/v/ - Video Games

>>15855051

Fuck this tornigger, more shitposting than posting anything of value

>>15855070

I stopped my playthrough a year ago because I thought the expansion was right around the corner.

How do I cure myself of my cRPG mental block/plebbiness?

>>15855132

but anon, our new flavor of the month open world action/adventure game has numbers in it, it's totally an rpg

>>15855084

This. I've only ever really gotten on with blobbers.

>inb4 don't be a [codex]nigger

Is there any other crpg with settings like Arcanum? I like the thought of magic and technology clashing or have an interesting synergy between them.

>>15855153

Sounds like a lot of work to make one, anon. :^)

>>15855185

>Is there any other crpg with settings like Arcanum?

not that I can really think of off the top of my head in regards to clashing

several older crpgs do have tech and magic mixed in though, like MM or Wizardry, since the two genres hadn't completely separated back then

Underrail is pretty good, almost beat it on DOMINATING difficulty on my first playthrough as a psionic. Writing is good, combat is good, art is good. The only downside is that there's a bit too much walking around, but you can speed it up. Pretty good game overall, I have no idea why isn't it extremely popular. I believe it's better than all the old crpg classics that various nostalgia fags keep recommending every time because they don't play games anymore.

>>15855185

I don't think there are any such games. Also Arcanum is shit. The absolute worst game I've ever played. It might as well be a VN with no gameplay.

>>15855124

>SSI

Holy shit anon, where'd you pull that one from? My God, I haven't seen that game since I can't even remember when.

>>15855237

Seriously, worst racing game I ever played. You played the enhanced shit or classic?

>>15855132

You can thank Japan for that.

>>15855237

Bioware was never good.

>>15855245

Modded Classic of course, I wont touch that Beamdog cancer.

>>15855145

What's a blobber?

>>15855281

Gamejourno nuspeak hopefully only used as bait.

>>15855304

OK, I'll call them Wizardrylikes

>>15855246

>this much in denial

Art: dogshit.

Combat: absolute garbage; either be an utterly useless technician who relies on party members to carry him, or be a mage that wrecks the whole game with a lvl1 spell. Or use a sword/bow like a retard, I guess… making the whole tech/magic gimmick pointless.

Story: honestly don't know, this game isn't good enough to keep me playing past the first major settlement. Everything before that were short unremarkable quests. People keep saying the story gets better closer to the end, but I'd rather not eat literal shit just to get to some nectar at the bottom.

>>15855310

The overarching story isn't anything particularly great. More like an excuse to push the player around the world to play the individual stories therein. You keep infiltrating all these organizations that all are better connected, treat you better and pay more than the organization you are supposed to still work for. And then the story shits the bed with the space-time-wizard bullshit and god-awful ending area that actually punishes you for meticulous exploration on which the leveling gimmick is based on.

>>15855344

Looks to me someone went to the Black Mountain Mines unprepared.

>>15855367

Looks to me someone lacks reading comprehension.

>this game isn't good enough to keep me playing past the first major settlement

>>15855051

Are you too retarded to use cheat engine, or a save editor? Do you also complain about all the walking in other crpgs?

>>15855456

I, too, have seen that episode of Game Dungeon fellow anon. Have an upboat.

>>15855208

kill yourself

>>15855468

>still no counterarguments from clueless nostalgiatards

>>15855456

If only it was properly balanced.

I really like the style, both art and gameplay.

>>15855132

most people don't even know what an RPG is, not even on this site. Go on and ask in any thread which should matter more: player skill or character's stats, and you'll always get the answer that it's player skills, which literally goes against the concept of an RPG. If your character is some weakling that can barely lift a sword, but you're good enough at the game to go and slay a fucking dragon or something, then that's not RPG design. You're not playing the role of the character. Turn based games tend to be designed properly, at least, making victory of a shit character against some late game boss practically impossible, but the moment we enter real time, it's all about ebin memes of taking the starting character and taking down the final boss with it.

>>15855560

You clearly don't know what an RPG is. Because you don't even know what the concept of an RPG is. You're just talking about gameplay mechanics.

>>15855468

>most people don't even know what an RPG is, not even on this site

Not even you, it seems. ROLEPLAY comes first in ROLEPLAYing games, pen and paper stats second.

>>15855587

Fuck me, wrong reply. Meant for >>15855560

>>15855587

Gameplay is a core component of any video game and can be designed in an RPG fashion or a different one. If you want pure roleplay without any of that gameplay, go play a visual novel with branching choices or something.

>>15855601

I agree that a game needs good gameplay. That's why I say Arcanum is shit and is akin to VN. Planescape and F2 are RPGs. Their most prominent component is roleplay: lots of interesting interactions and dialogue and everything checks your stats all the time, also decent combat. I don't know of any game which focuses on "rpg fashion" combat first and foremost and can still be called a ROLEPLAYing game. RPGs need to focus on roleplay and then complement it with decent to good combat to be an RPG. Otherwise it's some kind of character action game or whatever the name for that genre is.

>>15855629

I didn't say anything about an RPG not having a vast non-combat section. I simply mentioned that very few real time RPGs actually have RPG-designed combat and gameplay.

>>15855674

Action RPGs aren't RPG to begin with, I don't give a shit if their combat is RPG-like or not.

>>15855124

Absolutely patrician

>>15855709

>Action RPGs aren't RPG to begin with

That was pretty much my point, anon

>>15855084

Start one that looks relaxed and fun rather than whatever is placed on a pedestal

Might & Magic 3 and 4+5 are good for this

>>15855132

99% of video game RPGs that have been made are just VNs or their western equivalent. If anyone wants to try real RPGs they should just stop wasting their time and play the traditional PnP versions. These electronic pseudo-RPGs are only for the most casual or lonely kinds of people.

>>15855467

It's funny that not anywhere in his post he mentioned it, but you did.

So that I'm perfectly clear, it's you that's the cancer.

>>15855819

The point

Your bitch-ass head

>>15855344 (checked)

I can agree combat is absolute garbage if you played in real time. Holy shit it was terrible in all sort of way. Turn based is okay.

>this game isn't good enough to keep me playing past the first major settlement.

>first major settlement.

Tarant?

Did they finally added a time-skip button in underrail to get the fucking infused materials?

>>15855915

>Tarant?

I did the first village which only had one half-decent quest, then ran into some fetch quests in Tarant. I don't mind mediocre quests, but the game just isn't challenging (mage or charisma) and the supposedly good main story was nowhere to see yet, so I played something that had more than just the setting instead.

>magic and technology clashing or have an interesting synergy between them

Underrail has magic (psionics), though it doesn't clash with anything. You can be a plain marksman, a pure mage or you can use a rifle with just utility spells like wall, freeze, stun and so on. Anything else just doesn't allow to stack damage. And it's actually challenging, there's a difficulty setting which requires you to go all out with consumables, traps, crafting, tactics and choosing your enemies. In Arcanum you only press like 2 buttons to win and its challenge is in such a pathetic state that the only challenging area in the entire game became a meme (Black Mountain Mines).

I unironically wish there was an anime themed CRPG, a game that works like the RPGs of the West but with the themes of the East. I would wish for the opposite to happen but it already did with some of western RPGs taking JRPGy combat systems and such.

Also, Baldur's Gate is a weird one for me. I really want to like it, but I didn't expect this much exploration, I thought it would have more reading and dialogue in which I could interact with the characters and such, but it's a lot of slow walking and combat. Not a bad game but definitely not what I was expecting. I really want to play Baldur's Gate 2 though.

>>15856178

>Black Mountain Mines

So, how do you know about it if you haven't actually played that far? I can respect if you try something and form your own opinion that it doesn't suit you. Sucks, even. Parroting what someone else shat out or simply being contrarian because the general opinion is that it's alright if not excellent is something else. Something rather sad.

>mage

Yeah, that's really easy mode even if you don't pick harm and transition into 100% vorpal bunnies. Tech's a bit harder to get into simply because you need to gather junk and find out what's good and what's shit. But once you get those high proficiency bombs, not cybernetics and all kinds of steroids rolling it's pretty fun.

But seriously, it's buggy and there are loose ends up the ass. Despite that it's still capable of holding it's own against most other games out there. I'd compare it to a similar game by mostly same devs: Lionheart. So much potential, and what's done is generally excellent but half finished at best.

>>15856216

If you're into dialogue, try playing age of decadence

>>15855237

>Story is generic as it gets, and setting itself is shit and unremarkable

I think the whole idea is that it's supposed to be "your first RPG experience with forgotten realms", it's supposed to be like your very first pen and paper RPG, which is why it's so generic. But I think that's part of the charm. And I don't know how you can shit on the setting of Baldur's Gate if you also mention liking Icewind Dale, when they're both the same setting, just showcased from different sides.

>>15856261

>Tale of Wuxia

Actually looks pretty cool, will check it out.

>>15856261

>Tale of Wuxia

Too bad those ant kikes have yet to translate a free content update they added to the chink version.

>>15856293

I wouldn't hold my breath for that one. RTKXI for example never got its PUK despite that thing being massive. Same for fandiscs; that shit almost never goes west.

>>15855755

Thanks for the recommendation, anon. My real problem with these games is that I always get character creator anxiety because I'm worried that I'll be a useless wet noodle for an 80+ hour game. I only ever rolled multiple characters to try different playstyles in Dark Souls because it was so easy to speedrun. I'll see how far I can get in M&M3 with just the manual.

>>15856178

>mage and charisma

Those two are easy mode. Try playing tech or other "classes".

>supposedly good main story was nowhere to see yet

I know you've heard of it before, but it'll take some time to get into the good part. I feel like Shrouded Mine and Tarant has a lot of filler quests, but some of it are pretty good if you go to the length to finish it. Game has a lot of stories to offer after Tarant.

I quit my first play a bit after Tarant. Gave it another chance and holy shit I was hooked on everything.

>>15856343

>Game has a lot of stories to offer after Tarant

Can you remind me? There's some deal with the elves and a couple of side quests but I honestly felt the game fell on its face after Tarant. The prison island, maybe, but that's pretty much the only thing that comes to mind.

>>15856235

>age of decadence

That one is Roman themed is it not? I will have to check it out.

>>15856230

>So, how do you know about it

Because its a meme.

>>15856230

>it's alright

So not worth mentioning then. There's plenty of 5/10 modern games to play, no need to go shovelling through the older dreck just because someone said the setting is kinda cool.

>gimping yourself on purpose

I'd rather just have a good consistent challenge without being forced to gimp myself. After all, that's what the game is praised for, tech vs magic, but suddenly there's only one option to properly play the game (tech). Lets say I pick tech, then what? Dump charisma? Avoid stealing best guns? Don't abuse quicksaves? Don't abuse AoE? I'll just go ahead and play a game that's challenging without gimping myself by a specific set of rules. After all that, the writing isn't even good enough. I keep hearing that the main story is great and it gets awesome at the end, which makes me think that the rest of the content is as stale as the beginning of the game. I suppose I'll try it again some time, but it's not like anybody is going to stop saying it's one of the best games ever even if I try to prove otherwise from my own experience.

>>15856490

>implying any normal person can't instantly see that trannies and this game are garbage

>forming my own opinion by observing nostalgiafags is peer pressure

I even played it a bit to confirm that I can't stand this game.

Lets sum it up:

1. Writing gets kinda decent by the end;

2. Combat is shit and you have to go through it with your own arbitrary rules to get some challenge;

3. Playing anything but the autistic junk rat class breaks the game;

4. Absolutely no pros aside from setting.

Into the end of backlog it goes. Recommending the game just for the setting is stupid. Divine Divinity is a pretty decent cRPG, about 6/10, solid throughout its whole entirety, has awesome soundtrack. Why is it more obscure than Arcanum? Nostalgiacucks, that's why. It had poor marketing back then, so it didn't manage to crawl into nostalgiacuck's worship corner. Now it's forever behind, because every cRPG thread is flooded with the BG/Arcanum/F2/Torment quartet, even though BG and Arcanum are 4-5 out of 10 games, which only got worse with time.

>>15856239

I guess if you look at it from that angle then yeah. If it is a baby's first then I can overlook some of its faults. It is my fault for playing almost all of the major RPGs out there, hell, this isn't even my first Bioware game.

As for setting, I never was fan of Forgotten Realms, it seems just too basic and unbelievable in a bad way. IWD at least puts you in a frozen north, and besides it is combat focused game with no fucking around, basically maps are supposed to look interesting and that's it.

>>15856720

>obscure

Who are you quoting? More obscure and obscure aren't the same thing.

>strawmanning and picking at my wording instead of looking at the core of the post

I see you're doubling down in your nostalgiaCUCK denial.

>>15856736

>quoting

Oh, God. Thanks newfriend, I really needed this laugh.

>>15856751

>keeps picking at my wording

Your concession is accepted.

>>15856736

>>15856761

ironically shitposting is still shitposting

>>15856360

Main quest, unless the plot twist is too common for you. For me it was great. Frankly, I wasn't expecting that kind of twist. Some of the quest are technically from Tarant but not available until you progress from the city. Tell me if I got it wrong.

Half-Ogre breeding facility

Saltwater or Saltsomething monster

The necromancer that you can recruit

Magnus storyline

The King's brother but I guess you have solved this one

If you haven't visited the Magic City and Ruins of the techworld you're missing out. The former is an interesting place with some interesting quest. Can't remember the names though.

does gothic count as a crpg? I want to go on an adventure in these type of games again are there any good modern ones?

RTwP sucks and I'm glad it's dead

>>15855567

See, some real coze levels here.

>>15855560

Nigger you must be fucking retarded, player skills should matter more in an RPG than numbers because they allow players to create more nonconventional things, which goes more towards the side of RPGs. RPGs aren't just you rolling dice to kill things, its you being creative. Using your fireball spell on a body of water to create a cloud of steam to escape in or something to that effect is more in line with the important part of an RPG.

Video games are still greatly restricted by the inability to have the same kind of freedom to that a pen and paper RPG would have, but anyone who isn't an obtuse retard would recognize that those kinds of RPGs weren't about the numbers, they were about what you could do in them. Numbers just helped to add randomness which was an element of fun and tension in those games.

>you will never have a comfy discussion about top-down RPGs before the isometric plague infested the PC RPG scene and killed off gameplay

>>15855051

Look who it is again, ID 000000. I'm fed up with your shit faggot. The other day when you called me a newfag, yeah, haven't forgotten about that yet. Fuck you I've been on here for months and probably get on here more than you anyways. Don't you know that you make yourself look like a newfag when you call others newfag? Just because you learned how to hack your name and change it to "000000" does not give you the right to disrespect anyone at any time.

Is there any crpg around like underrail? I liked the whole setting but I can't find one worth it

>>15860261

is this a copypasta or an organic shitpost

>>15860064

>top-down RPGs

Most were First-Person, and the ones that weren't were more roguelikes, unless you can provide some examples?

Moreover the isometric RPGs usually had better gameplay, the fuck are you talking about?

recommend me games similar to Fallout 1, preferably with bleak, gloomy, dark/grimdark settings, post-apocalyptic sounds fun too

The level of violence Fallout 1 had would also be nice, but that's hard to expect I suppose.

>>15855084

Treat the conversations the same as the ones you have in real life, assuming you're not a friendles neet. Consider what they other guy wants from the encounter, what you want and exactly what you want to say. Makes RPGs much more fun, desu.

>>15856426

Its shit

>>15862945

Dark Sun Shattered Lands

it's the granddaddy of fallout

>>15863101

>grandaddy of Fallout

I thought that was Wasteland, but thank you anon this looks intriguing

>>15863324

Not enough but the few hours I did spend on it were pretty fun. Sticks very closely to the fallout 1 & 2 style and felt like an expansion to the originals rather than a fan-made game.

>>15855237

the fun of the game is spending 3 hours rolling for a 97 on your kensai/mage

>>15869411

99% of games are interactive narratives, RPGs are about systems that puts the player in the shoes of a character and places the emphasis on the skills of the character, making the player roleplay as that character. The player might be smart but plays a dumb character, stats are the only way to emulate a dumb character, failing task resolution rolls involving intelligence. So actually stats are one of the big things that make RPGs what they are.

>>15869431

>99% of games are interactive narratives

Utter bullshit. More like 99% of games have arbitrary shit like skills, trees and perks. You can even see it with old and new game. Old CPRGs have a massive focus on play choice and many times the out come of the evens is solely dictated by what the players chooses and not an arbitrary stat check. Compare that to modern "RPGs" where they just slap you some numbers and call it an RPG.

Would it be a pain in the ass to play a CRPG on a laptop with only a touchpad? I've been thinking about trying Baldur's Gate or The Age of Decadence or something, but I don't even have a mouse, so I've only used it for emulators and stuff that can be played with a controller.

>>15869473

Are you underage or senile? And no, I'm not trying to be glib but I'm wondering what you consider old and whether you're aware the whole notion of C&C versus hard on rails narrative is fairly recent. 20 years or so recent.

>>15869478

I would assume so.

>>15869626

>Baseless claim

The only base you have is because you want to defend you dogshit liniar J"RPGs".

D&D wasn't about muh spreadsheets, its was acting autistic as a character you made up. Nobody actually cared about their spreadsheet they just wanted to be big dick paladin mcgee and wave their big dick at the bar maid.

>>15869478

>with only a touchpad

what, no keyboard?

you'll be fine with any games that don't overly rely on split-second timing. Baldu'rs Gate and Age of Decadence should be fine. First person dungeon crawlers should also be fine so long as they don't have real time controls (Eye of the Beholder, Grimrock)

>>15869849

>>15869640

And again, the spreadsheet thing you might see in EU4 or whatever today is about breaking the class ceiling as much as possible. It's more about showing that you can, and brag than trying to do the absolutely the best you can just because that's necessary to well, survive and finish the game. Also some people, me among them, enjoy understanding and playing the system to the best of their abilities and you or anyone else has no place to tell someone how to have fun in their singleplayer game. For example my brother took more enjoyment from matching generals by their pictures and traits in ROTTK or Ghengis Khan games than the whole conquer the world thing as fast as you can. When I asked him why he just said it got old after awhile. Works for him, I guess.

PnP or tabletop was for me at least about getting drunk and having fun. But that's obviously not vidya and it shouldn't be compared for obvious reasons. Notably because there's no half drunk GM willing to homebrew the grappling rules into something fun that doesn't require a calculator for all parties involved across the kitchen table or how the game isn't able to let you off the hook and humiliated but laughing your ass off after that dumb stunt you just pulled.

>>15869655

>what, no keyboard?

I have the built in keyboard. It's just the touchpad that I'm worried about, since I can't scroll around nearly as quickly or accurately as I can with a mouse.

>>15854923

Visually I like how they look, but I don't really enjoy them for whatever reason.

>>15855344

Tech is actually plenty powerful (not as overpowered as Harm), but you're right about it being unbearably weak at first. The first few guns are even less effective than bare hands and molotov cocktails can obliterate an enemy … or yourself.

Explosives/throwing is the way to go for tech. Use a boomerang to start with and once you get to Tarant you can scavenge garbage bins for frag grenade components.

>>15870085

Can't you buy a quality revolver from the zeppelin shop? Also balanced sword is amazing.

>>15872132

Even if you have a gun with decent damage, your accuracy at low levels is garbage. If you have to be point-blank to hit, may as well use fists… it saves ammo.

That's why I suggested starting out with a point or two in throwing. Boomerangs have infinite ammo, and grenades are crazy effective against golems when you head to black mountain.

I forgot about tech melee, you're right. Pyrotechnic axe is also great for black mountain. Probably the easiest option for tech, but I tend to find melee pretty boring.

>>15855560

>Go close to the enemy

>Aim at him

>Hit him with sword

>Miss

Truly immersive.

I totally feel like i am a warrior in some mudhut world.

Best you fuck off and take your morrowind niggers with you.

>>15874417

The only issue with morrowind's combat is that you have to manually order each attack instead of just hitting attack and your character continuing to attack at max speed until you do something else

>>15874412

The dice roll in traditional RPGs is the abstraction of you attempting to perform the action. In a game where you have mechanical control, like aiming, a dice roll shouldn't be involved. If it was applied to other systems you'd see how silly it is.

>Walk into empty room then suddenly die to an enemy that was stood right in the middle all along

<You failed a spot check

>Walk across log and without any incorrect input you randomly slip off and die

<You failed a balance check

>>15874474

Morrowind's shitty combination of two different conflict resolution mechanics (player skill at clicking the enemy and player character skill) is cargo cult tier game design. Actual RPGs have RNG to determine success, so video game emulating RPG must also, right? Nothing is more immersive and fun than jarring contrast between what seems to be happening on the screen (enemy gets hit) and what actually happens (your character wasn't up to the task of hitting the enemy). It might be bearable if both of those weren't individually so horrible, but neither the action gameplay or the stat mechanics are any good.

Of course for those to whom Morrowind was their babby's first crpg, the increasing numbers and randomness is literally the definition of roleplaying and good game design.

>>15874474

There is literally nothing wrong with either of those, and the first would allow something which simply doesn't exist in morrowind; stealth NPCs.

>>15873759

Two points in firearms and glasses if you dumped perception is something you can start the game with and which will destroy anything early on. Couple that with how you can become expert before even setting foot in Tarant or how there's hunting rifles and claringtons as early as Blackroot and you've got it made. Throwing is amazing and no argument there although the best ones are magic: the decapitator and the chakrams. As for the grenades don't forget the stun one as that will ruin absolutely anything remotely biological.

>>15874506

literally play the game for an hour or two and you stop missing every hit

>>15875558

what the movie?

no im not american

>>15858627

>RPGs aren't just you rolling dice to kill things, its you being creative

Yeah, because "I learned to time dodges right, so now I just spam them and can kill anything eventually" is very creative. You're a fucking idiot that misses the entire point, not just of RPGs in video games, but in pen and paper too. Non-convetional shit in PnP RPGs is, nearly always, in thinking out of the box and doing shit the non-combat way. Enemy too difficult? Alright, I'll just find out where he gets his food and poison it. He doesn't eat? Well then I'll sneak past him and loot his cache. I don't really need to kill him. That sort of shit. The moment you enter combat in PnP, you declare "I am going to brute-force this, I believe my character to be powerful enough to pull it off". But now imagine there was some dumb shit that could make you go past any obstacle this way. In PnP, you can't just spam dodge forever and take down something far above your powerlevel. You'll take a few swings, take use a few skills, then get fucking squashed unless, again, you prepared some elaborate plan before hand, before you started the combat that'll spring some sort of a trap on the bad guy or similar.

Real-time RPGs practically never do this. You are expected to brute force your way past 90% of obstacles, most of the time just by spaming LMB or a skill + dodge or block (or in some particularly cancerous cases open invetory, drink potion). That's the fucking opposite of an RPG design.

You want to know a good, recent RPG? Age of Decadence. Most obstacles have a non-combat solution or at least something that'll make the fight easier and you can be however skilled you want, you will not be successful at combat unless you actually invested a significant amount of skill points into it. That's how a proper RPG is designed, not some shitty "dodge, hit, hit, dodge, hit, hit, dodge…" like you see in these action-oriented abortions.

>>15855560

This, stats and dice rolls define the genre.

>>15875710

How about you list some examples of real-time RPGs that aren't like that, then?

>>15875746

Anon, his post is arguing that player skill should matter more than the character's skills. That's what the whole argument is about. You're arguing something entirely different.

>>15874506

>Nothing is more immersive and fun than jarring contrast between what seems to be happening on the screen (enemy gets hit) and what actually happens (your character wasn't up to the task of hitting the enemy).

In a decent game, hitting or missing by the roll of a dice would normally be indicated by the character animation, unfortunately no one who ever worked on any of the Elder Scrolls games has ever been a competent animator.

>>15876199

you need substantial investment even ith a hybrid

>>15875883

> his post is arguing that player skill should matter more than the character's skills

Take a good long look at >>15858627 before you open your fucking mouth again.

>>15878855

Best RTWP game.

Instead of being cozy threads where you can talk about million things, from mechanics to the narratives, almost always these threads turn into semantics shit flinging about what is a rpg, wrpg vs jrpg, minute genre clasification and other cancer.

How come?

>>15855347

>that actually punishes you for meticulous exploration on which the leveling gimmick is based on.

what

>>15855795

>just stop wasting their time and play the traditional PnP versions

massive waste of time, especially in the past decade

>>15876268

>>15875710

Thanks anons

>>15861321

I can name a zillion. Ultima, Exile, Winged Warrior, Yipe!, Nemesis: The Odyssey, Mantra, on and on and on.

>Moreover the isometric RPGs usually had better gameplay

Yeah no, they usually have shit navigation for starters. Walls that obscure shit on the ground, bad click-to-move controls, etc. The ones affiliated around Black Isle Studios and its imitators in particular have always been shallow trash with bad gameplay all around.

>>15879045

Tabletop autists aren't actually interested in games and have to use semantic arguments to try and justify their tastes.

>>15880015

Also don't forget horrible acceleration and the drift control at high speed turns is non existent.

>game has you creating and expanding a kingdom

>towns and villages are built, the economy grows

>yet all the vendors at the capital are too poor to restock ANYTHING

Fucking Pathfinder Kingmaker. Fuck this game.

I'm going to start playing NWN2 should I just skip the campaign and go straight for mask of the betrayer?

>>15880053

mostly accurate

Playing Gothic 3 with the community patch it's actually really fun.

The Orcs have taken over the mainland and enslaved most of the humans while the latter is trying to set up a rebellion whilst operating from caves.

You are the mercenary who's schemes can sway the war whichever side you feel like.

>>15883938

Gothic 3 is pretty underrated. The music is great too.

>>15883917

Yes

>>15883714

You do know about the various artisans in newly founded villages?

>>15879045

A sizeable portion of the user base is made up of tryhard faggot who think /v/ equals hating everything and having to be contrarian at every opportunity. You'll notice how there are now tons of shitposters unironically saying "/v/ always hated <Game that was well received>" in every thread

>>15876268

I did and I'm fucking right, bitch.

>>15855132

>it’s another “it’s not an RPG unless it is D&D clumsily ported into a game” poster

>>15884172

Yea and because of that you now get "I miss classic Halo :((" threads on this board. Contrarianism for the sake of it.

>>15884172

What the fuck are you talking about? We've had halo threads in the past before and plenty of people like it

The main people who hate it are the same few spergs who always circlejerk half-life 2 as god's gift to mankind and always have to let everyone know that they're playing an inferior product when they play Halo

>>15884137

>>15884210

Those are the same 2-3 people, you only need 3 people who have no problem wasting their entire life doing nothing but shitpost to fool idiots like you.

>>15884249

sorry I'll delete it please talk about CRPGs

I need more games like motherfucking

WIZARD FIRE

>Mark fucking blanket deleted some guy again

the absolute state of this board

>>15883917

>start making character

>no idea what to do

>hours pass

fuck

>>15884314

the only post I see deleted on this thread was someone who deleted their own fucking post you retard, there's no other posts referencing any dead posts in this thread

>>15884647

Make a level one human fighter, prioritize STR, DEX and CON. Focus longswords. You'll do just fine. Don't skip the OC, it's not half bad and you need it for the context.

>>15855344

>Art: dogshit.

subjective

only faggots like you complain that art is shit, when every similar cRPG from the time looked just as shitty and muddy as the next.

>Combat: absolute garbage; either be an utterly useless technician who relies on party members to carry him, or be a mage that wrecks the whole game with a lvl1 spell. Or use a sword/bow like a retard, I guess… making the whole tech/magic gimmick pointless.

Every cRPG at the time had garbage combat, you're just particularly biased against Arcanum.

Arcanum may not be the best out there in terms of combat, but it was sufficient enough to be enjoyable.

TB for most of the time, and using RTwP for garbage mobs.

>either be an utterly useless technician who relies on party members to carry him

You're pretty stupid and not creative if you have to complain about that aspect in Arcanum tbh.

All other games had similar mechanics where you won't go anywhere if you don't know how to effectively use your skills.

>can use traps to kill anyone

>can use bombs/molotovs

>can use poisons

>or be a mage that wrecks the whole game with a lvl1 spell

That's you making a conscious effort to break your own game.

Everybody knows about those broken classes in Baldur's Gate, yet nobody is retarded enough to make it a point of complaint.

There are so many spells to use, and you have to make it so obvious that you're so retarded that you have to rely on one broken spell to get through the game?

>Or use a sword/bow like a retard, I guess…

>waaaah mommy game is giving me options to play the game with

complaining just for the sake of complaining.

>>15889494

Not that guy but you're one colossal faggot.

>>15889555

stay mad faggot

>>15887326

I died a bunch of times. Started to get the hang of things then there's this fight with a red mage. I've died 5 times so far.

Reminds me of that BG2 thing of just being raped until you figure out the right dispel and buffs.

>>15889573

Have you taken your medication buddy? And I stand by my statement: you're one sad sack of shit if you can't say something nice about a game you presumably like without all the consolewar bullshit or the two bit bait.

And for the record I like Arcanum but the combat's halfbaked even by the this game's standards.

>>15889604

Not sure how you played BG2 but can't handle NWN2 but I guess you're lucky in a way. Go some munchkin multiclass build from the get go and you miss out on both the NPCs and having to dick around and experiment with weaker but often more interesting abilities.

>>15889635

yeah enjoy posting shit, i know you get off having the last say on things without having any substance in them

>>15889686

>t. faggot

>>15889635

It's because I went into the expansion, mask of the betrayer instead of the vanilla campaign. I'm done with D&D style games but I heard the story was worth it.

>>15893670

>I heard the story was worth it.

So, why'd you skip like 40% of it then?

>I'm done with D&D style games

OK?

>>15893670

DnD "style" games generally come in either isometric crpgs which may or may not be turn based) or dungeon crawlers, it's rare for any other type of games to have the DnD brand.

>>15894825

I don't know which one of you is more retarded, honestly. One screws up his game by listening to some hipsterfag telling him to skip half the game and you're trying so hard. Nigger, you said it yourself. There's no style because there are anything from RPGs to battlefield clones, RTSs to action games and cowclicker tier mobile shit. There are games with the licensed brand. That's it.

>>15879126

>not obese

>not ugly

>white

Better then 90% of 8chan

>>15895073

Have you tried not being a sanctimonious jackass? Nigger, you don't know what your point is. Stop talking out of your ass, and we'll take it from there.

>>15879258

The gameplay works well enough to go through the story, I've always found it to be one of the easiest in the genre. I do like that although you're immortal and seem to die without penalty it comes to bite you in the ass in the final level.

>>15875746

Is this the New Vegas Bounties mod?

Anyone tried that Russian vodka infused fallout ripoff?

>>15883714

Good thing the rest of the game is way better than the other choices

>dos2 was way more combat oriented than actual story with mostly being "lol put all points in one school" since multiclassing was kinda discouraged

>poe was words words words barely usesble combat with boring leveling system and crippling multiclassing

>poe 2 exactly the same shit but with a gay fish

At least kingmaker fucking actually makes use of the kingdom building system

>>15895529

I guess youre talking about atom, the game is very unfinished and has opt. issues, it still is a nice fallout ripoff but its just unfinished. Try it but dont expect anything groundbreaking

>>15894816

you're just being a contrarian

>>15894825

The more you know, eh.

I unironically enjoy Shadowrun. Takes a while to appreciate it but if you actually roleplay and try to make a little story for your character it can be pretty fun. A bit of a shame that the characters are so one sided good or evil though.

>>15895372

>no true scotsman

Get a life, bro :)

>>15895321

Nah you're just a cunt.

>>15900985

If you like roleplaying a Shadowrunner without a story forcing you to be a character you don't want to be then I'd recommend giving the Genesis port a shot. It doesn't really give a whole lot of characterization to the characters and the plot is essentially revenge on your brother's killer, it's all in your head from there. The game even sets up random encounters to encourage this where you have to essentially guess what the right action is, I always ended up with vampires body snatching people on to rooftops or trying to trick me into following him. The downside is that the goal to reaching your killer is basically just you doing continuous runs to build up karma, if you become a decker then money is no problem.

The SNES port has better story telling but it makes Jake an already named character with a story that focuses around his adventure so it's harder to just pretend you're someone else.

>>15900985

>>15900987

>unironically enjoy

>Get a life, bro :)

hello cuckchan

>>15901073

jebaited

>>15901095

proved my point

:)

>>15901065

Well, you'd know all about being a cunt. And now that we've gotten that out of our system, yeah, SR is great. Have you tried the new ones though? Unity and some shit aside they're pretty alright as far as mercenary games go.

>>15901111

The first Returns is basically a tech demo, or at least that was the entire feel I got for the whole game. I liked Daggerfall's story but overall since it was more of the same before any gameplay improvements they made it felt more tedious just getting to each part. Hong Kong is basically wasted potential left and right, well I only liked 1 character and I just did not like the story the gameplay improvement rarely had anything interesting done to it at least Returns throws a big Troll at you. Overall I'm just sick of the whole turn based cover thing by the time Hong Kong rolled out.

Unity can't be ignored because of the modding scene, what can you do without causing unavoidable lag that slowly creeps in as time passes? You can't so all those big huge projects end up being something you can't play for long.

>>15901185

Dragonfall's alright after the enhanced edition. Something comfy about having a hub to return to. It's a cliche, sure, but games don't do that anymore. Remember that castle you won in Might and Magic VII? But I really liked that mission where you deal with the rival town/base/station/pirate gang or when the janitor ghouls rebel.

HK tried very hard to play like a HK movie from the 80s and 90s. It even kinda succeeded. The combat though? It's probably worse off than in DF with all the broken shit you can use. For example I've taken the dirt cheap 300$ vietnam era grenade launcher, the auto reload arm which goes for about 1400-1600$ and completely broken the game. And then I got the milispec taser and the max affinity cyberwhip. the anti tank vehicle gun from the expansion is the cherry on top

>>15901320

>It's probably worse off than in DF with all the broken shit you can use

This is every CRPG ever. Be less of an autist and use something else if X or Y item ruins the game for you.

>>15901449

>>15901320

>>15901185

Gonna start Daggerfall. I played most of Returns before I got bored. Is guns always the most fun? Magic and decker seemed too complicated for what amounted to the same or less damage.

>>15901608

Returns is way too short to take advantage of Decking, but it's insanely good in Daggerfall and there's enough karma to be a top-tier decker and still have enough points left over to be extremely proficient in rifles.

>>15901608

I messed up the name it's Dragonfall not Daggerfall that's Elder Scrolls

Decker if you don't want to take the Rigger guy along with you, you pretty much have to be a Decker or bring the Rigger if you want to get anything substantial for the plot and sidequests done. Some cyberlimbs is recommended but generally only stuff that gives enhancements to toughness or AP, and the magnetic arm can't ever go wrong with that. Wired reflexes does not dodge attacks even though it says it does, it dodges the first action including heals.

Mages depends entirely on if you decide to go full fire wielding maniac using cooldowns to cycle through your inferno or just want to use status spells. If it's just the status spells you can forgo any attack spells and invest in a gun, but all guns have an exclusive skill tree and the game rigs itself against you being a generalist on purpose.

>>15901858

This is the equivalent of sprinting straight to the enclave, grabbing mk2 power armor and plasma weapons, and then complaining about how easy the game is. Use literally any other weapon you sperg.

>>15902140

I really wouldn't use Fallout analogies to make your point considering what a big fucking joke both of those games are.

>>15902140

>>15902240

Have you tried drinking? I know it's old fashioned but it's more dignified than shitting up random threads just because you're starved for attention come Christmas season.

>>15902264

>discussing bad RPGs in an RPG thread

>shitting up random threads

What did he mean by this

>>15902376

Too many double negatives in this post for me to understand, please rephrase (or don't, actually, lets just post screenshots or something comfy)

>>15904828

Can you play planescape torment solo without a party?

>>15905119

Alright, but it's hardly a game you play to enjoy the high thrill, high challenge tactical combats. Have you tried IWD or ToEE solo runs? That might work for you.

>>15904828

This list is objectively bad

>>15905119

the reason you play PST in the first place is for its narrative and story, your party members add a lot to the game, and going solo is retarded.

>>15905357

Your adventure is theirs as well.

>>15904828

while the descriptions make sense, the examples sometimes don't. For example:

Fallout 2, Vampire, Daggerfall and Wasteland all give you a basic set of PC motivations which would stick them in the WRPG category

Dragon Age Origins, on the other hand gives you several options for origin and background and your choices can have drastic effects on the story's outcome including dooming the world, which would stick it in CRPG

it seems strange that later Elder scrolls games wouldn't fall into the ARPG category with their wysiwig combat

and much as I love TerraNova it doesn't belong on this list in any form; it's a mission-based FPS with an open environment design and a superior shield regen system compared to everything that came after it, not an RPG

if it's on there you may as well include Star Crusader, which has capturing and piloting enemy ships, significant moral choices that can drastically alter the 3rd act, and the most detailed power systems management in vidya

>>15904828

That is the worst fucking list I've ever seen.

>>15904828

>no Vagrant Story

>no Dark Sun Shattered Lands

>no Might and Magic

>not even specific Wizardry games

Nigger what are you doing.

>>15907993

*Oh and Darklands of course, who wouldn't want to roleplay murderhobos in the holy roman empire during the 15th century.

I'm looking forward to Encased, hopefully the codexmonkey's don't fuck it up.