/v/ - Video Games

>>15924723

I can think for myself, faggot

>>15924760

>criticize company on the largest platform available for discussing said company

>its the company forums - owned by the company

>its the subreddit - owned by the company

>internet cops (mods) called

>get banned for "trolling"

Who cares if the games suck anyway. Just play and discuss old GOOD games, then you avoid shilling entirely.

>>15924791

>>15924785

i dont even play these video gaymes i just like following the drama

star citizen/ea/wow shit will always be funny

We do have to be careful about company shills worming their way into fan made communities and moderator positions within those communities. Companies do know how to internet and they can and will plant artificial toxicity in communities that criticize them. I've talked to former friends that had seen smaller fan forums die this way. Only a few niche old JRPG sites remained until Square Enix rebooted the series to kill them. At that point instead of selling the domain and passing on the forum hosting to a new person who may or may not be a corporate shill they closed the site down. The fan Wikias are up, but Wikis are ruined half the time by shill revisionist cancer anyway. I'm glad Lufia forums chose to die gracefully.

>>15924834

Hopefully those laws will be reformed to make your country more business-friendly.

>The Shill-22

This one is valid. You don't have to get kicked in the balls to criticize it as a bad thing. It's obviously painful to anyone watching. However, you can't act like your criticism matters more than someone who Has been kicked in the balls. They experienced it firsthand and can criticize it better than someone who hasn't been kicked.

If you tell someone you don't like Fallout 76 without playing it, you can't itemize its problems better than someone who did suffer through its frustrations. If you attack someone shilling a game they like (let's face it, there no "paid" shills on /v/; just unpaid anons recommending their shit tastes onto others), they Can discard your opinions if you haven't even played the damn thing yourself. I mean, what would you know? You're only regurgitating what someone else who hated it said, but unlike you, they DID play it.

>>15924856

Absolutely correct my fellow anonymous forum poster, companies need to independent and not regulated by any government ever. The free market will most certainly balance itself, no need for rules

>>15924857

video gayme journalists play the games they review, so i take their word for it :) they know best

guess i better spent 60 buck on ur shit game

>>15924879

Oh, I didn't realize I was dealing with a retard here. Bottom Line:

"People who hated a game and did play it", are able to criticize it better than "people who hated a game but didn't play it".

>>15924899

What about people who become completely addicted and beholden to a game? Should their views be treated with respect?

Many modern video games use extremely exploitative psychological techniques to make their fans addicts. FIFA with its FUT game mode is a perfect example (turning kids into gambling addicts etc.). One side effect is that many of the people who play these games the most are the least able to view them objectively.

>>15924723

>The Tinfoil Hat

I agree with this but it never hurts to source your claim, especially if you're doing a throwaway "this game/dev are SJWs!"

>>15924930

Yeah but the thing is the person asking for the source is almost doing it disingenuously (especially on a site like reddit), and their standard of evidence is such that you could never meet it.

>>15924956

>uhhh, asshole, there's a difference between CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and just plain bashing!

I don't understand op, why do you hate free market capitalism so much?

>>15924971

Isn't it weird how these erstwhile Leftists transform into the most vile sort of libertarian extremist when it comes to stuff like this?

>>15924956

>*jewish/slav image* "it's a European game so it's good!"

>>15924946

i'm not the one arguing against logic here, ergo no u.

>>15924956

>"it's good, you just can't appreciate it!"

>"it's good, it's just meant for people with different tastes!"

>"it's good, you just can't accept/don't like change!"

>"you aren't a real fan because you don't like $THING"

>"you're not part of the game's intended demographic anyway"

etc.

>>15925007

>jews and slavs

>european

Does europe even make games anymore?

>>15924956

>If you don't like it just don't play it!

>The devs worked hard and need to be paid!

>[food analogy]

>>15925004

Ideally capitalism would exist without usury and the free market would thrive, while still allowing for some socialist handouts for those truly in hard times (eg illness or injury through no fault of their own)

A more adjusted opinion would be that any political and social system is inherently flawed when taken to an extreme and distorted by handwringing happy merchants

>>15925012

yeah they made the smash hit pirate game for the xbox one i forgot the name of. also stalker. same people, literally.

>>15924834

the russian voice only makes it even funnier

>>15925066

>complementing objectively terrible games made by leftists isn't shilling

While I'm sure there are actual shills here, their numbers are exaggerated. I'm of the opinion that the average /v/ user is just that stupid these days.

>>15924971

>>Capitalism

>Another word for judaism

>>15925004

Capitalism and Communism were literally allied in destroying Europe in WW2. All the bullshit about the Cold War was just a tactic to keep us caged: the elites in both East and West were the same.

>>15925105

Oh yeah most shills aren't paid. They do it for free like this guy >>15925066

I think a lot of "shilling" is probably just retards blindly siding with corporations. People are brainwashed into uncritical consumption their whole lives through PR departments. Things like catchy jingles in commercials, "nice" public figures interacting on social media, "funny" ads. People get sucked into all this shit and don't even notice their ass is getting raped vigorously. Consumer skepticism should be a key value taught to everyone but hardly gets mentioned unless some serious shit goes down.

>>15925225

yep, pretty much

>Modern video gaymers lack the capacity to tolerate anything mildly upsetting in-game

I think it's more that the devs/pubs/mods are trying to create a certain type of community. Like how the commies wanted to great a New Soviet Man

Let me tell about one of the most effective shill tactics of all time: /vg/

>start with a board about video games

>some series are larger and more popular than others, essentially there's always an active thread discussing things like WoW, Final Fantasy, Zelda, etc.

>these threads dominate the board, crowding out smaller, faster-moving topics

>ok, let's make a board for these giant dedicated threads

>this isn't a great idea because after a few thousand posts, what else is there to talk about regarding any game series ever

>smaller generals start appearing for more niche titles

>oh, some appeared for games still in development, that's a little weird

>some people who are totally average anons and not the developers make threads about an upcoming indie game

>some anons who are totally not the devs' friends show up to make it seem like there's genuine interest

>these threads last forever, getting bumped back up when they drop too far down, this is totally normal after all, general threads are meant to last a long time

>eventually sucker real anons into supporting their scam and shit out generic, derivative pixel trash

And that's why Starbound exists.

>>15926651

>Business must never be free. All businesses must bow to the will of the consumers.

>Regulate everything. Always.

If only that was how regulations worked. Although (((they))) would figure out how to manipulate the popular vote even if it was up to the consumer to decide, rather than a higher authority that most likely doesn't even represent that consumer.

>>15927274

> With regulations, companies are kept in check.

But who watches the watchmen?

>>15927274

>Any discussion of current or yet-to-be-released games is shilling. All threads about those must be banned.

If they will give torrent link or download link with spoilered password in OP, so bot crawlers won't find it and nuke it afterwards then I don't mind threads for current year games being here.

>>15926811

Shouldn't it be somehow mitigated by setting limit to number of posts before threads receive bumplock.

Hello regular users, please tell me about how awesome GAME is

>shill OP creates thread asking shit along the lines of "I just got GAME, what am I in for?" or "Redpill me on GAME, is it any good?"

>Fellow shills come in (Or the same OP, if they can't even try to be subtle) and start to plug the game.

Popular on cuckchan and you'll see those threads here on occasion too. It's much more effective to paint a picture that a large amount of people genuinely like a game than to just shill outright in thread openings.

>>15925066

>somebody says something objectively false

>correct him

>fuck off shill

Ctrl+F influencer

0 results found

This thread missing the biggest point. No wonder it didn't get anchored.

>>15924781

I love it when even the dicksuckers get banned because the company are paranoid fucks who see

>Maybe this can be improved

as unacceptable.

>>15924723

>political shill tactics

disrupting all discussion of video games

>>15929760

The alternative, however, is thinking that a company's going to go under because of one flop, because the flop is "too big to recover from". This can be summarized as "wishful thinking", or "having unrealistically high expectations of normalfags".

If Nintendo could recover from having three out of seven of their home consoles be flops, Bethesda and EA isn't going under just because of one fucking game. Can they go under? Sure, and let's fucking hope they do, but JUST Fallout 76 and JUST Battlefield isn't enough. I don't expect them to, either. Normalcattle have the memories of fucking goldfish, and the moment they see Skyrim 2, they'll buy it five times again, unfortunately. Even if 76 destroys Fallout as a franchise, they'd need to fuck up with Elder Scrolls separately, which of course can happen, but I'm doubtful.

Hell, aside for Blizzard being dissolved into Activision, the only big company I see potentially going under within the next ten years (barring some big miracle incident) is Valve. As "too big to fail" as they seem, Tencent playing their cards right with the Epic store could fuck them over. And Tencent taking sneezes worth more than Valve's entire company certainly helps. They probably wouldn't mind investing a billion or two to potentially take the fucking market over. For as shit as Valve is, it's scary to think about.

>>15929795

>This can be summarized as

the mentality that enables clickbait

>>15929927

>/v/ is, and always will be, /pol/.

lol, you cycle through users so fast. go invite more redditors

>>15929939

your willingness to defend that which poisons the entirety of 8chan for a temporary boost in activity says everything about your nature. youve absolutely sacked /pol/ and its nothing but reddit and twitter now. you should be ashamed.

Every modern video company shills today, in fact thats the job their pr department not just damage control when a scandal breaks out, i could say thats their main job. As for retards that defend corporations ive long suspected that they project their lack of a father figure on the corporations. Think about it a lot of these kids are growing up in a single mother household, in their eyes they can do no wrong.

>>15929986

>hes given up defending it because he cant and its eating away at him

>>15929492

OP here. To be honest I have no idea why this wasn't anchored. In my experience the mods of this board are among lowest piece of sub-human shit on 8chan and that's saying something. I almost always get banned when I post here and that's very occasionally, almost always for stuff like this.

I think you may be on to something though. I must have missed something big haha

Also, ever notice how Leftists have become the biggest corporate dicksucks of them all?

I mean this thread isn't necessarily partisan but the only people who are gonna complain when you call out shilling are Leftists. Because they support the corporations doing the shilling.

>>15929717

>"Correcting" without any proof is also shilling.

Sure thing. You'll get called a shill if you dare point out that 20,000 consistent users on Steam after a few weeks doesn't mean a blunder of the century.

>>15929927

>a company as hated as Tencent

Most people don't know what it is. Who really hates Tencent? Hell, most people only know them as the companies they own - Epic, Riot and all that - and not them themselves. Can you really tell me that if you asked a hundred normalfags, more than one would know Tencent? I don't believe that. Seems just like a case of believing that /v/ is an active representation of real life.

>Yes, they can go under just because of one single flop. What happened in past years doesn't apply anymore. There is a massive spread of information whenever a new game flops, preventing people from wasting money on it. There is also the increasingly high costs of making current games, with also (((marketing))) draining all money. A single product that cost too much to be made and marketed can bring down a whole company when it flops.

The difference is that most companies are not dependent on one game, really. If by some miracle an R* game flopped, yes, they could be at risk, though GTA5 being one of the best selling games of all time means even they could support a flop. But I don't think some shitty rushed spinoff is going to kill Bethesda. If it was TES6 that failed, that would be far more significant. Battlefield 5 means more for EA, but even they could downsize, "restructure" as companies do and just keep shitting out mobile games and sportsball to keep afloat for a while longer while chasing trends with whatever spare shekels they have.

>>15930016

well see, your problem is that you think everyone is just like you, 100% politically motivated, so you only call out shilling when you think its a product aimed at the "left".

the fact that you buy into the left vs right propaganda shows that maybe you have some inner shills you need to sort out.

>>15930030

What makes you think I'm opposed to calling out shilling aimed at the right? I really don't care what sort of shilling it is as long as it is interesting/funny/curious. That's the purpose of this thread. So we can compile shilling in all its forms. I'd be very interested in any examples you have friend.

>>15930065

well this is a thread about marketing, and you sure are doing your best to sell something using emotions and dishonest tactics. you cannot be taken seriously by anyone outside of your niche because you are so damn far off track its amazing, so you have to try to drive away the users on other top boards. id like to say youre a dnc agent, but im pretty sure youre just that disconnected from reality.

>>15930065

You see I'm not sure that influencers are "easy" to spot, at least for normal people. They seem to fall for that shit. I mean the biggest advertisers for a given game aren't usually paid directly by a corporation, but they make money by playing the game created by said corporation so they have an indirect motivation to defend said company.

What's interesting to me is when it gets to the point where a company is so reviled that these influencers have to engage in a sort of balancing act between appearing "genuine" (which requires criticizing the company) and shilling (so they can keep the golden goose going).

>>15930093

No he's just a sperglord who came into this thread looking to have an argument and post walls of text. That's not shilling - it's just typical 8channer behavior.

>>15930130

If a game is so bad that I didn't want to finish it, that doesn't somehow convert into me being unable to criticize it.

here's some shilling, check my boards out

>>>/eerie/

>>>/garrett/

>>15930143

Mind describing them a bit? Looks interesting man.

>>15930130

>you cant know if our game is bad until you spend 60 bucks on it goy

>>15930139

You don't understand, the last 10 minutes are wonderful.

Oh, you didn't like them either? Then why did you play the entire game?

>>15930130

clarity and thoroughness are always desirable for sure, but depending on what kind of game it is you may not need to have a complete understanding of the games nuances to be able to tell whether or not it feels like crap.

there are certainly different levels to enjoy a game at, where someone might hate it at a basic level while someone else might appreciate some often ignored deeper aspect enough to overlook other problems. so that can be confusing.

>>15930152

>you cant know if our game is bad until you spend 60 bucks on it goy

You can pirate it. Or you can just state your reasoning for not playing it. But you can't produce a critical review of it. Merely stating your reason is much more easy to dismiss when it comes to criticisms. If your goal is convince others of your point than the more informed your criticism is the more undeniable it would be. Take MisterCaption for instance. He made hour long videos completely ripping apart shitrim and fo4. Nobody can argue with it and the only way to actually dismiss it is to ignore it and then we go into the territory of calling out of malicious intent.

>>15930139

You can fully criticize the part that you played, that can well be enough of a representation of the game. But its still leaves room for "well it gets better". To thoroughly criticize and shit on everything on a game you first would have had to experience it all

>>15930170

I might take your position seriously weren't we in a situation where leading game journalists produce reviews without actually really playing the games in question. In fact in many cases they are directly paid to do so.

So you are describing a problem that doesn't exist. Or rather, the opposite problem exists. Which really makes me wonder….

>>15930196

Also a review isnt about you justifying why you did something. It is to be viewed by other to convince them of your point.

>>15930201

>>15930196

I honestly don't see the issue with lying about gameplay in order to slander a company's game. Given our current situation it seems downright moral, in fact.

>>15930215

What if you buy "X", based on the false premises of the company that produced it? Because that's almost always the case.

Companies get away with lying blatantly about their product, and then when people buy it and are disappointed they get told

>WELL WHY DID YOU BUY IT THEN????

>>15930224

Yeah man it's the consumer's fault. They should be expected to see through corporate lies.

Corporations should face no consequences for lying though!

>>15930230

Yeah I get that. And I think that's why so many critics always couch their criticism in effusive praise (see: WoW for perfect example).

>>15930241

Well thats just a trick to make themselves seem objective whiles technically dismissing the issues they brought up by downplaying them.

>>15930241

It's not necessarily critics. Fake outrage that gives the game more exposure with complaints about shit no one would care about can be dumped straight onto the public, too. Remember how the greatest complaints one could conceivably have about Cyberpunk was that it didn't look like vaporwave and that there were no flying cars? And anyone who names some other problem with it is just grasping for more straws after the public was smart enough to see through complaints about the sun.

>>15924723

>companies exist to make money

>you're all just a bunch of entitled crybabies

>get hype

>passive aggressive mockery of valid concerns

>perpetuation of corporate loyalty

>etc

Shills are characterized by a general unwillingness to see the truth about a situation or product, usually in an attempt to disregard, downplay, or otherwise deny the existence of a problem or complaint. You must be careful, because not everyone who isn't ready to take up arms for YOUR SPECIFIC GRIEVANCES is a shill. No, the shill is a slimy cretinous beast that works hard to sow discord and derision. The shill will actively attempt to dissolve any conversation that they believe may be damaging to their corporate master's reputation or well being. In the event that this is not possible, the shill will resort to smokescreens, jumps in logic, emotional outbursts, and a variety of other tricks to either destroy conversation or sow doubt.

As a secondary objective, the shill is tasked with keeping the product or idea relevant in the minds of the general population, and can use what appear to be honesty and integrity to attempt to direct discussion in a specific direction.

>New Game Product™ will release soon

>Forum users may be averse to the product in question

<So, let's talk about older titles in the series, to keep the franchise primed in the minds of the forum's userbase

The thread can then be used as a pretense to gauge attitudes about the franchise in question, and to give the franchise as a whole some publicity, which in turn may generate discussion about the newer title. However, simply because this tactic can be used to maintain a product's relevancy, this does not mean that every thread will be used for this purpose. It is entirely possible that a forum user genuinely wants to discuss older entries in the franchise, and this is why accusations of SHILL are generally impotent, unless there is some substantial evidence that can be used to prove that "we're being raided" or that some third party is creating threads for this express purpose.

This is but a brief description of how shills operate, and is not exhaustive. There are many online platforms, such as Resetera, GameFAQs, any publisher's official forums, Steam forums, and reddit that are rife with these kinds of people, so they provide an invaluable resource for examining these corporate cocksuckers.

>>15930252

Yeah I often think it's used by e-celebs to distinguish themselves from "those people" (ie irredeemable trolls). As in, their criticism is somehow more acceptable because they don't want to harm the company they are criticizing.

>>15930254

This is fucking true man, really fucking true. I seen it all time with FIFA. FIFA "influencers" will make videos like "EA we need to talk" and it's all criticizing irrelevant bullshit. It just serves to advertise the game.

>>15930259

You are spot on with your analysis. And I'm glad you mentioned Resetera, which to me is almost the pinnacle of corporate dicksucking as it intersects with modern political concerns.

>>15930259

<So, let's talk about older titles in the series, to keep the franchise primed in the minds of the forum's userbase

This one is especially obvious after the negative response to DMC5, since its threads quietly morphed into general DMC threads to minimize the damage. Though its threads are a showcase of so many marketing tactics that it's ridiculous, like how microtransactions are a "retard tax" that a true hardcore player doesn't have to use, while at the same time a true fan will be happy to "support the developer™" by paying extra for cut content and using real money to "skip the grind". Or trying to remind you how no one ever complained about how they tacked microtransactions onto a 7 years old game before (which isn't even true), which means that shoving them into the series is now acceptable, and how it's exactly the same as developing a game with microtransactions in mind from the ground up.

I'm a fan of Pol Pot so I generally hate private companies. but that would also mean no vidya so a compromise must be made.

>>15930306

>i like the worst sort of communists and also the worst sort of capitalists

wow so based and epic

>>15930306

stinky chinky

>>15930306

he'd fuckin kill you four eyes

>>15930415

>Video Game is a Right-wing hobby.

Your talking shit you faggot. Just because we don't like faggots, jews, feminists and niggers it does not mean we are right wing. Faggots, jews, feminists and niggers have spread the myth that only the far right hates them. We used to live and let live until faggots, jews, feminists and niggers started to interfere with our hobby. We are the TRUE left, we used to think everyone should enjoy vidya. If they left us well enough alone we would have left them the fuck alone but those dumb fucks kicked over a hornets nest what they did not understand was it was the biggest motherfucking hornets nest around. Thats why we do not like any of that lot. They made a foe of us for no real fucking reason.

>>15930100

Like bethesdas paid promoters. People excuse their actions, despite it being obvious they're beholden to bethesda due to them being the reason they can pay the bills and bethesda gives them memorabilia and toys.

>>15930890

try not to buy into the left vs right too much. its meaningless now that everything has been exaggerated to hell and back for the sake of making people feel like the group that theyre unwittingly now a part of is constantly under attack.

you say they made a foe of us for no reason? the reason is to force people to become irrational since groups 1 and 2 both blame eachother for everything since indeed everything ever falls into either category 1 or 2.

its much easier to manipulate and distract people when theyre already fighting someone else, especially when its infighting, and double especially when youve already made up their minds for them.

>>15931007

criticizing video games is trolling bro :)

unless you dicksuck the game you are a vile troll

>>15924723

Taking advantage of a culture of irony where people will defend corporations against criticism for the hell of it.

>>15932478

Good line from Confucius about that

"Man has three ways of acting wisely. First, on meditation; that is the noblest. Secondly, on imitation; that is the easiest. Thirdly, on experience; that is the bitterest."

>corporate memes

All joke websites are filled with em. Marketing via attempts at cheap laughs.

It's incredibly effective on normalfags.

The greatest corporate shill tactics has little to do with corporations and more to do with common "knowledge" that everyone parrots but no one actually understands.

=Muh free speech only means the government can't censor you=

Free speech is a concept, and there's been a case where that's been ruled false: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama

This is why you should never base your understanding of the law on what random brainlets on the internet parrot.

=Muh slippery slope fallacy=

Slippery slope is the most retarded fallacy in that whether or not it's a fallacy is dependent on whether or not the conclusion is correct. It might not even be a fallacy. This makes it the most misused fallacy on the internet due to brainlets incorrectly using it to try and point out a flaw in the inherent logic of the argument. This is not a fallacy that can be applied to the logical structure of an argument, it's only a fallacy when the conclusion is incorrect, which also makes it the most pointless fallacy ever.

=Muh unregulated free market=

This is the most retarded shit gamergate and the libertarian right has ever fallen for. The unregulated free market does not result in the highest quality in the long run, and it will eventually stifle all competition. Businesses don't become successful by having the best product, they become successful by having the best business and marketing practices. And in the long run, all unregulated free markets end up becoming a monopoly, because someone will eventually win. Or businesses realize cooperation is easier than competition. If you see an anarcho-capitalist do the world a favor and give him a free helicopter ride.

=Muh censorship=

So long as we live in a society, censorship has and always will exist, even if it's only self-censorship. People have been getting fired or worse for having retarded opinions long before SJWs were a thing. The problem isn't that people get fired for publicly expressing retarded opinions, it's that SJWs aren't getting fired for their retarded opinions, and people are getting fired for retarded reasons. This is the most devastating shit gamergate and the libertarian right has ever fallen for, and one of the major reasons they will never be able to get SJWs out of the industry.

=Muh democracy=

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting for what to eat for dinner. It's the preferred government type (or republic) because of its checks and balances (not that it'll matter for long due to election fraud), but notice how virtually every other aspect of society is either a dictatorship or an oligarchy? There's a reason for that.

=Muh bad tactics=

There's a game theory concept called the Prisoner's Dilemma. Two players can either choose to cooperate or backstab. If both players cooperate, they both benefit. If both players backstab, they both lose. However, if one of them cooperates and the other one backstabs, the backstabber gains more than if they both cooperated, and the cooperator loses more than if they both backstabbed. What happens when you've been conditioned into always refusing to use "bad tactics"? You get completely and utterly fucked by those who are willing.

>>15932882

I know that darkened one is just supposed to be mona lisa blacked, but all I see is ALIENS

>>15932882

>horse armor

Holy fuck, this is one of my big I told you sos. From the instant that shit was announced, I said it was setting the precedent that you could release a game without all of its content and nickle and dime people for the rest of it after release. Now, we get like 1/2 to 1/3 of a game on release and have to pay $20 a pop for god knows how many DLC packs and season passes for multiple seasons for the rest. I'll give you two guesses at which particular fallacy people said I had used back then, but you'll only need one.

>>15932670

>>15932811

great posts thank you

>>15932953

le enlightened reddit centrism

you see this as the top comment on almost any thread critical of a corporate game on reddit

>>15924834

>windows 10

smh tbh fam

>>15933834

/v/ is full of the same retarded kiddos as /pol/ idk who you are kidding bud

>>15932521

This is the first time ive ever seen someone quote Confucius here.

>>15924723

>>15924857

<hurr you need to get stabbed in the gut in order for your opinion to be valid, that way you know what it's like to be stabbed in the gut, because if you weren't your opinions don't matter in any significant way :^)

>muh real life experience validation :^)

nice try you fucking corporate spook, you say shit like that but it's okay when your boss does it huh? well fuck you I can do what I want and there's nothing you can do about it wanker

>>15924912

>using psychological techniques

shit like this should be the kind of subversive business tactics that should be made fucking illegal

>>15924723

I think you should add Real Life Experience Validation on their list of psyop argumentations, along with the But without copyright the companies WILL SUFFER and they can't make any money in their games n shit, therefore, piracy is bad!!1 insipid semantical bullshit, and then there's that Copypasting content in the internet is stealing man, it doesn't matter how you put it, IT"S JUST STEALING. PERIOD.

>>15933834

>>15934005

<kidding bud

>t. trannypol

both of you niggers clearly don't belong here

>>>/leftypol/

>>15925011

>>"it's good, you just can't accept/don't like change!"

this one's valid depending who you're talking to. mate of mine gets all his "opinions" from cuckchan, complete with spouting the latest memes why game X is bad (ofc while never playing them) while playing shit like lol and overwatch.

bonus points for getting pissy when I won't play the latest streamer shit with him

>>15932670

> thread about Steam censorship

good lord, that was such a shitshow

>>15932811

>one of the major reasons they will never be able to get SJWs out of the industry.

they don't need to cause that shit will take care of itself. a companies first interest is money, SJW shit means less money for the company so they gonna cull those retards at one point eventually.

it's also a byproduct of a cushy society that allows that shit in the first place, it's only a matter of time now till economy or ecology starts crashing down and people won't have the time and money to spout or even listen to retarded shit on social media.

and even in the unlikely case everything will keep working somehow, history being cyclical means a shift will happen inevitably and they'll learn being "on the right side of history" is relative (implying they know shit about history to begin with), pushing shit harder just means an equal reaction.

the main problem is that shit happening can take a while, so right now we're simply fucked.

>>15934541

>But without copyright the companies WILL SUFFER and they can't make any money in their games n shit, therefore, piracy is bad!!1

And that isn't true because?

>>15934685

>And that isn't true because?

you think books, art, and music didn't exist before 1710, nigger?

do you even know the costs of the shitty copyright system? the current system is so wasteful: BILLIONS of tax dollars wasted every year and money wasted on lawyers and licensing costs. I think artists would make more money if all that money went towards paying them instead of litigating the shit out of each other.

The only reason goyim are willing to put up with the current system's awful shit is because they've been convinced that's the only way they'll get to gulp down the AAAbortions shat out by the industry. However, deep down, noone likes copyright (DRM, orphan works, impedes research, facilitates vendor lock-in, etc.), only kikes (lawyers, publishers) do. This especially true if you ask anyone who's had to clear rights (finding (actual) right holders, delays pushing your deadlines, dealing with lawyers, licensing fees, draconian terms, refusals, etc.).

>>15935080

Okay, forget all that. If everyone pirates, then the devs don't get any money and can't develop games. Isn't that right?

https://questioncopyright.org/faq

>>15935106

>then the devs don't get any money and can't develop games. Isn't that right?

what part about the billions in tax money (in the US alone might I add) that are used on copyright cases could go to artists instead don't you understand?

moreover, selling non-excludable, non-rivalrous goods (e.g. games, music, art), is self-evidently a terrible business model. there are other ways to earn money (with differing viability): subscriptions (games are under continuous development these days), crowdfunding, commissions, contracting (common with software), merchandise, etc. Hell, some people have talked about a monthly tax or levies on blank media destined to artists.

>>15935259

>subscriptions

as in, subscriptions for updates and the latest version and updates a la Red Hat Linux, not to launch and play the game. file hosting isn't free you know.

>>15935259

>some people have talked about a monthly tax or levies on blank media destined to artists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy

>>15933752

Kill yourself, huemonkey.

>>15932670

>>15932811

>>15932882

I never even knew slippery slope arguments were "fallacies" until I started using the internet. Now it seems like any argument that one event leads to another is called out with muh slippery slope fallacy even if the conclusion is obviously correct and supported by evidence.

Anyone who criticizes piracy is unironically a shill.

I would shill the game I like, to share the joy of playing it, but I don't remember the last time I did so, I wish there was a game which I could shill without remorse.

Remember when Gearbox kept on spamming Borderlands on 4chink's /v/? It was impossible to post anything without it being deleted instantly by their spam.

>>15938281

Downloading of unauthorized copies shouldn't even be called "piracy", honestly. We don't murder or hold people hostage, among other things.

>>15938292

He explicitly says that these autists can and do exist, shill. Try reading the OP.

>>15938315

>turkroach

>shill

like pottery

>>15938315

>YOU ANTI SEMITE

>While calling out jewish shills

Makes no sense but I suppose thats to be expected from a roach.

>/pol/ shitposting in the last bit of the thread

Fucking nuke this board and string Mark up from a noose, this place can't get any worse.

>>15937269

No it isn't

No they aren't

And repeating it over and over won't make it so, torpedo.

>>15924723

>Mods Did Nothing Wrong

/v/ is extremely guilty of this.

>>15932811

>whether or not it's a fallacy is dependent on whether or not the conclusion is correct.

You either don't understand slippery slope or you don't understand fallacies. Fallacies are errors in the reasoning process, they're assertions made with the premise of being 100% infallible when they actually aren't. The result doesn't matter; you can probably end up with at least one high quality sculpture if you randomly hit rocks for millions of years without any rhyme or reason. It doesn't make it a good process

Pattern-pointing being a fallacious statement depends on the conviction you have when calling it. Clearly it isn't a 100% certainty, you're merely making a guess, and you'd be wrong if you were 100% sure of your convictions for the mere fact that you think it's an infallible 2+2=4 reality. It isn't something that you can prove mathematically.

However, you're absolutely right in pointing out a pattern and stating you're making an educated guess. There's nothing wrong with that. There's certainly cases when people misuse the fallacy when calling out on criticisms; that happens when they talk under the presumption that you're saying the pattern is a fact and not just an educated guess. In that case, it's not a fallacy

Undercover marketing/astroturfing firms absolutely do exist though. Anyone remember that Duke Nukem Forever debacle? The company that worked for them still exists and still attempts to viral for publishers on video game forums.

http://therednergroup.com/

NeoGAF was literally full of industry propagandists for ages.

Oh joy, the "I can't articulate as to why I dislike or like a game so I'll call the anon with the differing opinion a shill because I'm a nigger" bible.

Man up and whip your opinions out there like your dick. If you're such shit tier faggot you can't even defend why you like or hate a game and have to call the other guy a doo doo head then what the fuck are you even doing on this board?

>>15939053

>If you're such shit tier faggot you can't even defend why you like or hate a game and have to call the other guy a doo doo head then what the fuck are you even doing on this board?

Sitting in good company? Better question is what are they even doing on anonymous image boards.

You're missing a key element of understanding this situation.

The hole left when all tradition was stripped away were filled with this culture of jingle recital and product review groupthink. These are all thralls. Kept alive to toil and slave fed only bare minimum to breath but not to think. There are not many free people any where. The only portion of reality that is free is found in the nomadic styles of liars who host shame and tragedy in their breast. They know who they are and what they want but do not give up on seeking it for they want it badly. That is the last flame

Know not the names of your overlords, thrall-kun?

Self-sustianing horror is one

Hydra by the common tongue

>>15938513

Yes. In that regards it is extremely similar to reddit.

>>15938456

I know exactly what you mean. It's actually an incredibly effective argumentative tactic if your goal is just to drive away your opponent.

>>15938795

Yeah no doubt but I do think the majority of people who appear to be shills are just fucking retarded bugmen who dicksuck for free.

>>15938456

>This blog of a human will write out 12 paragraphs ranting about you're 2 sentence post.

This reminds me of another shitty tactic: you made a spelling error so your entire post is wrong.

>>15941014

Yes, and shills will often try and coax you into typing out walls of text ("well why don't you PROVE 'x' company is doing bad things" etc.) so they can pick out one minor error and harp on it to "disprove" your argument.

>>15942130

>beta is coming out in 2020 the game is ON TRACK

star citizen fan boys actually believe this

>>15950641

Are you ever going to give out your address or any meeting place so someone can go and beat the shit out of you for being the most annoying fuckwad in the entire site?

Sound like teenage capitalists identifying with corporate owners, lots of economic cucks like that everywhere.

This irony of OP's pic+post is more than likely completely lost on him.

>>15953254

Nice try, Conan O'Brien. No one wants to watch your shitty show anymore.

>>15938513

Actual posters don't say that. Mark and his volunteers do pretending to not be anons.

>>15956054

Reminds me of that Mechwarrior SJW game. They shilled it on cuckchan relentlessly, but when they decided to come here, turned out it was one ID doing the majority of the damage control.

>>15957338

Kikes are the ones that bring politics into fucking things like Puyo Puyo.

>>15957346

This torposters are fags that got banned.

>>15924723

>posting 3 times in a row

wow behold indubitably we are triggered

You have autism nigga lmao go jerk off to robo-wombs.

Companies are getting better at making reddit meme their games for them.

Right now, there's a new meme called "this how mafia work" which is literally just ads for some shitty facebook game. Some ad company was apparently able to turn their ad into a "popular" reddit meme by pure "coincidence"'

>>15957458

>You cant be a shill unless you're paid

Yes you can, you're just a fucking retarded shill.

>>15957458

Oh hey it's a shill.

>>15957482

Gaymers are fucking idiots so its easy to trick them into shilling for shit.

>>15957388

Checking these criminally unHeile'd dubs o/

>It's in alpha, of course there's no story elements yet

<but the game is supposed to be out in 3 months, why aren't they talking about the story?

>a l p h a

>>15924956

>"I'm going to buy 2 copies of the game just to piss you off"

>>15930130

>"The game gets better 7 hours in"

>>15958995

Damn son, you are one autistic ideologue.

>>15958442

>"The game gets better 7 hours in"

This can be true in some cases. Many roguelikes won't be fun until you take the time to learn the game. Same with some fighting games. It does not excuse games like FF13 where the game "opens up" or actually allows you to form your own party. Difference here is that the first 2 genres have all the depth right in front of you and the only reason you didn't enjoy it as much is because you didn't understand how it worked. Meanwhile FF13 keeps important mechanics from you to force a narrative. And when you do finally get more freedom, the game is still shallow and doesn't allow for much creativity to team/character builds.

>>15960002

I'm having a hard time coming up with roguelikes that meet your issues. Can you name an example?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocial_interaction

These people believe that these corporations are their friends and this is why people love gossiping about stocks and games tanking. I don't see the appeal of it because it's just another fucking company. It's like gossiping about how the gas station down the road open up a new station in town and how the local Citgo is in trouble. Like who gives a shit. I don't work for these companies or even manage them.

>>15961285

>(1) and done retard

>makes idiotic sweeping wrong generalizing statement how this informative thread is stupid

Butthurt shill?

nt tec.com is a great company to work for

>>15961671

>literally only two posts had been made since mine, one was a shitpost

>"he didn't think either of the two were worth responding to, must be a (1) and done!"

How do you function being this retarded? Not that I'm remotely surprised by yet another display of cognitive failure in this thread.

>>15962817

Okay? I would recommend you Unreal World, which has no dungeons, is open world but has meaningful randomization and interaction, a manual and a tutorial that teaches you all the necessities but leaves you to enjoy the game at your own pace. It also has a user interface that conveys all the information to the player.

There are others that might suit your standards like Elona, but the genre just isn't for everyone. I personally like the bullshit rng and permadeath difficulty and the minimal UI with ASCII tilesets. They suck and most often than not are excuses for lazy and bad game design, but like I said, it appeals to some and not everyone.

>>15924723

>Why do you think gaymers are so susceptible to shilling?

Most of the targets of this are children or teenagers, who are retarded and don't know any better.

Places like Steam forums are completely useless because they're full of both retarded teenagers and the shills who shepherd them.

Some exceptions would be forums for older games that have a small, older demographic.

>>15960002

jesus christ this shillwall of text

shilling for mods, corporations, AND fanboys all in one post

truly a shilling masterclass

>>15963422

This guy gets it. Anyone who actually tries to reason with a shill is a fucking fool.

>>15963615

For the off chance, where between reddit spacing and no sentence punctuation, you are being serious - me pointing out that battling shills and fanboys on their grounds on their terms is obviously a completely losing situation and not being able to recognize that is a sign of a retard, has nothing to do with me being shill or not, except if you want to subscribe to an idea that "everyone who disagrees with views that I support - opposes me".

Unless of course you are being ironic, then it's likely lost on a public since the thread features actual retards that could think that.

>>15963623

No one argues for reasoning with shills.

this is a kike thread

>>15963676

lol

>>15963667

>muh reddit spacing

you post on /v/ dude this place is fuckin 8gag reddit

>>15966728

>>15966727

good shit brotha, fuck on these faggot mods

>attacking the free market

OP this is a cleverly worded defence of leftism. Although I detest leftism in all forms I for one will defend your right to free speech on /v/. I might not like what you have to say, but I will die defending your right to say it.

>>15967066

I never said this. Although I believe libertarians are the true champions of free speech there are some sensible leftists haven't abandoned this cause. In fact, championing free speech used to be a cause predominantly fought for by leftists back when it was all bible thumpers rulinng society. Leftists like Dave Rubin, Sam Harris, Noam Chomsky or the late great Christopher Hitchens champion free speech.

>>15968646

>Although I believe libertarians are the true champions of free speech there are some sensible leftists haven't abandoned this cause. In fact, championing free speech used to be a cause predominantly fought for by leftists back when it was all bible thumpers rulinng society.

Well, yeah. Revolutionary ideologies love free speech since it lets them promulgate their doctrine - and then very quickly learn to hate it once they seize power since they know full well how unregulated speech could unseat them, and besides, they have no need of it in power because they can ensure speech that favors them is always free.

>>15966727

>/v/ is /pol/

More like /v/ is >>>/cow/, with the way you're sperging.

>>15967690

Martin is faggot

>>15968736

You can't ban a single torposter without banning all of them. That's the issue.

You either ban every single torposter, just because of this dumb asshole, or ban none of them and just delete his posts. Either way you take, it's a pretty annoying situation.

>>15968646

Leftists were never pro-free speech for anyone but themselves dumbfuck.

>>15968840

Oh hey its a shill.

>>15963438

>I'm more into a roguelitelikeroguelikes

>They appeal to normalfaggots like me

>>15968840

The outrage from banning tor users on /v/ would be so massive that it's understandable that Mark would prefer to just delete this particular faggot's posts rather than banning him and every other tor user altogether.

For him, deleting his posts is a mild annoyance compared to the shitstorm that would come from banning all tor users. People would never stop bitching about it.

>>15975203

Not to mention that it's only relatively recently that tor was used almost exclusively as another vector for spamming and shitposting. I don't think it's a (((coincidence))) that it happened almost simultaneously with Lawson's spergout and I think that getting tor banned is one of his objectives.

>>15975212

>>15975203

The problem isn't with TOR but with the remaining fanbase of /v/, which is made up of mentally retarded sycophants who think shitposting is "bad".

>>15976077

>who think shitposting is "bad".

When it would be only thing remaining, why even bother to post anything here?

>>15976077

Don't forget people (and mods) who label anything which goes against the grain as "spamming" or "shitposting/derailing"

>>15976284

Yeah it's convenient isn't it. That's basically the number one rule of internet moderation - label shit you don't like "X", delete it, and then claim it was against the rules.

Most users, being low IQ retards, fall for these sorts of shenanigans.

>>15976077

Hey /tv/.

>>15986405

If you have a problem with it, go make your own dead board so you can bitch about it. If people had issues with the way the board was run, then they wouldn't be posting here, they would use the features of 8chan to go someplace where they can circlejerk about how hard it is to follow a few simple rules.

>>15986453

>>15986444

Oh hey it's a butthurt mod, or one of their IRC dicksucks.

>>15991019

Prove it, faggot.

>>15991035

Here i am

t.jew

>>15991054

>(1)

>>15976077

Torpedo is not shitposting, at least not in his eyes

This is what you fail to understand

He's being honest, genuine and serious in the dumb fucking shit he's saying, and believes it strongly.

https://ddratings.info

lol mad>>15991035

>posting the exact same thing in every single thread I visit is just voicing my opinion, guys

OP here delete this thread already you queers. I realized this thread is way, way too good for /v/. No idea why it hasn't been nuked yet. Mods here are reddit tier cancer.

>>15998984

I agree 100%, this thread is attracting all the faggots who do nothing but discuss drama and shills while accusing others of being shills in a nice containment thread. We should have these more often.

>>15924723

>It'd be like if you posted on /r/TacoBell and complained about a new fucking taco or some shit and they said "WELL TACO BELL HAS THE LEGAL RIGHT TO PRODUCE THIS TACO AS THEY SEE FIT" etc etc. (actually rebbitors probably do say this).

that's exactly how reddit acts

fuck shills though

>>16002160

good stuff brotha, thanks for sharing

I just hate how people can't accept that the game they play is a downgrade compared the the previous games in the installment. I MHW, GtaV/RDR2 etc

>>16018988

>You can't say that this game is shit without playing it first, i haven't played it myself yet but i am sure is going to be a masterpiece! GOTY contender for sure!

Who even says that? I don't think I've ever seen it.

The most annoying shilling tactic is the "You're just too poor!" shtick. No, I just don't care about your shitty game / console / service / whatever.

>>16019017

I saw it often on the jewtube comment section of game trailers, these faggots are all typing the same shit like "omg hype this game is going to be a masterpiece!" "GOTY of current year!" "10 out of 10 confirmed! muh hype!" before the game is even out, and then when someone makes a negative comment they bitch and moan saying that they can't judge the game without playing it first while they are doing the same exact shit themselves, basically:

>Only positive feedback is allowed in this comment section

Another shilling tactic is:

>First you BUY IT and play it goy, then you may say that is bad (rubs hands together and grins)

>>16019069

Fan boys think they are the only ones with any right to criticize. And they always begin their criticism with a paragraph of dicksucking

>Although I LOVE THIS GAME and spend HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS and have played it for YEARS and it is MY LIFE etc. etc.

You have to coat even the mildest criticism in effusive praise otherwise these braindead fanboys will rage.

>>16018988

>You are going to buy it anyway like everyone else hahahaha!

That does happen, even here on /v/. Anons will talk shit but on release day a lot of them will cough up the cash and play the latest AAA release like they always do.

>>16019183

>paying money for games

lol

>>15924760

>post on twitter

>banned from game

>banned from reddit

>banned from school

>banned from youtube

>banned from patreon

>banned from online payment processors

>banned from physical banks

At least you can learn to eat bugs.