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File: 970623b797e8268⋯.jpg (46.5 KB, 648x778, 324:389, Frank Tenpenny.jpg)

9de2a2  No.15794084

I'm not really sure I understood his plan, or even really knew what his plan was.

At a very basic level, I get his motivations. He was a corrupt officer in a special police task force who used his position to gain lucrative connections with the city's drug dealers, and I get that his ambition combined with his manipulative ability allowed him to secure a position as a bonafide drug kingpin.

But there are a lot of questions. Like murdering CJ's mom, was that an accident while they're were trying to kill Sweet, or did he knowingly assassinate their mother so he could lure Carl to Los Santos and use him as some kind of hired pawn? Because that's what the wiki seems to think.

If he was an ally of the Ballas and Vagos, why did he have CJ kill them in several missions? Why did he break up deals between the Russian Mafia and the Ballas? Why did he tip off CJ to places where key Ballas members would be so he could kill them? Why did Smoke and CJ kill those gangsters?

How did Tennpenny end up forming a big alliance between all the worst gangs in the city? Why did the Vagos, Russians and even Ballas all decide to work for him and Smoke despite the fact that they killed many of them?

How much of the events of the story did Tennpenny actually plan? Was everything that happened in the first act all according to keikaku? Or was he just pulling shit out of his ass as things went along?

6aac18  No.15794166

I think I remember something about CJ's mum seeing a deal with Tenpenny.

As for CJ killing gangsters I'd guess they're trying to screw Tenpenny over so he wants them gone. Or to clean house so Smoke and Ryder can move in.


d0eca1  No.15794208

>Gain control of all gangs

>Cause giant calamity

>Crash society with some survivors so as all those with latent criminal tendencies kill each other

>Clean up the remaining scumbags after the fire

>Restore order with only the "good" people left.

That was my take on it all.


23cb48  No.15794230

He's a nigger that works with glowniggers against his fellow niggers because he's a buster. So he's basically CJ with a badge.


d0eca1  No.15794232

>>15794166 (Checked)

Hang on:

Wasn't there some collectable shit in GTAV that explains exactly what happened to CJ's mum or something?


d0eca1  No.15794238

>>15794230

God I miss Terry and his JewTube videos…


9de2a2  No.15794239

>>15794166

>Or to clean house so Smoke and Ryder can move in.

Yeah, I kinda figured that was what he was doing. He was killing all the "problematic" members of all the other gangs so he could take them over from the inside. I'm not quite sure how it all adds up in some cases. Like the Russian Mafia deal is a real headscratcher. I guess he was trying to fuck over the gangs so they'd be too weak to resist?

I haven't been able to add it all up. As a kid I assumed there was a lot of information I missed or was in some subsidiary material or something, but I don't really see that. I guess some of it is meant to be ambiguous? idk


9de2a2  No.15794247

>>15794232

No, that was a completely different murdered woman and it ended with a secret mission where you chased down a serial killer. If anything, it was a nod to the "Myths" community who always try to find spooky secret shit in GTA games.


69f1f6  No.15794248

>>15794084

Since it's mostly based on the whole Rampart Scandal affair, it's safe to assume that he wanted to become to lead every gang by proxy using his status as a member of CRASH to ensure this. Killing CJ's mom was not intended as the main target was Sweet, this is because GSF was not getting into the drug dealing business and thus were a liabillity to Tempenny's plans, so killing their leader and ensuring CRASH-loyal Big Smoke takes Sweet's place would help consolidate Tempenny's control of LS.

However, this isn't to say that Tempenny wanted the gangs to be loyal mooks, he simply sees the situation as a means to an end, if one gang seems to be in the way of something he wants, he has them enter infighting to ensure that no coalitions against him are ever formed, one of Ryder's missions has you go to a train that has already been targeted by Tempenny to steal weapons, not because he wanted to arm all the gangs but to ensure that they kill each other in the process, further weakening them and strenghtening his control. By that token, the gangs aren't really in an alliance, they just have to comply with Tempenny in order to avoid getting raided by CRASH.

To address your final question, I don't think that Tempenny had some sort of masterfully planned strategy to ensure control of LS, I think it was just a corrupt member of a specialized task force who saw an opportunity using his position as a tool and his corruption as a resource, he just didn't account for CJ's luck for running into powerful connections and a city-wide riot that put him at a disadvantage.


d0eca1  No.15794255

>>15794247

Fair enough. That answers that question.


9de2a2  No.15794281

>>15794248

>Rampart Scandal

Oh, this is actually really interesting. The fact that it's based on something that happened in real life means the true events might fill in at least some of the blanks. We look at what was going on there and we get a better idea of what was happening behind the scenes of the storyline in the game.


d0eca1  No.15794294

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>>15794281

So Tenpenny wasn't trying to do a Ras Al Ghoul/Bane and destroy to rebuild, he was just trying to be king of the hill?


69f1f6  No.15794329

>>15794294

The way he speaks comes off as sort of 2smart4u, but his actions never really hold up to that kind of planning. I never got a "radical reformist" vibe from him, instead he speaks as someone who might say "well, things are fucked up so I might as well be the one in charge of the fucking up", which is evidenced by his substance abuse and his authoritarian leadership (getting Hernandez killed and blowing off Pulaski whenever he asks any questions). He might sound like someone with a plan but he really never shows it.


193dc8  No.15794667

>>15794230

This basically, it's just an updated Vice City with niggers.


c73d54  No.15794723

>If he was an ally of the Ballas and Vagos, why did he have CJ kill them in several missions? Why did he break up deals between the Russian Mafia and the Ballas? Why did he tip off CJ to places where key Ballas members would be so he could kill them? Why did Smoke and CJ kill those gangsters?

Probably for trying to maintain the status quo of the gangs in the city, I mean what really fucked what he had going was CJ coming back and helping groove street to go back into being the most powerful gang in town.

>How did Tennpenny end up forming a big alliance between all the worst gangs in the city? Why did the Vagos, Russians and even Ballas all decide to work for him and Smoke despite the fact that they killed many of them?

He most likely was blackmailing all the top guys in the gangs, same way he was blackmailing you with that cop's murder and later with Sweet in prison.


e4d165  No.15794800

>>15794230

>>15794667

How is Tenpenny a nigger when he literally does all this shit to improve society and get rid of criminals? Because he breaks a few eggs along the way?


e76409  No.15794812

>>15794800 (checked)

Don't forget that in the end Sweet should've stayed in prison considering all the shit Carl did for them to get a better life away from the ghetto, and all Sweet can thank him with is

>NIGGA FUCK DAT SHIT U FORGET WHERE U FROM NIGGA! GSF 4 LYF!


3407a1  No.15794851

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>>15794084

Tenpenny's motivation only makes sense when you factor him into manipulating Big Smoke

On the whole Tenpenny's plan was to get the gangs of Los Santos to stop warring with each other and instead deal drugs for him. He used Big Smoke to do this initially, who then later manipulated Ryder into serving him. It was easy for Tenpenny to get the Ballas on board with this. The Grove Street families were harder to get on board since Sweet wanted nothing to do with drugs. During The Introduction Tenpenny makes it clear to Big Smoke to get Sweet to deal or kill him. Eventually Smoke chooses the latter and gets the ballas driving a green sabre to do it. However they screw up and shoot his mother instead. Which summons CJ to Los Santos and Tenpenny then has another useful idiot. However Smoke's fuck up here causes more problems for Tenpenny

There's a lot of details the writers sprinkled throughout related to Big Smoke. Like

>Why was Big Smoke in CJ's house at the start of the game?

Because he didn't expect CJ to just drop in out of nowhere the day of his mom's funeral. Smoke was waiting in CJ's house for Sweet to arrive so he could kill him and finish the job. CJ arriving made that inconveniant

During missions Smoke's dialogue is curious because whenever CJ or some of the other characters bring up his mother's death. Smoke IMMEDIATELY changes the subject

>How'd moms get killed? We gotta talk about it

>We all gotta talk about it? They was goin' for Sweet!

>How you supposed to know that? You know how people talk. Say one thing then say another. Too damned scared

>Some say they saw a green saber doin' the work. Then speeding away

>Yeah but you know how people talk.

You can see it with all of their missions together. There's also the fan theory that suggests the reason why Big Smoke was ordering mass amounts of food at Cluckin' Bell was to buy time for the Ballas to shoot up Grove Street so he could once again convince Sweet to join up with the Ballas.

>If he was an ally of the Ballas and Vagos, why did he have CJ kill them in several missions?

Because the Ballas stopped playing ball eventually. You can see it with one mission where Tenpenny points out that the Ballas eventually caught onto his plan and tried to cut him out of the equation. So he got Smoke to take them out and the Russians.

>Why did the Vagos, Russians and even Ballas all decide to work for him

Same reason CJ and Big Smoke work for him. He's a master chessmaster. He gives them opportunities and then betrays them.


c0f03b  No.15795340

>>15794812

"I own casinos and have millions of dollars and a mansion and half a dozen bitches and learned how to blow shit up in a jump jet for the CIA but yeah lets throw that out to fight over a cul de sac with some fucked up nigger crackhouses"


14c4eb  No.15795374

>>15795340

Blood and soil, my dude.


23cb48  No.15795376

>>15794800

>How is Tenpenny a nigger

He's black, played by Samuel L Jackson, and he's not at Candyland.


e77ec8  No.15795405

>>15795374

With that much money he could have just gentrified it nigger style.


ef5c4b  No.15795409

He basically manipulated every gang against each other (which explains CJ's involvement) in order for none of them to get too big. All of them had one of their "leaders" under his sphere of influence, but most of the gang kept unaware of their cooperation with other gangs.

His goal was pretty much to make more money, and he was pretty damn good at that.


f15faf  No.15795412

>>15795405

Niggers are not know for their intelligence or long-term beneficial philanthropy acts


ef5c4b  No.15795421

>>15794248

>Killing CJ's mom was not intended as the main target was Sweet

Now that you mention it, didn't the whole affair begin because CJ's mom took the green Sabre for a stroll, and the other niggers thought it was Sweet and shot at it?


f15faf  No.15795474

>>15795421

No, the green Sabre shot the house up, and CJ's mom got the hits instead if Sweet

Now that you mention it, why use a green Sabre?


c4d131  No.15795496

Ok but someone explain to me why the fuck CJ didn't acknowledge ryder when he, tempenny and big smoke took the green sabre out of a garage, it's like he's not even there, he doesn't mention his betrayal in the king in exile mission either.


6def49  No.15795501

The real question is what all Big Smoke ordered at Cluckin Bell


36c9bc  No.15795513

Tenpenny was just a corrupt nigger with a badge trying to take the gangs by the reins.


3407a1  No.15795572

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>15795496

There's speculation this was because the twist of Ryder being in on Big Smoke's betrayal was something the developers did later on in development. We know that the missions were developed mostly independent of each other and different devs worked on different cities. So it's probable that they finished the Los Santos missions first and then later came up with the idea of Ryder betraying the player and incorporated that into the San Fierro missions.


3407a1  No.15795576

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>15795501

Someone actually did an in-depth analysis of what he ordered


20ac21  No.15795607

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>15795576

And a fixed version (to be watched after the first)


d6887f  No.15795614

File: f1c7d05abf41010⋯.jpg (179.5 KB, 450x315, 10:7, 394f75d061d5b0b088ce7f1516….jpg)

>>15795576

>open video

>first 4 seconds and it already shows a cuckchan screencap

This explain everything now


9de2a2  No.15796309

>>15795496

Because Ryder was a sherm-head who regularly insulted CJ and endangered their lives attacking a national guard, so his betrayal felt less hurtful.


b0efa4  No.15798001

>>15796309

>attacking the national guard

To be fair, those were only weekend soldiers.


9de2a2  No.15801220

>>15798001

Well didn't he just show up on Tuesday?


d9573a  No.15801511

>>15795501

a number 9 large, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese and a large soda.

Rest was for other passengers.


9de2a2  No.15801954

>>15795501

A large bucket of chicken, at least two chicken burgers, possibly a chicken wrap, 1 large fries, 3 medium fries and anywhere from 1-4 sodas, including one large.




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