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Ironically, I had this on when your thread popped up

>>15954562

I've never heard of this rumour.

>>15954562

Where did you hear that?

Probably not. Japs are more likely to passive aggressively pretend the better western game doesn't count.

>>15954569

Not really. No OP there was never any proof to that rumor that was literally started by goons on twitter.

Oh good I was worried.

>>15954567

YouTube

>>15954631

Show us.

>>15954562

It wouldn't surprise me.

>>15954562

>So is it true that Sonic Team got so butthurt that this did so well compared to their games they told Sega to never hire this team again?

Probably not.

Considering the dude was then contracted to help out with the original games to make them look better for the genesis collection, I think this is a bogus rumor. Stop listening to people on YouTube.

>>15954562

They should fire the head of sonic team and put the autist that did Sonic Mania in charge, because it actually turned out to be a fun game, something Sonic Team hasn't accomplished since SA2.

>>15954802

Nah, Sonic Team is great when they aren't making Sonic games. There's a lot of problems with the team, direction doesn't seem to be one of them but Nintendo keeps hiring all of their developers to make 3D Mario games.

>>15954809

That's old Sonic Team who left SEGA. New Sonic Team is just shit all around.

Actually, what happened was a concession where Christian Whitehead was forced to retcon Mania into technically never happening. (Superficially it's literally "Coma Theory" tier bullshit) and it barely matters anyhow because of how fundamentally broken Forces' story is.

>>15954823

Forces is corporate diarrhea. Sonic Mania is a labor of love. It really shows.

>>15954822

PPT was new sonic team. Make a real argument.

>>15954833

Honestly, I really only think Forces existed because Generations on all systems wasn't set up for DLC expansions (The only checks in the game itself at all is a flag to enable the Casino Night pinball machine) and that they wanted to do a boost game with DLC

>>15954565

That's not ironic at all. That's coincidental.

Nobody who works at Sonic Team actually wants to be working on Sonic games. The games don't suck because the team is trying their best but are talentless hacks. They're creative bankrupt and unmotivated because they're shackled to a franchise that died years ago, but furries and autists won't stop throwing money at Sega for new titles, so it's one of the few reliably profitable series Sega still has to depend on.

If anything, Sonic Team hates the Sonic Mania devs because it raised the bar of expectation on a franchise they'd hoped interest in would wither and die. Mania just doomed them to another 15~20 years of back to back Sonic development.

>>15956781

>horsefucker

Get out.

>>15956555

Yeah, no. Iizuka was one of bigger driving forces at SEGA behind making Mania what it was. Kazuyuki Hoshino, an incredibly important artist and creative director for the Sonic franchise, worked with Tom Fry for Mania. The problem is that most of the grunt devs keep getting switched out, and Sonic Team has less and less experienced people to work on the games. If you compare the Forces credits to previous titles, the level designers have barely worked on more than a few Sonic games, and not even level design for those. It sounds more like you're projecting your own opinion of the franchise onto the devs and assuming they feel the same as you do.

>>15956831

Not to mention the producer of Forces directed both Samba De Amigo, Billy Hatcher, and Rhythm Thief & the Emperor's Treasure. Sega and Sonic Team just can't get 3D Sonic right. Might be the reliance on Havok from doing Classic Sonic justice, too.

>>15956872

*Meant to include that he directed 06 as well, but that was after he was filling in for someone else (Secret Rings' director) part way through development.

>>15956831

I had thought that internal loathing that Sonic Team had for Sonic games was well known, and yes - the turnover rate is high. Those who are stuck there working on those games because they are too entrenched and have very little prospects elsewise in the industry hate Sonic for sapping their funding and preventing any sort of creative release. Those who can get out, do, leaving inexperienced doe-eyed fresh hires excited to work for Sega. Their enthusiasm is quickly diminished not just by the pallor that hangs over the studio by some of the old-timers, but by not being able to express themselves creatively or produce the kind of games they want. They realize it's a dead-end job and get out while they can. This is why you needed someone from the outside, and a fan, to inject any sort of creativity and passion into the Sonic franchise.

>After Sega had restructured itself to re-integrate external development houses like Smilebit and AM2 back in to the main Sega offices, Sonic Team was kept external strictly as a sweatshop to milk the Sonic cashcow, assembly-line style. Sega of Japan had intended NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams as a brief rest from the never-ending onslaught of Sonic game after Sonic game. In Ben’s own words: “There’s no doubt that Sonic Team have lost their quality touch. They are worse than talentless: they are without passion. Bored, weary, closed-minded and out of touch with any sense of what makes games good anymore.” Quite simply put, after making so many of them, Sonic Team is tired of Sonic games

Article is 10 years old, but so far as I know, very little has changed. Sega certainly has little reason to reform them, because as bad as they are, Sonic games still sell - it keeps the franchise fresh in people's minds, and keeps product tie-ins viable.

http://www.tssznews.com/2009/01/05/the-blog-sega-doesnt-want-you-to-read/

>>15956892

The current SEGA PR guy (Aaron Webber) joked that it was fake on the ofiicial but now defunct forums long ago. Though it does seem like they would rather be stuck doing anything else. Like Iizuka and NiGHTS.

>>15956796

>>15956900

What?

>>15956929

>Aaron Webber

Aaron Webber lies more than Todd Howard, and he doesn't say a fucking word that isn't approved by Sega corporate. which is his job I wouldn't trust a word out of his mouth after the way he handled PR and Community management for Phantasy Star Universe.

>>15956990

What the fuck does sonic have to do with ponies?

>>15957012

Then what the fuck are you fags sperging over?

What about that reaction image relates to ponies at all?

This just mindfucked me into oblivion somehow

>>15957030

you missed a post or a reply. start here.

>>15956781

>>15956781

One of you closet cloppers post the original thing so I can know exactly what you're pretending to not know about

>>15957034

You're talking about sanic's face, but I don't see anything related to ponies.

I really need to know because I've used that same image multiple times and it might explain some of the responses I got.

>>15956944

What happened with Phantasy Star Universe?

>>15957096

No big specific scandals - but basically, it was operated and maintained by Sega of America, but all content and updates were solely under the discretion of Sega of Japan. As usual, SoJ didn't give the slightest fuck about anything outside of Japan. Content updates kept missing deadlines, slipping further and further behind. Eventually it got to the point where the promised 1:1 update was changed to "different but equal" - so that they could just implement content updates as they came in… if they came in. Towards the end of the game's life, there were tons of content patches missing and SoA was left trying to replicate their own patches and event planning (if they got permission to do so) out of existing assets in the game. Major end-game unique weapons were just given basic weapon models. Not long after that - all updates just ceased and the game coasted until shutdown. Still charging 8.99 a month, and still unable to put on a single event in… shit, I think the entire game's history, without major sever outages that would take days or weeks to repair.

I might be exaggering a bit on Aaron Webber… he's not a pathological liar like Todd. He may even be a decent guy for all I know. But he was on a tight leash, in regards to what he could and couldn't say and how he could or couldn't say it - all the while the community was getting shit on by SoJ and laughed at. So what I said still stands, just consider it more a circumstance of his position and I'm killing the messenger because the message writer is half a globe away and international shipping costs on mailbombs is out of my pricerange.

>>15957136

I only ever saw the cartoon everyone made youtube poops out of.

tamers' videos are worth watching though, the man is an autistic comedy god

>>15957103

I hope you don't have that webm about the jews set to a song about Discord.

It would be funny if true but doubtful. Unless they have a tradition of bad Sonic games that they must adhere to.

>>15957027

I want to FUCK(fuck) that smug hog.

>>15962708

I would make that Hedgehog walk funny for a months.

I'd break her legs

>>15962002

There's actually an active effort to archive all the videos on Discard. It's probably going to take fucking forever for all the SU episodes to be uploaded though.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp_JnQg6SPItgtaqZEncP-w

beeupyou's got a few archived videos too.

Literally the only issue with 3D Sonic games is that Sega never gives them enough time to iron out the kinks before release. If they were smart they'd totally separate Classic and Modern Sonic into two canons (they basically already did in Forces by saying Classic is from another dimension) and from there have the Modern games on a 3-4 year dev cycle with Classic games getting half that time; and simply alternate their releases.

That should give both teams ample time to make good shit and pump out enough games to keep interest in the series from fading. Too bad Sega are fucking retards and will never do this though.

>>15963152

HE HAS NO SPEED

>>15965584

Only in the fan game that's very hilariously titled "Eggman Hates Furries," though it's Chaos Emeralds instead of nanomachines.