/v/ - Video Games

>>16221766

>mice* cost like $5

>>16221791

Yeah, I know wireless mice are worse, have latency, etc blah blah blah. We're not in 2005 anymore, I'm sure there's something decent out there.

>>16221757

I swear I've seen this exact fucking thread, same post and everything a month ago. OP do you think the answers will be different or something?

>linking directly to amazon

<wireless is preferable

You can probably find what you want in the Archive. There's been a thread on the topic recently and it looked like it had a fair amount of discussion.

>>16221824

That was not me.

>OP do you think the answers will be different or something?

Unless it's the same 4 fags posting every single time, yes.

>>16221870

I'll go take a look, thanks.

G403 is awesome.

Check out rocket jump ninja on YouTube for mice reviews, really knows his shit

I have a Logitech G900. I prefer a wired mouse but this one is very comfortable and it’s a symmetrical build so if you use your left hand it’s good for that. I wanted a wireless mouse for my laptop and I’m happy with it.

>>16221760

I laughed more than I should have.

not a logitech the mouse wheel always breaks after exactly 1 year

>>16223092

Dude, my MX-518 is on 14 years and counting.

>>16222958

G402 is better

>>16223099

it looks like it has been designed by a 12 year old

>>16223072

>2014

obviously outdated, using a xg-m1 right now, has performed and glided on par with my old AM, isn't at scalping prices, and isn't sized for babies with baby hands

I'm no expert in mice so I'm gonna relay what I've been told: before considering any mouse, make sure it has a good sensor and switches.

>(non-exhaustive, cheapest to most expensive) pixart's pmw-3310, pmw-3360 or pmw-3366 (logitech's version), pmw-3389

>make sure the mouse switches have good durability (omron brand is generally a good sign).

remember, pmw-3320 bad (rebranded AM010), mercury sensor bad (found in logitech g203). I wouldn't say bad as in unusable, just that they don't hold a candle to the above.

be ready to spend $25+ on a mouse, but it will last a long time (compared to say a shitty Logitech m100 which starts double-clicking in 6 months).

>>16221807

You and I both know the merchant would chart 5k for that

>>16223118

It's really comfortable and is less gaudy than the g403. It's the best mouse I've ever owned and I'm going on 2+ years of nearly constant use and it hasn't begun to show any sort of wear yet. I really like my g402

>>16221799

No, that was definitely gayer.

He threw a variation of "CURRENT YEAR!!!!1".

>>16224697

Anon, are you retarded? The current year argument is valid in terms of technology, it's like someone bragging about their Pentium 3 tier specs and you point out that tech has advanced past that.

Logitech M330 silent plus is pretty good. Just got one for my laptop. Has the form factor of my old G9X. Desktop mouse is a G510 which is alright.

>>16225157

Wireless is fine nowadays. Your problems with wireless back when was that wireless mice were always heavy as shit, and wireless mice had latency and bad sensors. Nowadays all of those are solved.

This

>wireless

meme is gay as fuck.

>>16223053

I got mine in 2010, still works except the wheel

>>16226353

until the ball gets dirt and dust inside, it's not perfect but long term play

>>16226335

t. Energizer shill

>>16226751

>non-rechargable batteries in 2019

Get some fucking eneloops and be kind to the planet you wanker.

>>16226335

If you want to play shooters and the like you still don't want wireless dude.

>>16226793

Retarded non-argument. The latency is so low that it's transparent to humans in 2.4ghz mice and controllers, the sensors in modern wireless mice are flawless and there are wireless mice that weigh under 100 grams such as the G305 nowadays.

>>16226802

What you mean is you have shit senses and don't notice a subpar mouse fucking with your aim. In that case you're in luck since any mouse that is not complete shit will probably be satisfactory for you.

>>16226814

I use a WMO 1.1. I play shooters very often and I am particular about my mice.

>>16226817

Cool, but the argument you're making is reminiscent of people saying that the eye can't see faster than 60FPS anyway. And maybe for some people they genuinely do not notice the difference, but there is one and it is experienced at high levels.

>>16226880

Except people at the highest level of the most competitive FPS game today, CS:GO, are using wireless mice and they are only growing more popular.

>>16226884

>Except the vast majority of people and EPIC PRO GAYMURS have no standards for what they play and buy. And that number is only going to grow!

You argue like a tabloid journalist. I hope you enjoy those wireless waves slowly turning you infertile.

>>16226884

>Except people at the highest level of the most competitive FPS game today, CS:GO

>the most competitive FPS game today, CS:GO

>the most competitive FPS game today

>CS:GO

>CS:GO

>CS:GO

And just like that, you lost all credence. Seriously, man. That is a trash shooter. I'm sure there are even worse shooters, but CS:GO is a fucking joke among competitive FPS gamers.

>>16226901

Not an argument

>>16226906

>epic pro gaymurs

People who make tens of thousands of dollars playing a game use wireless mice and have to rely on their mice with their livelyhood have no standards for what to use, sure.

I don't even use wireless, as I previously said. Wireless makes no sense for desktop usage.

>>16226907

>That is a trash shooter

I don't like the game either, 1.6 is a way better game. But that it is the most competitive FPS game around is not up for debate.

>fucking joke among competitive FPS gamers.

Okay, give me some TRUE™ competitive FPS games. 90% of Quake players who tried to move to CS or Overwatch since Quake is a dying competitive game that you really can't make a living on flopped hard since they were no longer big fish in their tiny pond and the pool of players was so much larger.

>>16226913

>the most competitive FPS

competitive hop scotch

>>16226913

Hey, maybe they use wireless mice because the manufacturers and people running the events aim to sell you something?

>>16226913

competitive VR dick sucking

>>16226932

>the manufacturers

That's a fair argument. Some teams are certainly sponsored to use certain mice, but I think it's equally likely that some players did decide to use the wireless mice even if they had other wired alternatives by their sponsors.

>people running the events

They sponsor energy drinks and monitors. Keyboards, mice and mousepads are up to the players in CSGO tournaments.

>>16226884

They're not.

t. worked as tech crew at tournaments.

>>16226932

They wouldn't gimp themselves just to sell a wireless mouse, especially when they're already shilling overprice pre-built computers.

Also they won't use wireless because if anyone's stops working the team owner could get a autism fit and decide that someone was using jammers.

>>16226949

>tech crew at tournaments

Hey do they feed you mountain dew and dorridos afterwards? You know, as a kindhearted gesture for your suffering.

>>16226949

>wireless mouse jammers

Ya know, I'd watch one of these tournaments if both teams were allowed to fuck each other over with tactics like that while playing.

Mionix Naos 8200

most comfortable mouse I've had, nice place for your pinky to rest.

>>16223072

>that second pic

Jesus who made that? It's like he wanted for people to barely be able to read it.

>>16226884

Haha you dumbass. At a DOOM tournament in the mid '90s MS forced me to use their mouse over my Logitech, do you think things have gotten better since then, or worse like everything else has?

any logitech wireless mouse. you can find them oem on ebay for less than $20 and it will last at least a few years.

wired fags don't realize that their microscopic decrease in latency makes absolutely zero difference when you are limited by the latency of the network.

>>16226884

>>16226906

>>16226901

>>16229087

A professional Quake player Rocket Jump Ninja has stated on some of his mouse reviews that certain wireless mice have absolutely no noticeable latency when compared to wired. Or is Quake also so crap that you blindly debase someones entire argument on your opinion of it alone?

>>16229137

That may be the case but "professionals" are whores and the worst possible people to listen to, just link a fucking latency graph from some autist hardware tester instead of pretending any of those faggots are credible.

>>16229137

if you honestly believe the a wireless connection on ANYTHING will ever be truly on par with a wired connection then i have no words. i can't argue with that level of ignorance, it takes a better man than I

>>16229262

>reason enough to never use a wired mice

Meant to say wireless mice.

After going strong with my Steelseries Sensei for the past 8 years (I must be the highest time-use user of it), and getting 2 free replacements due to its board power supply dieing, I decided today to switch.

What did I switch to? The Rival 310. I'm surprised the industry moved away from Laser mice, back in my day it was a fact laser mice were the best, but we all knew the sensor still had a slightly negative accel downwards when sweeping horizontal. All mice sold today are optical mice. The mice thesedays look a bit cheap compared to my old Sensei. Sensei had a braided cord, LED picture on the bottom, and you were able to change dpi, liftoff distance (like .5mm to 4mm), poll rate, and a few other things, all on the LED of the mouse. Also a metal plate. Now its just a plastic high grip plate. Honestly it does look somewhat okay, but still. The cords aren't braided nowadays either. Not doing sensei again, I have forearm pain fatigue problems (carpal tunnel onset it feels like), so I'm doing the Rival to see if my right hand will sit better.

>>16229262

>>16229209

>>16229197

your mouse's latency means nothing when you are playing games on a 20/60/100/etc tick rate server.

>>16229519

>I thought the low DPI meme had died. The cool thing nowadays is high DPI low sens. Same distance, more intermediate steps.

It doesn't really matter. At 400 dpi with a flawless sensor your mouse won't be holding you back anymore. Aside from some games that are programmed like shit that have pixel skipping at low DPI such as Overwatch, it's not gonna be a problem. Strictly speaking you are correct that it is more "precise" but if "precise" means "better" is up to personal preference. 400 dpi is still one of the most common values at the highest level of CS and Quake. The only reason why the WMO even went out of style is because the faggot leagues ban custom drivers (which had been used forever to achieve 1000hz on WMOs and Intellimouse Explorers) and now everyone just uses WMO shape clones like Zowies.

>flawless

I didn't mean flawless as in flawless sensor. I think the mouse is a flawless sensor, but my copy just has that weird jittery issue on angled lines.

>>16226760

>spending $20 on 4 batteries

what did he mean by this

>>16229069

dude its like

<you dont even

>want everything you read to

look like youre at a fucking rave

>>16229416

Wew, this mouse is super comfortable. If you can decide right hand or ambidextrous mouse, always go right hand. My forearm never felt bad, but it still has a small remnant pain it always does. 10/10. Wonder how my arm would be like with 8 years of not using an ambidextrous mouse.

I've been using the same deathadder for about 10 years now.

>>16221766

>$5

I do get them for free out of my cavity walls

>>16240744

You should be able to turn off the LEDs.

>>16221757

Got the g502 right now, and I am sure it will die sometime soon. How is this new g602 compared to the old one? Doesn't look better to me on first look and all the buttons on the side look like total cancer to me.

>>16240744

310 is about 45 pre tax on amazon

Don't get a Logitech G100s. Only been using it for a year or so and the LMB is fucking up, it only responds when I press near the wheel now. I don't slam my mouse or do other retarded things either, it's just shit.

>>16242466

They are a bit overpriced but apparently they are built stupid simple and last for a good time.

Define "on par with Razer", Razer uses the some custom 3366 equivalent and Omrons in most of their mice including the DAE while the FK2 and EC2 use the 3310 and Huanos. There isn't much to compare since it's apples to oranges.

>>16243050

>en par as in overpriced for what it really is in a very general sense. I don't know diddly dick about sensors, why I would need DPIs higher than say 8k considering we're getting bigger and bigger screen resolutions every couple of months, thus negating a need for an overly precise mouse since you'd hardly notice the difference at modern resolutions.

Higher DPI does not mean better, that is just pure marketing retardation. Most sensors start accelerating and jittering beyond 2000 DPI since these sensors are usually not meant to handle this to begin with, the manufacturers just do this via firmware. 400 DPI is adequate, 800 is more than you can make use of.

With modern mice you haven't been buying things at manufacturing cost for a long time, nowadays brands and shape are really the only unique things that companies have. The rest is the same internals, a PMW3310, 3360, 3366 or 3389 or some built in house sensor that will perform on par with a 3310 or 3360 and some Omron or Huano switches. That's it. All there is is shape, brand and gimmicks. The rest is the same shit.

>>16243083

What you got against marketing?????

PRO TIP: For optical mice, use a bright sheet of paper as your mousepad.

Daily reminder the G400s mouse is out of production

>>16243902

So what does that do?

>>16243902

Don't do that. Mice perform best on complete black surfaces with minimal bright colours. That will give you maximum consistency and sensor performance. Mouse pads cost nothing. Standard pieces of paper are also pretty small, a 400x400mm or larger mousepad is optimal.

>>16243908

What was even special about that mouse?

>>16229062

Bump. Any Naos is a comfy mouse. I've been using them for almost the last decade at work and home and have only replaced one due to a faulty laser.

>>16240744

Stay away from the Razer DeathAdder. I got three of those over the years and they all got the left/right mouse button problem.

>>16244698

Appears to have a shit sensor. Might as well get a Chinese mouse at that point, you can get 3310s for very cheap and it will certainly track better than that.

>>16244703

Learn to mod. Omrons are easy to replace.

I got a logitech 305 wireless.

It doesn't look gamery and cringe at all like most mice with decent specs.

Cool old school design and fits my hand well. It uses a AA battery, so switching it is easy and no charging necessary. I've used it for 9 months now and on my 4th battery. I'm quite a heavy user. Got a 4 battery pack from the store for 3 bucks and changing them takes literally 15 seconds, had 1 run out during a firefight in AP*X L*G*NDS, but the software gives messages about ~15% lower battery, so you know when you are running out.

I love it for ~50CM 360 in most games. Having no wire was a gamechanger for me and allowed me to use lower sensitivity and move my hand more to get faster flicks.

The sensor is amazing and never spazzes out when flicking etc. (had that issue with my previous razer mice).

>>16249126

Zowie's entire goal with FK and EC is "We cloned the WMO and IE3.0, but it's accepted in tournaments since tournaments ban WMOs and IE3.0s today"

True though, WMO is basically endgame. There isn't much that modern mice are better at.

I just bought a G Pro Wireless and it's great. Wireless is the future.

>>16249881

>cripples your performance and requires periodically wasting money

How does it cripple your performance and how does it periodically waste money? The only downside is the price of the mouse.

>>16249939

>cripple your performance

Technically, latency. However latency is so transparent on decent mice, so it's pointless.

>periodically waste money

Batteries.

>>16249960

>latency

The new Logitech wireless mice straight up have the same latency as wired mice.

>Batteries

The G Pro W has a built in, rechargable battery. 1 Full charge lasts 60+ hours at 1000 polling rate with the gay lights turned off. If I set the polling rate to 125 it easily lasts 100+ hours

>>16249939

>How does it cripple your performance and how does it periodically waste money?

if you're gonna argue put some effort into it. ask yourself why no one likes using 802.11 rather than a wired connection for games. also on top of wasting money you're polluting the environment.

>>16249978

>The new Logitech wireless mice straight up have the same latency as wired mice.

That's very unlikely to be true. Unnoticeable difference at best.

>battery

They're heavy. I have a G700, which can run both wired and wireless, and I always use it with a cable just for the difference in weight. I guess if you like a heavy mouse it wouldn't bother you.

>>16249978

Rechargeable batteries lose capacity and eventually die out after a set number of cycles, requiring a replacement. This happens around the time the mouse is discontinued, so you either pay a premium for the new battery, or buy a new mouse.

The wire will probably outlast the rest of the mouse unless you manhandle it.

>>16250081

Sure, 3 years from now it'll probably decrease by 30% or something and it'll only last 40 hours. And if it dies completely I can just plug it in and use it in wired mode.

>>16250031

>a finalmeme

Two things about Finalmemes:

>Aren't the PCBs inside of them complete dogshit?

>Isn't the honeycomb shit on the Ultralight a pain in the ass to clean?

>16241348

>are a bacteria/cum residue sponge.

FINALLY someone who has the same problem as me. I swear like 90% of the dirt on my KB/Mouse is cum.

>>16253179

>Aren't the PCBs inside of them complete dogshit?

I personally havn't used one but I heard that the build quality is pretty low in general, especially for the price. Can't say anything about the PCBs specifically.

>Isn't the honeycomb shit on the Ultralight a pain in the ass to clean?

That's the reason I havn't even considered getting one. I have to clean my mouse almost daily as is and I have a dog. I don't even wan't to imagine how much of a pain in the ass dog hair inside the honeycombing would be.

my new logitch m510 just got here, it was like $12. it works fine but goddamn it's bulky

>>16240744

I've got a rival. Easy to turn off bullshit, decent customization program. There's supposed to be some firmware update, but for whatever reason it won't actually install. The checkered side panels are definitely a filth magnet.

>>16255190

I just use my extra buttons as mute and copy paste functions for easier browsing/shitposting. It can also be useful for games where you really need to press a hotkey whilst keeping all hands on movement. A full numpad is just gimmicky tho.

>>16255246

It's seriously improved my poasting experience threefold.

>>16240744

>$60

>wired

>useless programmable leds you have to turn off

imagine being this retarded

>>16249881

>literally no benefits, only downsides

Lack of a cord is a huge benefit. It means you can make wide and fast sweeps without any kind of excess drag or the potential for the cord to snag and halt your movement.

>>16255539

Cords are huge. More desk clutter, and they are so annoying. As much as I hate having a wireless I'd hate that cord more.

>>16255602

Get the red dragon, anon. That little red button on the side of the left mouse button is a 1 click macro. So you only have to shoot 1 shot out of your gun without switching firing modes, shit's pretty good for games that have different firing modes.

>>16255569

Look into paracording. Will basically make your mouse feel wireless.

>>16256191

Or you could just tap your M1 button.

>>16255190

>pinky to press on Control

enjoy RSI from contorting your hands.

>>16255226

>I just use my extra buttons as mute and copy

bind PgUp and PgDn. it will make your life easier when scrolling and switching tabs (ctrl+pgup/pgdn).

>>16256994

>rsi from slightly moving your finger

wat

How the fuck do you faggots keep your hands on your keyboard?

>crtl+pageup/pagedown

Control+tab and control+shift+tab is superior.

>>16255539

>>16255569

>Lack of a cord is a huge benefit

>Cords are huge. More desk clutter

<he doesn't keep his cables at the right length by wrapping them

you're not even trying anymore.

>>16258773

you're supposed to hit CTRL with the left part of your hand, not the tip of your pinky. that way you avoid bending your hand awkwardly, with the added benefit of being able to press `, Tab, or CapsLock with your pinky. unless you're using a laptop with a sunken keyboard

>Control+tab and control+shift+tab is superior

<implying

PgUp/PgDn are much comfier and quicker for scrolling than scrollwheels, which are prone to wear. so it's a good idea to bind them if you have spare buttons on your mouse. additionally, if you use the keys on your keyboard instead, you retain easy access to the nav cluster (Home, End, arrow keys), Enter, Backspace (and Shift+Backspace), and the numpad while using the mouse.

the only advantage I see to using CTRL-Tab is that you can hit Tab quicker, but it's used less frequently. If you're talking about CTRL-F, it's a moot point as you'll have to take your hand off the mouse to type anyway.

>>16259166

We have similar keyboards. My hand takes the shape of a claw. My pinky is on Shift and the top of my palm right below my pinky is on Ctrl. I think the main difference is your keyboard seems to be laying flat. I keep the little kickstands out on mine.

>>16259200

>stay healthy anon.

I'll try. I've done this shit since I was literally 5 years old and I am fine now, hopefully I will stay fine.

You remember to keep your sensitivity low and aim with your arm and not your wrist. Wrist aiming will probably also cause health issues in the future.

>>16259204

Maybe so, I also don't have a whole lot of desk space.

>>16260368

The keyboard market is such a wreck. Pretty much all available full sized mechs are hundreds of dollars and either look gay as shit, or they look like they're made for pre-teen gaymers also gay

If I was buying a new one right now I'd go with a ducky most likely.

https://www.amazon.com/Ducky-Skyline-Cherry-Brown-Keyboard/dp/B07B6D3MK2/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=Ducky+keyboard&qid=1552932165&s=gateway&sr=8-6

https://www.amazon.com/Ducky-Skyline-Cherry-Blue-Keyboard/dp/B07B6DNLLD/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=Ducky+keyboard&qid=1552932165&s=gateway&sr=8-7

>>16260402

Keyboards are overpriced as fuck.

RGB shit is probably a couple extra dollars to pay in manufacture and materials yet they increase the price of the KB by $50, then an extra $50 for some shitty macro keys nobody uses.

Instead of shipping better plastic keysthat dont look all greasy in 6 months. Or a good palm rest that isn't the shit tier fake leather/ foam they normally include.

>>16260402

>>16260368

>>16260475

You guys are retarded. The sponsored Amazon mechanical keyboard since late 2017 is $30. I've been using it for years and it's great.

https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Keyboard-Rottay-Anti-ghosting-Ergonomical/dp/B071J2VJB9/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=rottay+mechanical+keyboard&qid=1552936815&s=electronics&sr=1-2-catcorr-spons&psc=1

>>16260747

Epic gamer board, dude

>>16260769

>>16260769

k. (You)

>>16226363

You can and should clean them. Take a qtip with a bit of rubbing alcohol to clean the tracks inside the mouse. Its why all of them let you remove the baseplate and ball.

>>16260150

I don't get cramps, I just couldn't get a great grip on my G203. I had almost nothing to rest my hand on and keeping it hovering over my mouse would tire my hand, which would lead to me putting the bottom of my palm on the mouse pad, which would result in more drag.

>>16260436

there are cheaper alternatives though. 2 well known ones are Ducky Zero boards ($80-90) and Rosewill RK-9000V2 (~$75). they're plain as fuck though (laser-engraved ABS keycaps (DK2108 has doubleshot), no macros, limited or no backlight, no driver or gaymen software (thank god)). they do have NKRO and cherry switches, and a simple, sober look that doesn't scream gaymer. no mention of polling rate though. you can probably find even cheaper.

>>16260402

>Pretty much all available full sized mechs are hundreds of dollars and either look gay as shit, or they look like they're made for pre-teen gaymers

that's not the problem in itself. the problem is the untold amount of specifications that are never stated (e.g. keycap material, keycap profile, whether the keyboard has actual NKRO or emulates several keyboards (may break plenty of stuff like keyboard shortcuts), stabilizer type (e.g. costar, cherry, cheap wire stabilizers (awful))).

a similar problem happens with PSUs (e.g. OEM (actual manufacturer), rated working temperature, max continuous load, original model, fan size, speed, and bearing type, part quality (e.g. capacitors, sensors), serviceability (removable fan grill to facilitate cleaning))

>>16260955

>kailh are way better

yeah, no. fuck you. gateron are alright though. I'll never forget how shit the Thermaltake Poseidon Z Illuminated (kailh switches) was:

>had no idea the model was well known for developing chatter within months, which is worse than the cheapest chink rubber keyboard you can find

>cheap chink wire stabilizers

>NKRO simulates several keyboards, making certain shit not work (e.g. TTY switching in Lunix)

I swore off kailh and Thermaltake peripherals forever after I got a refund.

>pic shows a used, noisy, overpriced keyboard with missing keys

it's like paying $500 for a used Xbox with duke controllers.

Every Logitech mouse I've has has started double clicking after a year or two.

You can fix it by pulling it apart and bending the clicker metal back into place, but that fix might buy you anothet month or two before its back to acting like shit.

I bought a Corsair mouse and it seems to be okay, but the iCUE software is worse than the Logitech one and is a memory hog.

So, if you're looking for a good mouse: then you're fucked because they're all cheap chinese shit with bloated software programmed by retarded dot head H1B street shitters.

>>16262222 (checked)

>>16262261

One of the thing that ticked me off the most about a bad sensor was, moving the mouse too fast and the mouse would fuck up it's tracking.

My chinese monitor and mouse do well enough. The screen is sometimes glitchy but is still 144hz Freesync. I should get a new kb though.

>>16262285

>>16262261

Are there any test applications/web apps for mouse precisio? As far as I can tell some kind of physical test unit would be needed but maybe i'm mistaken.

>>16262414

Mouse precision? Uh, not really. You can do the MS paint test which is just drawing lines, circles and other such things to test for angle snapping and jitter.

You can also test for acceleration by booting up a game (check that your mouse settings are in Windows 6/11 and no pointer precision, of course) and without any in game acceleration (often game settings call it smoothing) and swipe your mouse fast across your mouse pad and bring it back slowly. If it has no acceleration it will end up at the same place.

>>16262248

>>didn't do my research and realized that product is tainted with QA issues

but I did research you sperg. offer was limited, between a Tesoro Colada a Corsair K70 and that piece of shit. I wanted a barebones mechanical keyboard with NKRO and no rgb vomit gayming look, software or snowflake drivers. I was told repeatedly that Kailh wasn't so bad and Thermaltake was passable (compared to no-name brands like Dragon War or Trust) and the keyboard would last a long time so I went ahead with it. I knew it didn't have a standard bottom row and it didn't bother me. however no one mentioned:

>if you pressed keys on keyboards with NKRO hacks that it would result in alternating inputs if the keys are on different "keyboards": e.g. ALT-F1 results in ALT F1 ALT F1 ALT F1, rendering that keyboard shortcut unusable

only saw this shit mentioned after the fact in a post on Arch Linux forums complaining about not being able to switch TTYs.

>the shitty thin wire stabilizers taken straight from a cheap membrane keyboard

I didn't even think it would be so shitty it would come with those. I only found anything on that later when I saw posts of people asking where to buy compatible keycaps.

>the chatter issues

I found out by reading a few complaints about "repeated characters" or "duplicate keystrokes" on amazon (which I normally avoid due to shills and room temperature IQ reviews like "works 5 stars" or "too noisy 1 star")

Moreover you must have missed the part in my post where I said most of the relevant specs (stabilizers, bottom row, 6KRO mode, NKRO hacks, keycap materials and legend printing) are often absent from store pages, comments, manuals, and reviews (except maybe the 1 or 2 autistic sites that bother). Hell, most reputable PSU companies don't mention the platform and OEM of each PSU or the caps they use (except maybe for premium models). So tell me how the fuck are you supposed to guess this kind of stuff? shit like

>wobbling (G302 old revisions), sensor rattle (G303 old revisions) or firmware issues in a mouse

>voltage transients or out of spec voltage fluctuations at different loads in a PSU

>a GPU's shit VRM (or VRAM chip) cooling (laptops from Nvidia 200m to 700m series desoldering, EVGA GTX 1070 FTW and 1080 FTW fires)

>a monitor's preprocessing or use of dithering (if any) and input lag

Even if there happens to be someone autistic enough to have conducted tests and/or reported issues you still need to be actively looking.

>buying a used xbox is still sought after and the duke controller is the best controller design in ages, for being comfortably big.

not for $500. just like that keyboard which goes for more than a brand new Razer overpriced memeboard.

>>16229507

>latency doesn't matter because there's also other latency

Retard.