/v/ - Video Games

>>15944092

Might be a good idea. It might allow Sonic Team to learn what made the formula loved to begin with. Remember that the Sonic Team devs that made the Adventure Saga aren't part of the current Team.

I don't want Sonic Adventure 3, I just fucking want that gameplay back we lost because of 06.

>>15944092

OH GOD NO.

>>15944092

Id rather a 10$ chao garden game

>>15944141

i'm assuming if adventure get's remade, so does adventure 2

OPEN YOUR HEART

>>15944092

Man Sonic Team really is creatively bankrupt at this point. All people really wants are 3D representations of the Sonic Rush games. For some reason Sonic Team just can't seem to get this through their heads. They keep trying to push the same clunky 3D action platformer garbage that never worked in the first place. Sonic Adventure was okay but they split the exploration aspect of Sonic out of the actual action stages and into boring ugly Hub worlds. And well Sonic Boom as a TV show was entertaining I don't think they ever put out a decent game that capitalized on that property.

>>15944141

>THUNDER, RAIN, AND LIGHTING

>DANGER, WATER RISING

IT'S SUCH A BAAB!

>>15944157

Why did you have to fucking remind me.

>>15944159

That's the point, this is a remake for one of the few good ones.

Guaranteed to be shit if it happens. Sonic Adventure was a product of its time, there's no way to recapture its cheesy rock vibes today.

I mean, I feel like this is the first step to sonic getting back on track. Maybe. If they really look at this, and why Sonic Mania worked, then worked their way up from there, using solid, tested game ideas, then yeah, we could eventually see something decent from the sonic team.

The problem here, is, as others have stated, that the company is poorly managed. They wouldn't ever go for something so financially risky as spending time having the dev team learn fundamentals.

Really, they just need to wholesale steal THIS for a good sonic game. Open-World Sonic game sounds like a Meme, but honestly… Just look at it:

https://mega.nz/#!bdtByBRB!QENQpUU2fzjYSs79s0Y0lR5Zx1Tt5CI6v3f-buPsUo4

>>15944092

That would require Sonic Team to have a budget again. And now that Mania proved to Sega that you can make a highly successful Sonic game on a shoestring budget, that's not happening anytime soon.

And that's a good thing! Because they'd just turn it into Modern Sonic corridor boosting trash anyway. Not that SA1 was some pinnacle of game design that would be difficult to top in a remake, mind you, but I'd take that over "hold X to win" shit.

>>15944141

>They might also dumb down the story for kids because Sonic Team's now made up of a bunch of hacks who can't write to save their lives and add shitty jokes that don't land.

I hate "DUDE BALDY MCNOSEHAIR" tier dialogue as much as the next guy, but can we please stop pretending that SA1 and 2 had some kind of Shakespearean writing? Up until the new writers started in Colors, Sonic Team's writing was shat on all the time, even by fans. This is the same type of historical revisionism I see by the fags who cry about Roger Craig Smith and pine for the days of Jason Griffith and his goofy ass performances.

>>15944141

>Sonic Team's now made up of a bunch of hacks who can't write to save their lives

Now? It was always cringeworthy when they started adding story to Sonic games.

Yeah I'd be okay with that.

Just in time to implement Vision-Free Mode for all those poor blind people

by law

>>15944211

Adventure 1 wasn't remotely cringy, though.

>>15944151

>All people really wants are 3D representations of the Sonic Rush games.

No. People want a mixture of Boost games and 2D games like the genesis era, with a few looking towards an adventure type game.

Although I guess the argument could be made that people would like another "Rush/Advance" title, but that goes without really saying doesn't it?

>>15944223

OH YEAH

THIS IS HAPPENING

Sonic Team sucks dick you retard, give it to the Mania fags

>>15944163

>good

Not gonna lie to you chief. While I still enjoy Sonic Adventure from time to time, it ain't a good game.

>>15944229

The Sonic Rush games for the most part are Tootsie even though they use 3D models. They're basically the successor to the GBA games.

>>15944223

>multicolored talking animals

>ever not cringy

>>15944246

It is a good game. I'm sorry /v/ forced you to think a game is either 10/10 or shit. Sonic adventure has problems but it is a good game. It's a 8.5/10.

>>15944164

True. I think that's the reason I can forgive how mediocre the games actually are: they really capture the essence of 90's butt rock with it's music, but it gives it actual character, which most games today lack

>>15944253

That's a good point, Sonic games are at their best when nobody talks. Just like Mario…

>>15944249

Yeah it's four different separations there are essentially

Genesis-Like titles

Adventure Games

Advance/Rush titles

and Boost

>>15944092

>>15944141

Both of you are wrong, the real main song of SA is

HERE I COME

ROUGHER THAN THE REST OF THEM

>>15944151

>3D representations of the Sonic Rush

Which are just the boost games. In fact, those are better

>>15944255

Oh okay, I guess you won't appreciate my unbiased opinions on it then;

>Shitty collision detection, causing Sonic to trip on corners or edges

>Junk voice acting because actors were paid pennies

>Awkward cutscenes that confuse the tone of the plot

>Clearly ideas were thrown at the wall for the adventure hubs because no one at Sonic Team knew how to make them work

>Character animations just as awkward as the voices

>A lot of the levels can be skipped by taking giant leaps of faith.

I can't believe I have to stoop to 2011 levels to say this to you, but take the rose-tinted goggles off.

>>15944274

>A lot of the levels can be skipped by taking giant leaps of faith.

<Features for Time Trials and replayability are bad game design

>Eggman enlisted the help of some mystical superpowered slime monster that powers up from absorbing the Chaos Emeralds and we need to get them before he does

>this takes them across the world searching for them and giving us all the stages we love while giving an actual simple, but serious enough threat especially once you see him completely flood Station Square in less than a minute

>none of this is pretentious shit that acts like it's some epic of a rampaging god, literally just Sonic stopping a new threat Eggman has his hands on

>>15944255

I'd say 7 at most. Knuckles wasn't completely terrible and definitely better than SA2. The other shit drags it down way too much. Sonic on his own is just great stuff that I enjoyed more than again, SA2.

>>15944274

I wont disagree. However these don't make it a bad game.

>Junk voice acting

Outside of Metal Gear almost every game had voice acting about this bad.

>Awkard cutscenes

See above

>Clearly ideas were thrown at the wally

See above

>Character animation

See above

>>15944273

>implying that's the main theme

I got out my map and chose a place I wanted to go to (packed up my stuff, set out for adventure…)

I know that your lucky color is that cool shade of blue (won't mind painting myself blue for you…)

I guess I'm so easy to understand

I just do whatever comes to me naturally

>>15944286

Last I checked, there are no "second paths" in Sonic Adventure. Making big, floaty jumps with the Homing Attack to skip large chunks of the level doesn't mean it's intended game design.

>>15944284

Shit voice acting had it's own charm back then. Now I wish it would return just to kill any pretentious movie wannabe shit.

>>15944299

I agree, Ryan Drummond is better than the voice of Chris Redfield.

>>15944277

>>Mania wasn't good

It's not a bad Sonic game, but they played it way too safe. A lot of the time, Sonic Team throws in strange plots and ideas that they don't quite fully explore. It's like they cover their eyes when they take shots.

>>15944302

>Chao Garden

Fans have been asking for this in later games for years. You really think they'll go back and do it again?

>>15944300

Does anyone miss Jason Griffith?

He may be shit at first, but he's gotten good by Unleashed which is his last game interestingly.

>>15944298

That's like saying bouncing off an object in marble blast to get to the goal faster is invalid play. Pretty sure back then there were rankings online on the dreamcast to compete for.

>>15944229

Nobody likes boost anymore though; because each new game that features it gimps it and the level design needed to make it fun more and more. Most people just want Genesis styled Classic Sonic and maybe Sonic Adventure 3.

>>15944261

See >>15944191 and my embed. Then look up Sonic Utopia. There are a SHIT LOAD of fun 3D fan games/tech demos floating around out there.

All in all a SA1 has extreme potential to totally turn the series around in a completely positive light if they actually gave a fuck. That is the key here. Sonic Team just doesn't fucking care because they know full well whatever they make no matter how buggy, unfinished and shit it is is guaranteed 100% to sell 1-1.5 million copies. In my opinion the best thing Sonic Team could do, is to go ahead with this remake and make it faithful as can be done while giving it a modern polish. No boost, no wisps, no tacked on Classic Sonic or OC. If they can pull this off then they have two things: A smash hit nostalgia grab game and a solid foundation for all future titles. After this I would go even further and make this serve as a hard reboot for the 3D series. Then have two separate Sonic series: Classic Sonic ran by Christian Whitehead and his droogs and Modern Sonic ran by Sonic Team. And you NEVER EVER EVER crossover the two series EVER from this point forward. I think that would please just about everyone.

>>15944302

If they fuck up Sonic Adventure, the ensuing shitstorm of fans vs shit developers and retarded cuck bloggers on Twitter will make DmC look like nothing, mark my words. The full force of Sonic's long awaited awakened autism will be unleashed and directed at game journoshits and anti-consumer faggotry.

>>15944319

Engine breaks are fine, when they take skill to pull off. I don't have to tell you that Super Metroid was pioneered for that. But Sonic Adventure makes it way too easy, to the point it's not challenging at all.

>>15944323

Problem with Sonic Team is that they always want to experiment on gameplay instead of going what works. The SA remakes may be good and sell well, but then they go back to doing dumb experimental gameplay in future installments.

>>15944319

Holy shit thanks anon I've got to find a copy of marble blast to play again

>>15944328

YEAH

FUCKING

RIGHT

this fanbase is still around ,eyes bright and shining, asking for more after '06 and Unleashed. Shit not even unfinished Forces could slam the thought of "gee… maybe sonic team isn't worth a purchase". There is nothing that can stop them from actually buying a game. They are on the tier of "gotta have my batman" fanbase.

>>15944229

>People want boost games

speak for yourself faggot

>>15944193

>but can we please stop pretending that SA1 and 2 had some kind of Shakespearean writing

No one ever said it was shakespearean, but they were fun anime stories. Which is what Sonic stories should be, none of this SatAM tier writing. Also replace Craig, he sounds like a 40 year old soccer dad rather than a cocky free living teenager.

>>15944345

Look man I'm not gonna pretend like people didn't like Unleashed (Day), Colors, and Generations.

Give us Sonic Adventure 3 with the different gameplay styles for each character. I personally had an idea for Rouge to go full Splinter Cell/Metal Gear, but without guns. Why not let her walk on ceilings, and knock out enemies with a perfume spray/EMP patcher?

Shadow could be a third-person over-the-shoulder shooter. Maybe even squad-based like Mass Effect? That Chaos Control could come in handy.

>>15944344

You don't understand, if they fuck up Adventure 3 then it'll be even worse than 06. It's like Kingdom Hearts at this point.

>>15944317

Not only was it introduced in Sonic Adventure, but it was it was the only fun you could have away from the story and is regarded as one of the best components of the Adventure series. Not including it would be straight up foolish. Plus, autists like myself need something to put hope in before inevitable disappointment.

>>15944328

Sonic Team would be better off pulling what they did with Mania by just funding a group of militant fans to do the work for them.

>>15944361

>Not including it would be straight up foolish.

It was foolish of them to abandon it for so long to begin with.

>>15944361

>straight up foolish

Anon, look at what timeline we're in. Corporations care nothing for what the consumer wants.

>>15944345

>No one ever said it was shakespearean, but they were fun anime stories. Which is what Sonic stories should be, none of this SatAM tier writing.

Nigger, the Adventure games were SATAM tier albeit edgier.

>fun anime stories

SA2 gets fucking dark not to mention fucking illogical. It's anime, but it ain't fucking "fun". And then there's SA1's tales of the coming apocalypse, not to mention Gamma's whole fucking suicide mission.

>>15944372

but '06 was Shadow 2

>>15944372

Sadly it was, yes. They knew it was shit, so they didn't call it that because they didn't want to tarnish the subtitle.

>>15944317

Cut Chao Garden after actually going through with this and you'll immediately give that dumpster fire a worse reputation than the blackpilling about Pokemon remakes ever since orashit.

>>15944364

Apparently, it was retired because they literally lost the guy who made the original entire engine before he vanished off the face of the Earth. It's like fucking Shinichi Shimomura tragically disappearing without a trace after Kirby 64 and his beloved "Dark Matter trilogy". I swear the cosmos are fucking with us and that ironically gives me even more pessimism about any shit in general.

>>15944387

>Knuckles bumblefucking his way into the main plot of SA2 isn't fun as hell

I keep forgetting that Knuckles only gets involved in the plot through sheer coincidence. He's in a fucking weird ass spooky mine and then he comes out of a random sewer manhole that just happens to lead exactly to where Tails and Amy are.

Also what's with people liking chaos garden so damn much? it's the worst part about sonic adventure.

>>15944400

You seem to have the wrongthink mindset that I don't want the fucking Chao Garden. I'm livid that they refuse to continue work on it, whether or not the lead developer for A-Life doesn't allow them to.

>>15944399

I replayed it on my PC and Xboner

I honestly agree with you, but with that said I would like to see a drift feature, drop dash and dash/air dash move integrated into a potential SA3. The main issue is that the games focus too much on kids rather than making good games.

>>15944404

It was a nice break from the action, and got people addicted easily. Only problem I have with it is the waiting. You have to sit there with the game up for 4 hours before your Chao starts to evolve. Rinse and repeat until you can rebirth them.

>>15944399

>>15944399 (checked)

Literally all they have to do is fix some collision detection and remove Big or make him optional.

>>15944421

Big shouldn't have to scout out different levels just to go fishing. Give him the SEGA Bass Pro treatment if you wanna go that route.

>>15944372

People only say this because '06 has hub worlds. It's only as much SA3 as Heroes and Shadow were.

>>15944438

>I-It operates like the adventure games

Yes, and Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep plays like a Kingdom Hearts game.

>>15944427

I'm honestly surprised they didn't make the original Dreamcast release compatible with the Bass Pro controller, since that's the only reason I can think of as to why Big was included. Not to mention you can easily write Big out of the story and nothing would change since he doesn't interact with the other characters in any meaningful way.

>>15944441

That's a bad example since BBS is very much canon to the main story. Are you going to stop bothering me?

>>15944414

my biggest problem with it was teh action button implementation. They should have disabled your attack on one of the buttons so that it would be dedicated to interacting with the chao instead of spindashing them

>>15944450

Only if you have sex with me

>>15944403

They never explained what the fuck Pumpkin Hill or any other spooky area was doing in Sonic's world to begin with.

>>15944421

What if they completely revamped the gameplay and made it an overdramatic tug of war like with Cup Noodle XV except with actual crazy shit from Sonic like avoiding subs because Eggman wants Froggy?

>>15944441

>BBS and DDD are just as much like KH and KH2 as 06 is like Adventure

Am I seriously fucking reading this.

>>15944316

Best song out there, you can hear the synths coming out just like some Phantasy Star Online songs. I loved that vibe being in Sonic because it fit so well. But don't forget Mechanical Resonance's song.

>>15944452

Exactly. I don't see the benefits of "disciplining" them whatsoever. It just makes their lifespan drop like an anvil, and they start to hate you.

>>15944323

Heh, I recognized this song instantly and almost forgot it was from Ys I.

>>15944463

>They never explained what the fuck Pumpkin Hill or any other spooky area was doing in Sonic's world to begin with.

That's where the emerald was, what more explanation do you need?

>>15944465

pretty much, there really was no need for it.

>>15944473

There are a lot of disgruntled Sonic fans out there despite this. That's why everyone's so eager to do their own games, and Sega encourages this for some odd reason. Why they think going against the grain is a good idea is beyond me. You can still have Nintendo quality while still listening to your consumers.

>>15944484

Well Sonic Team has been trying to copy Mario for a while now. It's why it's so aggravating.

>>15944463

>They never explained what the fuck Pumpkin Hill or any other spooky area was doing in Sonic's world to begin with.

Sonic's world doesn't make sense to begin with. Egypt is apparently an hour-long drive from San Francisco, sometimes the cities are super high tech and sometimes they aren't, and apparently once Eggman took over humans ceased to exist.

>be 12 on Christmas day

>get Dreamcast and a few games including Sonic Adventure

>sit on bedroom floor and play around in Casinopolis's sewers

>also got a football game that I wasn't sure I was gonna play, but I did anyway

>had fun

>>15944518

I could ask you the same thing.

>>15944524

I don't know. That's why I'm saying a botched remake isn't gonna hurt them.

>>15944538

YIFF BEGONE

>>15944545

Yiff is what keeps us alive

>>15944558

>>15944554

IT BEGINS

>>15944559

>playing Sonic games

>denying being a furry

Okay champ.

Bat tits confirmed then?

rolling!

>>15944572

>implying Sonic would still exist if it wasn't for autistic westerners.

>>15944572

>Implying furries would exist if it wasn't for Sanic

>>15944581

Aw fuck I forgot all about this guys OCs. Do you have the rest of them?

>>15944555

That would actually be rad as fuck.

>>15944578

>implying there are only furries in the West

Wasn't there some furry app that showed a shit ton of them in the Middle East?

>>15944580

You can't blame bat tits for creating furries, they have been around since before SA.

>>15944581

cute girls with hand puppets are my fetish.

>>15944579

>paizuri

nah she's for fugging and having kids with

>>15944591

Sonic's popularity is the biggest in the West, especially in Britbongistan.

>>15944584

I might've saved some on my laptop. Let me check.

>>15944593

Just cute girls with puppets, or do you get off to the puppets sucking cock?

>>15944606

Both.

>>15944505

My taste in wanting Trance has come again, been quite a while since.

>Remake

>This means they will redo all of the voice lines with the new actors

That's going to suck so they'll have to do exceptionally well in other areas to make up for it.

>>15944555

>>15944581

If you could get it working, imagine a side-game like Pokemon Bank or whatever but not shit where your gameplay time and actions in various Sonic games transferred to your Chao garden. Every ring you get goes into your bank. It can't count enemies you've killed, but based on your ranking it could reward you with drives and animals (based on the stage). Imagine trying to get an S rank because you're grinding for a rare animal that you only get for S-Ranking that stage.

You could even introduce more animals, toys, lessons, and characters to interact with the Chao with each new Sonic game.

And of course, you could buy stuff outright if you don't want to grind.

>>15944538

i hope they don't, her titty physics were lame and need more squish and bounce. you had to exploit a glitch in the neutral garden to get them to go anime tier crazy

>>15944404

Didn't you have a Tamagotchi as a kid? It's like that but better.

As an aside, clips have been passing around of this recently. The best parts come in the second video.

>>15944687

>>15944662

this is not top gun

>>15944684

I wish sonic team were actually that creative

>>15944706

There's been plenty of online vids suggesting this game or that would be good inspiration (basically 3D pinball to keep the momentum), but the sad part is, most of the characters play-styles are crap.

Tails is just another version of Sonic which can be great since you have to work out what shortcuts you have, Knuckle's treasure hunting is arduous, you don't need the extra time on Gamma's stages so you don't need to shoot, Amy's stages don't really have good puzzle solving or stealth, and Big's stages are awful even if you are a fishing fan.

So you've got to remake the game, yet still keep some element of the old because if you don't old fans will make bad PR for you. Top that off with not knowing how to make a 3D Sonic that isn't just holding down the boost button (not to mention the fucking travesty Forces was as a recent show of their talent) and it was gonna be a disaster before conception. The whole thing would need a new team with lots of freedom and a whole new look at how to make a 3D Sonic game. You may even need to abandon/heavily rework other characters stages. You have to fix 5 broken wheels, while retards are begging for you to use bits of those wheels even though they're rotten.

Or fuck- why remake it in 3D? Remake it in 2D Sonic Mania style. Tell story without visuals and what-not, or do the optional cut-scene mode like Freedom Planet did (even though that looked fuck awful with voices coming out of 16-bits). You've got a more stable team with Whitehead.

Maybe if we're lucky the Chao will replace the Wisps as power-ups or something. though if they ever did crack the formula, I'm unironically looking forward to a Shadow the Hedgehog remake where they abandon the multiple routes, make it good, and embrace the memes to make the fact it's edgy part of the joke.

>>15944684

bleeding from all that edge.

I still play the Dreamcast original and am actually letting a chao do its thing in a VMU as I type this.

>>15944792

About time.

>>15944755

>Completely mutilate it to satisfy me, someone who was never interested to begin with

Yeah that sure did work out with the classic games, didn't it? You enjoying Sonic 4?

>>15944811

Sonic 4 was a swing and a miss.

>>15944690

Though "funny" its just Weimar in depth of comedy. Description points to VA's twitter and she clearly is a lesbian. Debased and degraded that's all that comedy is. Not to mention eggman just said "twitter can't even get nazi's off of their site" as a burn.

>The post above my post

That's getting deleted …………

>>15944813

>>15944818

>>15944821

don't stop now m8

>>15944877

>muh split

>>15944755

You have extremely shitty taste.

>>15944909

A game with these in it would be the best shit ever.

>>15944909

>Gothic Club Police

If anything, you gotta admit that making a consistent series of art-designs based mainly on the most ridiculous combination of fetishes and weapons is an oddly admirable task

>>15944909

God I love me some improvised/unconventional weaponry.

>>15944909

As much autism as we get because of the few female sonic characters, and the unholy hell of furfags obsessing over them… I have to say that Sonic, as a series, would really benefit from having its words populated with characters that all draw from the same design philosophy, instead of putting Sonic awkwardly contrasted against normal, mundane as fuck cities full of nondescript humans and businessmen.

>>15945162

what happened to the IDW threads?

>>15945096

>Where's my frog

oh fuck I read that in his voice, kek.

>>15945164

>TORnigger can only shitpost and has awful taste

Typical.

>>15944372

Pretty sure they said or implied that Sonic Unleashed was Adventures 3.

>>15945301

After the bad press Sonic 06 got they'd try to say anything was SA3 instead.

>>15945375

I'll choose the Spin dash over boost any day of the week. But this mod is even more impressive then that one.

basically mixing Adventure and boost for Sonic.

After Forces, fuck no.

I think they're still over at >>>/fast/

>>15945642

Meant for

>>15945193

>>15945301

It started out as Adventure 3, but changed its name in development after becoming too different from them.

>>15944092

>Translated from jewish to human: "we have absolutely nothing, no new ideas, no concepts, not a sliver of creativity left - so we gonna destroy some more culture from the past to satisfy our greed and hide our past crime spree by keeping it going with another money making scheme"

~Translation done by Common Sense

Is Sonique the Hedgewhore gonna be trans in the remake?

>>15944909

https://www.deviantart.com/skyshek/journal/Fan-and-Official-Sonic-Girl-Super-Arms-Project-504819667

https://www.deviantart.com/skyshek/journal/Fan-and-Official-Sonic-Girl-Super-Arms-Project-2-568793859

>>15944092

no chao garden, no buy

>>15945889

>those references to sonic adventure 2 and shadow the hEDGEhog

could be good if it's mainly polishing the game

The game had solid roots but the way it came out just needed so much more

>>15944141

what about?

Can you feel the sunshine?

Does it brighten up your day?

Don't you feel that sometimes

You just need to run away?

>>15946475

Despite the cringe-worthy publicity, the game itself is pretty good. Just don't buy it. You don't buy games, do you, anon?

>>15946514

Luigi dabs. That was enough to make me want to kill someone, so no I sure as fuck don't buy games.

>>15944298

>using the character's intended abilities to play the game better isn't intended

>>15944690

>>15944687

>two dudes having fun voice acting sonic adventure

<one of those dudes is a drag queen and delusional enough to think cutting off his penis makes him a girl.

By itself that genuenly looks entertaining in and of itself but I can't enable a mentally ill tranny. Why are so many "voice actors" and cartoonist delusional faggots?

in and of itself

I thought i deleted that line

>>15946555

>Why are so many "voice actors" and cartoonist delusional faggots?

think about it, professional pretenders

>>15944310

> they played it way too safe.

That's because they didn't want this game completely upstaging their newest abortion, so Sonic Team had a bunch of stipulations placed on the game.

>>15944191

Sonic Utopia has the most potential I think.

>>15946902

>unity

>frame rate issues

>controls are default unity kb/m & game-pad garbage so it's really easy to fuck them up if you try to rebind anything

Utopia had potential but it's also needs alot of work. Sonic Islands also has alot of potential but it suffers from many of the same issues that Utopia suffers from being that it's also a Unity build.

>>15947119

things get tangled during a rough yiffing

Why are you deleting autism? You don't want people to point and laugh?

>>15947220

sorry

thought it was some kind of fetish shit

>>15944246

nah, sonic adventure 1 is good, the 2 is horrible though.

The only issue with SA1 is the camera. and facial animation ..meming before heavy rain 500% animation's meme

and TAS of this game are hillarious

>>15947216

>bat

>horse hooves

furries need to be exterminated.

>>15946997

>Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles AVG FPS 30-60

Wrong it mealy is capable of 60fps but the genesis has awful screen flickering and slowdown.

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?32151-List-of-games-that-don-t-run-at-60fps

<<15947233

>bo of /tv/ gets his dick sucked by tranny bo of /leftypol/

>/tv/ spams drawing implying Mark is in a relationship with tranny bo of /leftypol/

wast of dubs

>>15947265

I mean, I appreciate the Bayonetta approach, there's just a lot of edge and needless accessories in all of these designs.

Apparently these are all designs for a zombie apocalypse AU.

>>15947271

Apparently English isn't this artist's first language either, but he clearly has some mechanical engineering knowledge.

>>15947265

>hooves

They're high heels you stupid faggot.

>>15947271

yep.

>>15947309

I wish he would make the designs more sensible. He's got good ideas, just they're often hit-or-miss.

Also before I forget, here's source;

https://www.deviantart.com/skyshek/journal/Fan-and-Official-Sonic-Girl-Super-Arms-Project-504819667

>>15947278

>>>/tv/

>>15944159

>>15944092

>>15944141

>>15944538

>If they remake SA2 as well do you think they'll keep Rouge's titty physics?

Screw roughes tits. They need to make Sonic arms blue in the remake. It will officially mean sonic arms always been Canon blue. Chris-Chan will probably go Eliot Rodger in his car or kill in his mom in rage.

>>15947231

>入国料

wat

>>15947491

what

>>15947263

>DX

That version is unplayable.

>>15947556

Oy vey xenophobic working girls.

>>15947501

I don't know, i never own the game on gamecube, only on dreamcast so i also only know the cheezy animation

>>15947570

i want to pet her

>>15947918

what kind of things do you think people cant drink?

>>15947570

>added after the original in DX

she looked so damn out of place

Stop posting those cheesy ass female OCs, we all know youbare jacking off as you post em.

>>15944191

> Sonic franchise was so dead it had to start from its origins and work its way back to 3D environments

This is unironically how sonic was revived.

>>15949712

>>>/reddit/

>>15946540

As I said, shit memes aside the game is solid. Yes, it's shit, but it doesn't get in the way.

>>15949651

Mostly lighting and textures. The DX textures feel way out of place compared to the original ones.

>>15949651

Someone found a way to make the Steam release look like the Dreamcast version.

So are classicfags going to realize that Adventure is good or are we still going to pretend no one likes it because some popular youtuber said its shit?

>>15951383

I don't know about this popular YouTuber, but they were shit, bar none. Doesn't mean I, and a lot of others, don't still like them.

>>15951438

It's on GameCube though. You can play it on your modded Wii. Or Dolphin.

>>15951453

Yeah, or I could just emulate it or play my Dreamcast console. That's not the point. The point is to get a remaster out there, if they're absolutely hell bent on not producing a sequel, to get more people to play it and rejuvenate interest in the series so that a sequel may end up being seen as worth investing in.

They know people love the series and want to see more of it, which is why they keep putting SoA references in shit - but they never actually bother to do anything with the property.

>>15944255

>broken physics

>absolutely horrible hubworlds

>levels are either really awkward platforming sections that don't work because of Sonic's insane speed or a complete joke where all you need to do is press forward and press jump every now and then

>fucking awful bossfights

>game design so bad that the game has glowing orbs that tell you where to go

>cutscenes and story is a complete clusterfuck

The only good thing about the game is the music. At least admit to being a nostalgiafag.

>>15951453

Skies of Arcadia on the Gamecube has some problems. The music is much worse (rumor is they had to change the audio middleware in a hurry), and there are very noticeable lighting / transparency issues (because the Dreamcast's graphics chip did some things in a very unique way).

The upsides are more detailed models (hands with actual fingers), tweaked gameplay (fewer random battles), added sidequests (including a better explanation of why Ramirez turned to the dark side), and better / easier emulation.

>>15947570

>Cream

>best girl

haah waah

>>15952092

That image is always wrong, because the happy merchant was drawn in the 80's so it would be the 20th century.

>>15944092

Anon!! How the fuck can Sega make a good game if the first few Sonic games were TRASH? I seriously hope you don't think the first 3 sonic games are good.

>>15955476

Rejecting the truth? I expected as much. After all. You'd run out of things to complain and feel superior over the Sonic Team.

We already had a remake with DX on PC and GC, and sonic adventure 2: battle on same consoles. As far as I remember, they were horrible

All this tells me is that sonic team know that the last good thing they did was SA1 and SA2, and dumbass spergs that make up the sonic community will eat that shit up, if they just release an HD port again

Really, I would be more interested in a remake, or rather, a finalized sonic 06. The game that we got was clearly a beta test, at best, with the amount of blatant glitches and how easy it was to break the game, I would say it was more of an alpha that people had to pay for

Patch up the game, balance it, remove all these stupid ass town missions, hell, remove all or most real world references, make the story less cringy and improve on the characters that were added(silver and blaze) rather than making them the same as other sonic characters but with stupid gimmicks.

Sonic 06 was pretty much supposed to be SA3, and it played similarly, too, remake that in HD, optimize the game to remove loading screens, plus everything I said above, and actually put time and effort into it this time. There, that's how you can make sonic good again, it is that simple, and most of it is done for you

>>15955431

>play sonic 1

>oh man this is fun

>suddenly overall level design starts to suck actual ass, everything is slow and platforming, no longer about going fast

I WAS PROMISED FAST

>>15955928

Serves you right for falling for a meme.

>>15956073

>Theme of E-102 Gamma

when the first trailers for sonic adventure came out (before the launch of the dreamcast in 1999/the us). one of them had the theme of E-102 gamma and thats what got me hyped for getting a dreamcast, the way the trailer was cut and the song sold me on the whole concept. unfortunately it was a bit misleading… (they made it seem like the whole robots gaining sentience thing was a bigger part of the of the game then it really was)

>>15955928

Truly the best designed stages are usually the first ones where it's actually about going fast. There's a reason why Emerald Coast and City Escape are so fondly remembered outside the OST

>>15955928

How much of a casual are you?

>>15955485

Bet you can't even into inertia, fag.

>>15944538

They had better

>>15947394

At this point he would probably just say that the lesbian CPU goddesses made his arms normal in universe #1488 so he doesn't give a shit. Nepshit and the trannies giving him weed have ruined him.

>>15956624

I don't know why people hate Labyrinth Zone so much, there's lots of skips and shortcuts in most of the 4 acts. On the other hand Marble Zone only has like one small skip in act 3, unless you're playing the Retro Engine version as Knuckles. Basically fuck Marble Zone it is complete trash.

>>15944163

>>15944246

>>15944255

>>15947263

>>15944274

>>15944278

>>15944284

>>15952023

I've only played tiny bits of SA1, but most of SA2's issues are problems that every other early 3d game had, and people look past for every other early 3d game, and just hold it against SA2 because it's sonic and it's cool to shit on it.

> the 2 is horrible though.

why do you hate 2 anon

>>15944372

>>15944382

>>15944394

>>15945301

>>15945338

>>15945649

I'm so fucking sick of this meme.

06 isn't adventure 3: It's an adventure STYLE game, the same way Heros and Shadow was, but none of them were called SA3, nor was 06 ever called SA3 in development.

Unleashed isn't related to Adventure at all, it's called "World Adventure" in japan because it';s levels are themed after real life locations.

>>15945391

What was >>15945375?

>>15944909

I love these, they are so dumb it looks back to being cool. Would be perfect for an Anime Fighter like Melty Blood or some shit

>>15965593

>third game in the series in the Adventure "style"

I never said it was, but it's the most likely candidate considering no other game comes close.

>Heroes and Shadow

>Adventure style

They aren't Adventure-style at all unless you mean the serious story and the 3D platforming makes them Adventure-style.

>>15965622

They are absolutely adventure style, in the same way unleashed, generations, and forces are all boost style.

In fact Generations almost had SA1, 2, heros, shadow, and 06 as it's own era instead of grouping them into "modern", complete with sonic's old voice actor voicing that version of sonic, but it got cut and they just got grouped into modern/boost style stages instead

>>15956403

How nice, they make Sonic games for the disabled now.

It really needs a reimagining more than a remake. Keep the less on-rails gameplay, hubworlds, and Chao. Rethink just about everything else. Treasure hunting and fishing can be activities in the overworld, rather than dedicated stages. Other characters could maybe offer alternate ways to tackle Sonic's stages, but wouldn't be mandatory in the same way.

Would be great if the hub worlds were big open spaces you could really have fun with like the Sonic Utopia demo.

>>15944092

>>15944141

After seeing Forces underwhelming and disappointing writing, no. I have no hope that the remakes will be better. Forces could have been potentially good but it was botched with cringy jokes that didn't do anything in serious moments. The current writers are trash. I want the writers of Sonic 06 or Unleashed back at this point.

>>15965593

I didn't say that either game was literally SA3, just that World Adventure started out as an actual sequel early into development.

http://archive.ph/lzbu#selection-1053.0-1065.101

Not the only game that could've started out fairly different, either:

http://archive.fo/O3hMN#selection-1744.0-1951.297

Then there's the various directions X-Treme could have taken, the other "Extreme" game's concept being retooled into Riders, and Adventure first getting its start as Jam's hub world being a guinea pig with the classic models still in the Dreamcast version of Sky Chase.

>>15966692

Huh, well, the final product certainly isn't an adventure style game in the slightest.

>>15967163

There's some similarities with the NPC filled hub worlds, the divine creatures, alternate gameplay, upgrade progression, tornado minigame, and possibly some other things I can't recall at the moment. But you're right that they are indeed quite different. Makes me think what would they would have done had they not used the boost in favor of sticking to actually making a third Adventure game or made Knuckles possibly take the werehog's place, etc..

Sonic Adventure 1 with dual analog controls might be good tbh

I still wouldn';t mind if they added sonic lost world's controls to a remake, but removed the run button

>>15955928

Sonic 3D should've been just a racing game.

>>15952089

That censorship was in the English Dreamcast release as well.

>>15982090

>freedom planet

absolutely based

>>15981468

Like Sonic R?

>>15987039

Look anon it's okay that you're a mexican 9 year old sonic fagboy with his own OC who replies like an omegle bot.

There's a very simple solution to this conundrum. All you have to do is kill yourself, like the Harry Potter fans.

>>15944092

My first fap was autistic as hell because it was before sex-ed. For some reason, my autism sprung a leak on sonic adventure 1 when Amy walked onto the screen with music related playing.

For the next three days, I would hold in my pee all day and then wait to get home. I would then start a new save file on sonic adventure until Amy showed up. I would then play with my balls with this god forsaken music in the background until it was time to take a shower, where'd I'd proceed to pee in the shower while thinking of Amy.

Inevitably, I learned what touching my peepee was on the third day of this routine. I quickly nutted, pissed all over the floor, and screeched in fright of my mess. My mother, thinking I was hurt, ran into my room. After I explained what happened, Mom took my dreamcast away.

>>15990216

Good job, who wouldn't want moar Sonic smut after shit like this has been posted?:

>>15984714

>>15944653

>Apparently the code behind how the Chao work was lost.

isn't there a 3d sonic fangame that has a chao garden?

>>15990512

Would it really be that hard to recreate it 20 years later anyway? Surely some Sonic autists are able to do that.

>>15990216

I hope to Christ this is just pasta

>>15944107

Well, today's Sonic Team, anyway. I don't have pics on me, but I remember a thread here awhile back going on how Sonic Team's been hemorrhaging talent and a lot of them have been jumping ship to Nintendo over the past few years.

>>15988967

An intricate continuity with lots of background and/or implied details you have to look for doesn't mean a great story. Sonic 1 and 2's story barely existed in the actual games, CD's in-game plot was "Amy got kidnapped, go rescue her, and save the future I guess", and 3&K's story, while executed well with its level transition scenes, was just a serviceable "this red dude is being a dick and Eggman is up to his old shit". While the overall plot of Adventure was okay, the way the story was told was just bad, with lots of dumb events. Tails is just walking around with his emerald in hand, while Eggman is still there, and then Eggman nabs it because Tails is a dumbass? That's just bad writing. Same with Sonic and Tails getting an emerald, only to immediately have Eggman come up and gas them, then completely leave their unconscious bodies alone. Then there's the tale of Tikal that they try to spin, only we barely see any of it, and what we do see barely explains anything beyond the emeralds being magical mcguffins and her dad being a jerk who attacks defenseless critters out of an unexplained motivation. SA2's plot is decent, overall, and really only suffers from a bad English translation and dubbing. Heroes is mostly just a basic video game story, without much to contribute to the overall series narrative, besides Shadow's amnesia, which is hardly important to the game, anyway. Then there's Shadow's game, which is some of the absolute stupidest the series gets, with ridiculously edgy aliens, a military commander with a dumb backstory, retcons out the wazoo, and some really stupid endings.

Also, that first image about Eggman is pure conjecture with no solid evidence, just game-theory-tier strings of logic. I hate it when people post it and act like its resolute fact.

>>15990216

Please be true.

>>15993399

>Sonic 1 and 2's story barely existed in the actual games, CD's in-game plot was "Amy got kidnapped, go rescue her, and save the future I guess", and 3&K's story, while executed well with its level transition scenes, was just a serviceable "this red dude is being a dick and Eggman is up to his old shit".

>Supplementary material provided with the game(manuals) provides the story when it would be resource-intensive to include in the game, doesn't count

Why must the story be in the game to count? A manual is written by a SEGA employee and included with every retail copy of the game, it is nothing if not canon material.

Here are the Japanese manuals for the 8-bit and 16-bit games:

Sonic 1: http://info.sonicretro.org/File:Sonic1_MD_JP_manual.pdf

Sonic 2: http://info.sonicretro.org/File:Sonic2_MD_JP_manual.pdf

Sonic 3: http://info.sonicretro.org/File:Sonic3_MD_JP_SonicJam_manual.pdf

Sonic K: http://info.sonicretro.org/File:S%26K_MD_JP_SonicJam_manual.pdf

Sonic CD: http://info.sonicretro.org/File:SonicCD_MCD_JP_manual.pdf

Chaotix: http://info.sonicretro.org/File:Chaotix_32X_JP_manual.pdf

Sonic 1 GG: http://info.sonicretro.org/File:Sonic_1_GG_JP_Manual.pdf

Sonic 2 GG: http://info.sonicretro.org/File:Sonic_2_GG_JP_Manual.pdf

Sonic Chaos: http://info.sonicretro.org/File:Sonic_Chaos_Game_Gear_JP_Manual.pdf

Sonic Triple Trouble: http://info.sonicretro.org/File:SonicTripleTrouble_GG_JP_manual.pdf

>>15982090

>Sonic 2 SPIN DASH. Let's give Sonic a burst of speed he can do at any time, the problem is that you can barely control how much speed you give him and often end up rocketing straight into an enemy, spikes, pitfall, other bullshit.

I remember being a kid when Sonic was released. I've never heard anyone complain about Sonic being uncontrollable in the classic until about 10 years ago. Holy shit I wish you retards were aborted. You faggots can't handle shit children did all the time.

>>15993792

His given motivation was "our society needs the chaos emeralds." No explanation as to why he was so convinced they absolutely needed them. No reason given as to why he decided he needed to drive spears through a bunch of animals that were essentially children. Just "grr, I'm a power-hungry bad dude with a total of like four lines. Watch as my stupidity causes this entire mess." If there was maybe an enemy they were having trouble defeating or something, then that would have made sense. Pachamac knows the emeralds are powerful, decides their the best option to finally beat this troublesome foe, and becomes intent on acquiring them. But, instead, we have a supposedly incredibly successful warlord, who has easily conquered the surrounding areas, decide, for no given logical reason, that his civilization will only continue to survive and grow if he gets the chaos emeralds. Then he violently attacks a shrine that, by all appearances, is only inhabited by a bunch of peaceful, harmless creatures. It's just poor story-telling. Maybe, instead of having a fucking flashback cutscene about how the chao like to sing, they could have had a cutscene actually developing Pachamac's character.

>Iizuka kind of retconned the Super Emeralds though.

Mania sorta brought them back. They're all in the Master Emerald shrine, cracked to shit, during the Hard-boiled King fight in Knuckles's story.

>>15988967

>>15994013

If we want to talk about plotholes in the whole timeline, are eggman nega and Blaze supposed to be from a future timeline or a different dimension.

>>15994154

Blaze is from a different dimension, this has been canonically the case since Rush Adventure. Nega has been retconned to being from the future, as of the Rivals series.

>>15993399

>An intricate continuity with lots of background and/or implied details you have to look for doesn't mean a great story.

Not necessarily, but it's fun, and suits the medium of video games well.

>Sonic 1 and 2's story barely existed in the actual games

Old video games largely told their stories in the manuals. This was standard practice, and tons of games have pretty good stories only in the manuals. Thing is, you gotta read the non-(((localized))) manuals.

>While the overall plot of Adventure was okay, the way the story was told was just bad, with lots of dumb events.

I disagree. I think it's the way the story is told that makes it great. The non-linear nature of it is interesting, and the detail given to and from the NPCs when you speak to them at different points in the timeline of the game is very interesting.

As for your complaints, Tails is naive, Eggman is excited about getting a Chaos Emerald and isn't going to risk that victory by continuing to mess with Sonic and Tails in the middle of a populated city. The flashbacks explain a lot, especially if you talk to the NPCs, where they do talk about being in war. But regardless, Pachacmac wanting the emeralds for "defense," to make his nation more powerful, is a good enough explanation. He's power hungry, and has been called evil since Sonic 2 or 3. That's good enough for my anime plots. This type of characterization works with this tone of story.

Shadow the Hedgehog's retcons work well and slot right in to the previous continuity. They expand the backstory of Sonic Adventure 2 in ways that feel like they make sense. You're free to disagree, but explaining what Gerald was doing before the government drove him mad, explaining how all the stuff we know he was doing wasn't actually evil, makes sense.

>>15993792

There's no reason to think the Game Gear games are non-canon. Not all entries need to be important, but just because they're not important doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Also, the thing about Eggman's motivations is partly conjecture, but it's based on explaining his backstory and parts of his motivations that are stated, such as his admiration for his grandfather.

>>15994175

Yes, but Sonic '06 acts like Blaze is from Silver's future. The best explanation I've heard is that at the end of '06, when she absorbs Iblis or something and goes to another dimension, that's her going to the dimension from Rush, and also maybe it's how she got her fire powers. Of course the real reason is because Sonic Team didn't make Rush so they didn't give a shit.

Nega is a similar situation because as you pointed out, Rivals says he's from the future when before that he was just from another dimension. But I guess he was just pretending to be from another dimension.

>>15994309

>But I guess he was just pretending to be from another dimension.

That makes sense if you think about the cast.

Over in the main series' dimension, in terms of furries ready to stop a power-hungry robotics entrepreneur, we have a (probably) biologically immortal black hedgehog, witches born from stories capable of reaching into the outside world (Black Knight), legions of ancient war machines capable of learning any of your creation's moves and using them against you (Gizoid), a world-wide military force (G.U.N.) with a grip on an orbital laser (the Arc), hoverboards, airships, and two sets of magical gemstones (Chaos and Super Emeralds) that can be used against you.

Meanwhile over in Blaze's dimension, we have, a single fucking pyrokinetic cat, one set of magical rocks, a raccoon, and koalas.

Granted, that's what we know of both realms in the present, but knowing the pace of innovation between the two now, which would you set up shop in if you were looking to build a small army? I don't want to imagine the totalitarian nightmare that the main world turned into.

I can't wait to beat my Chao again.

>>15994309

>There's no reason to think the Game Gear games are non-canon. Not all entries need to be important, but just because they're not important doesn't mean they didn't happen.

https://archive.fo/86Sp0

He made a similar comment that when the Chaotix were reintroduced in Heroes, implying that the events of Chaotix were null and void. The Game Gear games themselves didn't get anything besides a cameo of Fang on a poster in Generations which was contributed by a Sega of Europe employee (AAUK). It's as if whatever game that wasn't made by the main Sonic Team at some point is no longer a part of the modern timeline, save for CD and potentially the Rush/Rival series. Then again, it's funny how Eggman possessing an emerald made South Island at danger for sinking into the ocean for some reason, but come Forces, Green Hill seems to be on a continent for some reason. Either they forget, were careless as the geography/maps throughout the games also changed (Shadow to Unleashed), or it's intentionally part of the "two worlds" explanation they gave out with Classic Sonic being said to come from "another dimension" now. So they could possibly be canon anyway but only in a diverging timeline with Mania if the latter's the case.

https://archive.fo/vzxGO

Christian Whitehead, programmer and director of Mania and the 1,2, CD ports says those were just statues, with Iizuka and Hoshino stating on multiple occasions that they were for 3&K only, not wanting to get too crazy with the amount of emeralds post Adventure. When asked in a con, the Hyper forms were axed because they didn't want to invite further comparisons with a "certain other anime series".

>>15995241

>because they didn't want to invite further comparisons with a "certain other anime series".

Then they proceeded to create a character that they already knew was incredibly similar to a certain time-traveling, purple-haired warrior from a ruined future.

>>15995323

In fairness, that comment was made years after 06 was out, and they were pretty averse to retreading any of that by cutting down on the playable cast and melodramatic stories in the main games from Black Knight until Forces. Even then, it felt like they were holding back from getting too wild and peppered that game with lots of 2D and genesis era callbacks.

>>15995375

Found it, it was from last year at SXSW right after the 14:00 minute mark.

Takashi does flip flop a bit since he let the gameplay come back despite saying that it was limiting for Lost World's pre release, how he said he'd be ok with a SA3 if there's fan demand before going "the team's standards/ways of doing things have evolved past that" until this thread where he entertains the thought of an Adventure remake etc.

There's also other forms Sonic technically had, but they were confined in the Storybook games which were just analogous to the regular Super Sonic anyway. Similarly, Blaze has her own form and set of emeralds which were also restrained to her own dimension. Mentioned after Rush Adventure but never really used in action again until the new IDW comics.

>>15995375

>>15995446

Still, Hyper forms were cut at Adventure, so that statement implies they wanted to distance the franchise from DBZ that early. Then Vegeta and Trunks became Sonic characters.

>>15944731

My nigger.

>>15994380

>two sets of magical gemstones (Chaos and Super Emeralds) that can be used against you.

The Super Emeralds are just the Chaos Emeralds but powered up. Also they might not be canon. Not because they were never mentioned in other games, but because the canon ending of Sonic & Tails' story, at least, is the one where they collect all the Chaos Emeralds but not all the Super Emeralds. That's the one with the post-credits scene that leads into Knuckles' story.

>>15995241

The people making the games now don't care about story. But the people making them up until '06 and maybe Unleashed did. Sonic Team doesn't give a shit about the old games and only pays lip service to them because they know that's what people want. The Mania crew are autistic as fuck over gameplay and don't have any room left in their brains for story. Still, there was a story there, even if the current employees of Sega don't care about it.

Also, Classic Sonic being from "another dimension" clearly just means he's from another timeline. They're using dimension and timeline interchangeably. Classic Sonic, ironically, is not actually the Sonic from the classic (small C) Sonic games. His timeline diverged at the point where he got pulled into Generations, which seems like the very beginning of Sonic 1. Modern Sonic doesn't remember experiencing Generations or Forces from Classic Sonic's point of view. However, Mania, which only happened in this new Classic Sonic timeline, seems to imply that that timeline is very similar, though not exactly the same, as Modern Sonic's timeline. This is because obviously they want to say all the classic Sonic games happened (and if anything, Mania would be right at the end of that era, just before Adventure, Pocket Adventure, or maybe R). But technically, as we see in Generations, several key events in their lives differ between Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic, including just how Sonic 1 happened (Modern Sonic didn't get sidetracked by Generations) and how Sonic met Tails.

>>15995886

The Super Emeralds are just the Chaos Emeralds powered up by the Master Emerald. The Master Emerald controls the Chaos Emeralds, but we only ever see it decrease their power, rather than increase it. Except for when you get the Super Emeralds in S3&K.

I wish they would take the concept of what was done with Sonic World and make it a real thing. Fuck Ozcrash and his band of autistic children, but the game is definitely my favorite sonic fangame of all time.