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Completely random. Acquirement likes to give you items you haven't yet seen but even then the chances of getting the exact type of weapon with the exact brand is astronomical.

>>15906476

You bash your head against a wall until the wall breaks. You won't learn to succeed without first dying a thousand deaths.

My DCSS morgue looks like the aftermath of the battle of Verdun.

>>15906484

I bit the bullet recently and am completely devoted to getting a win. I play nothing but Minotaur Berserkers both because they're good/easy and because sticking to one thing breeds familiarity and nuance. I've went from rarely beating lair to getting at least two runes 50% of the time.

>>15906519

That is very good. It's sometimes hard to notice how much progress you make in DCSS so you should be mindful of every little success. The biggest killer is and will always be overconfidence and it's incredibly hard to hold yourself back and think before acting, especially after you hit that sweet spot where you can chew through trash easily after L6 or early Vaults.

>>15906544

Shield > No Shield

>>15906544

You also have to keep in mind that swinging an Exec. axe without the appropriate skill in Axes is a liability due to attack delay.

>>15906544

+3 is basically nothing. Its really rare to not have regular scrolls of enchant.

>>15906519

Try Minotaur Fighter

The shield is way worth it for survivalist. Also, try going Oka for his drops and his skills are good without the drawbacks of going berserk.

>>15906600

A big thing for me is getting gifts earlier since you start with trog.

>>15906574

Executioners axes deal a LOT more base damage, and as minos have a lot of strength that matters doubly so.

>>15906588

My point is that one has a great brand (vampiric+an axe so it heals you very quickly) but a bad base.

>>15906602

Have fun being bitten by some 8 headed hydra TWICE because you had a 1.5 delay.

>>15906602

The gifts aren't worth it. You can carry to lair 3 or so with Oka's powers alone, and if you were lucky in getting a temple at a decent time you should be getting your firsts gifts from Oka around that time.

>>15906600

I never was killed by having low AC. Only fucking Beoght witnesses and other magical assholes.

>>15906605

I remember meeting hydra on fucking 1st level.

>>15906616

SH is completely different (and worth far less than) AC

>>15906607

I assumed you found one at L1 or something and were farting around at 12 Axes. In your case the big ass axe is alright but the brand is meh. Care to post your current skills?

>>15906645

1. Never ever ever stop training Fighting, on any character. More Fighting means more HP.

2. You might want to invest in some Evocations, even as little as 5 points enhances a lot of evocables so they remain useful even into Zot

3. Armor and Dodging aren't actually that important. An AC of ~30 is already pretty decent and all armor does is slightly increase the AC from armor by a small percentage. Personally I like to have both around 10 or 15 by the end of Lair, but since you're a MiBe you can probably go higher without much hassle. Just be aware that they are not as important as Fighting.

>>15906648

I actually have basically no experience with evokables. Could you give me a summary on the most useful ones?

Also, armor skill counteracts the armor penalties making you more accurate and having better ev. I'm currently in vaults and will stop on 4 and then do depths then do vaults 5.

>>15906658

It's too late, I died regardless.

>Go to depths

>clearing it as per usual (fighting is 19 at this point)

>Fall through a shaft

>see a shining eye (they mutate you)

>berserk, focus it

>berserk ends because I used it to run so I haven't killed much

>now slowed

>clear the room but mobs from the next one come in

>Due to being slowed I guess I die

Uncertain as to why I took so much damage as none of the mobs jumped out at me as particularly dangerous.

http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/rogaldorn/morgue-rogaldorn-20181223-110807.txt

I should have spammed summons instead of quaffing a heal wounds, but otherwise I don't know what else I could have done.

The shining eye was a shapeshifter

>>15906651

The rule of thumb regarding Armor is that it's about 4% additional AC from your armor. The penalties for heavy armor and shields are almost completely irrelevant unless you're a caster.

As far as evo goes, you probably know how good wands of acid and clouds are. More evo makes better clouds, for example. Polymorph is severely underrated in the early to mid-game because most of the humanoid uniques can be polymorphed so they lose access to their items. See a guy with a distortion weapon? Polymorph him into a slug. Works wonders on electric eels as well. You do have to be careful when using it on demons and undead though.

The actual evocable items, from the top of my head:

Lamp of Fire - Excellent when you got a one tile hallway to work with.

Box of Beasts - Needs some investment (10+ evo) but you can pull out a beast that can stand up to Orbs of Fire.

Fan of Gales: Extremely useful when you want to escape but some dick is on your ass next to the stairs, it'll blow him away. Even just one tile gives you breathing room to escape.

Lightning Rod - Pretty meh but can be useful if you need something to kill hydras without chopping heads

>>15906670

>berserking after getting shafted, in unexplored area, while not in the sight of upstairs

It's a big fault. Don't worry, you'll beat the game in no time. My tips are:

>Start game as MiFi, go for Okawaru

>Go for flails & shields (A branded demon whip has a min delay of 0.5, coupled with a shield it's great. Only needs 12 skill in maces and flails too!)

>open up skill window, press "/" then

>%20 fighting, %20 maces, %20 armor, %20 dodging, %20 shields

>once you hit min delay with maces/shields turn them off and go for %50 fighting, %25 dodging and %25 armor

>throw in a little bit of invocations so you get Okawaru finesse down to %5 or so

Good luck.

>

>>15906679

Berserk is a bit overrated anyway. It's good in the early game and it's good in a controlled environment, like 1vs1 against a difficult unique. The most important Trog ability is Trog's Hand for the regen and MR.

>>15906749

The one thing you need to look out for, ironically, are Deep Trolls with LRD, because that works on you directly.

>>15906769

Yeah, I had Jorgrun one shot me in the Vaults as GrFi, when I was mindlessly tabbing.

Has anyone played the Berserk one? I found it on roguebasin and it was pretty underwhelming except for the gore. It's a grind to the death where you pick different abilities like slash everyone in a circle or jump hit. There's no items or story or even a map. You just start a game and kill creeps. What's really good is the gore and effects. It's just ASCII characters in different colors, but man, I really want a proper roguelike with a fully implemented gore mechanic. How fun would Nethack or Angband be if you had basic effects like that? Like. Cogmind but with fantasy.

Name a rogue like with good combat

>>15907090

>Name a rogue like with good combat

There's literally thousands out there, if you can't find them yourself I don't think you deserve them.

>>15906530

>Any RL where you start to think you are hot shit

OH man I love that.

>>15907301

Gargoyle of TSO CAN easily tab his way to a 3 rune win, to be fair. Everyone else, eeeh …

Is there a hotkey to use elemental evocables? i>(key)>v is obnoxious.

>>15907599

What's wrong with ToME? I've been playing it and it's pretty fun I'm not going to read the entirety of that image

>>15907756

I've played it quite a bit and it does seem to have a habit of throwing instakills at you.

>>15907779

Haven't run into that just yet, I'm trying to figure out how to level up enough to beat this crystal spell thing in the cave, thought going to the other cave would help. Was wrong. where the fuck do you go as a low level to level up?

>>15907787

Theres a bunch of low level dungeons, just look around.

>>15907793

Found one just above me slightly, cheers.

>>15907779

>Instakills

Come back to me when you've played IVAN.

>>15907756

It's fun, but it's a very entry-level roguelike and certain class/race combos are just busted. The game's enjoyable for what it is, though.

>>15908131

>>15908336

Not gonna lie anon, it's the kind of game that I really enjoy at first but after 2 hours it got kinda boring.

Also my first death was opening a digestive bag of consumables, turns out I was the consumable as a horde of something came out and killed me.

>>15906476

Just play any rogue-like that isn't a dungeon crawler.

Are there any actual dungeon crawlers with a UI that wasn't built by literal autists?

>>15908432

It gets more interesting after you unlock a few things, the starting classes are kind of generic. I can see how not everyone would enjoy it though.

>>15908467

It's probably because I'm a faggot who'll play one game for an hour and then get bored, it happens to me all the time. I can rarely finish a game because I go to boot the game up and then I go into this phase of "why do I play this game".

It's the main reason why I don't and can't enjoy warframe, it's fun as fuck but I need a purpose.

>>15908321

There is literally nothing wrong with learning a game with a simple combo

>>15909311

As long as a new players move on from that yeah, you're right

>>15909438

I really can't wait until my first win because I want to play a spellcaster.

the +8 eveningstar of Mayhem (weapon) {drain, +Fly rElec rPois Str-2 Dex+4

or

+5 eveningstar "Geubir" {speed, rElec Int+2}

A garnet-encrusted crystal plate armour.

An incredibly heavy but extremely effective suit of crystalline armour.

>Randart crystal armor

Only 2390 gold! of which I have 520ish

>>15909469

I appreciate your lust for suffering.

>>15909664

Speed > Drain

rPoi is good but not critical, unlike rElec

Stats are memes

>>15909469

Have fun repeating the first 3 dungeon levels for hours

>>15912075

It's not that bad, instances where Slow really fucks with you are in all likelihood also instances where you would want to read tele or blink anyway.

>>15912151

The Drain from unequipping it eventually can screw you over. The +1 isn't nowhere near as good as the +7 either.

>>15913025

I died on zot5 after being forced to step on a sound trap. I got forced into a corner and my teleport never triggered. I know they take longer, but holy fuck I held out for ages.

>>15913117

Potions of Cancellation remove the marked effect from alarm traps, so if you chug one immediately and move away from where you triggered the trap you can avoid the worst complications.

You know about the go-to strategy regarding Z5? Go down, read a scroll of mapping if you have one, clear everything out EXCEPT the entrance to the "lungs". Instead you sit your ass down at the choke point and yell (t + t) until some asshole wanders into view. Rinse and repeat until you cleared them out.

You also had invis. Keep in mind that a lot of fuckers in Zot can't actually see invis, namely Draconians.

And sorry about your loss here, the Amulet of the Four Winds especially is a huge carry for 3 rune runs. Not because of the MR+++ but because of the Clarity effect.

>>15913427

That should be very helpful, thanks. Just got my second rune. In this run I've got a handful of spells (regeneration, shroud, spectral weapon) but I think that was a mistake. I have focused on EV again though, which I think I'll always do now. Having roughly equal EV and AC seems to be a good idea.

bump

Still no win. Is anyone else going for their first win?

>>15920329

You've already improved a lot since you started the thread, getting to Z5 is a feat in and of itself for a new player. Keep at it.

Guy in video related has helped me a lot with improving my play, he's worth a watch just to pick up little tricks.

When I was little I put ungodly hours into ADOM. I want to return to those days and conquer it, anyone got any advice?

>>15929399

Honestly, the best mummy god is Gozag because of Potion Petition.

>>15929267

Congratulations. Now you can focus on doing weird shit and see what seems fun to you. I recommend a fighter of Qazlal. You make a ton of noise, sure, but if you know how to stair dance it becomes EZ.

Any advice for someone trying to learn spellcasters after graduating from tabmasters?

>start playing DCSS for the first time

>pretty bad at it

>getting further each time

>last run, MiFi

>get a +11 artifact trident at like level 5

>choose Shining One, end up getting lots of undead/imps/etc

>decent armor

>get to the bottom of the lair easily

>decide to do Slime Pits first

>first encounter in Slime Pits die to a pair of Jelly's and an Eye of Draining like it was nothing

fuck

>>15944608

Slime pits are harder than vaults

>>15944669

I didn't know that at the time, that was literally the first time I had gotten to the bottom of lair and hadn't done any of the side branches before.

>>15944709

I look up EVERYTHING because, especially with all the useful shit they've removed or nerfed, the game is to hard not to

>>15944737

I have been using the wiki quite a bit but for some reason I didn't check this time.

Holy Fuck DEFE and DEWz are kicking my ass. Lair6 is my best thus far.

This thread won't die

>>15968622

I fucking hate how RNG getting a decent midgame damage spell like bolt of X is. You're essentially guaranteed a useable weapon but you can be utterly without anything decent as a spellcaster.

>>15907756

>fight gorillion easy as shit mobs

>suddenly special enemy appears

<"Okay, finally a worthy oppo-"

>instakilled

>time to go through all those easy as shit dungeons all over again :^)

That's the problem of ToME. They try to sprinkle the starting dungeons with some randomness to not be so repetitive, but it doesn't really work. It's just not fun after the first few times you went through them and you usually get killed by total bullshit rather than your own fault.

FeWr is the optimal faggot cat experience. Why would you play any other faggot cat?