0b1699 No.15927599
Archive to last thread: http://archive.is/WczmS
Visual Novel Database: https://vndb.org/
Visual Novel Starter Kit: https://pastebin.com/XKrrckWf (Includes info for beginners, terminology, recommendations, sources, and downloads for fonts and visual novels for beginners.)
Visual novel recommendation charts: http://animu-mango.wikia.com/wiki/VN_Recommendations
Nostalgic Visual Novels on-line: http://tss.asenheim.org/
Another online visual novel reading site: http://vnjs.thatplayer.com/
Rockmandash's Guide to Tablets for VNs: http://archive.is/B3cv5 (slightly outdated but still guides you in the right direction)
Fuwanovel VNs on Android Guide: https://forums.fuwanovel.net/topic/1323-android-visual-novel-lets-play-visual-novel-on-the-go/
Machine translation guides: https://amaenboda.wordpress.com/tag/how-to-use-agth/ & http://archive.is/5vgDa
You can check the status of Mangagemer translations here: http://blog.mangagamer.org/project-status/
Translation status for other VNs can also be found here. https://fuwanovel.net/category/vnts-latest/
<Recent news:
>Steam and GoG are having a winter sale for visual novels and other games.
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=visual+novel
https://www.gog.com/games?price=discounted&sort=popularity&page=1&category=adventure&language=en&search=visual%20novel
>Daedalus: The Awakening of Golden Jazz credits include English localization staff which may hint to an English localization. Arc System Works has yet to give any announcement on an English release however.
https://vndb.org/v23901
http://archive.is/EziG1
>(((Sekai Project))) announced 3 VNs to release for early 2019. Serment, Heart of the Woods, and Nanairo Reincarnation.
https://vndb.org/v19675 (Serment)
https://vndb.org/v21957 (Heart of the Woods)
https://vndb.org/v15473 (Nanairo Reincarnation)
>VenusBlood FRONTIER kickstarter reached its 4th stretch goal reopened preo-orders until April 2019.
https://vndb.org/v9409
https://venusbloodfrontier.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders
>World End Syndrome coming west for PS4, Switch in spring 2019
https://vndb.org/v22181
http://archive.fo/n1cjy
>Taiman Asagi Zero had the first third of the VN, including Murasaki's side story, translated by Rattan Man Translations.
https://vndb.org/r61125
http://rattanmantrans.tumblr.com/post/181396409130/heres-the-first-partial-patch-it-covers-the
Download link: https://mega.nz/#!qhhmQACb!r9Eq-neVKGmSU7ksQ86Div8VgWpuSw3A6nZNibyZRVA
>Hoshi Ori Yume Mirai had Rikka's route translated by Tsurezure Scans. This includes Marika, Misa and the common route. This leaves Sora, Natsuki and Touko's route.
https://vndb.org/v14265
https://tsurezurescans.wordpress.com/2018/12/24/hoshi-ori-yume-mirai-update-13-rikka-route-patch/
>"My Girlfriend Gets Aroused Watching Me Have Sex With Another Girl" was translated by Washi Translations on December 23rd. The link to the download can be found on the translator's page.
https://vndb.org/v13249
https://washitranslation.wordpress.com/
>Boku to Nurse no Kenshuu Nisshi had an english patch by "The Oxford Comma is Superior Subs" on December 22nd.
https://vndb.org/v22445
https://theoxfordcommaissuperiorsubs.com/downloads/
>Hyakka Hyakurou Sengoku Ninpou-chou was released on the Switch on December 20th with all the previous DLC.
https://vndb.org/v17287
>Sweet Pool was released on JAST Blue and Steam, on December 19th, for $19.99. A Steam restoration patch and demo is also available.
https://vndb.org/v1399
https://jast.blue/sweetpool.html
>SukiSuki (If You love Me, Then Say So!) released on Mangagamer on December 13th for $44.95. Translation patch can be found below.
https://vndb.org/v17376
https://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=1089
https://mega.nz/#!uwFEUSTB!f3ih43MW4HbLKJj_OaGJtY9bielouKPne0rzKQRC0YI
>Eikoku Tantei Mysteria released on PSVita on December 18th.
https://vndb.org/v8243
http://ladymysteria.com/
>Kami ni Aisareta Hanayome ~Mayonaka no Chigiri~ released in English for IOS and Android on December 12th.
https://vndb.org/v24374
>Lightning Angel Litona Liliche - Seomgwangcheonsa Litona Lilisye was released on December 5th on Steam for $11.99.
https://vndb.org/v24821
https://store.steampowered.com/app/923900/Lightning_Angel_Litona_Liliche/
>Do S na Onee-san wa Suki Desu ka? had a partial patch by mortalvyses on December 4th where the common route was translated.
https://vndb.org/v4503
http://blog.livedoor.jp/mortalvyses/
0b1699 No.15927607
>>15927599
<Recent releases:
>"My Girlfriend Gets Aroused Watching Me Have Sex With Another Girl" was translated by Washi Translations on December 23rd.
https://vndb.org/v13249
https://washitranslation.wordpress.com/
>Hyakka Hyakurou Sengoku Ninpou-chou was released on the Switch on December 20th with all the previous DLC.
https://vndb.org/v17287
>BL VN Sweet Pool releases on Steam and JASTUSA for $19.99 for December 19th. Demo available on Steam.
https://vndb.org/v1399
https://jast.blue/sweetpool.html
>SukiSuki (If You love Me, Then Say So!) released on Mangagamer for $44.95 on December 13th. Translation patch can be found below and said patch will be updated in the future.
https://vndb.org/v17376
https://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=1089
https://mega.nz/#!uwFEUSTB!f3ih43MW4HbLKJj_OaGJtY9bielouKPne0rzKQRC0YI
>Bloody Chronicles – New Cycle of Death released on December 13th.
https://vndb.org/v18773
http://bloodychronicles.com/
<Upcoming releases:
>Kindred Spirits on the Roof Full Chorus releases on Mangagamer for $44.95 $29.21 on January 17th.
https://vndb.org/v8508
https://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=1093
0b1699 No.15927623
Real archive for last thread: http://archive.is/isSJQ
Noticed right after I posted I forgot to change that. I didn't expect much news but still found some after a little digging. Kindred Spirits seems to be one of the only things officially announced for next month. Barely any other VNs have had a solid release date stated for Jan. Most just say Winter 2019 or Q1.
cb1a88 No.15927693
>>15927599
Yay, hopefully Kindred is good.
>>15927599
Only decent think about Taiman is the art. Have no idea why people like it.
b58937 No.15927840
What is the westernization of the market gonna do long term. I can't imagine weebs have any worse taste than your average gook.
49124b No.15927867
>>15927607
>"My Girlfriend Gets Aroused Watching Me Have Sex With Another Girl"
/cuckquean/ plz
30b743 No.15928146
>>15927693
>Only decent think about Taiman is the art
It's downright criminal how cute the girls are and good the art is compared to the content. Even if you stick with the ones that don't have NTR, the sex scenes still consist mostly of constant ahegao screeching. It's just not sexy.
I hate to see lewd potential squandered like this.
0b1699 No.15928232
>>15927693
I would imagine it's mainly due to the art and titty monsters getting dicked like crazy. It could also be a case of baby's first hentai that was actually pretty good. So they don't mind sticking with the VNs.
>>15927840
Depends on what you're talking about. If you're talking about the west making their own VN. They have a long way to go. They may have some good writers like we've seen with Crimson Gray but the good artists are no where near on the level as the JP community. They've had decades of crafting a culture around drawing cute girls. It would explain why there are tons of them now. Meanwhile, in the west, the few who draw porn usually just stick to commissions and have to deal with horrible hug boxes like Deviantart and Tumblr. Neither are good environments for artists IMO.
If you mean western companies trying to take over VNs. I believe Sekai will continue to try and obtain a monopoly on localized VNs. But I can't imagine them actually sustaining their current trend unless they make a major change to their structure. They have 30+ VNs under their belt that are still not translated. More and more companies might just avoid them like how all these devs will start avoiding Sony.
b4b29b No.15928262
Any recommended VN with wolf girls?
cb1a88 No.15928287
>>15928232
I know Frontwing and Churnsoft have set up their own publishing wings for the west because of the likes of Sekai and Nisa do bad ports or take too long in actually delivering the title.
>>15928262
https://vndb.org/g1305?fil=tagspoil-0.tag_inc-1305;m=0;o=d;s=pop
Not a lot.
d830ee No.15928326
>>15927840
Lots and lots of niggers and some muslims. You're going to get a lot of anime girls talking about how they love nigger dicks.
49124b No.15928349
>>15928287
>Frontwing
Ha, those guys can't self-manage their way out of a paper bag.
0b1699 No.15929134
>>15928262
Tons of cat girls but barely any dog girls. Especially wolf girls. If you can stand the awful translation, then Libra of the Vampire Princess might be good. It has a great werewolf maid who's also the comic relief. This VN ticked most of the things I liked too. Sadly the translation was machine tier.
https://vndb.org/v17825
>>15928349
They definitely need better translators that's for sure. If My Heart Had Wings was considered a rewrite with how off the translation was. Saying that, I don't know how good the Phantom Trigger translations are.
d660be No.15931523
>>15927840
>What is the westernization of the western market gonna do
You tell me
4ef544 No.15931640
>play Clannad
>finish nagisa route
>cry
>can't be too many routes for this game I assume
>10 routes
FUCK FUCK FUCK
are there any routes that are just uninteresting or the anime covered perfectly fine?
b7f976 No.15932064
>loli wants a big paper
>she wants to put together all of her smaller ones to make a very large one
>protag gives her some glue to work with
>it goes about as well as you'd expect
>glue got everywhere, the loli is sticky and the papers are not only not in place, but on her dress as well
>he'll do it for her
>protag glues them together
>loli wants to get to work on her thing right away, but he stops her
>it has to dry first
>they get in the bath so he can clean her
>"there is no glue down there"
>the bath takes a while
>finally they are out
>loli marches around her big paper like a general inspecting his troops
>so what does she want to do with it?
>make a big plane
>the protag looks on as the paper folding process unfolds
>he stares at the final product in disbelief
>it's one metre in length and width
>true, the shape is like that of a paper plane
>but the nose is crooked and the wings are disproportionate
>a loli who could not make a small plane fly hopes that this one will
>"plane…"
>he doesn't say anything
>"Plane!"
>still no response
>"PLANE! PLANE!," she is yelling now
>"now what will you do?"
>now she plans to ride it and fly off
>he's not really sure about that plan
>tells her it would be too soon for the poor plane to take her right away
>she agrees
>a bit of time passes
>her patience has reached its limit
>she strides over to it
>picks it up with all of her mighty loli strength
>she is so happy
>surely it will fly
>runs with it and throws it
>it flies for 50cm
>before crashing into the ground and breaking into pieces
>the loli looks on with a sad face
>crawls over to the remains of the wreckage and pokes them as if to check whether they yet live
>there was no way it could fly
>she wants him to make a big one for her
>he says even he cannot do that
>she is disappointed
>but then it dawns on him
>"where would you fly to?"
>she doesn't know
>the loli wants to fly away but doesn't know to where
>he feels a shadow of unease overcome him
>a loli who should not ever think of leaving this place is
>they dance together to the piano music the butler plays
>protag is thinking how all of this will probably end soon
>hugs the loli
>she asks if he's in pain
>they stay like that for a while
>the butler has a cold smile on his face
>in his room
>completely lost all track of time and space
>can't remember how he got home or even out of the basement
>not sure if he visited the loli yesterday or the day before
>it probably doesn't matter anyway
>goes to see her
>she's drawing
>the fish, her master and herself
>struggles, but learns how to say *I* with a little help from her master
>Maiko comes to pay them a visit
>"I hope I'm not a bother"
>"You're always a bother"
>loli wants to impress her by showing off this great thing she just learned
>Maiko teases her
>she already knew how to say *I*
>Maiko is surprised the protag managed to teach the loli how to say that
>being her own person is not something the loli was ever meant to know or understand
>loli gives them a long speech, trying to give meaning to her broken sentences
>she just wants to say how she doesn't want anyone else but the protag to be her master and how he is special to her
>they hug
b7f976 No.15932066
>>15932064
>sees his imouto
>pets her hair and commends her for taking good care of his house
>it is all thanks to her that it has not fallen into disrepair so far
>proceeds to grope her breasts, twist her nipples and rape her
>has her clean him up
>fires his maid and gardener because the house will soon be sold anyway
>he's afraid of losing everything
>wakes up in the basement
>the loli who should be next to him in bed is not
>sees her staring at the aquarium in silence
>asks her what's wrong
>the fish are not moving
>she thinks they're sleeping
<has to try to explain to her that they are dead and will never move again
>the butler probably wanted to get rid of them, there's no one else down here but the three of them
>he takes the fish out and buries them in the garden outside
>loli feels pain in her chest
>she doesn't know what's going on
>he hugs her
>he is also sad
>she forces herself to offer to play with him
>he tells her it would not be fun like that
>she doesn't want him to be sad
>he hugs her again
>she can cry until she feels better
>he will be with her
>her warm tears stain his shirt
>she sobs in pain
>protag thinks how strange it is that he is so nice to this loli while he is more than willing to do terrible things to his imouto
b7f976 No.15932074
>>15932066
>he's having a strange dream again
>the ominous loli tells him his end is near
>and so is hers
>but every ending is followed by a beginning
>he wakes up next to the loli
>she is afraid of death
>she doesn't want her master to die like the fish
>cries
>he holds her tightly and tells her everything will be fine
>he can feel his own end creeping closer
>he is not afraid or worried about himself
>but making this precious loli sad would be unacceptable
>she's blowing her bubbles
>suddenly stops
>asks the protag if they die when they pop
>has to somehow explain to this loli that they are not alive
>she is relieved
>she'd hate to make something die
>wants him to blow her a big bubble
>he remembers some method he and his friend came up with to make big ones when they were kids
>loli wants this method RIGHT NOW
>he doesn't have everything he needs here
>but she wants it NOW
>reaches out and gently pets her head
>it is the only thing that has reliably calmed the loli down so far
>tells her he'll get what he needs from "outside"
>she wonders if there are many things there
>sounds a lot like she'd want to go
>but there is no way he could invite her
>he's not sure what would happen
>they're playing chess while waiting for his plan to come through
>loli is very bad at it
>he used the big aquarium they already had and has brought a lot of soap
>finally the thing is ready
>she is jumping with joy
>why does looking at her make him so happy
>he truly did terrible things to his imouto
>they make a big bubble come out
>it's one meter in diameter
>she stares at it in silence
>if her eyes could eat, the bubble would be long gone
>it falls to the ground and pops
>she gasps for air
>she was not breathing out of fear she might ruin it and said nothing
>they make the next one
>she yells out how big and wonderful it is
>dances around it
>stands next to the protag
>she can see herself and him reflected in it
>"it's like we're the fish"
>turns somber
>protag tells her that she should never forget the fish
>somehow, it is good to see this innocent loli display a melancholy face
>they're like a real couple
Ending soon.
Also, I feel like these have been getting unnecessarily long lately, so I'll see about shaving off some unnecessary things.
30b743 No.15932164
>>15932064
>>15932066
>>15932074
Loli a cute. It's such a shame that turning her into a real person requires treating the imouto so terribly. Hopefully there'll be a way for both to get a happy ending.
557b61 No.15932325
>>15932074
Thanks for posting these. It really does repeat itself a lot huh?
>>15932227
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d660be No.15933881
>>15932227
>[CUTE THING BAD]
94ba46 No.15933994
>>15928287
>Not a lot.
JUST!
>>15929134
>Sadly the translation was machine tier.
beggars cant be choosers, thanks for the rec, anon.
8c6ae3 No.15934003
>>15929134
Frontwing didn't do If My Heart Had Wings. Moenovel did.
b5505f No.15936079
>play through fuko's route
>getting increasingly depressing throughout
>feel sad and teary but nothing yet
>everyone forgets her but I still can't shed a fucking tear
it's depressing not being able to cry for some reason, I used to enjoy crying over stupid shit before
b5505f No.15936130
>>15936110
>get to the last few scenes
>tears
satisfying feeling achieved
b7f976 No.15938302
>>15932227
Only if your VN is strictly about paizuri.
Lolis are the greatest because all they want from you is your love and attention.
>>15932325
A lot of the crucial scenes are the same, but with minor changes to details here and there.
>>15932164
>both
Maybe individually and even that is uncertain.
Every damn ending so far has been a kick in the nuts of some kind.
82fd10 No.15938367
All I have are complaints.
>SukiSuki
<convoluted scene/confession system ensures that you'll be missing content forever and you have to play the same route at least 2, more likely 3 times if you want to see all the content there is
>but for your convenience, the best girls don't get their own routes so you don't have to worry about missing content for your mediocre heroines
Especially pissed about Maya. She's a rare kind of character, and they fuck it up by not putting her in the main cast.
>Bishoujo Mangekyou
<absolute horrid normalfag with shitty internal moral conflicts gets it on with a pure sadistic vampire
>he rips her clothes open
<massive D-E cup breasts spill out, despite the transparent clothes only showing A, at most B cups in all other artwork
<faggot starts raping her
<1 minute later and she's completely into it, drops the sadistic act, turns submissive
I don't know why you'd intentionally write a repulsive normaltrash player character for a self-insert bishoujo VN. Shit MCs are commonplace, but they're usually accidental, this one had to be on purpose.
f2e197 No.15938540
>>15938367
>Bishoujo Mangekyou
Every H scene so far has been what you described: dominating bitch gets touched and instantly turns into a mewling submissive fuckhole. "I don't want your stinking human cock you bast– OH GOD GIVE IT TO ME KIMOCHI YES MC-KUN FUCK ME HARDER!"
eda93d No.15938545
>>15938540
It's a scientific fact no girl can win against dick.
563460 No.15938584
>>15938545
774 missed the memo
297186 No.15938604
Is Never7 worth it? Considering I recently finished Ever17.
d830ee No.15938606
>>15938540
>>15938367
And this shit is why I dropped it early. Why is it that every faggot that makes dominant loli(ish) girls turns it into [gorilla noises] instantly? How can they be so blind to their target audience?
24eb30 No.15938611
>>15938604
Remember11 and Ever17 are great so I assume so, try it out.
30b743 No.15938769
>>15938367
Yeah, I'm pissed about SukiSuki too. All the main girls are dull and one-note, like Yuuki with her lewd jokes for example - an occasional joke from her would be pretty good, but 80% of everything she says is some kind of innuendo. It just gets boring. And then they rub it in by not giving routes to the two best girls. Maya was fucking great and I'll always be disappointed that her route was cut.
Another odd thing is that the side girls seem to have more emotional and character developing events, wheras most scenes with the main girls are just forgettable SoL that don't have any impact. So you end up with the player forming more of a connection with the routeless girls because not only are they more likeable, their events are better written and have more bearing on their romance with the MC.
I think this is the result of the confession system: since the player can confess at any time there can't be any kind of relationship building during the common route because you could easily miss it if you confess too soon, so they're forced to have a bunch of disconnected vignettes and then have the characters suddenly be in love after the confession even though they've never acted like anything more than friends. Since the side girls can't be confessed to, this restriction doesn't apply and actual relationship building can happen for them (but then not matter since they don't get routes or even a proper conclusion to their event chains).
The central gimmick of the VN ended up working to its detriment. I dropped it before even finishing a route, I might go back to see if the bonus girls are any good but I dunno.
>>15938540
Man I hate when that happens. It would be fine if it was a gradual change over the whole story, but when every H-scene is like that it's just dumb.
563460 No.15938780
>>15938769
Supposedly the red aidoru has the best route in SukiSuki, I'm probably going to give that one a shot before I drop it, but it's a shame. The confession system in itself is nowhere near interesting enough to justify how much it messed with the rest of the story.
d6fae9 No.15938791
>2000 and fucking 19
>Still no Baldr Sky in sight
Sekike pls
30b743 No.15938799
>>15938780
I never even had to confess, Ayame confessed to me after the volleyball thing. They base their whole game around this system and you don't even have to use it.
b1dd63 No.15938999
>>15932064
>>15932066
>>15932164
loli a pure cute, imouto a shit
30b743 No.15939149
>>15938999
>imouto a shit
Say that to my face fucker not online see what happens
9f1649 No.15939202
>>15938604
I dunno, Never7 is a bit crude in that it brings up the same sort of subjects as Ever17 but it doesn't quite fit it all together.
19344a No.15939354
ISeed of the Dead is awesome. It's a fps zombie game. Whenever you heal someone something amazing happens.
07653d No.15940212
There are people that actually like Little Busters.
d7493e No.15940249
I rewatched the anime Yosuga no Sora and now I really want to play it with the expansion but I can't find it translated.
d7493e No.15940260
>>15928232
Visual novels are visuals, text and music, don't forget the music.
84bf68 No.15940747
Why is Mai always so grumpy, it's probably why she only has 1 friend and the fact that she's a fucking autistic chuuni.
>>15940212
There are people that thought Little Busters was the pinnacle of KEY, and that the earlier KEY games didn't have enough interactivity.
>>15938791
Maybe in current year+5 the jews will be gone and the world will start going round again.
82fd10 No.15941207
>>15940249
You mean the fandisc? The main VN's TL isn't even finished, so that one isn't happening any time soon.
10e284 No.15942089
Are there any really good cinematic visual novels out there (that don't have tons of filler)? I've been looking for something really good and have in fact found fault milestone to be really awesome (especially the first one) and necrobarista (hasn't come out yet but still). Necrobarista does look very promising, but does anyone know of any already known vns that have cinematic qualities to them? Genuine question, because I believe these could become a pretty big thing given the right time and good games that could come with them.
73a62b No.15942299
>>15940747
>There are people that thought Little Busters was the pinnacle of KEY
it was
>and that the earlier KEY games didn't have enough interactivity.
it had nothing to do with that though, it was just the best written
f2e197 No.15942347
>>15940212
The only thing Little Busters did poorly was that aside from Rin and Kurugaya, the other girls' routes were completely isolated from the plot, served little to further the overall narrative of the story, and tended to have the rest of the Little Buster female crew to disappear during the last parts of the routes. Or to put it another way: Komari, Mio, Kud, and Haruka could be deleted from the game and the story wouldn't change much. However, the rest of the story is still pretty good, especially the common route. I'd say that the game suffered from "having to be a VN" and "having to please fans". KEY had to tack on the useless heroines to please VN fans.
>>15942299
>Little Busters
>best written
Not when Clannad exists. The entire build up to (huge spoilers) Tomoya moving on, accepting Ushio and forgiving his father was spectacular. Clannad is far from flawless, either in VN or anime form, but saying that the main story was poorly written is just lack of objectivity or being contrarian.
73a62b No.15942386
>>15942347
i didn't say clannad was poorly written, pretty much everything i've read by key was well written including clannad (although the vn had some problems with route intros that overlapped feeling disorganized and unstructured) and clannad's story was amazing, i just liked little busters' a little better
e0730c No.15942431
>>15942347
>>15942386
Speaking of Key, is the Air visual novel any good? Might play it after clannad.
still confused about the ending of Air's anime even after a good few years
why did that one character turn into a fucking crow
cc421a No.15942456
>>15942386
>>15942431
Here's the central problem with Clannad: it wants to tug your heartstrings, so it doesn't think about anything else. Unfortunately for this vn, this means that it ends up being utterly contrived, unrealistic, and outright stupid.
This show expects us to believe that teenage girls act like five-year-olds. It expects us to care about these infantile, one-dimensional characters. It expects us to have genuine emotional reactions to the 'blossoming relationships' between our bland protagonist and these excuses for characters.
Is this too harsh? Let's look at the individual components that MAL expects us to rate anime by.
STORY: To be fair, the vn didn't have much to work with. Still, the outlandish (one word: Fuuko) and emotionally manipulative plot elements (most of the backstories that were explored) weakened what might otherwise have been a sweet, unpretentious slice-of-life drama/romance.
I mean: a story about a girl who is shy and has trouble making friends? Yeah, cool, you can watch Kimi no Todoke or something. A story about a girl with Mysterious Anime Disease who has the intellectual capacity of a child? Sorry, it's not working for me. [4/10]
ART: low budget, decent production values and art direction. Squishy moe character designs may not be everyone's cup of tea (Sanae looks barely older than Nagisa), but again, that comes with the territory. If anything, this aspect of Clannad makes me despair, because I can think of a lot of better visual novel series that deserve to have this sort of budget. 6/10
SOUND: Decent without being overdramatic, for the most part. Unfortunately, all the female characters sound like babies. [6/10]
CHARACTER: This is probably the greatest problem I have with Clannad. Few of the characters get much development. All of them (the female ones, anyway) exhibit some degree of fanboy-pandering. Kyou's tsundere-ness, Fuuko's quirkiness, Nagisa's unending sweetness, etc. - not to mention the fact that Fuuko, Kotomi and Nagisa, at least, sound at least half their age. Their childish and insecure natures (especially early in the vn) make for unrealistic characters - and therefore compromise this vns unrelenting attempts at making us care about them.
It's also hard to understand Tomoya's motivations at the start of the visual novel, i.e. why he even bothered with/cared about Nagisa et al. We get no insight into his motivations at all. Why would a so-called delinquent suddenly take up this project of helping a random girl he's never met before? Why does he find her interesting? What is the point? [3/10]
ENJOYMENT: Obviously higher if you're a moe fan, but those who derive little enjoyment from watching cute girls doing cute things might find this series rather trying.
Those who have their brain switched on will find this vn trying.
Those who think that female characters should actually resemble, you know, real people… yeah, don't watch this vn, it'll make you rage. [5/10]
If Clannad weren't so obviously manipulative, it might be a better series. Which is not to say that the series is obviously cynical - on the contrary, I think it exhibits a genuine warmth that lesser harem-type series lack. Yet the vn ultimately feels contrived and heavy-handed, and its unrealistic characters undermine its would-be heart-warming nature
>>15942431
Don't even bother. It's total shit and the branch choices make no fucking sense. It's probably worse than bible black as far as that goes.
73a62b No.15942461
>>15942431
imo it's one of key's weakest works
it's still worth reading but it's not the greatest
e0730c No.15942481
>>15942461
The anime was pretty fucking weird so I'm not surprised.
>>15942456
Did you copy paste this from somewhere because from what I've seen of Clannad it's pretty fucking great. That and there's way too much effort put into this post.
>Unfortunately, all the female characters sound like babies. [6/10]
Not really.
Art is pretty weird but it's part of the charm.
Characters are perfectly fine.
Sounds like you're describing the lack luster but still good anime adaptation, in terms of characters at least.
191a10 No.15942564
The vn as a romance, was piss-poor with a mostly one dimensional female characters with only two that actually had somewhat decent personalities. For me at least, it failed to be a drama. The first arc is focused mainly around a character that was very annoying. I was uncaring of all that happened and I had absolutely 0 emotional input to everything since that part. Clannad the vn, is supposedly to be about drama and romance but the predominant aspect of its run of the mill comedy and slice of life aspects. It certainly hurts the vn. It had some decent moments, but pretty much all those moments were comedic and rediculous.
The primary love interest, Nagisa was probably the very worst character I've ever seen in a vn. She's as one dimensional as a 180° angle. Throughout the whole thing, Nagisa acts exactly like some toddler, she never goes through any sort of character development that I could reasonably call it that. Nagisa is the primary cause of Clannad's shitty story. Only two characters this vn includes (that are semi decent) are the male protagonists Okazaki and Sunohara. The only female characters that have some sort of personality end up being completely trivial. Overall, the characters are a huge mess and make this one of the most overrated and shit visual novels to date.
73a62b No.15942703
>>15942564
>Clannad the vn, is supposedly to be about drama and romance but the predominant aspect of its run of the mill comedy and slice of life aspects. It certainly hurts the vn. It had some decent moments, but pretty much all those moments were comedic and rediculous.
complaining about common routes may as well just be complaining about the entire genre
d28990 No.15942705
>>15942481
Clannad's was probably one of the worst and most boring novels I've ever seen ever. I couldn't bring myself to get past even 2 hours of it, so I ended up going on the wiki to exactly what happens and nothing happened in this entire novel. It tries to be all dramatic, yet absolutely nothing worth being dramatic ever happens. The forced attempts at bringing about humor throughout the entire vn weren't funny at all and just made it a huge cringe fest.
Honestly 3/10. It and everything key has ever produced was nothing but copycat drivel that normalfags grovel at. If you want to experience a great vn that pulls at your heart strings, try a dream of summer because at least that doesn't have every single character be a totally generic that's just there to fill out the roles like >>15942456 pointed out. It also doesn't have every single character be some more type. At least a vn like grisia had an excuse for this. But clannad has absolutely none. Making it pandering trash and poorly written drivel only normalfags would like.
d28990 No.15942717
>>15942705
>character be some more type
*moe type
e0730c No.15942737
>>15942705
>I played the common route only
>my opinion is valid
Nope. If you only read the outcome to each route or the story in general rather than reading the entire fucking buildup off up to 100 hours then yeah it's going to be shit you fucking idiot.
>yet absolutely nothing worth being dramatic ever happens
>Kotomi loses her parents
>nagisa dies and so does her kid
>Yukine loses her brother
>Misae's boyfriend turns into a cat because the light orbs are a bunch of fucking cunts
>tomoyo a cute
Mei, Sunohara and Koumura's routes were pretty boring though.
It's like you read the beginning of mub lub and within two hours decided it was a shit fest without actually getting into the story.
You probably just have shit taste friend.
c60812 No.15942799
>>15942737
>Something that happens to everyone (besides the rediculous cat nonsense)
>S-see guys it's totally dramatic
Wow, what a sob story. I totally feel so sorrowful for them. I bet you actually liked rewrite. In fact, to a certain respect, it's exactly like rewrite…
>You helping the characters so you can get them to fall in love with you with absolutely no "build up" to it.
Key does the bare minimum as far as stories go and the fact they are so popular is because of this fact. They try to appeal to the widest audience possible making their work sub-par watered down shit.
e0730c No.15942852
>>15942799
>>S-see guys it's totally dramatic
>people die
>this is sad
>haha this happens often so it's not dramatic or sad
???
>>You helping the characters so you can get them to fall in love with you with absolutely no "build up" to it.
Hang on a second here friend, you said you only played two hours? Correct? If that's true then you know jack shit, I'm not going to bother putting effort into talking about something I enjoy if you're not even going to play it for more than the common route.
ec0058 No.15942944
>>15942737
>Family member dies sob story cliche
Also:
>You probably just have shit taste friend.
>A dream of summer
>Shit taste
Are you a living joke? Milk Cat proved indisputably that you don't need thousands of dollars to make a good vn that's actually original for a change. He does not have shit taste idiot.
>>15942852
Are you a newfag? Do you not know what an id is? He's not the same person you are replying to. Unless of course you want to say he's using a proxy (which you have no proof of), I find your point redicious.
>E-every criticism someone makes of my favorite vn is nothing but a common route
I should not have to explain why your assumptions are childish and bullshit. All I'm going to say is that clannad was decent but way overrated. I don't think it deserved all the attention it got.
fa1095 No.15946021
So I got around to playing muv luv series, it was a fun ride but alternative was kinetic and it was kinda boring at times along with some predictable moments like with jinguuji and capt izumi deaths. It’s a shame theres no Kasumi route and she was the only character I would have romanced the senseis had the best ecchi scenes tbh. Are there any good mecha vn with meaningful choices?
eda93d No.15946026
>>15946021
>she was the only character I would have romanced
Great taste anon, Kasumi was my favorite too. It's not too heavy on choices but Demonbane is pretty fun.
fa1095 No.15946155
>>15946026
Yea Kasumi was the only character that had the best interactions, most of muv luv unlimited I was looking for options to romance her and I was bummed out that you couldnt even though she had the most memorable moments. I found demonsbane buried in my backlog when you mentioned it cause the name sounded familiar and im gonna start playing it as my next vn, thank you for the rec.
c5e491 No.15946606
>>15942852
>>15942737
>>15942481
Visual novels that I have completed before this were Muv-luv and ignanock (not even mentioning real novels), and I expected this to be far superior to these two vns because of dealing with something as surreal as family and coming of age themes in a realistic setting. I waited over half a year for the english release to come out and instantly bought it when it arrived. Well, having reached the true end after 50 hours of reading, I have to say I was disappointed. It was extremely difficult for me to enjoy the story because it's riddled with so many dramaturgical blunders, the major ones being:
>Cartoonish protagonists and forcibly inducing drama.
Pretty much the entire cast is made up of generic harem/moe characters, and very sloppy ones at that. There's the a tsundere, the kind woman, shy clumsy girl, manchild, a retarded comic relief buddy, and so on. All of them do not even behave even remotely like real flesh and blood, complex people do (with only a couple "brilliant" exceptions like Yoshino and Tomoyo). The most terrible offender is nagisa, who is the very first woman the main protagonist meets up with and the predominant love interest, and the try hard likability of what the after story section so heavily relies on. Putting it more bluntly, she is an absolute imbecile. She acts exactly like some five-year-old would, never achieves a single thing by herself, she constantly needs to be supported by tomoya, does not have any even semi interesting chemistry with tomoya, and is plainly useless trash. The very last straw that broke the camel's back for me was: At the very moment when nagisa - who is purported to become the head of the drama club she wished to create again - revealed that she (the 5 year old) had never even SEEN a single play before, I immediately lost EVERY SINGLE LAST BIT of remaining sympathy I ever had for this excuse of a character.
>The pacing
It was also far far too slow when factoring in the relation to the actual amount of story content that wasn't just filler. 95% of the time is spent up on the so-called "slice of life" parts, of which are meant in a shitty attempt to develop the characters, but in actuality are just filler. Resulting in it, is that the plot is pretty much in a stand still the entire time (besides muh sob-stories that come out of nowhere). The after story isn't any better: tomoya starts off life as a adult, starting a career and has his own apartment and so on. Aside from the admittedly decent apprentice mentorship relations, this part of the vn isn't told in any particularly engaging or realistic way, it just all happens. Very slowly.
PART 1
c5e491 No.15946609
>>15946606
>The routes
The routes in the school story (literally half of the VN) have exactly the same formula as the rest: tomoya meets some character, several hours of reading ended up being spent on getting to know their phony personalities, the sad stuff happens, and then the main protagonist fixes everything again. We could have learned of how their parents died, or something very unfortunate is going to happen to them. Do that's real comes from CHOICES YOU MAKE: it grows directly from elements of the story such as the main character attempting to obtain some objective, interacting between other characters with different worldviews and goals, mistakes made due to inner weakness in their personalities, and very difficult choices and consequences of those choices. "Drama" in clannad comes from the authors forcing every misfortune onto all the characters (Muv-Luv is also very guilty of this); appealing to lowest common denominators, the best example is kotomi's backstory. The problems of the drama come from the mind set the stories are produced in. Key, the developer of clannad, is a company that tries to specialize in creating vns called nakige, a crying game, games that try to make you cry and forget everything else important. Nothing is surprising about any of the "sad" stuff once you expect it because of the genre, and it is very ineffective when I there's nothing to genuinely care about with any of the characters. It's just shitty melodrama that feels exploitative and shallow
>The "sad scenes"
The most famous, so-called "tear-jerking" parts happen near the very end of the after story that covers tomoya and his relationship with his dad. After about 45+ hours of waiting, you can have the payoff, I was resolved in annincredibly anticlimactic and contrived fashion. Basically, just like that. There's crying thrown into it in an attempt to make it look "moving".
>The themes
Lessons in Clannad are inoffensive and safe, aimed at trying to make the reader a better person. Such as:
>You should try to be more considerate of others around you.
>Honest and hard work pays off.
>Sometimes things will not always go the way you want and you must look at the bright side of things.
>Always search for better solutions in problems that don't seem to have one.
Etc. You gain very little from these cliched lines of text because they were something I already knew ages ago or in some cases I disagree with. Irl, I have dealt with way more nuanced and complex situations than I ever read in clannad.
PART 2 AND FINAL
d0ce68 No.15946723
8f3317 No.15946728
>>15946609
>that pick
>some reprehensibly lazy pansy ripped-off Bishop vidya
He and his trash deserves to be given a delousing shower
fa1095 No.15946731
>>15946606
>>15946609
So, should I skip clannad or play it just to see what the fuss is about?
eda93d No.15946739
>>15946606
>She acts exactly like some five-year-old would, never achieves a single thing by herself, she constantly needs to be supported by tomoya, does not have any even semi interesting chemistry with tomoya, and is plainly useless trash.
Congratulations, you just described every real woman in the world except they have no likable traits. Aside from that difference she is realistically written.
8f3317 No.15946740
>>15946021
>kinetic
I hate this. Worthless.
If I wanted to "play" a "game" where I had absolutely no input I'd just flip open a book.
8f3317 No.15946751
>>15946731
Depends–Do you have a girlfriend you can take comfort in after you watch your heart get the Marsellus Wallace treatment?
Get ready to feel really alone
c5e491 No.15946841
>>15946728
I never even read that vn yet and second off
>Bringing up the gas chamber like the stereotypical Hollywood induced "Nazi"
Nice try kiddo. I bet you've never even read the myth of the 20th century.
>>15946731
Yeah you definitely should skip it. It just produces a huge headache for anyone who has an iq above two digits.
>>15946739
>she is realistically written
>says the nigger that has an iq of 70
30b743 No.15946893
>>15946740
Yeah that was annoying, especially with Alternative's interdimensional/time travel plot. It's a great opportunity to have multiple routes weaving in and out of each other that amount to more than just which girl you chose, but they didn't take advantage of it.
eda93d No.15946993
>>15946841
>he thinks women are anything more than retarded animals you can fuck
240591 No.15948189
>finishes clannad
what the fuck do I do with my life now?
08a115 No.15949157
eda93d No.15949407
>>15949157
>being a feminist.
c60812 No.15949431
>>15946606
I hated clannad to the core. It makes me happy to see somebody rip it apart like you have. Every single thing that people call drama in that pile of garbage are just cliche stories with overly dramatic (melodrama like you pointed out). If there were no "dramatic" parts to them no one would even give to stank shits about this novel. There were no characters I could bring myself to like were in this visual novel. The relationships in this vn feel stilted and lacking of any real connection between the main character and the women. Not even mentioning that kotomi is a blatant rei ripoff. Boo. If you want vns that genuinely make you care about the characters, try if my heart had wings, grisaia, or even maji de watashi. Kazuko's story was far more interesting and compelling then any of the cliches you'll ever find in clannad.
>>15946993
Being "realistic" as in, having the characters act in such a way that they give off emotions that actually feel real, or of them not acting like children the entire time. Most women (even in real life) are no where near the stupidity and uselessness nagisa was at. If there was a uselessness scale, she would have broke it.
022218 No.15949475
I thought the his response was pretty well written. Where's your rebuttal dickweed.
8aaacd No.15949649
>>15927599
I thought the first picture of your post was from Corpse Party.
49e844 No.15949803
>>15949463
I've come to the understanding that the only thing you should care about is your own opinion, the past week of finishing clannad has been a mildly depressing one and lots of late nights to the extent where my sleeping routine got so fucked I've stopped eating properly again but it was definitely worth the time. Not sure why the other guy was so adamant on the characters being realistic though, it's fucking anime. Last time I checked anime had little girls jumping off a plane and driving a jeep while shooting a gun out the window. He can have his own opinion but of course, it is the wrong opinion.
3800e5 No.15949834
>>15949803
>Not sure why the other guy was so adamant on the characters being realistic though
>Someone who knows nothing about what makes fiction great says something retarded again
Everyone in this thread understands that clannad is a work of fiction. It's just that having people act in a realistic manor makes the characters actually relatable in some way shape or form. Otherwise you get grade A tier autism (much like marvel comics or something similar).
49e844 No.15949839
>>15949834
>It's just that having people act in a realistic manor makes the characters actually relatable in some way shape or form
It was good enough for me to enjoy so I don't really care all that much.
0021a8 No.15949859
>>15949803
I wasn't lying before when I said it ripped out my heart and replaced it. I could give you some sob story about what happened to me but suffice to say that when I played this back in 2012 it made me feel alive again. Furukawa's acting like a family, daily interactions at school even tomoyo's lesson of not regretting Nagisa or end up losing her. It helped me realize long dead emotions like happiness and sadness and helped me get more in touch with them,
I don't regret going through it, never will if it helped me grow that much.
99b90b No.15949866
>>15949803
>>15949834
>>15949839
The older I get the more I need the world that is set up by the fiction to always stick to the rules it sets itself up with, and to not suddenly either break those rules or create new rules which didn't exist before for no good reason. I haven't read Clannad but if it doesn't stick to the rules it purports to run by then it is a failure as its own original story. This is the same reason a large majority of movies to have released in the last 10-20 years (maybe more for those who care about movies) have been so awful, and why both movies and TV are generally not worth an engaged viewer's time anymore.
49e844 No.15949874
>>15949859
I adore the story as well, definitely got me teared up quite a few times more than I'm happy to admit but I never really had what you had at least, but it's great to know that an autistic visual novel that can at least bring you back a bit. snowfield is the best song in the ost, having seen the anime before the visual novel as soon as that fucking song played my mind knew exactly what was about to fucking happen and all of a sudden Ushio is dying
>>15949866
It follows its own rules perfectly fine from what I had seen, there's nothing all of a sudden added in the end to give a deus ex machina, throughout the entire game you're helping others and gathering orbs of light so in the end you helping others allows you to be helped so you can actually be happy. I'm sure the other anon will disagree but I'd definitely say at least give the vn or anime a try. It's not as bad as he's making it out to be, I will admit the characters can seem a bit off at times, every show has that but it's definitely a good show/visual novel in my opinion.
I'm able to enjoy a lot of movies nowadays either way so maybe my taste is shit afterall, but I don't really care. Clannad to me is a very important piece of work and I'd always recommend you play it yourself first rather than just listening to random people on the internet, in the end your own opinion is what matters not others.
c5e491 No.15949961
>>15949866
Well, it is an absolute failure of game design. Clannad is a slice-of-life drama. It was obviously trying to bring out realistic reactions by the characters and emotions that make sense given the situation. To say "I don't care about realism in this setting", is like saying you don't like shooting things while playing an fps game. It also forgets (that in this setting) that not ever single fucking character the protagonist meets is going to have something very tragic happen to this. The concept is fucking rediculous.On an unrelated note, the choices given are also shit. Even one wrong option and your thrown astray and end up with a shitty end. It would have made more sense to have some variation for the endings and like "good end, bad end, great end, etc". This is why vns with branching options most often end up like shit.
0021a8 No.15949970
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>>15949874
My favorite song would be 'To The Same Heights', got this nice even tempo that steadily picks up as you push through it.
'Spring Wind' is something I remember from memory because you hear it so much and of course 'Nagisa' 's tune is infectious with that simple piano that grows into the dango theme.
Good music all round, really mellow stuff.
49e844 No.15949991
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>>15949970
Personally I do absolutely pretty much every song, but Snowfield and Roaring tides are my absolute favorites.
f57589 No.15950020
>>15949475
they don't have any genuine responses to give of all the criticisms clannad recieves. they'll just keep going on and say that "it's the best vn ever" while ignoring everything people say about the matter. and if they don't, all of a sudden that issue doesn't matter to them. pretty much all the blather they spew is adjective laden and utterly devoid of anything meaningful. the fact is, that I don't even hate clannad I just think it's mediocre. saying this though, I absolutely hate most of the fans of this game.
d28990 No.15950087
>>15949859
>Second image
Is an obvious rip off of Rance. I can't believe you faggots can't see the copycat trash that clannad is. Even doki doki literature club is better. Christ.
cc6f41 No.15951028
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>>15949991
>>15949970
what about the soundtrack? from the kind of AAA budget they were working with, you'd expect something to go right for a change. it also doesn't compare to significantly lower budget vns like battle moon wars, forest, fate hollow ataraxia. or even >>15942089 fault milestone that matches the soundtrack and situation perfectly (probably the best ost in any vn yet).
49e844 No.15951093
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>>15951028
Sound track is great personally, music is highly individual though. A lot of the music can be repetitive which is a turn off for many but I like it.
The soundtrack isn't perfect though but neither is Clannad but unlike the other anons I wouldn't call it mediocre, though I probably am quite a bit biased due to the impact it had on me when I first watched the anime and that I've only just finished the VN.
speaking of soundtracks do you know what that one really good from muv luv was? I'm probably going to have go trudge through the entire ost again to find it as I don't remember a single note
Also seeing as everyone here apparently has better taste than me in VN's, are there any others that are decently long and will rape my heart? physically and mentally, I don't want to be able to fucking stand by the end of it Preferably more than muv luv, I don't feel dead inside enough yet.
>>15950087
>Is an obvious rip off of Rance
I've yet to play Rance, proofs?
>>15950020
I'm not genuinely responding because I'm shit at arguing, so I don't bother. You can have your own opinion while I'll have mine. There's little that will be achieved by arguing either way, neither of us will change our opinions at the end of the day.
c60812 No.15952760
>>15949431
Just kidding fam, I actually love clannad.
34d32b No.15952964
Sorry about the deletion of the second thread, I didn't authorize it.
3368b5 No.15952987
>>15952980
Deleting thread for one specific VN that was discussed to death years ago and is a lighting rod for sjweebs isn't the same thing as banning all VN discussion. Seriously halfchan's KS general is at something like #4000 and they lost count years ago.
4c1333 No.15952991
>>15952964
Someone created a second thread for some reason. Don't worry about it.
I should have some spare time tomorrow to finally start PM1 and take a look at that. I've seen the opening and it's a bit more simplistic than PM2 so if you'd like to help me create a little daughteru to raise I need
>Family name & Daughter name (max 8 letters)
>Blood type of A, B, AB and O
>And a birthday.
34d32b No.15952997
>>15952987
Yeah, but it should've been bumplocked or redirect here to the very least. my apologies about the ban. I already undid it.
3368b5 No.15953001
>>15952987
>>15952980
They're apparently 'only' at #3592 so I was a bit off. Still KS discussion is worthless at this point and that thread was just trying to talk about KS instead of actual VNs.
>>15952997
Which thread? The duplicate VN thread was literally just someone complaining about the KS thread being deleted after he spammed it. Seafoam was right to delete in context it since he saw the events leading up to it.
4c1333 No.15953004
34d32b No.15953006
>>15953001
The second KS thread, not the second VN thread. Either way a bumplock is more appropriate.
34d32b No.15953010
>>15953007
Yeah, THAT one was deleted. The other thread should not have been deleted.
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3368b5 No.15953014
>>15953006
>>15953010
Oh my mistake. Carry on then. Either way I don't think there's anything left worth discussing about KS. It's like Undertale where anons have wrung all the worthwhile discussion out of the topic and it's just attentionwhoring and porn dumps nowadays.
34d32b No.15953020
>>15953014
I agree, but it's about consistency if anything. Like maybe we'll lock the threads and redirect them to this thread, but they should still be allowed if people actually want to talk about it.
d40e23 No.15953021
>>15953007
>Sengoku Rance
Played that recently, pretty good at first but once the demon army kicks, kills almost every character and becomes your only massive opponent, it gets boring. No I don't want to have to play it 10 times to beat it properly.
d40e23 No.15953024
>>15953020
Like you said, when in doubt bumplock is the best option. It was an anniversary thread, they're rare as fuck here so I would have given it a bumplock.
3368b5 No.15953028
>>15953003
Certain games do not need their own threads for a variety of reasons. Undertale, Katawa Shoujo and Overwatch are three such games with Dota 2 being a borderline case.
>>15953020
Locking and redirecting here is probably a good compromise.
7cbeb9 No.15953034
>>15953021
>once the demon army kicks, kills almost every character and becomes your only massive opponent,
>No I don't want to have to play it 10 times to beat it properly.
How about once or twice, but properly? If the demon army is killing all the people you should have, then that just means you're garbage at the game. Get good, faggot.
3368b5 No.15953042
>>15953036
Are you new? They've been banned topics for years because of what cancer they drag in and how little of substance there is left to discuss.
34d32b No.15953048
>>15953036
>being this new
b5e7b3 No.15953051
>>15953036
>why doesn't mark allow goat porn threads
Fuck off retard
b1ef33 No.15953057
>>15953036
Because the game doesn't feature someone saying mean things over twitter. Therefore it's not allowed on /v/
3368b5 No.15953059
>>15953053
>Seems all like perspective to me. Can you define cancer? What rule does that impede upon? Also, can't I just say that the Visual Novel threads, or the GBF threads, or the Neptune threads or x threads drag in cancer as well?
You clearly were not here back when everyone formed a consensus to remove those topics from /v/. By the end they were just wall to wall cancer.
>How can you say this, too? There have been Doom threads for many more years than Overwatch and Undertale combined. Yet Doom threads haven't been discussed to death and don't get banned on sight?
Doom has an extremely active modding scene that adds new content all the time. The others are dead games two of which might sometimes get shitty DLC of no consequence thrown at them.
d40e23 No.15953060
>>15953027
Shit I don't know, some games have very exhausted discussion, like Undertale. On second thought I would have allowed it since it's so rare, but bumplock any further ones made soon afterwards.
>>15953034
I used all my turns as best I could to conquer, but they still absorbed Takeda, Motonari, Takuga and Uesugi (which I tried to conquer but the game just told me to fuck off when I should have taken it over). Still not a bad game, I just prefer the early parts by a long shot.
b5e7b3 No.15953068
>>15953055
>hurr durr not an argument meme
>posting cuck ecelebs
The only person without an argument is you
b5e7b3 No.15953087
>>15953083
Imagine being this anally devastated because you couldn't talk about a slideshow involving cripples.
d40e23 No.15953096
>>15953083
We're a shitty obscure mongolian tapestry board populated by autists, not some high standard legal forum. There's a ton of stuff that gets dictated by the style and taste of the community, like which games aren't allowed. While Undertale and KS are questionable, some games flat out don't deserve genuine threads, like Overwatch, Fortnite, etc.
3368b5 No.15953100
>>15953083
>Have you seen old images of 4chan? By your definition, that was cancer. There were tripfags everywhere and memes not a single anon would be caught dead with were used frequently and as normally as we use periods
Sure and even /v/ here had its problems back in 2014. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
>Excellent logic there.
The developers realising they need some cash and adding a handful of skins is not the same as the endless amounts of actual content mods add to doom on a daily basis. You could literally limit yourself to only playing doom's vanilla content and its mods for the rest of your life and never run out given the ~25 years of backlog and the rate at which more content is being produced. Doom was also a deeper game to begin with while the others mentioned have extremely shallow gameplay and writing if any writing at all.
>There have been Deus Ex threads for years and that one doesn't get new content either, but apparently those threads are allowed by your logic.
Deus Ex does have mods actually and the game itself is one of the most complex and multilayered ever made. Semi-regularly people will post things I didn't know about like vidrelated and I've finished the game more times than I can remember.
You have the whole rest of the internet to discuss normalfag trash. Pick literally anywhere else but don't shit up the one sanctuary we have here.
3368b5 No.15953107
>>15953097
>I say this as a guy who likes to discuss dota 2 as well.
As if we needed more proof you don't belong.
>Also don't be surprised if a thread you don't like is created some time in the future.
So you're going to spam the board with stuff you know isn't allowed then cry when you get banned. Got it.
b5e7b3 No.15953110
>>15953097
>I say this as a guy who likes to discuss dota 2 as well.
>discussing ASSFAGGOTS
>ever
Thank you for confirming and telling everyone that your opinion doesn't matter. We already knew but it's good to hear you admit it, as it is the first step towards accepting oneself. Now please kindly fuck off to whatever shithole you crawled out off.
3368b5 No.15953129
>>15953121
>It certainly wasn't normalfag trash a few years ago. What changed? I can remember when Undertale was celebrated on /v/ as normal - that was right after the browser game was released.
Undertale was a forgettable game that would have had discussion die off naturally if not for the huge artificial push to declare it art by (((journalists))): mark had to step in and prevent it getting out of hand and the vast majority of /v/ agreed with him then and still does now. Dota 2 and Overwatch were normalfag trash from day 1. Don't try to revise history particularly when you obviously weren't around to see it at the time.
f2e197 No.15953141
>>15953021
You suck, git gud.
3368b5 No.15953142
>>15953141
Does this work on GNU/Linux by the way?
f2e197 No.15953146
>>15953142
Probably not. Mangagamers is going to release a re-translation eventually, should wait for that.
3368b5 No.15953148
>>15953146
I guess I'll wait. Maybe give it a shot with wine or something.
d40e23 No.15953150
>>15953141
>turn 132
well my first playthrough looked pretty much like that at that point
are the other Rance games as good?
08a115 No.15953151
>>15953129
Not him, but assuming your opinion of the definition of normalfag trash is true, would you be so kind as to direct us towards the rule which says normalfag trash is bannable?
3368b5 No.15953154
>>15953151
There are rules about posting nothing but non-vidya shit which is what threads on all of those topics are thanks to discussion being worn out. There's no need to derail this thread back into meta discussion. Best to leave the topic alone now.
08a115 No.15953157
>>15953154
Debatable, considering other threads which arent banned but don’t have vidya discussion, but I’ll agree to disagree. This thread has gone off the rails too much.
f2e197 No.15953162
>>15953150
It's more about the 3 commanders/3 troops. The first Rance game is mediocre. The remake of the second game isn't that much better, graphics excluded. Haven't played the others, but I've heard good things about Kichikuou.
3368b5 No.15953174
Just filter and ignore the metafag.
>>15953162
Would I lose out on any story by skipping the first two anyway?
84bf68 No.15953179
>>15953174
In the first one it's just the antics of Rance going around and doing shit, nothing of importance, unless you wanna see a few pixel art lewds of girls. The second one I think you meet a few characters who show up in the late games, but only about 2-3, and the lewd scenes in it aren't very good in it honestly, I think the first game had more than this second one.
3368b5 No.15953183
>>15953179
Right. I'll probably skip them then and maybe go back and play them if I'm really feeling it.
d40e23 No.15953192
>>15953185
We are and that's how it is, that's how it works around here, a sort of mob rule. It's only really a problem if Mark starts doing shit the community disagrees with, and banning shit games like assfagets and battle royale isn't one of them.
a5a550 No.15954213
>>15946606
>>15949431
The problem with clannad is that is fails to be a coherent story. As a novel, it fails on the most fundamental parts of being an actual novel. It's practically just a dating sim with no real bonding done between the characters, its just shallow bullshit. Basically, the entire game you go around skipping classes and "hanging out" with the other characters and one day out of the blue, all of a sudden your in a relationship with one of the other characters (that I never grew to care about). The choices you make appear to seem meaningless. If there was an analogy, it was an awfully lot like playing darts while wearing a blindfold. My expectations for the game were that everything I did was going to be meaningful and that the relationships were going to be very deep with great dialogue. My expectations were shattered once I completed the game tbh. The game is way overrated and not worth all the excessive time just to complete it.
5ffa94 No.15954280
clannad has reached historical proportions. much like how huniepop or undertale has. proving once again that just because it's popular, doesn't make it a good game. what i have learned over time with vidya, if it has a great degree of people (percentage wise) who love/like it; it most likely is shit and probably has a niche fanbase.
e33408 No.15954541
Is Yume Miru Kusuri worth playing? Looks pretty good so I'm probably gonna play it shortly. Anyone got any other VN's that are depressing and good?
f2e197 No.15954548
>>15954541
It's entry level, but still very enjoyable.
e33408 No.15954571
>>15954548
Alright, I'm trying to find more on vndb but not really finding any that looks spectacular. Might play Kanon afterwards though, heard that's a good one.
7c5d9e No.15954717
What's your favorite heroine of all time anons?
b7f976 No.15955137
>>15954717
>hear about this F/SN novel thing
>apparently it has lewd content and is good
>fall in love at first sight with this strange, cute girl
>think she's going to get a route
>it never comes
>she suffers throughout the whole thing
>cry at the end of HF
>she will never be relevant again
>she will always be stuck in franchise that's been on a downward spiral since the original VN
>she will only be remembered after a slutty fanservice show
>she will never find true happiness
Fuck my retarded heart.
b7f976 No.15955213
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>>15955192
I can still hear the music.
44da59 No.15955253
>>15938606
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are not, in fact, the target audience. Unless you're Japanese.
82fd10 No.15955265
>>15955253
Just because someone's Japanese doesn't automatically mean they have shit tas-OH WAIT
44da59 No.15955317
>>15942456
>Here's the central problem with Clannad: it wants to tug your heartstrings, so it doesn't think about anything else. Unfortunately for this vn, this means that it ends up being utterly contrived, unrealistic, and outright stupid.
Could've ended it all right here, m8.
>>15942737
It's like you read the beginning of mub lub and within two hours decided it was a shit fest without actually getting into the story.
But MuvLuv is shit, m8. Not even BSing, the writer for that series is not a strong one.
>>15946606
To be fair, Clannad was a clear attempt to bottle lightning a second time, as that team had done with Kanon. Kanon, while not some dramatic powerhouse, did have a means to have its characters grow on you, at least enough to care when various shit went down. Bad Things So Sad is a staple of Key and quite frankly it's exhausting that they use it in almost every iteration repeatedly until the novelty wears off (in effect, exactly the things wrong about Clannad). It was slightly more tolerable in the aforementioned Kanon, if only because there were actual individual dynamic stories being told per route. With Clannad, you may as well be running in place.
44da59 No.15955322
>>15955265
Be that as it may
>You will never be the primary income for most of these studios, thus dictate what aspects of writing, and therefore waifus, end up trending
84bf68 No.15955770
>>15954717
Maid dresses are cute.
621652 No.15960248
>>15955137
>she will only be remembered after a slutty fanservice show
This hits hardest. It's a bit of relief knowing her original version and personality is immortalized in the mobile game now.
45145c No.15960525
621652 No.15960881
>>15960866
Don't do that. Forced grinding segments aren't my idea of fun.
621652 No.15960946
>>15960933
t. someone who never beat the whole game
49fee6 No.15960993
>>15960946
You got me there, I'm still mid game.
621652 No.15961047
>>15960993
When I said that you didn't finish the whole game, I was half joking. I didn't expect that to actually be the case. Why the fuck would you fucking lie about a fucking game you haven't even fucking finished yet, you fucking fucktard?
49fee6 No.15961099
>>15961047
I didn't need to grind yet so I assumed that the game will stay like that
82df62 No.15963717
>>15955137
This is why I'm glad Tsukihime R and Mahoyo's next parts are stuck in limbo, because it means they won't be desecrated like Fate.
Except for poor Sion.
697e22 No.15964465
>>15938367
Finished Mahiru, Chiho and Rinka's routes.
>Mahiru
Most sex scenes, best sex scenes, still not that good all-in-all. It was a pretty relaxed route compared to the other two.
>Chiho
Her route was actually a bit interesting to read, however they kind of overcomplicated it by the end and the payoff wasn't great. Onii-chan being translated to "dude" for the whole route would've been horrid, but I solved that by speedreading through a lot of it.
>Rinka
I don't know about this one. It wasn't really bad, but they went out of their way to make it dramatic and leave an impact, then the characters started going in circles a few too many times only to end up on square one, but apparently that's where they needed to be for a happy future. I think it was my least favorite route, especially since I went in with slightly raised expectations.
Out of the ones I read, Mahiru's route was the least bad, but they're all really close to each other. I'll see if I can be bothered to go through the last two.
4447a3 No.15966357
Where can I find Monobeno with all sex scenes? Steam version sucks. Its worse when its not translated yet.
c1a2e8 No.15966739
>>15966578
If you liked G-string, Sharin no Kuni by the same guys is a good one.
https://vndb.org/v57
5155aa No.15967020
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15949970
>>15949991
>>15951028
>>15951093
>Those osts
>Still not taking my breath away
16affb No.15967022
>>15966357
Animebytes has it
f6cd89 No.15967063
OP your pushing of outright anime non-games on /v/ is a blatant attempt at converting /v/irgins to your homo/tranny perverted lifestyle. I detest you as a human being and encourage you to jump off a bridge. However, I respect your right to free speech and won't report your thread for being off-topic pedo shit. I might not like a homo using /v/ as a platform to pull his dick to preteen anime girls, but I will die defending your right to do so.
b1203a No.15967088
>Visual Novels
>Video Games
b1203a No.15967101
>>15938604
Why the fuck is she eating that in particular?
0b1699 No.15967240
>Start playing Utawarerumono: Mask of Deception.
>Kuon instantly reminds me of Tamaki from Toheart2.
Assuming it's the same writer, he really loves her personality. I'm liking the game so far though. Combat is definitely different from Tiers to Tiara 2 so it's going to take some time to get used to. I'm curious if it's going to be as hard as that game's hard mode as well.
>>15966578
>I personally believe that vns are still far from being a serious art though (other than exceptions I have pointed out). "Getting the girl" cliche has destroyed vns to me because they almost always rely heavily on uninteresting filler and not on actual story.
While I can agree with you in some cases, I actually enjoy that type of content too and I'm glad there's a place for them in VNs. However, I think going for that so much does hold back writers because nothing can really happen in most of these stories or else it will break that comfy SoL vibe.
As for recommendations, I would say YU-NO may fit your needs. I think it's in the VN Starter Kit in the OP.
https://vndb.org/v1377
>>15967101
Because it tastes good.
8e46d3 No.15967280
>>15966578
Go read Steins Gate.
0b1699 No.15967328
>>15967308
I'm going off what others are saying so I can't give too many details. Mask of Deception/Truth are tied together while they make references to the first game. It's not required to finish the first to play these 2 but some references will fly over your head if you didn't. Gameplay wise, it's a much bigger upgrade than the first game and the post game maps can be very challenging. The combat system its self is also considered very good compared to other TRPGs like Fire Emblem and Disgaea. It definitely has more depth than Disgaea. Also the music is considerably good.
I would definitely give them a try, however it's stuck on the PS4 and Vita. You can get a used version for the PS4 on Amazon. If you have a modded Vita, it should be easy for you to find. However, I have no clue if anyone modded in the original CG that was censored. If you're curious what it was, it was a loli getting spanked. A very bizarre censor indeed.
83a119 No.15967548
So I'm tryin' out the first PM. Penny here will my guinea pig to see if I can raise a respectable lady. Unlike Lizzie Shinkicker who you could send off to a farm at age 10, we're not so lucky. The options to what you can do with Penny are limited than what you can do in PM2.
I'm limited to the 5 options at the bottom which are to send her to the king but get rebuffed because she's just a comonor, listen to her reputation around town, change the items she has equipped, talk to her directly and go shopping for items. Schedule is lettng her rest, going on vacation, working at an inn, weapon store, scrivener, church and as a woodcutter. Education is Study, Military, Eloquence and Errantry which is actually sending her out.
I'm not gonna turn this into an LP but I wanna see what the mechanics can do and see how she turns out. Jobs and the like are rolled each day and at this stage she'll probably fail 3/10 days of the month she works.
And at the end of the month, I tell her to push herself even hard. I'm gonna turn her into a bloodthirsty monster, arn't I? Woodcutting it reducing Elegence and Glamour but she's going to be the strongest 10 year old girl you've ever met.
83a119 No.15967590
>>15967548
>Go into the forest, run into a wolf.
>An 11 year old armed with a knife.
>She fled before she fainted.
Back in my day, slaying that wolf would have made you a man. Back to chopping wood then.
>Can now work at a hospital but confused cold medicine with poison.
Uhhh.
>Harvest festival time. Go into the kung fu competition. Manages to defeat a kung-fu warrior.
She's an 11 year old so she's made of tissue paper but she hits harder than your dad after his 3rd bottle of vodka.
>Defeats a wizard because she has more brawn than him.
>Physical strength over mental strength.
>Penny beats a Gorilla with 150 health because she's been doing woodcutting every week for 4 months.
She's had no formal training and she already in the final round of the tournament. I expect it'll get harder next year but I wasn't expecting her to win so quickly. And she's a war orphan by the way, not some chosen kid like Lizzie was.
She lost though to some night. Not bad though for a first year.
83a119 No.15967701
>>15967590
Also it's one contest or the other for the festival, martial arts or the pageant. And she's turned rebellious. Great. Good new is that working at the Inn pushes Stamina which is tied to health so a few months there and she'll be good for the next tournament.
She's growing up so fast, she's already 12.
She's now sick and is undoing in a month the stat growths of 3 months.
>The Intelligence it's taken 2 years to build with classes has reset in a month.
Good grief.
>Sick right before harvest tournament.
>Didn't even get past 1st round, lost to viking.
Damn man. This is bad.
>Go through the entire year rebuilding stats.
>Get to harvest fest. Get past 1st round, second has me drop out.
>Sick again after tournament.
You know, I'm almost wishing for PM2 as I feel that's a hell of a lot more balanced. This is brutal.
a45cf1 No.15967758
>>15967308
They're set like 20 years after the first game. Mostly new cast but some old characters do show up. I'm playing the third game now and it feels a lot like a direct sequel but I can't tell for sure for now. Seems more closely tied to Tuskur and the old guys than the second game did. I do feel like a whole lot of stuff would go over your head if you did not play the first game but the overall plot seems to be fine on its own.
83a119 No.15967785
>>15967701
I'm tryin to turn Penny into a warrior but I can't send her out adventuring as she doesn't earn any gold from monster kills, just XP while in PM2 that was viable to send a 12 year old adventuring because she had done 2 years of farm work.
Who's ready for more bleeding of stats? It's basically -1 of every stat every day for a month. It's brutal. It's not so bad for stamina now as I have a job that's +3 gain per day of working but strength is still on +1 with woodcutting.
>11 Intelligence.
She's slowly becoming retarded.
And now I'm outta money, so now I gotta send sick Penny to do manual labor. And I'm not actually gaining stats as the rate of failure is up to 8/10 now.
I gotta say, this really does suck. And thing is, high spirit is supposed to protect against sickness but she's been that for 2 months now.
>She's gone from Halloween to Christmas sick. -1 stats every damn day.
Strength was at 120. And now she has 0 int. I saved up a grand to try and get that katana for 3k but blew through my saving resting and training stats to trying to keep them from failing.
There's also no cube, so he can't take care of her if she gets sick. I'm basically wasting time at this point as I'm broke and she can't work.
She's back now but all her stats are basically 0. If she falls ill again, I might quite as waiting 4 bloody months for her to break out of it and all that effort wasted was not fun.
>Falls sick right after I say that.
…
>Guides recommend save scumming stats.
I can see why. Anyway, I think here's a good end point. I've already seen how this is pretty poorer to 2.
>Stat drains are brutal
>Recommends sav scumming to get the most out of stats.
>No ending where Penny marries hero.
I can see now why 2 is so lauded if 1 is this rough. There's ideas here like the Errantry that were fleshed out into the adventuring, the addition of Cube also gives more personality to the household. So that's the original PM refrain, hope you like savestates.
49e844 No.15967914
>>15967101
They're in an underwater theme park for a week trapped, it's either that or constant fucking sandwiches, also she's a fucking idiot
>>15966578
Didn't see Muv luv there so I can suggest that easily.
>mix of fantasy and scifi in them that have good stories
Yeah, muv luv.
>I personally believe that vns are still far from being a serious art though
It always takes me out of it when I realise what I'm doing, it's weird. I enjoy them a lot and have spent way too much on many but it's like, you're watching a bunch of sprites speak with text beneath it, how do you even enjoy that shit?
T.person who sunk an entire week into a singular visual novel
>>15967020
That was quite nice actually, shame it cut off in the middle of the song though.
also I'm playing rewrite because everyone said it was pure trash, so far it's ok. Apparently some routes are really boring?
f17d5a No.15969044
>>15967914
>Rewrite
>A game that forces you to unlock all the other "romances" by playing through different characters first
>A game that has the protagonist fall madly in love with one of the characters without even getting to first base first
>A game that has the main protagonist have a "romance" with the characters while not kissing any of the characters the entire game
>Godzilla out of nowhere
>Has no problem taking out godzilla
>Game teases you with akanes ass and ohtoris panties despite having no genuine relationship with them
>The game is tagged with romance with the devs making that quite clear but nothing even remotely romantic happens
>Demonic dogs and ending up in an alternate dimension amounted to nothing but a distraction (we learned absolutely nothing from it). What was the point of that?
>Every woman besides kotori and chihaya (obviously best girl btw) was pretending to like merely to get you on their side while putting on a facade on how they really act.
>We never learn why the main character is haunted
>Game comes up with a grand reveal of all the school characters being the head of huge secretive organizations (this is fucking rediculous btw)
And these are just a few I came up off the top of my head. Don't say I didn't watch you faggot.
f17d5a No.15969062
c1a2e8 No.15969096
>>15969044
>we never learn why the main character is haunted
Did you not do the Moon and Terra routes?
49e844 No.15969102
>>15969044
My desire to uninstall just increased by about 500%. All I want is some decent story that makes me want to neck my self from sadness not crappy story telling but everything seems pretty half baked.
>chihaya best girl
>not the loli with an eyepatch
Though I have to disagree with unlocking more routes by completing routes to be a bad thing, depending on what it is I assume the moon and terra routes I'd say it's ok but only as long as it's plot dependent and wouldn't make sense or would be confusing without the previous routes.
eda93d No.15969217
>>15969206
Not sure about the other ones but >>15960248 is 18.
49e844 No.15969229
>>15967590
>princess maker 1 and 2
>positive on steam
>princess maker 3 and 5
>mixed
What the fuck happened? Also this game looks pretty fun, should I go to the second game seeing as that's apparently the better one?
>>15969206
Maid is probably about 16 maybe 17, Sachi from Grisaia.
Second is Illya I think? So either 18 or 12 depending on whether she's an actual human or not.
5483c5 No.15969240
what VN do I get to make love to lolis in?
eda93d No.15969244
>>15969229
Sitonai is explicitly FSN Illya's body.
49e844 No.15969246
5483c5 No.15969265
>>15969246
Thank you. I will be gentle and only touch them if we are truly in love.
c03d9b No.15969274
>>15969229
Go 2. Mechanics like the adventuring, duel and harvest festivals are all expanded. Stats are more refined, a better artstyle plus a multitude of endings. If PM2 Lizzie gets sick, you pay cube a month to look after her instead of getting drained stats of everything, if I remember. You'll probably only lose a little bit of health.
49e844 No.15969296
>>15969244
Definitely legal then.
>>15969265
It's some good shit, I meant to play it my self a while back but never got around to it, but I did look at all the animations from exhentai and god damn. You'll never look at trains without an erection again.
>>15969274
I'll download 2 but whats wrong with the newer ones? I assume they're just shit in general and out of touch with what made the previous games fun?
c03d9b No.15969320
>>15969296
Well from my knowledge after 2 they dropped the adventuring aspect to focus more on raising the girl like a princess. I haven't tried them out yet but I will in the next few days to see how they're different to 2.
49e844 No.15969334
>>15969320
I'll do the same I guess, I'll start with 2 then.
I can finally live out my dreams of raising a loli
f17d5a No.15969372
>>15969102
>Girl with an eye patch
>Literally the same girl that put on the potato act the entire time in an attempt to fool and trick you into liking her
49e844 No.15969603
>>15969372
I was just talking about her looks
>>15969320
is there no way to customize your daughters appearance? I've only just started so maybe you need to play it twice to choose how she looks initially?
c03d9b No.15969648
>>15969603
She's defaulted as to what she looks like but you can buy different dresses to change her clothes.
b8ae6a No.15969668
>>15946606
>At the very moment when nagisa - who is purported to become the head of the drama club she wished to create again - revealed that she (the 5 year old) had never even SEEN a single play before, I immediately lost EVERY SINGLE LAST BIT of remaining sympathy I ever had for this excuse of a character.
Maybe because she held a lot of guilt because her father gave up a very promising acting career to raise her? She was born with key-AIDS and his flegling career was abandoned so they could move to a rural area with clean air and start a bakery that neither her father or mother knew how to run at first (and hermother never did learn). So she took an interest in drama, and the drama club at school being the most obvious choice, to live up her father's dreams in part.
49e844 No.15969669
>>15969648
I see, I might need to restart. I went from 500 gold to literally nothing on her first dance lesson. we're barely able to eat
>nearly sent her out without any weapons or armor
She's going to die a horrible death with me that's for sure.
c03d9b No.15969740
>>15969669
Focus on jobs for a little bit. Farming is good for building strength and stamina. Buy the winter and summer dresses ASAP as they help with conditions when the seasons change. She can get sick if she's not wearing them in the correct season but changing should be automatic.
You can easily change the money with cheatengine if you want.
49e844 No.15969759
>>15969740
I realised that studying early on was a huge mistake, I assume I should have her git gud and be an op fighting loli and get money that way right?
I'll refrain from cheating for now.
c03d9b No.15969783
>>15969759
That's what I do. Farmwork will reduce Elegence but you can get that back later with classes.
49e844 No.15969800
>>15969783
Anything else I need to worry about before having her go fight a bunch of monsters and shit? the music for this game is surprisingly good
c03d9b No.15969820
>>15969800
Magic is good for later as you can just bomb monsters that way. Keep an eye on your stamina when taking theology classes and such as that can drain easily. Other than that, decent equipment and she'll be fine.
49e844 No.15969833
>>15969820
I gave her a copper sword and leather armor and she got rekt earlier, maybe she wasn't strong enough. a condor just fucking did 165 damage to her
c03d9b No.15969841
>>15969833
She is 10. You want to spend a year or two of farm work and classes then she should be strong enough.
a5a550 No.15969845
>>15969668
>All these excuses to justify a generic moe character in a game that spliced everything together sloppely
>So she took an interest in drama, and the drama club at school being the most obvious choice, to live up her father's dreams in part.
I guess it's too bad she did absolutely nothing to make those dreams in to volition now isn't it?
>She was born with key-AIDS
If she really had key-aids (as you describe it), then why was she walking around and going to school then? I smell a plothole my man. And if you want to say she wasn't terminally ill, then it goes to show that she's a worthless piece of trash that key kobbled together trying to surpass the by far superior kanon.
49e844 No.15969850
>>15969841
>She is 10.
That never even occurred to me.
>>15969845
>it's the clannad is shit argument all over again
can we not
920a83 No.15970849
>>15966578
>central plot that does not revolve around "getting the girl" but you can have a relationship along the journey
Thats most of them
>I personally believe that vns are still far from being a serious art
You read like 4 books that were meh so you say that books are still far from being a serious art? What do you mean by "serious art" anyway? Do you need it approved by (((book journalists)))?
908e21 No.15971028
>>15938367
>Bishoujo Mangekyou
that is a damn shame, are they going to translate the other games? I love the art.
>>15938545
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df995f No.15971040
>>15955770
Excellent choice
>>15938367
>When the hearts kick in
>>15954717
908e21 No.15971093
>>15967590
>>15967548
I'm still pissed off because they messed up with the original art for no good reason.
163f70 No.15971165
I'm trying out Collar x Malice to see inside the mind of a fujoshi. It's got good reviews but I'm not impressed so far.
The people have have cat eyes like they're vampires. All except one of the husbandos are creeps, assholes and morons.
The self-insert is stupid and reacts to events instead of being proactive while being treated like a low IQ object rightfully by the creepy idiotic jerkwad vampires.
Living life on easy mode is one of the blandest shit I've ever read. I was jealous otome games made it to the US but not anymore.
0b1699 No.15971205
>>15971165
But that's what women want. They want to be objectified by men they feel are superior to them while they are the main ones that drive the story. The FemC self-insert is usually a blank slate like the self insert male MC in most dating sims.
d68190 No.15971211
>>15971165
>reacts to events instead of being proactive while being treated like a low IQ object
So what you're saying is this game has realistic portrayals of women
eda93d No.15971275
>>15971165
Pretty much what >>15971205 said. East or west virtually all media made focused on women's fantasies are like that.
09bde1 No.15971283
>>15971211
But Anita said women don't want that. Could she have lied?
bf8505 No.15972130
>>15967758
>Remember playing the first game a while ago
>The twins appear
>Realize that said twins are actually boys
>Game hinted at the possibility of allowing romancing them
>The main character said he wouldn't mind sleeping with them
>The twins themselves said they wouldn't mind it either and constantly blushed at the main character
>I never got to see them get it on
>Not even a kiss
This game toyed with my fragile heart.
7d3042 No.15973078
>>15967308
The second game (mask of truth) particularly it's latter 1/3rd and the grand finale is strongly connected to the first.
>>15967758
>not having the impending terror during the final boss fight knowing the unkillable tank that will inevitably appear from the old crew or being party nuked by the dual magic sisters the final section really requires knowledge of the original characters at least for it's full impact.
>>15972130
The real question is how many times have they raped Oboro while drunk
>>15969044
>>Game teases you with akanes ass and ohtoris panties despite having no genuine relationship with them
The mc is fucking akane in her route (not shown directly albeit) it's even a minor plot point
>Godzilla out of nowhere
>Has no problem taking out godzilla
<actually gets fucked my multiple godzillas
>We never learn why the main character is haunted
so you never even finished it
>Don't say I didn't watch you faggot.
Sounds like a freudian slip for a faggot who only watched the shitshow of an adaptation of read just the common route/wiki since you make blatantly false accusations.
b7f976 No.15974136
>>15963717
>Tsukihime
I honestly never read it, but I keep hearing good things about it.
I really need to get to it one of these days.
c1a2e8 No.15974177
>>15974118
The fuck are you talking about? Akane is a heir, but one of the girls are actual leaders of the factions.
bf8505 No.15974224
>>15942799
>Key does the bare minimum as far as stories
Well, no shit. It's always bleeding heart bullshit with piss poor stories to back them up. The worst part is that the sob stories are almost always cliche and are entirely made up of some kind of external factor that the main character has nothing to do with. I find it far more interesting if the conflict is right in front of you and happens because of personal conflicts than the plot conveniences that key constantly comes up with. I was also under the illusion that sad endings/story was primarily supposed to be influenced by bad choices? Was I mistaken? Also, sad stuff bad was spammed so much by them that it became fucking rediculous at a certain point. These hacks never deserved to get is popular as they are now and never deserved anime adaptions for the absolute shite that they turned out.
7d3042 No.15974238
>>15974118
>It means absolutely fucking nothing when the game doesn't show even a hint of romance in the entire game key brainlet.
<Akane and mc cuddling up together, telling each other how much they love each other isn't romance.
<understanding her position despite initial misgivings and compromising (i.e. non-physical you faggot who hasn't even read the route) isn't romance
<coming to know the idiosyncrasies of your partner as you hide your relationship in public with sweet private moments isn't romance.
>rambling on about a side comment about a freudian slip
>non-sequitur
>irony
>The heads of the secretive organizations were in control of the organizations they run by playing video games, picking up litter, and fooling around the entire time
Like >>15974177 said, most are just random lackeys, there's hundreds of agents everywhere. Even the fucking common route covered this, either your retarded or haven't even played that.
Also,
>plot points mean absolutely nothing
Are you braindead or just baiting at this point?
>I also found that going to the same exact school (while being complete rivals while even joining a club together) was complete nonsense and outright stupid
Again plot points that are extensively covered in multiple routes, see Chihaya or Shizuru, among the first routes you can do, indeed even the crux of parts of said routes.
>It's clear that they didn't plan the plotline ahead of time and instead just made it up as they went along.
The plot points from common tie into the terra route and moon is self explanatory, all of the routes are full of foreshadowing, but then again you wouldn't know that since you haven't played it would you.
30b743 No.15974241
>>15974118
>brainlet
Opinion discarded.
7d3042 No.15974266
>>15974224
Sage cos double post,
While i'd normally agree with you on key, the reason I like rewrite is because its the exact opposite of your post with a greater focus on story after the introductory segment to be fair but the same can be said of 99% of VN's with the mc, especially in moon and terra being the most vital character by a country mile, heck in most routes he's the one doing everything and moving the plot along, as opposed to most key mc who can only react how much better little busters would be if the mc wasn't a bitch
ac8e8d No.15974274
>>15974118
>brainlet
>torpedo
f6cd89 No.15975573
I played two VNs today for the first time - Symphonic Rain and Dies Irae. What is this trash? I wanted a romance simulator not some slow-ass budget anime. I wanted stats and you choose your own which girl you're in love with and want to pursue, not 'click to reveal dialogue' trash.
How do you defend this? It's literally anime but with words to replace actual animation. I'll admit the apocalyptic intro to Dies Irae was ambitious but it was downhill as soon as pic related showed up and now I'm not even willing to read anymore, it's either boring or embarrassing.
Symphonic Rain is irredeemable garbage I'm not even going to expand on that, if you like it you have awfully low standards.
If I wanted to read a book I'd read an English novel, not some fag's translation of an anime novel or whatever this garbage is.
7d3042 No.15975765
>>15967063 (At least change id's or we know it's bait)
>>15975573
Then why didn't you play a VN that has more gameplay instead of what are obviously story focused games? It's not like it's a dichotomy argued to death with prominent examples or anything.
b7f976 No.15975820
>>15975573
All you had to do was read the OP and look at the recommended babby's first VNs or ask here in the thread if there was something specific you were into.
73219c No.15976093
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Anyone else excited for when they cry 5?
bf8505 No.15976398
>play mub lub
>Immediately get hit with political jargen and muh "racism" right off the bat (not even mentioning it was some small event that happened years ago)
>The "soldiers" don't act like professional soldiers at all, instead they act like civilians
>Adds a bunch of stupid "slice of life" moments in a military setting
This is not going well at all so far. I'm considering uninstalling and deleting while I'm only 3 hours in.
eda93d No.15976410
>>15976398
Don't tell me you skipped Extra and Unlimited. You can't just go straight to Alternative.
c1a2e8 No.15976428
>>15976398
You'll just have to learn to suffer like the rest of us.
f6cd89 No.15977233
I'm looking for is a more interactive romance. Like those old ps1 dating sims where you occasionally have a dialogue choice. I want a choice of girls where I pick one to romance at the end.
>>15975820
>>15975765
>At least change id's
happy?
>why didn't you play…
I had no internet for a few hours so I just played what I had. Must've been two of the Christmas freeleech torrents on AB.
6cb62e No.15977242
7d3042 No.15977333
>>15977233
So listen to >>15975820
>Like those old ps1 dating sims
one part of the OP is literally
>Nostalgic Visual Novels on-line: http://tss.asenheim.org/
If you want old school dating sim then To Heart2 is gonna be the most prominent example. Also for future advice, differentiate VN's from dating sims, for all intents and purposes their different things at least in what's usually talked about here.
For most modern equivalents that are purely romance/slice of lice focused with no story it'll be stuff like Evangile, Da Capo1-3,Dearddrops, KiraKira,SakuraSakura. Although as a warning some modern stuff unsurprisingly has shit localisation and are somewhat generic.
Honestly not my area, most vn's i would recommend even with multiple heroines would be story based.
There's also the, albeit gameplay focused, classics like daibanchou and Kamidori.
Just try taking a look at pic related and seeing what has multiple heroines, for the most part they'll fit your bill.
dfc62e No.15978335
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>>15970849
The guy you're talking to certainly is right about his assertion that visual novels not being a serious art yet. I have fully completed 160 titles and have 50 more (just sitting in my hardrive) that I'm planning on completing. I think the fundamental problem with vns being short of the mark of being competitive with real novels is that the writers are taking it head on with the visual novel perspective instead of just writing out a traditional novel and converting it to a vn. Can anyone even tell me a title that even comes close to something like halo the fall of reach? I'm having a problem with that. I think another problem worth mentioning is hiring voice actors and other stuff not worth mentioning. Hiring a voice actor ruins vns because it takes away from the overall experience by shoving a voice of a character down our throats and leaving nothing to our imagination. It also takes capital. If visual novels focused more on paying for better writers and musicians, visual novels would be so much better off. Personally, I think it is embarrassing that most visual novels aren't even close to something like ace academy is as far as writing goes.
0827f8 No.15978449
>>15978335
>I've totally finished 160 titles.
>I don't have to name them, what are you, someone who actually enjoys VNs?
>I'll list a Halo product as the pinnacle of good writing.
>All VNs should have good writing, doesn't matter it it's something like Nekopara or a Nukige.
But most importantly.
>I'll just come into a VN thread, pretend I go through VNs, know what good writing is because my opinion is obviously superior and degrade these plebs on their shit taste.
So this is what it's come to has it? You're so desperate to turn people off VNs that you stopped going
>VNs arn't games
and instead tried to slip on a mask of someone who actually enjoys the medium? Can see your gay fawks mask from across the horizon buddy.
dfc62e No.15978597
>>15978449
Your post is no more than a bunch of strawman.
>I'll post halo as the Pinnacle of good writing
I never said that it was the pinnacle of anything, just that it was a good read and their aren't many that have come close to the fall of reach's writing. Also, this novel came before any of the games did so it's not a product of the game itself.
>I have to post 160 titles I have completed so you can datamine me
Lol no. Also, why would I do that when I considered most of them not as good as traditional novels? The games that I liked were grisaia (nearly the entire series), corona blossom (all three volumes we're good), when they cry, kanon, rewrite, chaos head, koiken otome, maji de watashi, kamidori, moon, higabana (I like how the teacher got culled out of nowhere I was shocked), ignanock (the doctor had problems eating and drinking, adventure of a life time, miniature guardian, etc etc etc.
>>I'll just come into a VN thread, pretend I go through VNs,
I'm not pretending to do anything. I just believe vns could be so much better. Hell, most middle schoolers could read most of the visual novels out there and could easily comprehend them.
>>VNs arn't games
But I am saying they are games you embicile. Adventure games have been around since the 70s (most of which are text based) and all of a sudden gen z faggots swoop in and try to say that they aren't because it's not enough like call of duty or some other garbage.
c2ff23 No.15980297
>>15978335
Are you insane? Can you even read-
>>15978597
>lists only garbage translations
Oh.
>I just believe books could be so much better
You can't read
>most middle schoolers could read most of the books out there and could easily comprehend them
>easily comprehend
>google translated Shakespeare
You have no idea how much you are losing
If there is one thing about VNs that needs to be treated seriously its translation quality. As it stands none of those greedy shits like MangaGamer or Sekai are ever going to hire a real translator.
ebe872 No.15980878
>>15980297
>heh dude lets not make visual novels more articulate and a better read for everyone involved
are you serious right now faggot?
>>lists only garbage translations
as far as I remember, none of the games he posted were translated badly.
>>I just believe books could be so much better
he clearly specified visual novels idiot, not just books like you're claiming. stop pretending that isn't the case.
>>google translated Shakespeare
it's pretty clear that he said that the novel he posted wasn't the pinnacle of anything and never implied as such. also:
>you should post one of the best literary genuises and have a 'fair' comparison between vns and normal novels just so visual novel fans can say that's not a fair comparison
imagine my disbelief at this rediculous self-serving "argument".
>As it stands none of those greedy shits like MangaGamer or Sekai are ever going to hire a real translator
but most of the games he posted weren't translated by these two publishers. also, liarsoft is about as good as it gets as far as visual novels writing goes but still is not as good with a real novel in comparison.
>it's nothing but the translators fucking up i swear
why don't you post some vns that are well written and translated well? give me prominent examples that are better than what he posted or get out faggot. the burden of proof would also lie on you to prove yourself right if you were going to make a statement such as:
>all vns are translated badly
ceac32 No.15981126
>>15976410
You can fucking tell he did.
8b6660 No.15981159
>>15978335
>Can anyone even tell me a title that even comes close to something like halo the fall of reach?
e3d506 No.15981529
>>15978335
wow, you aren't even Reddit tier, you're Facebook tier.
11ee04 No.15981535
Soon, bros
Also, best 'raba coming through
11ee04 No.15981615
>>15981548
Not to defend NN's choices but the game's script is inherently very memey.
b7ee3e No.15981675
>>15980878
Anon, you misunderstood my entire post.
>as far as I remember, none of the games he posted were translated badly
This is what I meant by
>>easily comprehend
>>google translated Shakespeare
You don't know how bad it is because you can't read it in its original language to compare.
>>you should post one of the best literary genuises and have a 'fair' comparison between vns and normal novels just so visual novel fans can say that's not a fair comparison
See? You think that comparing Shakespeare to the best visual novel writers is "not fair". You don't believe its possible for VN writers to reach that level. You were fed literal shit your entire life so you don't even believe that tasty food exists.
>liarsoft is about as good as it gets as far as visual novels writing goes
Anon, you don't know this
>but still is not as good with a real novel in comparison
You can't read, Anon
>>all vns are translated badly
MGQ has probably the best translation out there, but thats not saying much because it was never well written to begin with. This is how bad the translation industry is for VNs.
ebe872 No.15981693
>>15981159
another nonanswer to his question. the novel at several points clearly describes the events taken place in very high detail, has an expanded vocabulary that goes beyond the most elementary level, and isn't filled to the brim with boring filler the entire time. can you give me examples of visual novels that have a good story and has all these things?
8b6660 No.15981725
>>15981693
>can you give me examples of visual novels that have a good story and has all these things?
Nope. Not a single VN has any of this things at all, every one is complete crap and this genre sucks total ass. You and the other fag can go fuck off back to the halo containment thread now.
b7ee3e No.15981729
>>15981693
>can you give me examples of visual novels that have a good story and has all these things?
Start with 装甲悪鬼村正
002b40 No.15982109
>>15981729
>>15981675
>we could have writing on the level as shakespeare
>no let's spend money on retards who flush all the money they make down the toilet on shitty voice actors, writers who have no idea what they are doing, musicians that suck ass, and programming a bunch of nonsensical "features" into a game
>all this while forcing people to pay a dollar or more for every single hour of filler they shit out of their ass
90% of all vns are still absolute shit compared to actual novels retard. You could go to a library right now and randomly pull out a book that was reasonably well written and have decent odds of doing so. But with vns that is absolutely not the case. Go to vndb and try it out some time faggot. Even if you could find a decent novel (that had it's moments), it would still most likely be something that has so much filler that it ruins the possibility of you ever wanting to go through the entire game all over again (other than playing for different routes). There is not a single visual novel that is on the on the level of college reading that I am aware of
>L-liar soft is not one of the best devs (at least as far as translated vns) that focus on well written stories because uh, reasons
>Comparing "translating" an English writers work (I understand it's old English but still) into modern English is comparable to translating a Japanese novel into English
Imagine this level of disillusionment. Also, cutting all the unnecessary and dumb shit from a game (while saving money) could easily be rerouted to paying for better translators that are actually worth their salt. I'm not sure what the point of that scapegoat you pulled about translation jobs here as the original points were that vns could be better but simply aren't for reasons the person who brought this up (and me) who have put out the points. I have yet to see a rebuttal of why our reasoning is wrong.
>Soukou Akki Muramasa
Well, I guess it's too bad that there isn't an English iteration of this visual novel now isn't it?
b7ee3e No.15982315
>>15982109
>>we could have writing on the level as shakespeare
But we do, you just can't read
>writers who have no idea what they are doing
*translators who have no idea what they are doing
>90% of all vns are still absolute shit compared to actual novels
I don't think you know how many books there are
>You could go to a library right now and randomly pull out a book that was reasonably well written and have decent odds of doing so. But with vns that is absolutely not the case. Go to vndb and try it out some time faggot.
You try going to EGS, Anon
>There is not a single visual novel that is on the on the level of college reading that I am aware of
>that I am aware of
Yeah, I can tell
>>Comparing "translating" an English writers work (I understand it's old English but still) into modern English is comparable to translating a Japanese novel into English
Imagine being Japanese and reading Shakespeare with google translate. This is how EOPs look like
>vns could be better but simply aren't
Anon, you can't read
>Well, I guess it's too bad that there isn't an English iteration of this visual novel now isn't it?
I know right?
Consider this:
>your country is importing books from another
>but when they come in, they have to go through a series of changes that are decided by the whims of the border patrol
>the only genre being imported is romance
>book readers in your country are not aware that other genres are even produced in that other country or that the changes are made at all
Do you get it yet?
002b40 No.15982520
>>15982315
>Consider this
That's not at all how anything works. If a government found they didn't like a literary work they'd just ban it. You are pulling at straws this point because translating with censorship put on them is ultimately up to the publisher/developers not the government.
>Asks for visual novels that are at college level
>N-no you just can't fucking read
>Imagine being Japanese and reading Shakespeare with google translate
Hiring translators for a job =/= using translation software.
>I don't think you know how many books there are
No I am fully aware of how many visual novels there are. There are thousands. That doesn't change the fact that of those thousands, it is very rare to find a vn that can compete with actual novels.
>It all comes back down to translation because Durr when someone said something retarded it was actually very intellectual
>Meanwhile Shakespeare is world renowned for his brilliance worldwide despite his work not being translated perfectly across multiple countries and multiple languages
d40ccc No.15982556
I finished ReWrite, while it definitely struggled in some places, like Chihaya's route trying to be Unlimited Blade Works and MC being kind of lame in Shizuru's, I liked it. Overall it was really solid. Akane was hands down best girl and the romance was definitely there. Terra was the best route.
b7f976 No.15982649
>>15982520
>comparing exceptional works of literature written by great men throughout history to a contemporary sub-genre of video games made purely for entertainment and descended from medieval erotica written by bored court women
If you don't see a problem with this, then I cannot help you.
I don't think anyone can.
If you want to draw any kind of legitimate comparison without looking like a complete dumbass, you should look to the prose written in the last 30 years.
You know. Things like Twilight, Fifty Shades of Gray and Harry Potter. Books written solely for entertainment.
But I think you're just baiting.
002b40 No.15982666
>>15982649
>>you should post one of the best literary genuises and have a 'fair' comparison between vns and normal novels just so visual novel fans can say that's not a fair comparison
eda93d No.15982681
>>15982649
>implying that said great works of literature were made for any other reason than entertainment
Quality has nothing to do with that either way.
>You know. Things like Twilight, Fifty Shades of Gray and Harry Potter. Books written solely for entertainment.
Those were all written to jew people out of money. Not for entertainment.
b7f976 No.15983345
>>15982921
>90% of all vns are still absolute shit compared to actual novels
>No I am fully aware of how many visual novels there are. There are thousands. That doesn't change the fact that of those thousands, it is very rare to find a vn that can compete with actual novels.
That is the main part that caught my attention and I wanted to address.
e33408 No.15983442
>>15983345
He's not wrong technically speaking but at the same time a lot of actual novels brought out recently have also been pure trash. It's a pretty dumb point to make. It's like saying every single video game in existence is trash because the majority of them are shit like cod or battlefield.
eda93d No.15983453
>>15983442
The majority of any media is trash. It's not anything exclusive.
7f7adb No.15985565
>>15982520
>That's not at all how anything works. If a government
Anon, you are retarded. The border is the language barrier and border patrol are the shitty translators, how could you took this metaphor literally?
>>Asks for visual novels that are at college level
>>15981729
>Hiring translators for a job =/= using translation software.
I'm telling you, those people are not paid enough to put any more work than a machine can
>No I am fully aware of how many visual novels there are. There are thousands. That doesn't change the fact that of those thousands, it is very rare to find a vn that can compete with actual novels.
>it is very rare to find a vn that can compete with actual novels.
>very rare to find
Anon, you have to start looking first
http://erogamescape.org
2035ba No.15986578
>>15980878
>as far as I remember, none of the games he posted were translated badly.
Anything translated by Ixrec is translated badly. In his list that includes Inganock, Rewrite and Moon. Majikoi was a Takajun translation and Taka isn't even a native English speaker. I wouldn't personally consider Aroduc (Kamidori) to be a good translator but it doesn't really matter I guess because no one plays Eushully games for their writing. I don't know if When They Cry is Higurashi or Umineko or both here, but Higurashi's orginal translation was pretty famous for being bad (a lot of Mangagamer's early translations were really bad). I don't know about the rest, except that Koiken Otome is shit period, regardless of how good its translation is. Of course all of this is irrelevant if your idea of a bad translation requires something to be borderline incomprehensible first.
>>15982109
>Also, cutting all the unnecessary and dumb shit from a game (while saving money) could easily be rerouted to paying for better translators that are actually worth their salt
Dude what. The Japanese companies usually aren't paying for translations. Even if they are it's not going to matter because most of the western market doesn't care about the quality of a translation, so that extra money is certainly not going to end up there.
9db58b No.15986702
>everyone wasting time and money translating yaoi shit
>and edgy shit
>and pure love shit
>nobody translating this masterpiece
Fuck everyone getting paid to translate VNs. I hope they all die of brain cancer.
a5a550 No.15986807
>>15977333
Wait wait.
>Symphonic rain has has 5 star writing, 5 star scenario, and 5 star music when that clearly that isn't the case.
The writing was pretty bad and the scenario was just cliche school club teir garbage and the music was pretty shitty considering that the vn is about it. The music was just stereotypical vn music that was barely mediocre. Even if you were to say it was better than average, you'd be taking it to an extreme degree to say it was better than most.
>Sekien no ignanok having shit errotic content and shitty visuals
Are you fucking serious right now faggot? The errotic content is better in this game than pretty much everything else on your list and has a greater amount of detail to them than pretty much your entire recommendations. The visuals (non errotic) were also very good as well.
>Swan song has great writing
It was about the most boring fucking vn I've ever read in my entire life. I don't know how they could possibly manage to produce a game in an apocalypse yet manage to bore me to death with it. If someone died or was in trouble, I didn't give a fuck because the characters were poorly developed anyway.
>The rating "system"
I fail to see how rating france shoujo can have so many stars yet receive a B. I also fail to see how visual novels such as kana, natsu, and sengoku rance can be rated higher than something with more stars. The rating system is totally fucked and at the whims of whoever made this garbage.
>The scenario not being apart of the writing
How in the world could you possibly say that the scenario is not intrinsically apart of writing? This make no fucking sense to me. All in all, there is no real criteria to rate the vns from whatever this is.
645ce0 No.15987074
>>15986702
At least it got some japanese pornographic cartoons episodes
I want more vanilla vn's
620460 No.15987113
>>15986702
>Pure love shit
But anon, that game is pure love.
9db58b No.15987130
>>15987113
Yeah, but the proper pure love story, ending with a harem of impregnated waifus. Don't besmirch this masterpiece with all those filthy no harem route turds.
2035ba No.15987140
>>15986807
I'd say writing there is supposed to be "prose" or "wordcraft" or whatever you want to call the composition of the text itself. If you ignore the weird rating system it's still a fairly decent list of titles, personal tastes aside. The chart is pretty old though. I don't think anything on there is from later than 2007 or so.
b7f976 No.15987168
>>15986702
I just remembered I had it downloaded ages ago.
>teases you with the best girl on the installation screen
>you probably don't get to fuck her
How will the others ever make up for this loss?
80cd81 No.15987184
>>15977333
"Depressing" isn't a real literary genre. Neither are "death" or "translated".
>>15981126
If anything, his own fuck up saved himself a lot of time. The writer for that series isn't very good.
>>15985565
>I'll make up bullshit to try to save myself from a really shitty argument
>Meanwhile he specically talked about imports, entire countries, and changing dialogue around because they didn't like it
>Anon, you have to start looking first
Yeah, yeah. I'm not replying to you anymore because you have made it quite clear that you are a troll not interested in any honest debate.
>>15986578
>Ixrec not being a good translator
Wtf are you talking about stupid nigger? His translations were all pretty good. Especially the lead translator of that team excells at translating pieces of work very well.
>Taka isn't even a native English speaker
What the fuck does being a native speaker have to do with them being accurate or not??? How do you think governments hire accurate translators in negotiations? Do they hire people from the enemy country? Also, native translators could easily be weak if they aren't very fluant in the language they are translating. Making your point is weak as shit.
>Higurashi's orginal translation
>Higurashi's old translation was bad therefore the updated one doesn't fucking count as being an accurate translation
I should not have to explain why this line of "reasoning" is full of shit.
>Dude what. The Japanese companies usually aren't paying for translations
<Most vns aren't officially translated therefore the ones that are officially translated, aren't typically being paid for doing it
>most of the western market doesn't care about the quality of a translation
That is total fucking bullshit. Most people willing to buy and read a vn (especially officially translated ones) mostly are interested in if the translations of said vns are accurate or not. That is no more than common sense and the fact you are trying to allude to the idea that is not the case, probably means that you are also not willing to have an honest debate.
d830ee No.15987292
>>15987168
Unless I missed it when glancing through the CG, you're right, you don't. Since I'm on the subject, I don't fucking understand why people want that VN in the first place. The girls look fat in general, with hideously shaped, sagging breasts and huge areola/nipples. They just aren't attractive. It's the typical fat faggotry "thicc" bullshit that only nigs find attractive. It's a shame because a game about loving the elves instead of rapeshit sounds great on paper, but this one ruins it all by having nothing but girls that are clearly fat and sagging, meaning no one without the brain of a nog could enjoy it.
>but wait there's a loli right? that's fine too
>lolno she turns into a fat, sagging hag with a melting face too
Why does this shit even keep happening? If someone went for the loli in a game like this it's because they wanted a fucking loli. If they wanted sagging tits they would go for one of the girls with huge, sagging tits. This shit keeps happening, so I just cannot understand why these idiots don't get it. Tamamo from MGQ is another example here that everyone knows. If you get her ending she turn into an adult with no loli in sight. Why? No one would go for her if they don't want a loli. Likewise, if I go for a titty monster I wouldn't want her route to be about her getting a breast reduction. Don't do bait and switch in a porn game.
2035ba No.15987301
>>15987184
>Wtf are you talking about stupid nigger? His translations were all pretty good.
Do you think this because you've read the original text and compared it to his translations, or because he was fast? Ixrec had no business translating anything. Even more when you consider the works he had a tendency to pick like Liar-soft or Romeo titles.
>What the fuck does being a native speaker have to do with them being accurate or not???
It has a lot to do with his ability to accurately convey things in English. I seriously hope the government is hiring people more competent than Takajun to translate negotiations.
>Most people willing to buy and read a vn (especially officially translated ones) mostly are interested in if the translations of said vns are accurate or not.
They are absolutely not. If they were Sekai would not exist after they put out so many trash translations. Moenovel would not still be translating after they produced what was effectively a rewrite of If My Heart Had Wings. I wonder how much that rewrite sold on steam. Have you ever looked at the English speaking visual novel community outside of this thread?
bcd286 No.15987310
>>15987184
>"Depressing" isn't a real literary genre
Since when were VN's literature anyway? vndb.org/g693
>The writer for that series isn't very good.
You're not trying to say Muv Luv is shit are you?
>>15987168
>>you probably don't get to fuck her
I assume you do get to fuck her given she has a cg right there but there's definitely a bullet seeking a skull if you can't.
>>15987292
I like big ass tiddies but I agree that the whole thicc meme is pretty bullshit, it's so fucking ugly you have to question who the fuck finds that attractive. pics related, two are fine one is not. It's not a fair comparison but I can't find a suitable image, you get the idea
620460 No.15987319
>>15987292
>The girls look fat in general
I'm ashamed to admit this, but recently I started reading HeroHero Tom and I must admit he makes fucking elephants hot.
80cd81 No.15987372
>>15987301
>He made a couple mistakes hundreds of lines of text away from each other therefore his translations are bad
>It has a lot to do with his ability to accurately convey things in English
>I'll ignore everything my opponent says and repeat what I've already said like a braindead drone.
Also, sekia and moenovel are not that bad as you claim they are. People like to be overly dramatic when about translation jobs because its not 100% accurate to what it originally said.
0855de No.15987400
>>15987372
>sekia and moenovel are not that bad
bcd286 No.15987442
>>15987319
That's disgusting anon, repent.
5ffa94 No.15987471
>there are visual as good as fucking shakespeare
>w-what are you talking about anon? of course visual novels are just as good as actual novels
>what? i have to name some?! what are you crazy?!!!
>the writers are so weak that the devs have to hire voice actors, directors, and musians just to try to convey a scene while not being dogshit
>I-it's always muh translations t-that must be it
>he's so autistic that he thinks that pissweak written LNs with visuals strapped to them makes his genre any good
>he actually fucking thinks that having hour after hour of filler is high art
Holy shit, I am laughing my fucking ass off at you faggots right now.
2035ba No.15987490
>>15987372
>a couple mistakes
He didn't know the word for living room. How many mistakes does he need to make? Again, have you ever read any of the original works that Ixrec translated, or are you just assuming he was any good because what he put out wasn't complete gibberish? I can post more from my Ixrec collection if you want.
>sekia and moenovel are not that bad as you claim they are
You're really just proving my point about most English consumers not caring about quality.
0855de No.15987552
>>15987471
>all film is dogshit
>VN is a genre
>>15954280
>clannad is niche
5ffa94 No.15987646
>>15987552
>Clannad is niche
It is absolutely niche. It's a game entirely devoted to nikage. Which is about as niche as it gets. Just because it's become popular over time doesn't mean that it isn't niche.
>All film is dogshit
All film compared to actual novels are that is for sure. Personally, I like vns because they're more descriptive than anime and are better written than them (usually). I like visual novels because it is a good median between novels and anime because you have better visuals than novels and have better writing than anime. Especially for romance games because I want to feel something for what I'm going to masturbate to instead of watching some shitty film or simply looking at pictures. But, if you're going to say that vns and books are on a level playing field (as far as writing goes), you are going to get laughed at.
>VNs aren't a genre
It's a subgenre of adventure games.
0b1699 No.15988404
>>15987646
Clannad has been one of the most well known VNs for ages now. It's right up there with Fate/Stay Night. This isn't even counting how popular the anime was. It's something well known to most people who watch anime and didn't simply start a few years ago.
>But, if you're going to say that vns and books are on a level playing field (as far as writing goes), you are going to get laughed at.
I don't think they need to be as you can make up some of those cons with quality sound and visuals. I don't think enough VNs really take advantage of good sound effects to add to the environment or situation. It's like how Higurashi was know as something like a Sound Novel. It relied more on sound and text to create the situation. Still, some VNs could definitely be written better but I don't expect them to have the most skilled writers.
>VNs aren't a genre
>It's a subgenre of adventure games.
Many VNs don't even contain gameplay and some can be dating sims (Love+), TRPGs (Kamidori Alchemy Meister), Grand Strategy (Sengoku Rance), and more. VNs are more like a combination of computer games and novels. For this reason, they can fit into many video game genres and none. It's just another Japanese story telling medium like LNs, drama CDs, manga, and anime. You even mentioned this but somehow came to that definition.
5ffa94 No.15989406
>>15988404
>Clannad is popular therefore it isn't a niche game
I'll say this again. It still is a niche game because all of the characters are based on the nakige. Every single route in this game is based off of this concept. This game, although it is popular, is niche because it is completely specialized for a very specific audience.
>Still, some VNs could definitely be written better but I don't expect them to have the most skilled writers.
>Many VNs don't even contain gameplay
What exactly do you mean by "gameplay" anyway? Does it have to have action in it? Does it have to be an RPG? What about strategy? If a visual novel has dialogue options and those dialogue options shape the story surrounding the game, then it absolutely is a game. Even if those options have very little effect on the overall story, it's still a game. So, you're going to side with a bunch of numales just because they have never played text based games before and don't recognize it as a game? There are also video games where you have to do things in a very specific way such as puzzle games (which are typically point and clickers). There are also missions in games where you have to obtain specific objectives in games otherwise you'll fail. If someone wanted to criticize visual novels for their linearity, you'd also have to delve into several other genres and endjng up attacking several others as well. Also, defining a video game is very tricky. The wiki on video games describes video games as an electronic game that involves interaction between a person and a user interface that gives a feedback. Defining what exactly a video game is, is very ambiguous.
>dating sims
A dating sim is absolutely a game as it typically relies on what I described above. Also, last time I checked simulation games are actual games. Of course, there are visual novels that are static that don't have any dialogue options. But, I don't see why that should ruin people's fun in sharing them here as it doesn't take away from the overall thread.
0b1699 No.15990026
>>15989406
>What exactly do you mean by "gameplay" anyway?
>there are visual novels that are static that don't have any dialogue options.
Those are called Kinetic Novels. It's a subgenre of VNs that have no choices and is simply a linear story. While these are VNs, they have no gameplay what so ever. No fail state, simulation or actual game. It's simply a digital book where saving and loading might as well be using a bookmark. Grisaia Phantom Trigger and Narcissu are good examples of this.
>I don't see why that should ruin people's fun in sharing them here as it doesn't take away from the overall thread.
We've talked about Narcissu and Grisaea Phantom Trigger in these threads before with no problems. No one here shies away from Kinetic Novel discussion.
620460 No.15991293
>>15987442
It all started with Methonium, and they say the slippery slope isn't real.
5ffa94 No.15991557
>>15990026
>It's a subgenre of VNs that have no choices and is simply a linear story
So does nearly every single video game out there.
>You have to go to point A to point B so you can progress with the story with absolutely no interaction with the story; in other words complete linearity. They are practically just interactive movies.
>A video game has to have a fail state in order to be a video game
What about games like Xe-A-Thoul, word tower, Opus Magnum, tidal, even the ocean 2, most puzzle games, etc etc etc. Simply stating that it has no fail state is far too subjective a criteria and often goes against the reasoning.
>they have no gameplay what so ever
Pointing, clicking, and receiving a feedback is still a game. You also have a highly interactive user interface of how quickly messages read out on a screen, have an option of toggling Japanese language, and can often tweak other settings as well.
>where saving and loading might as well be using a bookmark.
That's the same exact formula puzzle games often have. So, using a save slot is a 'bookmark' for a puzzle game?
988700 No.15991570
>>15991557
>>15989406
What exactly is a game? How exactly do you ponder these philosophical questions?
cfbaca No.15991628
>>15942456
I don't think you're wrong, but it really seems like you haven't watched much anime or read many VNs. Also your point about Tomoya not having motivations explained was explained in the VN. Its also worth pointing out that its kind of random how you fall in love, rather than there being a deep close reason; not that thats really a justification for empty characters. Either way the best parts of Clannad would be the Dad arc in the show, and the BGM honestly. The biggest asspull from Clannad was the ending that the show had as it doesn't translate well from the VN.
3dcc4b No.15991990
>>15986702
>titty monster vn
whats so great about it?
645ce0 No.15992606
>>15987646
>are on a level playing field (as far as writing goes)
they are not on the same level, VNs are way better.
ffc189 No.15996826
>>15991570
Something you interact with to pass the time, it's not a question you need to ponder over.
30b743 No.15996855
>>15996826
>Something you interact with to pass the time
Does that mean my dick is a game?
8e46d3 No.15996904
>>15996846
The more lines you put on a womans face, the older she looks.
Look at modern western artists that draw in a non-cartoony style. All the women look like they are in their 50s.
b7f976 No.15996962
>>15987310
>I assume you do get to fuck her given she has a cg right there
Nope, the game lets you inspect all of the heroines in the main menu and she's not there.
>>15987292
>>15991990
I think people just want the harem route and elves in general.
There are a lot of VNs with an elven heroine out there, but most of them are either untranslated or the elf is a minor character.
>bait and switch
I hate when this happens so much.
31d338 No.15996973
>>15996855
Playing with it can be a game, yes.
45a46f No.15997530
I just finished Higurashi's Tsumihoroboshi and, holy shit.
The VN pill is something else.
6ea4dc No.15997793
>>15997530
Story ain't over yet.
23ce47 No.15997929
>>15927623
Translation when?
645ce0 No.15997991
>>15991990
I think because its a fantasy setting with elves that is 100% vanilla.
f16718 No.15999190
>Chaos;Child on PC Jan 22.
c978c6 No.16000982
Any 100% Pure Vanilla games out there? I already played Demon world cave lulu farea and right now im downloading Kamidori Alchemy Meister
621652 No.16001011
>>16000982
Kamidori isn't vanilla. You have premarital sex a lot and also you own a harem. You do end up marrying one of 3 girls, though.
c978c6 No.16001067
>>16001011
>You have premarital sex a lot and also you own a harem
absolutely nothing wrong with that.
61d6d6 No.16001080
>>16001067
perhaps, but can you really call that vanilla?
6578e3 No.16001122
>>16001080
In terms of porn and real life, yes.
627eef No.16001131
c978c6 No.16001141
61d6d6 No.16001216
>>16001122
>>16001131
>>16001141
then it has been democratically settled. Anon 621652 is full of shit
620460 No.16002054
>>16001011
>>16001080
So, the thing is, is Kamidori like Evenicle? where it says it's vanilla but still have shit like orc rape pushed into it and one of the endings of Rance X?
0ddad3 No.16002070
>>16002054
>where it says it's vanilla
I really doubt any official advertisements for Evenicle claimed it didn't have these things, and I don't know why you'd expect anything different from Alicesoft.
620460 No.16002105
>>16002070
>If they don't specifically say there won't be rape in a vanilla game then it's fair
The point was that the game was advertised as vanilla because muh senran kagura artist and ended with shit like that.
But you're right, fuck Alicesoft.
6a9c5b No.16002181
>>16002070
>no loli heroine
No deal.
0d70c3 No.16005615
Kindred Full Chorus if anyone is interested.
>>>/u/52978
0d70c3 No.16005621
>>16005615
Redirects don't work with spoilers. Good to know.
>>>/u/52978
cbc051 No.16005935
>>16002070
>Implying there's anything wrong with any of that
620460 No.16005960
>>16005935
>Unavoidable rape
>Side character raped by others
>Group sex of one female and several males
>Group sex of several males and females
>Heroine raped by others
>Not wrong
Kys.
b1dd63 No.16005973
>>16002181
That's wrong though, isn't it?
cbc051 No.16005984
>>16005960
>Rape is wrong
Nice try but I'm not a feminist.
>Group sex is wrong
*Is wrong if there is gay men mixed into it.
>>16005973
Yes.
eda93d No.16005990
>>16005984
Sharing your girl with other men is extremely gay. Group sex is fine if it's you are several other girls though.
620460 No.16006012
>>16005984
>You have to be a feminists to feel disgusted by rape
>Specially if it's done by several other men than you
>Wanting to be naked i the same room with other men
Dunno, anon, you sound pretty gay.
>>16005990
This.
af5fb7 No.16006122
>>16006012
>>16005990
>By your own standards, yuri somehow isn't homosexual
>It's gay because other men have screwed a woman
Is tantamount to:
>It's gay because you aren't fucking them, the main character isn't you therefore it's gay
620460 No.16006136
>>16006122
>By your own standards, yuri somehow isn't homosexual
Yes, because, you know, I'm not a woman.
>It's gay because other men have screwed a woman
Yes, because that man isn't me and I'd enjoy watching them having sex.
>It's gay because you aren't fucking them, the main character isn't you therefore it's gay
Bullseye. If you don't self-insert, it's gay. That's why cuckqueaning is a top-tier patrician fetish.
af5fb7 No.16006152
>>16006136
>Homosexuality (being gay) doesn't mean having a relationship with the same sex
>If you don't self-insert, it's gay.
>By my own standards it's not gay because my imagination
Well, my imagination says that the other men aren't there in gang rape scenes therefore by your standards it isn't gay. What do you you have to say to that?
620460 No.16006196
>>16006152
Yuri would be gay if I were a woman, anon, but I'm not. This is a fact. Same with watching other people fuck like a cuck or being naked with a bunch of dude like a fag.
eda93d No.16006219
>>16006152
Only men can be gay.
af5fb7 No.16006226
>>16006196
But I'm telling you that I never even watched other men screw those women in those rape scenes (because they weren't there) and also self inserted into my protagonist. How is any of that gay?
af5fb7 No.16006235
>>16006219
>He doesn't know the definition of gay
eda93d No.16006239
>>16006235
Women don't have enough sentience to have a sexuality. They will fuck anything.
63adf5 No.16006297
>>16006226
>If I cover my eyes it doesn't happen
I'm really really sorry, anon, but it doesn't work like that.
>>16006239
This. This is why harems are the correct structure of human society. You keep them busy fucking each other, not fucking other men.
af5fb7 No.16006349
>>16006297
All I'm seeing is black screens for every one of those pictures. What was the point of posting these?
>but it doesn't work like that.
It actually does work like that because my imagination
63adf5 No.16006371
>>16006349
>Muh imagination
You can use your imagination for anything you want, and you choose to be a fag, anon.
30b743 No.16006397
>>16006297
>Side character you have no relation to gets raped
>This makes it a cuck game
I don't know why people have such a crusade against Evenicle and Evenicle in particular. Is it because they were expecting pure vanilla?
eda93d No.16006419
>>16006397
#4 and #5 are your wives. The game is mostly vanilla but that parts that are not are really not.
>Is it because they were expecting pure vanilla?
Most likely.
eb9195 No.16006460
>>16006397
>>Side character you have no relation to gets raped
anon wake up you are being tricked into defending cuckoldry by that logic watching cuck porn is also ok because its a woman from another guy
63adf5 No.16006467
>>16006397
You either make a full vanilla game or don't make shit. Evenicle was advertised as vanilla, and you get this. But that's AliceCuck for you.
1f1545 No.16007887
>>16002054
>So, the thing is, is Kamidori like Evenicle?
Kamidori is 100% vanillafag approve. I think Alicesoft doesnt do vanilla at all.
63adf5 No.16010268
>>16006477
>Torpedo is mad because people doesn't like his cuckporn
Rance is overrated. He is the Deadpool of porn games.
3a03f8 No.16011228
>>16006297
>>16010268
>>16006371
>>16006196
>>16006136
>>16006012
>In other words I have no real argument so faithfully accept that I am right with no credibility to any of my claims
24eb30 No.16011922
>>16005984
>Trying to fit in this hard
It's autistic to think "rape is bad = feminist" anon.
>>16006297
That fucking first image, jesus. Really got to question the mental sanity of those who enjoy and fap to that shit.
7a644d No.16012021
Reminder that if you play Kamidori Alchemy Meister you are a cuck.
3a03f8 No.16012035
>>16011922
If anything it's retarded to think fictional rape is bad. Question. When did this place become Reddit?
3a03f8 No.16012063
>>16006467
If anything, they advertised it as vanilla just so they can hear your tumblr ass cry like a bitch about the game.
a5a550 No.16012198
I personally have no comment on whether or not evenicle is shit but I will say right here: if you actually enjoy pure vanilla h-scenes you have no taste and are likely a normalfag who enjoys garbage like nekopara or some other trash not worth mentioning.
>>16007273
What is he supposed to be mad about? Yuri is probably the most overrated genre there is. It almost always tries to look artistic and thoughtful (or whatever) but usually fails at these two things and makes a huge mess of itself. The scenarios are almost always tasteless and boring and the art usually sucks total ass as well. That's not even mentioning how big of double thinkers yuri fans are. They often say that Yuri isn't cucked and that watching straight pornography is totally gay (what a load of shit). Yuri is probably the most cucked genre there is. Not only have you no possibility of getting involved with the women in a relationship (totally cucked), It is an entire genre of women taking other women and making them their own. Yurifags are such cucks that they'd allow women to have relationships with other women thereby taking the possibility of them being with a man. This is total double wammy that should easily explain why this genre is so cucked. That's not even mentioning that Yuri cucks choose to enjoy watching others fuck while not getting involved in any way. Genre wise, they are the tampons of people who enjoy reading vns and it shows. I wouldn't even be surprised if homosexual men enjoyed this genre considering the fact that their own lifestyle culminated from choices that lead to their own shitty sexuality. I really wouldn't be surprised of the overlap here.
63adf5 No.16012287
>>16012063
>>16012035
>If you don't like disgusting shit you must be tumblr/reddit
Being an edgy faggot for the fuck of it only means you just want to fit in.
>>16012198
>If you like Vanilla you're a normalfag
It's quite the contrary. (((Porn sites))) numbed normalfags so they can only masturbate with fucked up shit. You have to be a true patrician to find the taste in vanilla. If you like fucked up shit or need it to masturbate, (((you))) are the normalfag.
a5a550 No.16012380
>>16012287
Not true at all. There may have been a few normalfags who have done this, but that doesn't change the fact that the massive majority of people who enjoy watching fucked up porn we're probably already fucked up to begin with and not normalfags.
>Everything that isn't vanilla is fucked up shit
Technically, a foot fetish isn't vanilla. That's also speaking for several different sexual positions. I mean god forbid you having something different in an h-game going from title to title instead of the same shit constantly.
>Heh nah dude let's attack some trivial shit someone else said and not the meat of the matter
Yurifags are absolutely pathetic.
ec0058 No.16012482
>>16012287
I'm sorry, but the other anon is absolutely correct. Monster hentai is considered non vanilla and so is stuff like deepthoating (it never happens in vanilla games). Being pure vanilla pretty much means gutting your imagination and doing cliche and boring shit. Non-vanilla is not just "fucked up shit".
63adf5 No.16012556
>>16012482
>>16012380
>If it's not sex in the missionary position for the whole purpose of procreation is not vanilla
This meme needs to die.
ceac32 No.16013515
>>16012035
>fictional rape
My bad, I have no issue with fictional rape as long as it's got a good place within the story. Muv Luv for example.
b41e74 No.16013645
FUUUUCK YOUU
FUUUUUUCK YOUUUUU
0b1699 No.16016914
I didn't even realize the thread was almost dead. I'll get to making the new thread soon. I don't expect to find much news. I didn't even get to post some in this thread after I made it. Anyways, stay tuned.
Thread archive: http://archive.is/kO9zP
e20326 No.16020056
>>16016914
>I didn't even realize the thread was almost dead.
Hang on, I can make the thread alive again.
CLANNAD AND OTHER VARIOUS VN'S MADE BY KEY ARE LITERALLY THE BEST LITERATURE IN ALL OF MAN
And now we play the waiting game.
0b1699 No.16020344
>Implying any of the best literature can compete with cute 2D girls