dd90a2 No.16037603
Good news and bad news:
>Nintendo wasn't happy with how Metroid Prime 4 was turning out and felt it wasn't up to the quality of what a sequel to the trilogy should be, so they're scrapping everything and restarting development of the game from scratch
>Good news, they've decided maybe having Retro, the guys who made the trilogy in the first place, involved in the development of the game was a good idea after all, and they're now collaborating with them on development
So we won't get the game until the end of the Switch's lifespan.
f75c7c No.16037610
That's cool I guess, it sucks they had to cancel "restart" it again, but it's nice to see Retro on it again.
5657f3 No.16037617
Nice that they're letting us know, I guess. At least some kind of delay is a more preferable announcement than Federation Farce
8189df No.16037619
>>16037612
get a load of this retard
535399 No.16037622
>>16037603
Disapointing. No news on bayo 3 and smt5 this is gonna be a slower year for the switch.
b0d633 No.16037627
Is anybody left at Retro that worked on the original 3? Also what exactly have Retro been doing all this time?
071177 No.16037633
Well at least they give enough of a shit to avoid making another other m.
f8b6e7 No.16037634
Should anyone here even have hope?
dd90a2 No.16037635
>>16037622
Nah there'll probably be news on those games sooner or later this year. It sucks we aren't getting Metroid Prime 4 any time soon but it's good that Nintendo had enough of a brain to look at what the new studio they hired was doing and scrap that shit. I suppose after the reception Other M and Federation Force got, they don't want to take chances.
>>16037627
Retro's been making new Donkey Kong Country games.
d600ef No.16037638
How well do the Prime games emulate?
071177 No.16037640
>>16037638
1 and 2 are almost perfect, no idea about 3.
dd90a2 No.16037641
Though this does beg the question, why the fuck didn't Nintendo just give the game to Retro in the first place?
071177 No.16037648
>>16037641
I would assume because retro felt burned out on metroid and nintendo wanted to see what else they could do.
964024 No.16037649
This is a good sign. Its better to be disappointed by the delay than.. you know.
40e5da No.16037651
>>16037641
Because like Sega, they have perpetually hurt asses when barbarian gaijin show them up? That said, Retro isn't Retro anymore, in terms of the staff, so this could go either way. As long as it's nowhere near as bad as the last few Metroid games, it will be a rousing success.
dd90a2 No.16037653
>>16037648
>>16037651
This makes me wonder who was responsible for this decision. Maybe some of the people at Retro saw what the new studio was doing and they hated it so much they had to step in.
874083 No.16037655
>>16037641
Yakuza suggested Ninty gave some of their friends a chance but then the team blew their chance?
Either that or some more bullshit japan corporate behavior.
edfc54 No.16037657
>>16037622
ATLUS already confirmed that there will be SMT V news this year in their New Years card.
d25b9d No.16037659
>>16037622
This year we have Yoshi, Fire Emblem and Pokemon being this year's key titles. Knowing how Wii U ports sell very well on Switch, I would expect the remaining Wii U exclusives to be ported and they might experiment with HD Ports of 3ds games.
d25b9d No.16037663
>>16037659
Forgot Animal Crossing. Casual money from Pokemon and Animal Crossing would bail them out enough for this year just like how Nintendo only needed Smash to get their numbers for 2018
946d91 No.16037664
there was never a metroid prime 4 until now, everyone know that was a rushed decision to quell the whole AM2R fiasco.
Also wouldn't be surprised is Retro is also full of trannies and feminists so expect agenda pushing.
535399 No.16037665
>>16037657
Really? Sweet. Please let it not be a disjointed mess like 4 or shadow the edgehog tier like 4a
>>16037651
Last I checked, retro had some of the leads from the good jak and daxter games. Dunno if they are still there but they worked on 2 and 3, while weaker than 1 both were engaging and enjoyable.
874083 No.16037666
>>16037659
A W101 port would be appreciated.
535399 No.16037671
>>16037659
True pokemon and animal crossing would do well for the console. I hav this nagging feeling that pokemons gonna get delayed to early next year.
>>16037666
Make it so satan.
I would like xenoblade 1 as well.
2dc430 No.16037675
>>16037651
I don't think Samus Returns 3D was bad. Sure there some optional content locked behind physical DLC, but the base game was decent for Metroid standards. Not sure about any sequence-breaking.
Apparently Prime 3 wasn't as good as Echoes. I even find myself having trouble getting far in the first Prime game.
874083 No.16037676
>>16037666
I suspect I just sold my soul for a W101 port. Worth it.
2dc430 No.16037679
>>16037664
>Also wouldn't be surprised is Retro is also full of trannies and feminists
Please don't scare me like that. Somebody, PLEASE give us some research.
535399 No.16037680
>>16037675
3 was more linear because it basically consisted of a hub to connect each area rather than 1 flowing world. 2 suffers at the end for a tedious collectathon and retro geting rushed.
2dc430 No.16037687
>>16037680
Ah damn. And I thought 2 was the only good one.
d25b9d No.16037690
>>16037680
3 was casualized for the Wii audience. Knowing how Mario Odyssey and BOTW have slightly casualized their gameplay, expect the same level for Metroid Prime 4.
2dc430 No.16037693
>>16037690
How was Mario Odyssey casualized? There was a decent amount of challenge.
535399 No.16037694
>>16037687
Each one has flaws, 1 is considered the best and most flowing in its playthrough, 2 sells you on its atmosphere and has the ugliest samus model ever 3 wraps things up pretty well and despite being pretty linear had fun with its sets.
570323 No.16037695
I can't fucking believe this shit. I can't even cope with Metroid romhacks due to how few they are.
Well, at least it won't be another Other M.
2dc430 No.16037699
>>16037694
>Each one has flaws
>doesn't explain 1's flaw
okay dude
d25b9d No.16037702
>>16037693
Casualized in the sense that you get rewarded more frequently for mundane stuff (i.e. Easier to get stars in Odyssey and random achievements in Smash Ultimate).
2dc430 No.16037708
>>16037705
>The news about Metriod canceled is really disappointing
Do you even read everything that's said? They're starting over, not canceling it.
5f24c8 No.16037714
>>16037679
It would make sense
>based in Austin, the leftist stronghold of Texas
>many members of upper management are rumored to post on resetera
535399 No.16037715
>>16037690
3 was streamlined, and the motion controls, it being one of the few games to utilize it well enough, did make it easier since it was easier to aim than with dual sticks. They imitated the system halfway from super but forgot that you could turn off beam upgrades to get different effects. Botw was simplified and made plain. Odyssey was probably the best return to 64 that they could do, though some of the moons were pretty damn easy
>>16037699
2 I explained in a prior post of being rushed in development and has a tacked on collectathon which does not flow and has you revisiting places really out of the way. 3 is really, really linear and has almost none of the exploration of the other 2. 1 without the motion aiming is clunky, and all 3 on the hardest difficulty have damage sponge bosses.
2dc430 No.16037720
>>16037715
>2 I explained in a prior post of being rushed in development and has a tacked on collectathon which does not flow and has you revisiting places really out of the way. 3 is really, really linear and has almost none of the exploration of the other 2. 1 without the motion aiming is clunky, and all 3 on the hardest difficulty have damage sponge bosses.
Don't repeat yourself, idiot. All you had to do was explain Metroid Prime 1's flaw. Do you need to make everything needlessly complicated for yourself?
f5319c No.16037722
>Dumb enough to announce a project that didn't even exist and only had a logo at e3
>Retro Studios yet again despite a majority of the talent leaving after Metroid Prime 3
>had to throw out a year and a half worth of development time and game could be stuck in development hell for so long that expectations get too high
Most people will cite the Miyamoto quote how a delayed game is better then rushing a game but man having it gotten this bad to the point where your transparent enough to release a video how it was shit and had to be thrown out is a big enough worry about the future of this game even if it's development is restarted
>>16037699
weak enemy factions, extremely easy difficulty, boring lore, bosses are meh
2dc430 No.16037723
>>16037714
Well, was there any even mild agenda pushing in the Donk Konk series?
2dc430 No.16037726
>>16037722
Thigh holster made sense. Why didn't they keep it?
5f24c8 No.16037729
>>16037723
I don't know about the Retro Donkey Kong games, I haven't owned a nintendo product since the gamecube.
916236 No.16037739
>He bought a Nintendo branded Nvidia Tegra tablet for portd and rehashes
The only goof thing about Nintendorks is that at least they're not Sonyggers
2dc430 No.16037741
>>16037729
Honestly, I think they would push something with a lore-based game. That's awful. I guess the only saving grace, is that they fired the Chinese Bamco branch, if the rumors were true.
833fd7 No.16037744
No. This is good news.
I rather get a good game.
7fa74d No.16037750
>>16037679
Doing a quick look at their website there's no sign of poz. Likewise their twitter has only posted when there's a holiday, when someone asks if they still exist, and when they have barbecues (even then it's stock images of brisket). The lack of any ego-stroking is a good sign, since that's a telltale sign of poz. I have yet to look into lead members of the team but so far so good.
535399 No.16037752
>>16037720
I misread you. Anon got some, the xray visor was fairly useless I think its only really needed for 1 form of metroid prime and maybe one of the large pirates the non missile supers were very situational, and higer difficulty is just enemies becoming sponges.
2dc430 No.16037761
>>16037750
Sounds kinda wholesome. Why can't more devs do this?
2dc430 No.16037770
>>16037765
Still doesn't mean they're cancelling it, you idiot. And if Liru happened, NEVER EVER has become null and void.
2dc430 No.16037777
>>16037774
Their Dickey Kunt games were alright. Decent, but with no real stand-out features. Seems like they were really playing it safe for those games.
2dc430 No.16037784
>>16037782
You are just another fatalist with no proof. Go back to >>>/doomer/ or it's Reddit equivalent.
d25b9d No.16037793
>>16037790
Why are you celebrating when the source can do the pozz themselves?
3eb377 No.16037794
I don't care for Metroid. I wish devs of Retro's talent weren't wasting their time on it.
2dc430 No.16037802
>>16037780
Thanks I guess.
2dc430 No.16037804
>>16037790
I'm cautiously optimistic about that.
59c05b No.16037807
>>16037794
It's a good thing no one cares what you want
2dc430 No.16037809
>>16037793
If >>16037750 is any indication, they don't really do much on the social media side of things to warrant proof of any pozzed behavior. May mean nothing about what actually happens internally, but it's a positive start.
fa4063 No.16037814
What quality? They were totally fine with the 2 remake being underwhelmingly dull and how garbage the pikmin 3DS game was
Nintendo has no standards and just want to outsource the blame when it enviably sucks
4c8e35 No.16037816
Most likely, art assets and music and the like will be reused wherever possible, I highly doubt that everything outright was scrapped. However, most likely, big chunks, like the story, cutscenes and stage design was dropped. Still a massive setback, I'm sure.
I'm just curious, Nintendo's not foreign to shitting out a bad a game. So how bad must it have been? Did they make Samus a strong womyn? Did it try be like Other M?
It's entirely possible that they just announced it to get Metroidfags to buy a Switch, had no plans whatsoever to actually make it, and are gonna release it for their next platform, which Metroidfags will buy as well. In other words, they just lied about it coming to Switch at all.
2dc430 No.16037818
>>16037814
Maybe this time around, they're a little worried about the final product? It's rare for a 'deity' like Nintendo to worry about the mistakes they've made, let alone publicly voicing that concern. Perhaps this is a sign that this is one of their rare blue-moon moments they give a shit. Only time will tell.
c6ff10 No.16037819
>>16037793
If that was true then translations from Japanese to english would always be pozzed, faggot.
3c82f7 No.16037820
>>16037671
>xenoblade 1
With extra content like the last city who got scrapped for no reason, and the quest to give number 7 it body back.
9d97e5 No.16037823
>>16037705
I want to fuck that librarian.
fa4063 No.16037828
570323 No.16037829
>>16037816
>Did they make Samus a strong womyn?
Samus has always been a "strong womyn" Hell, arguably, THE first vidya strong womyn.
It's just that, in-universe, nobody really gives a shit about it.
f5319c No.16037847
First thing to consider: unlikely they can go back to the Prime 1/2/3 shooting combat. Going back to those feels somewhat dated and simple nowadays even if it's good. Even with Retro on board they have to change the core gameplay somewhat and give it more flair.
Second thing to consider for those worried about [Current Year] poz: Metroid Prime 3 had the smallest tits on Samus to date and there was no precedent or reason to even do this back then since no other Metroid game had Samus that small and the political correct menace wasn't as prevalent or extreme back then.
Final thing to consider: what if the game turns out shit and it's revealed that the previous project that they scrapped actually looked more promising then what we got?
>>16037722
It makes sense, but I think it detracts from the overall design more then adds to it in-game. Maybe that's the reason.
f5319c No.16037850
>>16037847
meant to reply to >>16037726 instead of my own post
570323 No.16037858
>>16037843
>Samus is a woman
>Samus is strong
>Therefore, Samus is a strong woman.
Get it? It's just, that, in-universe, nobody gives a fuck about the fact that she's female, not even herself.
2dc430 No.16037865
>>16037829
People in-universe see her as a hero, not as a woman. As it should be.
2cc702 No.16037879
>>16037873
Got any loli Samus?
2dc430 No.16037883
>>16037873
>>16037879
Try to keep it spoilered, I'm at work lol
c582ab No.16037892
>>16037873
Isn't Samus like 7ft? Why lewd such a tall girl?
c582ab No.16037904
>>16037895
>>16037900
You'd think it would be weird to have a girl that towers over you in height.
919d9f No.16037917
>>16037603
So MP4 is in development hell. It's the next Duke Nuke 'em Forever. Maybe we'll see it in 10 years as a mobile title.
408d40 No.16037919
>>16037904
>>16037906
>>16037909
Do you know what you would call such a tall woman like Samus?
Mommy.
408d40 No.16037920
>>16037918
>Still taller than me
570323 No.16037921
>>16037896
Seems like we have two completely different definitions for "strong womyn", but i get what you mean.
c34571 No.16037924
>>16037641
Most of original Metroid Prime Trilogy staff were gone so I don't think Retro Studios could make good as previous MP games anymore.
aa9a01 No.16037926
Atleast Metroid is still getting games. Pour one out for every great nintendo IP that hasn't gotten a game in over a decade. Chug another if the game did poorly on a console that overall did poorly.
4c8e35 No.16037927
>>16037917
Why do people keep throwing around Duke Nukem Forever? MP4 hasn't even been in development for two years.
a4ae3e No.16037939
>>16037603
>Nintendo wasn't happy with how Metroid Prime 4 was turning out and felt it wasn't up to the quality of what a sequel to the trilogy should be, so they're scrapping everything and restarting development of the game from scratch
Wonder how it'll play in the Switch.
>Good news, they've decided maybe having Retro, the guys who made the trilogy in the first place, involved in the development of the game was a good idea after all, and they're now collaborating with them on development
They're serious, are they? Retro has been hemorrhaging talent, especially the guys who did the original trilogy because they've been doing nothing and they wanted to do other projects other than Donkey Kong for the last two console generations.
8aaf31 No.16037940
>>16037603
Nips can't make a fun FPS to save their lives. When's the last time nips made an FPS (that wasn't an arcade machine) that was fun? I'll wait because there's no way you can give a good answer. They're shit at it and I bet the Nintendo EAD team that was working on Prime 4 is having a tism fit about having to ask filthy gaijin for help.
>>16037651
Retro still makes good games though. Even if the staff isn't the same, I trust them to make it fun.
>>16037879
Lolifags need to fuck off and die.
>"You know that's a pretty hot lady anon, but it'd be hotter if she had the body of a pre-pubescent girl"
You fags are just like furfags, you're never satisfied with anything that doesn't strictly adhere to your fetishes.
408d40 No.16037943
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>>16037925
I love Mommy Samus.
408d40 No.16037960
>>16037940
You may find lolicons annoying, but what do you think of mothercons?
There's not enough motherly Samus art.
919d9f No.16037972
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>>16037879
All I could find.
9d4e74 No.16037975
I am not disappointed because it's being delayed, I'm disappointed because I thought Retro Studios were the devs all along. Who was working on this that was so incompetent that Nintendo had to publicly fire them and apologize to the world? And what was Retro's true secret project if it wasn't this? Why would Nintendo trust a random dev to bring their sole FPS franchise over 10 years into the future?
Otherwise I'm fine. I would much rather they scrap a failure and apologize for it than try to sell us piece of shit that they have no confidence in just to make back their investment, deny that it was a mistake for years, then eventually shutter the franchise completely.
b0d633 No.16037979
>>16037635
>Retro's been making new Donkey Kong Country games.
The last full game they released was 2015
>>16037715
> did make it easier since it was easier to aim than with dual sticks
1 and 2 didn't use dual analogue aiming. It had lock on. Which, since I consider Metroid Prime games to be adventure games, was far better then MP3s aiming.
5c3266 No.16037989
Last one. Lewd again later
9244bb No.16037992
>>16037980
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d90acc No.16038016
>>16037975
Apparently it was Bamco.
9d97e5 No.16038017
>>16037950
You say Man size, I say King Size.
d90acc No.16038028
>inb4 metroid prime 4 becomes the new duke nukem forever
6b3c31 No.16038031
>>16037829
She isn't even a woman, probably lays eggs.
486b62 No.16038041
>>16037829
>>16037865
They see her as a hero, a butcher, and a myth, depending on one's point of view. Most normal soldiers don't even think she exists and when she's hired on by the GF, she often costs an exuberant amount of money to do whatever they want her to do. Helps she dresses like Carmen Sandiego, so folks likely don't know where she is.
>>16037892
Because Gray Voice wasn't a manlet.
486b62 No.16038047
>>16038030
Sakamoto was "producer" on Samus Returns, but that game doesn't contain a single drop of dialogue and basically everything was done by Mercurysteam.
919f26 No.16038068
>>16037940
>When's the last time nips made an FPS (that wasn't an arcade machine) that was fun?
<Remember hearing that Breakdown was pretty good.
Other than that, can't really think of any Nip made FPS games. They've only made third-person shooters, with most of them being "Star Hunter Society" games ("PSO/Monster Hunter clones").
b12326 No.16038086
>>16037918
Any source for that? Or rather, any source that doesn't also say that the baby Metroid is killed by a balding fat man and one of the Muppets?
cbb71f No.16038112
>>16037726
Probably because it doesn't make sense for the purpose of the zero-suit, which is just an under suit for the power suit. It's too bulky to comfortably fit inside the power suit, and the zero-suit isn't intended for combat. The only reason she had a pistol during the ZS section in Zero Mission was because she was able to quickly grab one while crashing. It's why she doesn't have a holster for the pistol in that game, because it wasn't something she was expected to use with the ZS, it was just her quickly grabbing whatever weapon she could.
8189df No.16038113
>Everyone calling it an FPS when its actually a first person action adventure game
de86c8 No.16038115
>>16037980
Checkmate, transmisogynists.
cd0882 No.16038116
>Nitendo shits the bed again by not letting anyone else borrow their toys/IP's
NEWS AT ELEVEN
8aaf31 No.16038119
>>16038068
>The last time nips made a good FPS was when Namco was still a soverign entity
Case in point.
>>16037960
>Samus will never one day put Ridley down for good, retire and have many beautiful children
Why live?
>>16038113
>Implying they can't be both
8189df No.16038123
>>16038116
But Metroid Prime 4 was originally being handled by Bandai Namco.
919f26 No.16038127
>>16038113
<THIS is a "first person action adventure" game (However, even then, it's still a shooter whenever the police show up)
0b11cc No.16038128
>>16038115
do anyone has that webm?
8189df No.16038134
I just realized that Bandai Namco and CC2 (who is owned by Bandai Namco) had gotten two high profile IPs and fucked on both. This and the FF7 remake.
cd0882 No.16038137
>>16038123
That's only because they now in too deep after smash bros and I can only hope they realize how jewish Shiggy is
>>16038127
I fucking hate that I loved the original Mirrors edge but then I have to live in a timeline where that almost once a lifetime good idea gets fucking wasted.
i listen to ME's version of Still Alive more than I ever have for the shitty meme Portal 1 ending song
919f26 No.16038141
>>16038134
Speaking of which, whatever happened to Project Treasure?
8aaf31 No.16038143
>>16038134
Reportedly, Square cut CC2 out of FFVII remake because it was a dumpster fire and they were making no progress. I imagine the same thing happened with Bamco's Metroid Prime 4 project.
66ec08 No.16038144
>>16037603
I had no hope for the game to begin with, because Japan doesn't seem to really understand what made Metroid good. Shitcanning development and bringing Retro in might be the best outcome in this, considering even Nintendo thought development wasn't turning out well. Then again I don't think Retro is doing so good lately either.
Worst case scenario it goes from being a shit game to remaining a shit game.
8189df No.16038145
>>16038141
Literally a low quality freemium game.
a42ba9 No.16038147
>>16038086
Nintendo Power included this in their promotional materials around the time Super Metroid came out.
Although Nintendo Power wouldn't ordinarily be that trustworthy a source in and of themselves, the Metroid features they did at that time contained a lot of other weird info (Ridley killed Samus' family, Samus was raised by alien birds and infused with their DNA) that now seems to be accepted as canon in Japan.
Of course, it's possible that Samus simply USED to be 6'3" but then Sakamoto shrunk her as part of his waifuization.
0e472c No.16038149
>>16037603
it will be on SwitchU then
1d5b76 No.16038151
>>16037641
That's not what "beg the question" means, through.
5657f3 No.16038152
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>>16037940
>Nips can't make a fun FPS to save their lives
I present to you a Japanese FPS where you can move in all cardinal directions and aim at the same time, features good boss fights, and was nota bene released before Wolfenstein 3D
d19bbf No.16038158
Remember that anecdote from Prime 1's development where Miyamoto threatened to cancel the whole thing if they couldn't get the morph ball right? Guess that wasn't an empty threat.
8aaf31 No.16038163
>>16038152
>Arcade game
It's like you didn't even read my post. Also, that game is ancient. Which proves my point again. There is not a single modern Nip studio that is capable of making a good FPS. They have no sense of what makes FPS games fun and that's why Nintendo has to beg and plead the gaijin to make Metroid great again.
>>16038158
Yeah, and Miyamoto didn't like Splatoon. The guy is a nut who's far past his expiration date. It should have been Miyamoto and not Gunpei
9d97e5 No.16038172
>>16038147
>Of course, it's possible that Samus simply USED to be 6'3" but then Sakamoto shrunk her as part of his waifuization.
I wouldn't be surprised, but they haven't bothered releasing character info like that since Super Metroid.
486b62 No.16038173
>>16038147
I think the rewritten DNA, war training, and the family bonding to Gray Voice was perfect addition to her and was a wonderful stopgap to various out-of-suit feats she can do (like jumping 15 feet in the air).
486b62 No.16038185
>>16038163
I'll never forgive what he did to Paper mario. the concept of this wonderfully full of life world with so many characters and species thrown away for "lol toads".
b6ec6e No.16038186
>>16037641
stop talking about [development studios] as though they are individuals with a reputation. All of its staff could be replaced and it would still have the same name, what fucking matters is how many people remain from the original games. God I fucking hate vague generalizing nigger language like this so much when talking about video games
919f26 No.16038200
>>16038163
>They have no sense of what makes FPS games fun
What about the fact that barely any Western developer can figure out what it is that makes platformers, beat-em up, and RPGs fun? Actvision just did two straight up remasters, Dad of Soy…I think the video says it all, and do I really need to bring up Fallout 76?
5657f3 No.16038201
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>>16038163
>It's like you didn't even read my post
I posted it regardless because I knew you meant 'rail shooters' which this game isn't, instead of as something as vague and universal as 'arcade machines'
Interestingly you will see several things in Gun Buster which you very rarely see in other Western shooters, like projectiles you have to shoot down before they get to you or boss encounters which aren't just 'circlestrafe it until it dies'
>There is not a single modern Nip studio that is capable of making a good FPS
Because they never tried it either, one of the reason Nintendo outsourced Metroid Prime to an American Studio was because Metroid is more popular in the West than in Japan, and gaijins liked FPSes like Halo at the time which Retro had some experience in making. Besides, first-person shooters used to be a PC-oriented genre while Japanese gamers stuck to consoles, and even during the CoD age Japanese developers did not have the knowhow or resources to compete with big Western AAA blockbusters, so they never tried.
Yet it's kind of funny how popular these shooters are nowadays in Japan, you tend to see a lot of Payday or Battlefield or whatever in manganime. A tactical shooter about idol waifu operators would probably sell billions there.
On another note, it looks like China is going to beat Japan on the front of the first Asian country to make a good modern FPS.
b6eaa7 No.16038212
>>16038158
Funny how Miyamoto can throw his weight around on even the IPs he didn't make.
>>16038163
Miyamoto has gone senile and it showed with the Paper Mario series. I want him to retire and just be a full time grandfather to his half white grandchildren.
919f26 No.16038220
>>16038201
>A tactical shooter about idol waifu operators would probably sell billions there.
<First four
Speaking of which, that reminds me about how Devil's Third exists, and I remember hearing that it was decent.
486b62 No.16038236
>>16038220
Devils Third is pretty amusing. it's third person for most of the gameplay until you use a gun, suddenly sinking you into 1st person to let you use the sights on the guns. It has a lot of the flair of games like Vanquish in it's melee options, but it does struggle to stand out in places.
c6ff10 No.16038251
>>16038200
Don't forget that the remasters are vastly inferior to their originals.
f72c45 No.16038257
>>16037960
>There's not enough motherly Samus art.
Which is very weird considering she's part bird. You would figure she's positively overflowing with estrogen when she isn't hunting jellyfish.
9d253e No.16038258
Probably the first time in a while I've actually been okay with a game delay, seeing as it now means Retro's doing it.
And before you go "oh well everybody left after Metroid Prime 3…" have you played the new Donkey Kong games? They're actually not half bad. This also means we'll (hopefully) get cool enemy and environmental designs and not the cartoony Sakamoto-endorsed ones seen in Other M.
a63f29 No.16038265
As I was watching it I figured they just cancelled so I came on here to get comments for an "OH NO NO NO NO" webm but they merely restarted development.
I find it interesting that Nintendo has the time to tell people that they're restarting a game from scratch but 90% of indie devs on crowd funding sites mysteriously disappear with all the backers' money when the game isn't go well.
fe45e8 No.16038267
>>16037960
Why are mothercons a thing?
92dac0 No.16038270
>>16037924
Yeah, that's probably the main reason why. But, now that most of the people there at least have experience with DKTF, it is not as dire of a situation as it was years ago when the project actually started.
7f922e No.16038274
>>16037603
>don't like the game
>cancel it and restart development
>apologize
The Japanese are so cute.
>>16038147
I wish there were more tall women. Sick of all these 5'4" dwarfs.
f7b8e9 No.16038275
>>16038267
Same reason why dadcons are a thing.
1482ba No.16038279
>>16038257
>ywn be a shota stuck in this suit with her
453c45 No.16038280
>>16038267
Because families are now highly dysfunctional anon.
a63f29 No.16038281
>Comments are disabled on this video
lol
c6ff10 No.16038284
>>16038279
>You can move your hips while inside the suit
Never ever.
2e1201 No.16038286
>>16038267
You'll see why if you check this thread.
>>>/animu/31332
56ef7a No.16038296
I know what happened.
Nintendo based the fan's interest in the series on the sales margins of the last 2 metroid games. Other M and Samus Returns.
Other M was a shit show and sold and sold close to 1 million units world wide. Samus Returns was a solid game, but did poorly because they released it on a dead console. Samus returns sold roughly 550,000 copies world wide. Going from 1 million to half a million units sold from one iteration to another shows that the IP is no longer profitable and therefore close to dying or dead all together.
Since Nintendo thought that Metroid is a dead series they commissioned a 3rd party to work on their IP with little to no supervision. Either they make a good game and revitalize the series, or the game is so bad the company that developed the title is forever vilified by the fans for being given full reign of the project. Win/win scenario for Nintendo. So Nintendo did their usual shenanigans of being secretive and announced the game and the developer half way through the development cycle. Big mistake for Nintendo.
They did not expect for metroid to build this much hype following their E3 announcement. The executives of Nintendo saw the probability of huge profit margins from this hype. They took a peek at
the half complete game and noticed that it was shitting the bed. They saw the shit show of a game that bandai namco had created, which I guarantee you, was a half baked hack and slash warrior clone with metroid slapped on top of it. Nintendo was mad. They told bandai namco to fix this atrocity and delayed the release of the game. However, instead of keeping close and scrutinizing their work they let bandai work unsupervised again.
Bandai finished the new product and made a fighting game of all things. Nintendo was furious. As a result, they scrapped the whole project, pimp slapped bandai and went back to retro for sloppy fourths.
fafc69 No.16038302
Mark why are you deleting my post?
f72c45 No.16038307
>>16038302
Because your nyoubooru-samus reminds him of his (((people's))) obsession with fecal matter, and he can't stand the genetic shame.
919f26 No.16038308
>>16038296
>Nintendo based the fan's interest in the series on the sales margins of the last 2 metroid games. Other M and Samus Returns.
What about Federation Force?
453c45 No.16038311
>>16038302
Jews are deeply threatened by beautiful aryan women.
8299ec No.16038314
>>16038302
>Mark why are you deleting my post?
<dumps porn
<brapshit nonetheless
4db9fb No.16038326
>>16038267
helicopter parents
17c030 No.16038336
>>16038147
That article is about as credible as the one that says Samus is a tranny tbh
486b62 No.16038341
>>16038308
Ah, fed fucks. I still think it was the result of an E-shop trash game being worked on by a guy who REALLY wanted to make metroid game and couldn't re-make the assets.
55b797 No.16038348
>>16037633
this is the first thing i thought too. other m is probably still too fresh in everyone's minds to risk alienating even more fans with yet another piece of shit
a84ec4 No.16038389
I guess it was good that it was restarted instead of cancelled. I had forgotten about Prime 4 since the last time I heard about it. Kind of weird there was no Retro Studio involvement before.
3eb377 No.16038397
>>16038267
Kids raised by single mothers that probably heard them getting plowed a few too many times.
e4655d No.16038409
>>16038163
>The guy is a nut who's far past his expiration date. It should have been Miyamoto and not Gunpei
This. He fucked up the Paper Mario series and the recent Starfox game.
91e448 No.16038416
>>16038185
>paper mario N64
absolute masterpice
>paper mario: TTYD
still just as awesome as the original if not more
>everything after
complete shit, and nintendo continues to follow suit and keep it shit
I dont understand what happened to people after TTYD, its like they thought different ideas with paper was smart.
15a014 No.16038417
8189df No.16038421
>>16038348
Don't forget federation force.
40e5da No.16038425
>>16038336
>Nintendo's propaganda magazine isn't a believable source on what is to be considered canon regarding Metroid, and is just as bullshit as John Flynt's claims that he is a pretty pretty princess
Okay.
>>16038409
Believe me, as soon as I get access to spacetime transpositioning tech…
92dac0 No.16038440
>>16038163
>>16038409
What the fuck makes you guys so convinced that Gunpei Yokoi is the "true" director of Metroid? The only games he could have influenced were the 1st one, Metroid 2, and Super Metroid. But even then, he was neck-deep in directing the Virtual Boy's development in the early 90's. To me, saying Gunpei Yokoi is the main guy behind Metroid is like saying Kimishima is the main developer of BotW. Just because he was a recognizable big-wig in the company at the time doesn't mean he did anything on the development. And don't give me that "he was listed in the credits" crap; Miyamoto was listed too.
b75448 No.16038482
>another mediocre snail-paced FPS (with probably bad tank controls again now that the Wiimote + Nunchuk are gone)
Where's the good news exactly?
b75448 No.16038497
>>16038201
>one of the reason Nintendo outsourced Metroid Prime to an American Studio was because Metroid is more popular in the West than in Japan
A persistent myth that is 100% false. Metroid was a million-seller in Japan and Super Metroid sold more there than in the far larger market of North America.
b75448 No.16038512
>>16038147
>Samus was raised by alien birds and infused with their DNA
Source this bullshit. I owned every issue of Nintendo Power up until like #150 and never came across this stupid garbage until Zero Mission.
919f26 No.16038520
700a09 No.16038578
>>16038482
Now that Other M has been memed into a bad game by e-celebs we're going to be stuck with the same horrid console FPS genre for Prime 4 instead of Bamco's unique take on the IP.
a0c6bd No.16038584
>>16038578
Other m was just plain bad no memeing required.
f72c45 No.16038585
>>16038578
<Other m is seen as bad now
<now
< N O W
Nigger you better be pretending to be this retarded
f096c1 No.16038587
>>16038578
I see what you did there.
9d6772 No.16038594
>>16038578
But Andrew Dobson loved Other M.
84719a No.16038595
>>16037702
I think the big problem is you're thinking of moons in Odyssey like stars in the usual 3D Mario games instead of as green stars from 3D World.
>>16038185
Didn't he also say he didn't like Sticker Star after they changed it, and didn't really like Toad?
9d97e5 No.16038598
>>16038594
So did Movieblob. He threw a huge fit over it getting raked over the coals by fans.
bda542 No.16038600
>>16038578
>now
Get the fuck off of 8ch Dobson, go blow up a balloon.
9d6772 No.16038608
>>16038600
The Mario series has canon inflation.
fba37c No.16038613
>>16037641
Because Retro is apparently working on another Nintendo franchise aswell. Gotta give it to Nintendo, going out of their way to admit their chosen dev fucked up and throwing away a couple of years of dev time to start again takes some courage, and they didn't have to go out of their way to tell people this. But I'm not sure, Retro is not the same studio it once was and a lot of the creative machine that made the prime trilogy is no longer there, so unless they find their footing I think the game is going to be highly iterative.
b75448 No.16038622
>>16038520
Absolutely nothing to do with Nintendo Power, try again.
586776 No.16038628
>>16038041
I'd like to see lewds of Samus in Carmen San Diego coat someday.
9d6772 No.16038636
>>16038613
Why couldn't Bamco just use the Prime trilogy's gameplay mechanics as reference is beyond me.
f72c45 No.16038640
>>16038628
I'd like to see more art of Samus in casual attire in the games. Fuck, make it the reward for 100% completion–whole gallery of her going about her daily life, talking with friends who have no idea what she does for a living, spending time in her ship, etc. Anything to give her a bit more personality with no dialogue'.
272198 No.16038641
>>16038640
The 100% reward should be being able to play in the red bikini from the first game. Not the Justin Bailey outfit, the actual bikini.
9d97e5 No.16038644
f72c45 No.16038648
>>16038641
That's a good idea to. I just want her to get a slight bit of personality like the other silent protagonists get without it going into fusion and mom levels of bullshit dialogue.
919f26 No.16038653
>>16038641
>Prime 4 100% completion unlock is the red bikini
>Look down
>See boobs.
9d6772 No.16038655
I want Samus to actually have a motherly side, not that abortion of a "the baby" personality she had in Other M.
f72c45 No.16038658
>>16038653
>Idle animation is Samus pulling her top and fanning her cleavage
453c45 No.16038659
>>16038641
So long as samus has at least d-cup breasts I'm down with this.
1f84b2 No.16038663
>>16037603
Guess it wasn't gimmicky enough. They are also probably dropping a Zelda, and holding it for the Switch U.
39fba6 No.16038665
>>16038578
>Bamco's unique take on the IP.
If by "Unique" you mean "Dog shit" then yes, very unique.
>>16038613
If it means anything Dong freeze was a pretty good game, great in fact. It might not be the same but I am sure they can still make good games.
>>16038640
I like this idea.
e4655d No.16038676
>>16038440
>What the fuck makes you guys so convinced that Gunpei Yokoi is the "true" director of Metroid?
I've never said that.
50224c No.16038701
>>16038640
Zero Mission did that to an extent, it's kinda sad that they never got back to that.
b75448 No.16038718
>>16038644
Well I stand corrected. Looks like this fucking idiocy was even in Nintendo Power after all. Pretty short blurb but there it is.
b75448 No.16038724
>>16038578
I see what you're trying to do but those with a bit of intelligence are capable of recognizing the possibility that Other M being bad does not automatically make Prime good.
9a8738 No.16038777
Could someone repost that image of zero suit samus with the huge tiddies? It had a plain white background.
34fbbd No.16038782
>>16038777
There are many of them fucking nigger
80d1f1 No.16038788
A rushed game is always bad. A delayed game is good eventually. As much as I'm Jonesing for more Metroid Prime, I'll accept the delay over getting Samus '06.
Especially since all of her character assassination came from Nintendo in-house. I'll be glad to see Samus back to the stoic, melancholy space monk of planetary annihilation instead of the daddy-issues space bimbo with beauty mark and fucking neon combat highheels.
e86d6a No.16038802
Best bad news I've ever heard.
453c45 No.16038804
>>16038777
If this isn't it then tough. spoilered because of marks inherent fear of women.
9a8738 No.16038808
>>16038804
That's it, thank you.
7f922e No.16038814
Today, I will remind them.
e86d6a No.16038820
>>16037943
>rules
>cum inside
fafc69 No.16038821
>>16038314
its just a funny edit of a classic splashbrush you silly goose
334a88 No.16038881
I had a visceral reaction to the news that Namco would be making the game. They've never made a stellar 3d platform game. It would have made more sense to have Platinum Games make the game. If they can get the majority of the Retro Studios developers back, I'm sure it would be good. Hopefully they still release it on Switch as well as the next Nintendo console. I don't see how they could get it out until 2021 if they're starting from scratch.
c22ba0 No.16038903
what kind of games retro guys have made so far?
334a88 No.16038908
873846 No.16038949
>>16037603
Well that fucking sucks, but I guess it's nice that they're trying to make a proper addition to the Prime series instead of rushing out a quick cash grab that rides on the Prime name.
97d40e No.16038965
>>16038903
Source?
Iqdb gives me nothing.
c22ba0 No.16039025
>>16038965
I Am Behemoth Of The S Rank Monster, But I Am Mistaken As A Cat And I Live As A Pet Of Elf Girl
Yes the title is that fucking long
c22ba0 No.16039028
>>16039026
cute girls in power armor.
2cc702 No.16039065
>>16039025
That elf really needs to fuck the cat already.
97d40e No.16039131
>>16039025
>it's a regular mango
Huh.
Thanks a lot, mate.
Also, fucking nips and their absurd titles, holy shit.
1f84b2 No.16039155
dbd070 No.16039167
That's all well and gay, but WHERE'S PIKMIN 4, FUCKOS????
c22ba0 No.16039179
>>16039155
well, a lot of potential customers have phones, so the original fanbase will just have to play it on their phones too, it will bring a lot of profits.
1f84b2 No.16039184
Actually, this is not a good thing. It just means they are gonna rush the shit out of it so they can squeeze more money out of the Switch.
a388ac No.16039200
>>16039184
Anon if that was the case, woulden't they just push out the one they already had in development that they didn't consider good enough?
4db9fb No.16039202
1f84b2 No.16039220
>>16039200
Depends on why they meant by "standards", considering we are talking about modern nintendo here.
696b2a No.16039259
What's the current devs lineup at Retro?
Pozzed or not?
149249 No.16039455
>>16039259
They're based in Austin, which is the equivalent of San Francisco. Take it as you will.
143eb7 No.16039562
>>16038903
Just a few small games for the GC, Wii, 3DS and WiiU.
I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.
586776 No.16039566
>>16038640
I want to be pulled in on a surprise date with Samus wearing a one-piece knee length space dress.
ca7083 No.16039569
>>16039455
But they've been based in Austin before it became another San Fran. Not to mention there's so far zero signs of SJW influence on their products
b3abd0 No.16039571
>>16038068
EDF.
I wish someone smart will be the project manager, and forces all workers to play MP 1 & 2. Then examine the foundation of it and try to repeat it. 3 was too different and I never liked it, nor did I get 10% into the game. It needs to be isolation, exploring zones with no dialogue cutscenes, and a hundred other subtleties.
94de6a No.16039982
>>16038236
>>16038220
I LOVED Devil's Third!
MOBILITY you could climb up most walls, greatly turning the world into a nice playground where you could travel most places quickly. You could quickly get on top of buildings for vantage/ambush points, or chase/flee targets.
RADAR every time somebody fires a gun, throws a grenade or even just runs, they appear on your radar. This makes the combat much more fast paced than normal because it brings people into the action much faster, and almost nobody can camp. There are ways to hide from the radar by walking, using melee weapons, using special stealth (but low HP) clothing, or putting on suppressors/silencers on your weapon (reduces damage, and I think range or how far you'll appear on enemy radar).
MELEE everybody gets melee combat, and can carry 1 melee weapon to battle. You can knock a person's weapon out of their hands (since they use a weapon to block melee attacks). Not always a last resort, since throwing your weapon will be an instant kill (if it hits), and the smaller weaker melee weapons (like knives) travel faster through the air…then again, you'll have to be pretty close to pull this off. Also if you throw your weapon and miss, you'll get screwed, you'll get hurt if you block bare-handed against a melee weapon attack.
BUILDINGS image Super Mario Maker with buildings outfitted with machine guns, grenade launchers, anti-aircraft guns, and that's the battlefield you play on during raids. You could even call in air strikes, and some air strikes did weird things like drop supplies or destroy enemy team's radar.
It screwed up a lot of things, but it did many things very well.
b0d633 No.16040188
https://archive.fo/WGY2Z
This is being passed around by the same people who said Retro was making a Star Fox racing game that was going to be shown at E3 and then when it wasn't started claiming they heard Retro was in trouble and they thought they were going to shut down. The timing is suspect as well since there was nothing like this being said before the announcement.
35789a No.16040402
>>16039982
sad that the steam version won't be coming
919f26 No.16040417
>>16040402
It came and went already.
41f7b8 No.16040432
>>16040188
Imagine being male and unironically telling people what pronouns to use when they talk about you.
0c150a No.16040452
>>16037603
Yesterday I was just thinking about how developers get associated with the franchises they create and how fans don't want them to be made by other studios (akin to MP4) and now this situation happens.
There goes the chances that Nintendo's E3 floor won't be a Metroid themed alien world this year.
>>16037641
Retro was possibly working on something else (and the port of DKC:TF). Now the current unknown project must be wrapping up (freeing up dev resources) so they made the MP4 pitch?
>>16037980
>Wu kept saying tons of evidence (from the games) existed saying Samus is trans
>Yet never showed any of it
>Metroid fans have NOT found any definite or even vague claims to back it up either
>No one from Nintendo not even the SJWs from NoA have said even thing about Samus being trans
>The only "evidence" Wu based the entire claim on is a joke from a fan translated Japanese interview talking with SM dev team (jokingly) mentioning she's half human, half bird alien.
>>16039982
Actually sounds like some interesting ideas. Wish the game could have had 4 player splitscreen to give it some attention away from Splatoon.
6638d9 No.16040482
>>16038512
>Source this bullshit
I slightly misremembered - they claim it was a blood infusion rather than a DNA one, but it's still pretty much the same as what apparently became official canon later on.
9d97e5 No.16040835
>>16040482
It's amazing just how many developments showing up in later games originated from a Nintendo Power comic. This might be a stretch, but it seems like even the idea behind Other M's Sense Move came from this comic, with Old Bird's explanation of how the pirate trap was able to harm her.
cb6b86 No.16040912
>>16037641
They trusted the kikes at Bandai Namco.
ebec2e No.16040917
>>16037641
The old Prime team at Retro left
The new team have proven they can work on high quality projects
They could use anything from the BotW engine to old school engines and could access the ENTIRE catalogue of Nintendo IPs
>No one here made the original 2 Prime games but make number 4 lol
cb6b86 No.16040932
>>16040188
Nintendo routinely have a single games development split between multiple studios, this cunt is just making shit up.
ebec2e No.16040990
>>16037918
So non-canon it hurts
0c150a No.16041101
>>16040917
>The old Prime team at Retro left
We still don't have the exact numbers of how many employees who worked at Retro for MP1/2/3 and Trilogy have even left.
It is known that 3 guys who headed the company left after MPT.
Would the best way to find out be to compare the credits between MP3 and/or MPT and DKC:TF to get any idea of how many remain?
ebec2e No.16041125
>>16041101
>We still don't have the exact numbers of how many employees who worked at Retro for MP1/2/3
>We still don't have the exact numbers of how many employees who worked at Retro for MP1/2/3
There was an old infograph that floated around that had all the people who left to the two texas studios, it was a SUBSTANTIAL amount of people who left
94de6a No.16041131
>>16040460
>>16040417
I was so sad about that! After it shut down on the Wii U only 1 person told me about it coming to Steam. It was only on early access, so I waited a while and when I checked again it had been closed permanently!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/653120/RockShot/
It was only open for two months! I think that the developers saw the "build a fort, defend the fort" mechanic (one of the few things that set the game apart from the rest) was being done by Fortnite, more or less stealing its thunder. Seemed they might have pulled the plug because of that.
Anyway, something else I thought was VERY slick about the game was that the developers had hidden weak points in the destructible structures you could build. Even the super strong castle structure had a hidden weakpoint!
There was also a huge post here about some insane drama on the North American server https://www.reddit.com/r/wiiu/comments/5jw5qm/devils_third_multiplayer_has_caused_insane_drama/
Ok, enough about that game, I'll concentrate on talking about Metroid.
523b0e No.16041151
>>16037739
Mario Odyssey is the best video game released this decade.
ebec2e No.16041185
>>16041151
You misspelled BotW
919d9f No.16041306
>>16041185
Breath of the Skyrim isn't even a real Zelda game.
94de6a No.16041358
All in all, I'm glad they're delaying the game. Sure I'm sad that I won't be able to play the game anytime soon, but it will be a better product than what we would get if it wasn't delayed. I think Miyamoto has been quoted as saying something like "a bad game that gets delayed might possibly become a good game, but a bad game that gets released will ALWAYS be a bad game".
>>16041125
Word is that almost everybody in Retro left after Metroid Prime 1 to another studio (I think they did a forgetable basketball game or something). Almost the entire crew who worked on Metroid Prime 2 were fresh employees.
>>16037892
>>16037918
There's discrepancy about her actual height, see attached images. Seems that in Metroid 2 it said that WITH the armor Samus is 6'3" (or 190cm), and years later for Metroid 3 they said she was also 6'3" again…but this time they said that's how tall she was with OUT the suit. Somebody measured how tall Samus would be, based on her pixels with & without the suit in Metroid 3, and it seems that she would be 6 foot 1 inches (or 185 cm tall).
It wouldn't seem that weird to me if she was over six feet tall, in California six foot blondes grow on trees.
The thing is, Other M made her kind of tiny when she's out of the suit. Prime 2's Samus was just a little bit shorter than her suit (see last image).
9d97e5 No.16041418
>>16041358
I'm in awe of just how short they made her. Then I remembered that Other M Samus is also wearing pretty big high heels, so she's actually even shorter than that once those are taken into account.
f5319c No.16041503
>>16038086
>>16038147
>>16038336
It's referenced once and never made reference again. It's made worse by the fact that there is no reference point in her games as she rarely interacts with other humans and fights monsters and aliens that usually tower her. Even the Zebesians are often shown to be bigger then her.
The thing about Metroid canon is that if it's from the pre-Fusion era and not referenced more then once then it's legitimacy of canon at this point is severely questioned.
People really underestimate how much old Metroid lore was thrown out or is never referenced again. What made some of Other M's plot points so weird actually was that it attempted to bring a lot of old Metroid lore back despite the entire mythos expanding beyond it.
94de6a No.16041530
>>16041418
>>16041418
>I'm in awe of just how short they made her
They did make her seem kinda of small.
When you see Samus stand next to the other space marines, Samus seems just as tall or even taller than most of them. The exception is Anthony Higgs (black guy) who is huge, about a head taller than Samus even with her suit.
94de6a No.16041562
>>16041503
>What made some of Other M's plot points so weird actually was that it attempted to bring a lot of old Metroid lore back despite the entire mythos expanding beyond it.
Seems there was a point where Samus did have some PTSD moment…but it was in the comics that were released in Japan. Most of the world never knew about that, all they saw was "Why is Samus acting afraid fighting Ridley, when she's never was afraid the other times she already defeated him"?
Personally, I enjoyed Other M a lot. I thought some parts were dumb (the parts where you look for clues by pointing at them), and I can see how people would get irked by not having power ups unless Adam approved it (makes the player/Samus feel so much less powerful).
I would've really liked to see the lore of the Metroid series expanded upon further…just with better writers that don't make Samus seem weaker.
94de6a No.16041583
Going to bed, so posting some more stuff before stopping for the night.
Because Retro Studios worked on Metroid Prime before they did those Donkey Kong games like Tropical Freeze, they hid a few Metroid cameos in there.
=Varia Suit is just japanengrish for Barrier Suit=
b0d633 No.16041862
>>16041583
>Boba-Fett is a compelling character
>Delivers a block of cement to an alien slug then jumps into a giant vagina. The End
I really don't understand Star Wars fans.
2873ac No.16041921
>>16041862
>I don't understand congealed soy
Why would you want to? You're better off laughing at them.
486b62 No.16042037
>>16041562
One thing forgotten about the comic version of her PTSD freakout in the book wasn't JUST seeing ridley, but ALSO finding out Gray Voice betrayed the other Chozo, and Mother Brain announcing that she'd been groomed her ENTIRE LIFE to be the weaponized spearpoint of the pirates. This happens in the span of about 2 minutes and made her see her entire life, entire purpose a lie.
She was pretty fucked up at that point and it took Gray Voice revealing his hidden hand to get her off the planet, along with her taking some time to MAKE something of herself again. She 100% lost the ability to have PTSD issues after she returned to Zebes and got the varia suit, which contains the memories of Gray Voice himself (and is why she often reverts to the varia in her down time)
586776 No.16042091
>>16041562
PTSD would have been fine… For Zero Mission. Other M just fucked everything about Samus lore-wise. If Other M wasn't after Super Metroid and Prime never existed then maybe it could have worked. Then again Other M would have shitcanned the whole franchise with how bad the gameplay is.
>>16041583
At least with Super Varia makes sense with handling "variable" extreme temperatures. Where's The wall Dumpf.
d0046e No.16042149
>>16042037
>This entire post.
Metroid lore was a mistake.
41794d No.16042379
>people doubting Retro ITT
>when Tropical Freeze exists
919f26 No.16042527
>>16042091
>Then again Other M would have shitcanned the whole franchise with how bad the gameplay is.
And, wasn't that basically gutted because Sakamoto wanted the game to be friendly for the kids (In a series where the protagonist's family was killed in front of her eyes).
9d97e5 No.16042631
>>16042527
I don't know if it was about keeping it "accessible" or not, but I remember hearing that keeping the control scheme limited to just the Wii Remote was done to force Team Ninja to come up with a simple and robust control scheme for the game.
I wouldn't even really describe Other M's gameplay as bad. It's pretty mediocre aside from the instant death set pieces, the broken nature of Sense Move spamming, the annoying way they implemented missiles, and the game holding your hand so hard that it won't even let you backtrack until you've beaten the game.
08e0b2 No.16042675
What's this talk about Pokemon this year?
731e91 No.16042811
>>16042675
During (or just after) the official reveal of Let's Go Pikachu / Eevee, they mentioned that a 'brand new' game in the main series was due the following year. Pokémon 'hype cycles' have been going like this for a while:
>Late Winter
< Teasing (then revealing) designs for brand-new species, and other character art
>Spring
< Official reveal trailer, start of a weekly drip-feed of new species and gameplay information
>Summer
< Big showcase on Nintendo's E3 stage / showfloor, possibly a 'Special Demo' on the eShop
>Autumn / Fall
< Everything in the first half of the game gets spoiled, then it gets released
f72c45 No.16042847
>>16042379
Is frozen dong really that good? I didn't like the gimmicky nature of DKC returns, did it address that flaw and the roll distance not being long enough?
34663c No.16043094
>>16037603
This is the best news I'v heard since DMC5 was finally announced.
If anyone is actually "disappointed" by this, they are not thinking about the big picture.
They were trying to making a Metroid Prime game, without the people who made Metroid Prime, of course that wasn't going to meet standards. now instead of simply curious about MP4 I'm actually optimistic about it
d4a9fa No.16043972
>>16038127
That face is revoltingly ugly.
b05280 No.16044378
>>16039982
>RADAR every time somebody fires a gun, throws a grenade or even just runs, they appear on your radar
>You could even call in air strikes, and some air strikes did weird things like drop supplies or destroy enemy team's radar.
Why are you listing a bunch of shit from call of duty like it's new or unique?
1ad871 No.16044415
>>16041125
Might be a moot point, since Prime 2 and 3 (were pretty good on their own) had little to no MP1 staff involved, and a lot of Retro's current works are high quality regardless;
Doesn't help that the one studio that boasts about having most of MP1's staff, have produced nothing but shit; Re;Core I believe, which was shit.
a279ac No.16044427
>>16037622
There's animal crossing but yeah
I honestly think they spent all their effort on the launch and the mid term but long term looks barren
a279ac No.16044468
>>16037693
The amount of skill needed to beat the main game is lower than in other 3D Mario's
Even if the game does allow for players who are skilled to be rewarded a dumb kid could beat the game too
a279ac No.16044474
>>16043094
This, I had low expectations from Bamco since this seemed out of their depths for it
da029e No.16044507
>>16037638
Play them on a wii u.
731e91 No.16044508
>>16044415
These guys, right?
The top half of this list is PS Vita ports, and everything they've done recently is just shit.
Their last project was the (cancelled) PS Vita and Wii U port of Bloodstained, so hopefully Retro poaches some talent from them before they die.
7bbfb9 No.16044516
>>16037918
Still taller than me but i seriously love tall fit girls.
f5319c No.16045204
>>16041562
MB mind controlling everything is also reminiscent of old Metroid lore, or at least from what I understand of it, as that is what is heavily implied in the original Metroid (for instance, Ridley in the original Metroid was being mind controlled by Mother Brain). This brings an issue though since she also mind controls Space Pirates despite over the years the Space pirates being shown to have more agency and intelligence, mainly the Prime games and Zero Mission.
>>16042379
>>16042847
Tropical Freeze has more creative levels, overall better music, better bosses and gameplay expanded due to the added Kongs (Dixie and Cranky).
Game has less levels overall though and less worlds. They still push the rocket barrel levels even though they aren't fun. Bonus rooms are still shit, in fact they are even worse then Returns, because at least Returns bonus rooms were designed specifically after the world they appeared in unlike Tropical Freeze where they are all generic and have the same design no matter which world you find them in. Game is made incredibly easier due to added mechanics like the Kong Pow which screen clears or that in casual play Kongs like Dixie allow for a lot of course correction. Speaking of Kongs, in casual play they are incredibly unbalanced, for example Diddy is overall pretty useless in most situations. Still no animal buddies except Rambi. Of the only six worlds in the game (as I said, it's less then previous Returns), one of them is almost entirely comprised of Water levels, pretty much defacto making it one of the most boring DKC worlds ever in the entire franchise.
Like with any Retro Studios game, Tropical Freeze takes a step forward and a step back. Yes, it's overall a better game then Returns, but not by a long shot as most people will have you believe. It's just marginally better.
>>16042527
Yes. Sakamoto was a dumbass that wanted an entire 3D action game to be played on the sideways remote to emulate the original Metroid NES controls and Team Ninja tried to fight him on it on multiple occasions for obvious reasons.
Other M gameplay would have been immensely improved with just a nunchuck.
94de6a No.16045775
>>16042037
damn, that's actually pretty hardcore really. Foster Dad pretty much goes "I know I raised you as if you were my own child, but do you remember that monster that killed your real parents? Guess who we're both going to be working for?"
Still, I gotta agree that it should not have happened in Other M, especially since the worldwide audience saw Samus in a completely different light.
>>16042091
>At least with Super Varia makes sense with handling "variable" extreme temperatures
Makes sense in english, but I think it's a translation thing. I remember back when the Morph Ball just used to be known as "Maru Mari"
d38539 No.16045786
>>16045775
What the fuck happened to Samus in Prime 2?
94de6a No.16045902
>>16045786
I wish I had answers. Samus looked so pretty in Prime 1, that I was surprised at why she looked off in Prime 2. Like they made her face or her nose too long.
bcc5db No.16045904
>>16045775
>Maru Mari
>lit. Circle Ball
490da0 No.16045909
>>16045786
>>16045902
I would suspect it was Retro's failed attempt at making her more "anime-style" like the Zero Mission Samus.
Compare to Prime 1 where she's presented as a realistic woman.
9d97e5 No.16045923
>>16045786
>>16045775
>>16045902
I'm guessing that, with the release of Metroid: Zero Mission, Nintendo might have mandated that Samus's appearance be unified across all titles. If this happened late enough in Prime 2's development they probably already had a realistic model and texture for Samus and merely retextured it to save time.
Or it could just be that they were trying to go for that look all along and failed. Either way, they definitely should've stuck with the more realistic look they'd tried with Prime. It aged pretty well, all things considered.
Goddamn though, is that Hunters Samus nice to see in motion.
821096 No.16045928
How often do they scrap games? Isn't this a pretty big in terms of the money lost? They must have had a 80% competed game and decided to entirely scrap it.
821096 No.16045947
Everyone talks about Retro being shit after Prime 3 but everyone also praises Retro for Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze. What does Retro even do if they haven't made a game in 4 years..?
2a0c22 No.16046109
>Horrible embezzlement, management issues and internal conflict that required miracles for every and every Prime entry to be released
>Gets so bad that once Retro's contract for the Prime trilogy ends, most of the studio leaves due to the shitshow
>Nintendo decides to pick them back up for a 4th game
2d679c No.16046116
>>16045786
Sakamoto and his creepy sexdoll daughter fetish.
Reminder he's been quoted as saying both that he's regarding Samus as his daughter as well as that she has a second mole but only he knows where it is.
919d9f No.16046180
>>16046109
>embezzlement
Link?
919d9f No.16046182
>>16045775
Prime Samus looks like the tranny from that Nintendo Power comic. Absolutely disgusting.
5f712e No.16046528
METROID PRIME 4 IS NEVER COMING OUT
64dabe No.16046537
>>16046528
>metroid prime 4 never
but tuuuubes are 4 ever
de0f8c No.16046731
>>16046528
I'm okay with that. The entire Metroid series is the worst of the non linear platforming genre.
2a0c22 No.16046837
>>16046180
It's well documented. Much of the funding went to company head (((Spangleberg))) and his friends' extra curricular activities which included gambling and strip clubs while the actual talent in the studio worked 12 hour work days. (((They))) reached the point where they ran out money to pay all of the employees so they laid off more and more staff causing several projects to die (the first person MegaMan, Raven Blade) until Nintendo bought the studio. Naturally, Nintendo fired his ass so he and his friends left the country with hundreds of thousands of dollars vanishing with them. Unfortunately, Nintendo decided to promote vice president (((Barcia))) following (((Spangleberg's))) vanishing act. Darwinism set in and only the best of the best remained, and with a smaller staff meant a better share of Nintendo's famous royalties right? Wrong. (((Barcia))) went in and redistributed most of the royalty allocation confidentially to greatly, greatly favor his (((friends.))) A whistle blower caught wind of this and forwarded the confidential document to the entire studio and even more people just walked out that day with more threatening to leave as well. Nintendo had to step in AGAIN and appointed a new president and at that point Retro only had a little over seven months to finish everything after the first half of Phendrana Drifts. Much of the studio left after the first game with being able to add the incredible success of Prime 1 to their resumes.
Retro was a fucking shit show and there's a reason they've only been doing nigger monkey shit for the past years.
if you want to read more
https://archive.fo/mlFdX
583d95 No.16046867
>>16046837
>spoonfeeding
<Backing up you claims is spoonfeeding
Well, you're a colossal faggot.
2a0c22 No.16046884
>>16046867
I ain't gonna fucking archive the dozen interviews, forum posts and glassdoor entries for you slut, every moment I do that is a moment I'm not sucking cock.
583d95 No.16046888
>>16046884
>I ain't gonna fucking archive the dozen interviews, forum posts and glassdoor entries
ARCHIVE EVERYTHING, JACKASS!!!
d77bf0 No.16046891
>>16046837
>bad shit happened during development of the first game
>lots of people leave after it's done
>the two sequels were also good though
<hurr all the good people left so this 4th game is going to be shit
f72c45 No.16047085
>>16046888
The trips command it, archive or 2a0c22 is a smegma-inhaling faggot who will die knowing his father holds nothing but contempt for him.
a0c6bd No.16047249
>>16042379
I will stop doubting them when the next retro donky kong has krool as main bad guy again.
94de6a No.16048269
>>16045923
>Nintendo might have mandated that Samus's appearance be unified across all titles
That does make a lot of sense. Samus' look without her suit was all over the place, especially in the 2D games. Odd that Hunters didn't seem to adhere to that hairstyle, but does have the zero suit. Still, they did have the time to perfect Samus' look in Prime 3, anime style or not, and I think it's still inferior to Prime 1's look.
0c150a No.16048880
>>16048269
Then what's the explanation for the black haired woman being used a ZS Samus for Jap MZM tv ad? Famous Jap actress or could that not put a blond wig or dye on her?
It's weird that Japan seems to have put a lot of emphasis on playing as Samus without armour in their ads while in the west it was surprise endgame gameplay twist for the player to discover.
f72c45 No.16048920
>>16048880
>Why do waifu games sell better in Japan?
Think long and hard about this anon.
50906d No.16048986
>>16037666
Platinum wants it to happen, and they made that one tease 2 years ago. Half the issue is that the game was heavily reliant on the dual screen and touchpad set up of the Wii U.
f5319c No.16049233
>>16045786
It was the first attempt of translating the Zero Mission design to 3D, before Brawl did it better, of course the transition would not be smooth.
>>16045902
>Prime 1
>pretty
Samus never looked good in any Prime. All of Samus designs in Prime games is peak western ugly female tier.
>>16046116
>sexdoll
What does this even mean. Are you implying that Samus somehow wasn't always a sexdoll? The old games make it clear that she was.
ec5a0b No.16049288
>>16049257
Oh ok I see now, you're completely retarded.
7ade2b No.16049296
Great Ape War Brown Baron dogfighter when?
937918 No.16051119
>>16037641
>there are people still thinking their secret project wasn't Star Fox Grand Prix/Diddy Kong Racing 2
>people forget this is all what they been working on since after Tropical Freeze
937918 No.16051127
>>16041358
stop comparing 3D models from different companies
Ridley is fucking small in Prime compared to other bosses and Samus had 2 models for gameplay and cutscene
also Hayashi is a hack
937918 No.16051129
>>16046116
>Reminder he's been quoted as saying both that he's regarding Samus as his daughter as well as that she has a second mole but only he knows where it is.
let me guess, you read it off a satirical site.
1ad871 No.16051137
>>16044508
Yeah, that's the spice; This is the Studio that got most of Retro's MP1 "Talent"; Retro has been doing fine without them so folks JUST NOW being concerned about most of Prime's staff being gone should concern themselves no further.
Not saying Armature is shit, or even MP1's staff was bad, but these guys obviously aren't the secret sauce.
f72c45 No.16051946
>>16049288
Heil'd, and how can frozen dong be anti-white when all the kongs have white skin themselves?
919f26 No.16052018
Metroid Games Aren’t That Great Anyway
https://archive.fo/QxaeM
7ade2b No.16052037
>>16052018
>Samus Returns sucks
>SotN is better
>I don't like collecting missile upgrades
HOW WILL SUPER METROID RECOVER?
9d97e5 No.16052045
>>16052018
I didn't think journos were capable of clickbaiting without resorting to feminist this or tranny that anymore. I don't know whether to be impressed, or disgusted at his shit taste.
a89ef1 No.16052457
>>16052018
>A Metroidvania game needs to provoke players to want to explore, in my opinion, and this is something that a Metroid game has never once instilled in me.
>If I’m being honest, the one thing I love above else that Metroid has given us is Ridley in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
f5319c No.16053407
>>16052018
Pretty shit bait, but reading in-between the lines of that article the only thing I will remotely agree with is that due to the influx of Metroidvania games Metroid games alone haven't really set the bar for the genre in a while.
Doesn't help that no game has yet to top Super.
1bc08b No.16053923
>>16038186
Even if the original staff return, they may bring obsolete ideas and dementia back with them, for example, Doom The Third.
7bbfb9 No.16054315
>>16045902
I did genuinely liked Prime 1 version of Samus since it stayed to the Super Metroid look before Nintendo decided to give her anime/Brawl look to the Samus we now know. Guess that's the only realistic design i actually liked which is why it would be hard to do now days thanks to the man face they give to all women in games for agenda pushing.
486b62 No.16054473
>>16054315
It's odd, I like how Samus' no-armor model looks in Prime 1 the best, but I like the way the power suit looks in Prime 2 as it's not so "impossibly shiny"
As for Samus Returns, Metroid 2 was THE most linear game in the series until Fusion came along, though it tied into the story of "kill all metroids", skipping them would have been pointless since you'd have to go back anyway since the queen won't spawn until you kill all other metroids.
The counter attack mechanic I feel is a sorely needed technique for Samus; despite all of her armor and abilities, a foe simply being too close suddenly means she's getting the shit kicked out of her, when all other media makes a point of how strong she is or how quick her reflexes are. Since it's a timing thing, it rewards those who's reflexes are up to par, as well as not being necessary to actually beat the game.
0c150a No.16054783
>>16053407
>Doesn't help that no game has yet to top Super.
So what would a new Metroidvania have to do to even top Super? What are the "flaws" of SM that also exist in other Metroidvanias?
7ade2b No.16054825
>>16054783
Dynamic areas (weather, corruption à la Hollow Knight, even just remixed enemy placement) to mix up trekking back and forth
And make it 3D (not 2.5D)
b1a38c No.16054838
>>16037722
>model from 2008 is better than the most recent one
Someone get me out
9244bb No.16054892
>>16054856
Metroid 5 never ever
Just like Super Paper Metroid
0c150a No.16056670
>>16054856
>From Star Fox 2 having a Western programmer,
The SNES Starfox/Super FX chips developer Argonaut is British it was more than just the programmer.
While both programmers Dylan Cuthbert and Giles Goddard went on to live in Japan after SF2 finsihed, with Giles becoming the first westerner to work at Nintendo of Japan, programming things like the Mario face demo in SM64, Wave Race 64, 1080 Snowboarding, etc.
bc1592 No.16057201
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>>16048880
They had used caucasian blondes before. No idea why they changed their minds.
94de6a No.16057641
>>16048880
>Then what's the explanation for the black haired woman being used a ZS Samus for Jap MZM tv ad? Famous Jap actress or could that not put a blond wig or dye on her?
I looked it up, and turns out that she really was a famous jap actress, Chisato Morishita. They could've put a wig on her or dyed her hair, but then they would've changed her look that people know her by
>She contributed a "Play Diary" to the Metroid: Zero Mission Official Site, which was as strategy guide for the first part of Zero Mission and also contributed flyers and standees, both signed by her as speedrun contest
92dac0 No.16057678
Honestly, at this point, what is the purpose of Metroid? You know they aren't going to try anything risky. Except now the world has a million shooters, a million platformers, and all of them want to be dark and mysterious like Super Metroid was.
bc1592 No.16057804
>>16057678
>Why do you persist, Mr. Anderson?
At least Primes have some freedom for more stuff, 2D Metroids must stick to MeteoidVania formula.
I miss CastleVanias btw.
5116e2 No.16057808
>>16057804
The Prime games are just weebshit CoD games. I'd take even the 3DS metroid game over any of the prime ones.
919f26 No.16057823
>>16057808
>I'd take even the 3DS metroid game over any of the prime ones.
Which one?
59afd8 No.16058249
>>16045902
>>16054838
>>16045775
I miss Dirty-Blonde Samus from the first Prime
05da37 No.16058528
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>>16054783
you have to actually think and solve puzzles and be actually good at the gameplay in la-mulana so that automatically loses in any journos eyes.
6b64bf No.16058531
>>16058528
TIME FOR ARCHAEOLOGY
919d9f No.16058555
>>16058249
She looks like a tranny you sick fuck.
9d97e5 No.16058627
>>16058555
Have you ever seen a real tranny, anon? They wish they looked like that, because that would mean not looking like a horribly disfigured beta male in a wig and slathered in makeup that they hope will distract you from their 5 o'clock shadow. If anything, she looks like a young Sandra Bullock with wider eyes and blonde hair.
On a related note, I had to look up her face for that comparison and saw pictures of what she looks like now. She really has not aged well.
7ade2b No.16058634
>>16058627
Sanda Bullock definitely looks like a tranny now.
9d97e5 No.16058646
>>16058634
She really does. It's concerning. What the fuck does Hollywood do to these women, that they go in at least marginally attractive and come out looking like men?
7ade2b No.16058676
>>16058646
Unnatural body modification always turns people into ghouls. Stupid whores think they can live together by injecting fucking bubonic plague into their faces.
It reminds me of an article I saw about Instagram narcissists developing "body dysmorphia" because they don't have gaussian blur applied to their mirrors.
inb4 >3dpd mgtows
7ade2b No.16058678
f75c7c No.16058688
Look, I love skintight suits as much as anybody, but if you want to fuck Samus in her zero suit over her varia suit then you have the Big Gay.
94de6a No.16060814
>>16058688
>if you want to fuck Samus in her zero suit over her varia suit then you have the Big Gay
So…how WOULD you do her while she wears the Varia suit? Use a can opener?
90e3ae No.16060851
>>16060814
Technology is probably advanced enough in-universe that you could bootleg a double haptic feedback masturbator.
a84ec4 No.16060979
>>16058688
That reminds me. I hope they actually do other outfits because we've had the zero suit for her since zero mission. She had other outfits during her downtime before zero suit was introduced and I wish they'd go back and make new ones. Would also like some progress past the the last game in the timeline which I think was fusion. I'm doubtful they'll do either but I can hope someday.
833fd7 No.16061314
>>16045775
Prime > Hunters > Other M > Prime 3 > Prime 2
f5319c No.16061623
>>16054783
>>16054825
How would you really do weather? Most of Metroid take place in caverns.
Though I guess you could still find ways for locations to change.
>>16058555
Tranny is probably too far, but it's probably the most generic Samus' has ever looked, there is nothing remotely interesting or distinguishing about it, and that's saying something since her entire design is just being a blondie blonde since Super.
Not exactly her ugliest though, while one of the most ugly Prime 2 still beats it out slightly due to the pure uncanny valley. Honestly all the Prime games really shows to me that Retro Studios are great with environments but terrible with people designs and full of pure western shit we are starting to really see heavily now.
fd53e8 No.16068567
I'm not sure if their "standards" are to be trusted, considering Federaton Force passed them.
e157ac No.16071827
>>16057678
To appease screaming fans.
Making a Metroid map engaging, interesting and new takes a lot of time, development and perhaps skills not easily accessible to Nintendo now.
0c150a No.16073869
>>16061623
>How would you really do weather? Most of Metroid take place in caverns.
>Though I guess you could still find ways for locations to change.
That Anon might have been thinking of 3D Metroidvania like Metroid Prime style with more open (ceiling) areas. Since that takes place on alien worlds there could be weather like vision obscuring dust clouds, electrical storm activity that slowly drains you health
Not having distinct alien weather (and gravity) for each planet in MP3:C could have made each exploring each planet feel even more unique.
With 2D Metroidvania being underground, you could have effects like fog, tides that cause water (or acid) to fill a room more (which could be great timing for backtracking after getting a super jump or power grip upgrade). With a day/night cycle you could have rooms that get an increase in ice making platforms more slippery or certain creatures/plants may retreat or get stronger depending on the time of day/night
>>16068567
FF would have gotten a lot less flak if a normal Metroid game had been announced alongside or before it and a possible name change.
Back in 2005 when Metroid Prime Pinball was announced at the height of Metroid's return, the only thing people worried about was the fact it was made the Mario Pinball Land devs which was valid point since that had gotten mixed reviews (which the devs took into consideration to make MPP less annoying and more beginner friendly).
In recent years, there's Star Fox Zero and Star Fox Guard, released simultaneously and no one fucking complained about Guard's existence but Zero's content/controls probably overshadowed it.