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No, Obsidian forgot how to make decent games

It could happen, but you shouldn't get your hopes up.

>>16201337

>I like Fallout New Vegas

All the writers that worked on New Vegas are gone, though.

>the trailer seems a little shitty though

That's because the game will be shit. New Vegas was the last good game Obsidian has made, and it was released in 2010. Since then Obsidian has failed to make anything decent despite having both total creative freedom and funds to make a good game. They tried to shit out a Baldur's Gate copy and it failed, they shat out a sequel to it that was worse in every aspect, only for a bunch of drunk Slavs to take the most pozzed setting imaginable and make a decent game out of it (Pathfinder: Kingmaker).

Tyranny was a boring, poorly written slog pushing shit politics, and now they've been bought out by MS, and we all know what happens with studios that are under the MS thumb.

Not even Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky can safe this pile of shit because they'll be working against all the purple-haired clowns Obsidian is filled with. Just go play ATOM or Kingmaker and write off Outer Worlds as dead on arrival.

I saw a tiny bit of gameplay.

The gunplay looks mind numbingly slow, like as if it was made for literal retards kinda slow.

I would skip it and play DMCV or maybe Sekiro instead if I were you.

It'll probably still sell well since they're marketing it as "made by the people who made fallout new vegas!", but obsidian hasn't made a good game in years.

>>16201517

>It'll probably still sell

Pillars of Equality 2 sold like shit. After years of failures the prestige Obsidian once had is pretty much lost. They're basically BioWare 2 now, only with less money.

I saw this same thread months ago.

>>16201505

>Tim Cain

Over-rated hack who can't manage a crew for shit, see his "management" at Carbine on WildStar. In fact, any one of the designers or writers alone are complete garbage, see also the shit-pile that is Wasteland 2 . It was a right crew in the right time situation. Replay Fallout 1 and 2 and see just how boringly linear it is. As much as they talk up the role-playing it ends up being pretty pointless. Whatever good there was, it's gone now. Take off your rose-tinted glasses and accept that it was always shit. The only good you really get from the games is a decent RPG system with some ok story-game crossover. It's by no means great.

>>16201559

>Replay Fallout 1 and 2 and see just how boringly linear it is

That's unfair. The games offer plenty of freedom to explore and a lot of ways you can approach and resolve various situations.

Now, is there an ideal path the game expects you to take? Sure. Are all skills and attributes created equal? No. They're not perfect games by any stretch of the imagination, but what they do they do well. I personally think New Vegas is the superior Fallout out of all of them mostly because they dropped the morality mechanics for the most part and built the choices around siding with the various factions.

>Whatever good there was, it's gone now

That's true for pretty much all these gaming auteurs. As soon as they leave the development team that made them famous they simply can't deliver anymore. Romero, Spector, Levine, Molyneux, Cain - none of them have lived up to their legend, mostly because it takes more than some attention-whoring shithead to make a good game.

>It's by no means great.

By that logic no game ever is great.

It looks fucking awful.

>slow mo button makes shooting boring

>balanced out by enemies being bullet sponges

>companions kill enemies for you anyways, great if you love not doing things in video games

>terrible animations

>terrible visual design, like someone took fallout 4 and slapped pink on everything

>>16201586

>The games offer plenty of freedom to explore and a lot of ways you can approach and resolve various situations.

No, the main mission in both games pretty much are long and linear.

>is there an ideal path the game expects you to take? Sure

Even though it fixed the linearity of the main quest in the preceding games, New Vegas still had this problem. The experience point system of Fallout is the main culprit of this, it's an outdated leveling system that sometimes makes rewards feel unfair and hinders you from taking alternative routes. IMO it hurts the game worse than morality system.

>>16201614

Not to mention the terrible gun animations and lack of recoil. It looks worse than even Fallout 4.

The problem with Fallout 1 and 2 is in the ending. The games ultimately end the same way, unless you "fail".

>Fallout 1 : You destroy the master, save the vault, and leave

>Fallout 2 : You destroy Navarro, save the village, and become it's Elder

Fallout New Vegas was a step in the right direction and came so close. The ending actually changes based on your choices. It's no longer BBEG was beaten and your designated home is saved! It's now the faction you have chosen to support throughout the game has won. This makes those alternative methods of solving a problem more than just a superfluous arc to the same end-point, but slightly more influential on the end. To offer a true "story matters" question that isn't just a shallow twilight zone knock off, they'd have to put the effort in making a diversity in the endings, and working out the complexity of reactions to possible actions. The guys at Interplay/InXile/Obsidian however, are too rooted in traditional staples to really see this through. Nix the leveling and hp systems in favor of a more realistic system. This actually legitimizes the concerns about logistics and survival. For example, if you get killed in one hit by a bullet, do you really want to tangle with a group of Powder-Gangers by yourself? Not unless you have a very good plan.

>>16201337

I'm thinking the game will be kinda woke. Just judging by female hairstyles and the one scene where you blow a guy away to save an ethnic minority who is clearly being oppressed.

Expect the lazy stereotype evil corporation/religious institution bad guys.

I'm just waiting for the inevitable clang.

>>16201674

Jesus christ what a fucking terrible music video.

It got fig'd, so I highly doubt it. Likely it's been being jacked around amongst all the usual suspects.

Obsidian have since they gained independence proven that they are fully incapable of releasing a good, fully functioning game. I have zero faith in this. The fact that it is at least in part a looter shooter just makes it worse, has to be the worst genre ever, even worse than the Battle Royale faggotry.

>>16201559

> Replay Fallout 1 and 2 and see just how boringly linear it is

How so for Fallout 1? Everything till you get up to the hub is optional. Ian will tell you about Hub and Junktown and once you reach the Hub you can go in a bunch of different ways.

If anyone wants to play the alpha version again, I'm dumping it on the vola. It will be up to down in about a half hour, as the vola flies.

>>16201348

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>>16201337

I doubt it.

Obsidian hasn't made good games in a very long time. They're great and retrofitting other peoples games though, like Kotor or New Vegas.

>>16207680

You are 4um trash with reddit spacing.

looks cooler than Atomic Heart

It looks ugly and like it was designed to appeal to the crowd that responds with a chorus of "YES!" Sweden-style when confronted with an ugly looking bulldyke next to a "we want to be Fallout" sign.

>>16201740

Tim Cain is married to a MAN named ROBERT. Nothing will surprise me anymore.

>>16201585

Which manga is that?

Or is that actually hentai?

>>16201687

>The experience point system of Fallout is the main culprit of this, it's an outdated leveling system that sometimes makes rewards feel unfair and hinders you from taking alternative route

How so?

>>16207697

It looks like the first bioshock, not infinite.

The first Bioshock was good.

>>16207765

>The first Bioshock was good.

big lmao

>>16207762

At a guess, he means how the "good" route will be incentivized with extra exp. Wither 3 pulled the same thing to push a feminist agenda.

>>16201744

Does the game even have hot bots?

>>16201337

Im going to wait for the game to release i dont get the point of guessing when we have very little info.

>>16207779

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>>16207813

It was palatable you obnoxious reactionposting retard. Do you even have an argument?

>>16207818

"Palatable"? What the fuck are you talking about?

It was generic trash that's a complete insult to the games it was based on.

>>16207738

>Limp wristed woman tries killing herself

>Gets raped instead and has a few kids

It's a classic story.

>>16207818

Just because a game is competent doesn't mean it's good. I know the industry is so laughably inept that even a mediocre title can seem like a masterpiece, but you shouldn't let yourself get carried away with generic games because they're playable

>>16207832

I like happy endings.

>>16207818

>It didn't feature rootkits, crypto miners or brick your console while also not being complete ass

>therefore it's good

Unless you try replaying it or have seen a firearm in your life.

>>16207765

It had a cool setting but the gameplay was just a shoot 'em up.

>>16207827

Wait,wait,wait

Borderlands was based on something?I thought they just stole a bunch of shit ,slapped it together hastily,added memes and 75 DLCs for the sequel and then called it a day.

>>16207846

He wasn't; his lolberg "utopia" was ruined by jewish doctors and everyone doped out of their mind on heroin and superpowers, then ruined further by free market adopting christianity, so he became the government he always despised just to stop 1 man from selling people salvation and morality because there might be something better and more fulfilling than chasing dopamine rush

>>16207860

everyone's talking about bioshock though.

>>16207860

We're talking about Bioshock, but coincidentally Borderlands was actually plagiarizing inspired by a short film.

>>16207860

Borderlands also stole it's artstyle from an indie filmmaker. Don't let anyone forget.

>>16201359

>forgot

>>16201337

>setting looks fine

>following games like arcanum/fallout

>first person rpg

>role play centric

>world building looks alright

<graphics are kind of shit

<presentation is kind of shit

<graphics are kind of shit

<writing and comedy is kind of cringe

<built on unreal engine 4 so modding will not happen

<made by obsidian

<one of the lead devs decided that he hates his older games for all the wrong reasons

>>16208613

>>setting looks fine

So did borderlands.

In fact, OW looks exactly like borderlands with slightly more RPG elements.

>alien world technically owned by corporations is overflowing with niggerbandits

I have little faith in it, it might be good but its probably going to be glitchy as fuck on launch. I really want a good game about shooting and looting though and this seems like the game I want.

I can only hope, I am sure it will be worth a pirate at least.

>>16208619

They key difference being that Gearbox are shit.

>>16201522

They're Bioware 2 if all the big names from Bioware that left kept coming back to make the next game, except the next game is still shit. I think Obsidian wins the prize for most prolific careers destroyed.

>>16208643

I don't see a difference, both Obsidian and Gearbox are shit, for different reasons though.

>>16208652

Yeah but the lead devs behind Outer Worlds have made major titles excellent world building in the past, Gearbox have never done this, they were never good.

>>16208661

Nothing alike beside that same basic quest format.

>>16208669

>Nothing alike beside that same basic quest format.

>So walking about randomly and taking quests then randomly walking about some more.

Sure sounds like New Vegas to me.

>>16208693

You got any proof to back that up or are you just posting pictures of the most gayest of pets for no reason?

>>16208718

So you actually have no proof of dumbing down and your are just posting the gayest of pets. Good to know.

>>16207765

No.

>>16207781

I think the rewarding exp after every successful skill check was a bigger problem in FO3/NV.

>>16207781

True, it's not fair because it discourages you from trying alternative routes. I think quests shouldn't reward you with exp, I want to see the consequence of technically failing quests but still having the chance to grab my reward by doing my own trick.

>>16208804

>rewarding exp after every successful skill check

It makes sense and also existed in every FO game. 3 NV and 4 just have more locked chests and doors to make those skills more useful. In fact I think exp should only be gained from killing enemies and honing your skills, that's just how it works in real life.

>>16209089

>4umer meme with shit reading comprehension

You have to go back

>>16209089

I think he meant to say that a game with high production value and competence isn't necessarily the most fun to play.

>>16201337

They want to hide the fact that its a linear story driven game. Can't wait for the "WTF this isn't open world and its barely an RPG!" posts everywhere. I wish someone would make an open world game in the style of fallout 3+/elderscrolls but actually care about the gameplay/depth being more than just good enough.

>>16209089

I'm glad I'm not this retarded. How embarrassing.

>>16201337

It will probably be a fairly standard, bland mainstream RPG. Dumbed down in every way, even though it will pretend to have lots of depth and a gorillion endings. Will probably follow the Skyrim model of "do everything in a single playthrough because character builds are for nerds" instead of meaningful choices. Also, the NPCs will be huge, meme-y cancer, probably mostly voiced by shitty e-celebs and twitter personalities.

>>16209270

>Will probably follow the Skyrim model of "do everything in a single playthrough because character builds are for nerds" instead of meaningful choices

But without unlocking the skill perks, the skills would have only 25% of it's maximum potential.

>>16209270

You are likely right but I'll admit it was one of three games that looked interesting to me from the E3. And I have little faith the other two won't get cucked somehow.

>>16209270

The writing will also be walls of purple prose as has become standard in Obsidian games, and the whole thing will be full of faggots and mutts. Also, the women will be all ugly.

>>16209043

>It makes sense and also existed in every FO game.

It waited until you finished the conversation not right after passing the skill check.

>>16207955

>beta cuckchanner can't even say fuck

lol

>>16209873

<actual autism

>>16207778

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>>16207779

>all this samefagging

Fuck you Bioshock 1 & 2 were great suck my dick. The rpg elements were still there enough to add a little bit of depth to the gameplay, tonics add the ablility to do some experimenting, the way you could combine plasmids together with traps in 2 and do a decent amount of planning before enemy encounters was fun. The segmented open world and the various hidden secrets in every level rewarded exploration. It's certainly a lot better than any single player FPS I can think of released in the past few years.

>>16210035

>It's certainly a lot better than any single player FPS I can think of released in the past few years.

That's not saying much.

>>16210035

Bioshock 1 was solid but realistically the setting was the star of the show and eventually it wears off by the sequel. The flow of the game was like being on a boat cruise going to port of call after port of call and getting board of seeing the same thing with a different wrapper on it. The plasmids were not that exciting and the best part of the game was the suspense of the next jump scare tactic, killing all replayability. It's an 8 out 10 type of game, 8.5 at the time of release. But you are right, it is one of the better FPS released in the last decade and as mention that is no prize honor. I think BLACK and FEAR and HL2 were better FPS and probably the first Darkness beats it too, especially in story.

>>16210096

>the first Darkness beats it too

I am not questioning the quality of the gameplay but the first Darkness is terrible solely alone due to its abysmal framerate. Its one of the few games that I consider literally unplayable due to its performance. Never beaten ii, tried playing it recently, just couldn't stand the constant sub 20 fps and I was playing on the 360 version too apparently the PS3 version is worse. If it ever gets on PC I'll play it but otherwise I'm not touching that again with a 10 foot pole, I really enjoyed the Darkness 2 though.

>>16201359

Pretty much.

>>16208829

We got an influx of newfags from Mark's AMA with some normalfag publisher.

>>16210193

Jews always are trying to dilute our culture with migrants and "refugees". We should have expected it.

No, it's a shitty Borderlands clone

>>16210096

>>16210174

Both franchises are mediocrity and only elevated due to 7th Gens lack of games at the beginning of their lifespan.

>>16209270

>probably mostly voiced by shitty e-celebs

All-star cast featuring

>Ashley Burch

>Nolan Baker

>Troy North

>Yuri Loventhal

>Felicia Day

Preorder now for the exit-bag edition.

>>16209043

>that's just how it works in real life.

in real life you don't get XP points and going into realism of "doing things may increase your skill or might actually make you worse because you kept repeating shitty technique to the point you can't adapt to how it's supposed to be" wouldn't make for a fun game.

>>16209730

I wish chinese weren't communist and subhuman, they would make bootleg fallouts and doesn't afraid of anything without niggers or ugly women

>>16210035

It's hated mainly because of it not being System Shock.

Add on top of that the later sequels.

It'll be fine. Probably 8/10 across the board as long as the bugs aren't too serious at launch. It isn't going to be as sandbox-y as New Vegas, and the whole "le ebil corporations" meme will be a bit nauseating, but it's not going to be a shitshow like DA:I or MEA.

>>16211568

>and the whole "le ebil corporations" meme will be a bit nauseating, but it's not going to be a shitshow like DA:I or MEA.

>nauseating game with ugly characters

>not a 4/10

>>16211683

By 8/10 I mean the reviews and all. In reality it'll be average.

>>16211688

nice digits, very on topic.

Anything that gets mainstream press from the hipster soyboy San Fran fag brigade before it's even released is an auto red flag. I may pirate it and check it out depending how it seems user reception goes, but I'm expecting nothing from this and no one else should be either.

This is the current year vidya industry we're talking about.

>>16209957

For every situation except that one in Dead Money, passing a skill check results in a good outcome.

>>16211327

>doing things may increase your skill or might actually make you worse because you kept repeating shitty technique to the point you can't adapt to how it's supposed to be

But that's how the RNG outcome of skillchecks in Fallout works. An inexperienced person is less adaptive than the experienced one.