stuff that I'm not sure if I did "right", hopefully some people here that made different choices can help fill in the blanks.

- I chose to support the "traitorous" pot noble. There doesn't seem to be any benefit to it specifically, anyone know if supporting the other pot noble has better results?

- The "thirsty basket-head" NPC in Mibu Village, I visited him a second time before I went to the divine area and he had chosen to drink the water and went insane. I killed him and he called me a monster. Any idea if there's a different path his story can go?

- I chose to not send either of the NPCs to the weird guy looking for test subjects, and instead finished Kotaro's questline and the O'rin-obsessed guy's questline. Any idea what sending them to the creepy dude leads to?

- Does the crazy old lady ever appear again after you give her rice and solve the mysteries?

Other than all that, I *think* I managed to complete every NPC quest to the best I can, I don't think I missed anything important.

>>16298339

If you send Jinzaemon to the surgeon guy he will experiment with the waters on him and you will find out that the creepy dude and his master are the same person. At least that's how I understood it. So the master tells him to experiment on himself and they both go mad with red eyes and you kill them. Not sure what happens when you send the fatty.

>>16298347

I know that sending Kotaro is probably the worst choice, because it invalidates both of his other questline options and I imagine both are more valuable than whatever you get from sending him to creepy dude (especially since one is ending-relevant).

>>16298352

Kotaro is NOT ending relevant. You can get the Dragon Homecomming ending regardless of where you send him.

>>16298367

What? Really? I thought you had to get the Taro persimmon in order to pursue the questline with the child of rejuvinating waters?

>>16297318

I never had trouble with the game at all and play keyboard and mouse was pure easy mode for me. Even catching the four monkeys was easy.

>>16298153

How much does yashigaru buff you?