8eda48 No.15710950
I know you hate the game with passion but this time I would like to explore a certain aspect of the game, that is the mess within competitive mode, I have been wondering if the way it frustrates non-eSport players is intentional, I mean, what could Blizzard possibly win by having 90% of their player base in a permanent state of rage and frustration over the fact that competitive barely reflects any semblance of player skill ?
Let's not even forget the smurf issue which may be common in other games but apparently never discussed as much as in OW, the devs have just dismissed the claims saying smurfs climb fast enough to be a non-issue for new players, of course, the only obvious reason in that regard is the fact that the game is not free to play.
Still, I would like to know what you think could there be a benefit for acti-blizzard for having one of the most "toxic" game environments so far?
78d2b1 No.15711069
>>15710950
>barely reflects any semblance of player skill
>Let's not even forget the smurf issue
Do you even read this shit before you post? You're making two mutually exclusive statements right fucking next to each other. This is obviously just a thread for you to indirectly bitch about your losses so you can maintain deniability for having the shit taste to play Overwatch competitively at that. Individual skill has no effect on your winning, but it is unfair that you keep getting matched up against that one smurf who is obviously way out of place for your skill rank. Pick only one of those to use as your excuse for losing, and it will be more believable.
Blizzard probably just didn't care how it played and were solely focused on selling copies. They probably cared even less once they realized the esport crowd around it was fading.
8eda48 No.15711099
>>15711069
For me OW is like smash but for FPS, it still makes me wonder because a lot of people really seem to get very angry at the game from multiple fronts.
a1f449 No.15712071
>>15711099
>completely fail to address the post you're responding to
Any publicity is good publicity, right (((anon)))?
0bc3b4 No.15712154
>>15710950
You're looking to deep into it. Simply, devs don't understand the game. just because they make a game doesn't mean they understand the meta-game. this is proven by their balancing efforts across all their games. They also can't discern the difference between the efforts of an exceptional player that makes something work versus whether something is acually OP or not. A great example is Starcraft 2's constant nerfing of Ghosts. It's a running joke in the Starcraft 2 player base that every patch they will nerf Ghosts.
Devs direction is also a problem. They think banking on eSports will keep them relevant. When really the game just has to be fun, not even balanced tbh. For example fighting games have never been balanced but are very popular. Capcoms attempt at creating an ultra balanced esports friendly Street Fighter V has resulted in two things. Firstly players don't give a fuck coz the ultra balanced, ultra sanitised game is boring and secondly no-one cares about the game outside of eSports. They've lost to Arcsys and Bamco.
Overwatch has both of these problems. Hamfists nerfs/buffs/reworks and too much focus on eSports rather than the actual game experience. They'd make bank if they made some kinda PvE mode that I see demanded absolutely everywhere.
9a0cb3 No.15712223
Keep the goyim at each other's throats and you'll be free to do whatever you want. This isn't a plan nor does it have a goal: it's just Jews gloating openly over their dominion.
b51350 No.15712230
Making people rage in a game, while offering them all sorts of unrealistic hopes and dreams, while making them blame everything except the game, is a great way to get people addicted to your game. I've seen in with League of Legends. People would be mad as hell all the time because of the other players. But they wouldn't get mad at the game, they'd get mad at the other people in the game. There's a billion reasons people had for losing a match of LoL, and none of them involved their own fault
>X fed
>X was a bad jungler
>X didn't farm enough
>X didn't communicate with the team
>X chose a bad character
>Bad team comp
>X on the other team is OP
Games like Overwatch and LoL are designed to make you lose at the game, while giving you promises of something good.
>you're so close to (next rank!)
>you're a good player at X character
>move up in the ranks!
>show off your skins!
It is a hell that's meant to make you feel like shit, while never blaming the game, and assuming the game is going to give you something "awesome" if you stick with it. It's an extremely cruel formula, I believe LoL perfected it and OW is just imitating it.
What better way to get someone addicted to your game than
>if you get good you'll be famous, on all these leaderboards, have all these things to show off how great you are
>we've put you in positions where you're not likely to win, but you'll never blame us, you'll always blame the other players
>oh no you lost, it wasn't your fault!
>try again!
It's extremely effective with the types of people who don't accept personal responsibility for their actions. Which is why games like OW are so good at attracting SJWs, and so bad at attracting people you in /v/.
9a0cb3 No.15712234
>>15712230
It also encourages people to "wind down" with lootbox purchases in between matches like a cigarette break.
8eda48 No.15714827
>>15712071
Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, in other words, I got over my lack of skill long ago, it doesn't make the game any less broken… and I just replied to my own questions.
>>15712154
OK, that makes more sense.
7e6ae4 No.15714905
Overwatch was one of the last PVP games I played before moving away from PVP gaming a few years ago. In every PVP games I played I was always in the bottom 10 percent of players, but when I played competitive PVE games (like, for example Path of Exile) I was always near the top of the ladder.
My conclusion was the whole thing was rigged against solo players.
ede0b2 No.15714916
>caring about Tigole's game
9a0cb3 No.15714918
>>15714905
I remember hearing something about them rigging the matchmaking to put whales at a slightly higher ranking against nonwhales just to reinforce their buying habits.
460a2a No.15714922
>>15712223
I love that marxists openly admit socialism cannot survive or even exist without suckling at the success of capitalism.
8eda48 No.15714923
>>15714918
someone theorized that OW uses a system similar to CSGO which on itself is a downscaled "pro-grooming" version of China's social standing program.
f17852 No.15714928
>>15712230
I kind've feel like it tricks the player into thinking that they're better than they are and eventually if they just get better players on their team they'll reach the next rank or whatever. In reality any players good enough to reach the next rank will just do it regardless of how many shitters they get placed with, it preys on the natural tendency to blame shit outside your control so you don't have to be responsible.
7e6ae4 No.15714933
>>15714923
This is more than possible, and explains why (((streamers))) always seem to have a high ranking in these types of games.
8eda48 No.15714942
>>15714933
It would also explain why balance patches can be heavily in favor of those, when Sombra was being buffed in a certain patch a lot of "pro" players complained and she got nerfed mere days after being buffed.
ede0b2 No.15714947
>>15714918
They also have a system that encourages the bad behavior from their tumblr users. There's a reason why the OWL never took off.
885949 No.15715016
>>15714922
It really can't, though — capitalism starts falling behind, communism starts looking attractive as an option for short-term explosive growth (which capitalism programs people to prioritise) and suddenly you've got Red October.
Naturally, once the new communist state starts to collapse, the capitalist states nearby are all too happy to swoop in like vultures and convert it to capitalism. They're a maladaptive cycle. Only way out is National Socialism.
4eeda6 No.15715020
Wait, people actually play Fapwatch?
I just thought it was disposable cum dumpsters.
ef0034 No.15715044
>>15710950
i think you severely overestimate the devs.
8eda48 No.15715054
>>15715044
Probably, but sometimes I just think they really do it on purpose.
ef0034 No.15715060
>>15715054
what they do on purpose is finding means to exploit the whales, actual balancing is a complete afterthought at this point
8eda48 No.15715068
>>15715060
Precisely, the only connection there would be that frustrated players would spend money on it, mostly on smurf accounts rather than loot boxes, streamers are the ones buying 100+ loot boxes every time there is an event.
e21c9f No.15715096
>>15710950
Don't play Overwatch but I have seen many games seem to cyclical patchnote balance debates as a way to increase player engagement, since the meta becomes the interesting part of the experience in the long run for addicts. There are probably some clever people concerned more with the psychology of manipulating their playerbase than with making a good game, since it's an easier and more profitable strategy.
ef0034 No.15715120
>>15715096
>There are probably some clever people concerned more with the psychology of manipulating their playerbase than with making a good game
it doesn't even take that much cleverness, a good example is whenever they release a new character some harpy shrieks "why isn't there a pan poly woman of color trans/demi xir hero character yet?" and overwatch devs sidestep around it, because they know no one wants to buy lootboxes to get a skin of an ugly tranny, so they release pretty white girls and cool action guys because people will actually want cosmetics for them. when the bitching becomes too prevalent they browse /r/overwatch for a bit and find out what savages headcannon to make real and say "look tracers gay now' and get the heat off them for another few months
8eda48 No.15715126
>>15715096
It is interesting to look at it considering there is no game with a more unhappy player base, I mean, MOBAs have their share of angry players but I see people either adapting or rapidly jumping ship, not in OW, not to mention the condescending way Jeff Kaplan addresses the fans every time he opens his mouth.
ef0034 No.15715129
>>15715126
> the condescending way Jeff Kaplan addresses the fans every time he opens his mouth.
oh they OW fans eat that shit up though, they seemingly love the abuse
8eda48 No.15715131
>>15715129
I really want to punch the fucker.
7e6ae4 No.15715179
>>15715126
If they are so angry why do they still play the game? Shouldn't they have quit by now?
It's because they're addicted/invested.
6594a9 No.15715186
>>15710950
overwatch was pulled from the ashes of "titan" an attempt at producing a next gen MMORPG to replace the dying world of warcraft. somehow even with unlimited funds and a decade+ of development time blizzard had nothing to show for it, but thats how blizzard had always operated, wasting billions of dollars and decades of time on shit that goes nowhere. "some" of the concepts from titan got recycled into what would become overwatch, with a smaller team of libtards they made… Team Fortress 2! (diversity hire edition) even though its loot box cancer at least it's only for "cosmetics" and of course the only true redeeming feature of overwatch, not the "gameplay". its the fap tastic desinges that have spawned uncountable amounts of porn. much to the dismay of the team working on the game and (((activision))). I get little kick out of knowing that a bunch of dykes and cucks are forced to work on a game they hate, for a community they despise. :^)
8eda48 No.15715202
>>15715179
Precisely, that's what makes me wonder if there is any profit considering most of those addicted players aren't buying boxes or smurfing.
585855 No.15715226
>>15710950
theres no benefit to a "toxic" community, as much as some braniacs on /v/ would love you to believe it. there would be benefit for a salty community if they sold power in some fashion.
in the end, they either forgot how to make a video game centered around being fun. or didnt give a shit and chose to neglect that aspects in the hope of being esports.
6594a9 No.15715231
>>15715202
compaid to the first two years, profitability is a shadow of its former self. it's still doing relatively well in asia. blizzard announced at least six more characters are in production, seven if you count the new dyke cowgirl they showed off in a new animation (another Idea they ripped from Team Fortress) i'm sure overwatch mobile with battle royale mode will come out relatively soon (might even get a switch port! lolz)
ef0034 No.15715232
>>15715231
looking forward to the porn of her, gotta say
a5f6ab No.15715240
>>15715231
>another Idea they ripped from Team Fortress
She's a Fistful of Frags character in the body of a League of Legends character with the Force-a-Nature out of TF2 added on completely unchanged. She's Blizzard game design in a nutshell.
ba09fa No.15715245
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15712154
>They'd make bank if they made some kinda PvE mode that I see demanded absolutely everywhere.
They did that as a timed event last year. Players got mad that police were portrayed in a positive light.
>>15712230
I'm going to call this style of game design "anger-based addiction" unless someone can muster a better name.
>>15715240
Don't insult Fistful of Frags like that. The characters in that game have more personality than she does.
pass the whisky
8eda48 No.15715254
>>15715232
>>15715231
After the cinematic some people are already crying for blood because "it makes McCree straight" or some shit.
ef0034 No.15715259
>>15715254
OW fans are fucking subhuman, its like the secondaries are actually the primary players and spend hours jerking off their theories until a new event shows up to play.
ef0034 No.15715269
>>15715245
> Players got mad that police were portrayed in a positive light.
if i remember correctly they said the same thing when D.VA was given a cop outfit. You gotta be deranged to throw a shit fit about those things
>NOOO D.VA WOULD BE ANTI COP AAHHHHH FUUUK
like who gives a fuck its a skin
8eda48 No.15715273
>>15715240
Actually Ashe also reminds me of Lian from Paladins, same personality, has a metal bodyguard, is rich, semi-auto rifle and white hair.
d997e9 No.15715287
>>15715273
Lian's design is 10 times better though.
ba09fa No.15715292
>>15715254
They're crying because they hate white women, although the porn artists are equal opportunity employers.
>>15715259
One thing I've noticed which dictates how "successful" (or at least popular) a game becomes these days is how easy it is for people who know nothing about the game to "participate" in the community by watching other players or doing bullshit unrelated to the actual game.
I saw this happen in the Melee community, which heralded the zombification of that game.
8eda48 No.15715311
>>15715287
I certainly like her a lot more, sadly hirez decided to no longer allow mix and match clothes so I was forever unable to have her original hair with the goddess clothing, and I like my women's feet a lot.
>>15715292
Yeah, that too, they don't like white women and all that shit, still the shippers are complaining about McCree probably being straight despite their ship (mccree x hanzo) not even being possible so far since the characters have never officially interacted in the lore.
b2e292 No.15715324
>>15715287
Paladins design and voice actors are better than OW. Best waifus too
8eda48 No.15715329
>>15715324
Is a shame the developers went full jew and keep changing the system, not to mention the way you get cosmetics each time.
585855 No.15715372
>>15715231
when was there a dyke cowgirl in tf2?
>>15715232
meh, theres a hotter chinese one in paladins
ef0034 No.15715379
>>15715372
>meh, theres a hotter chinese one in paladins
she got red eyes though? that's pretty spicy to me
585855 No.15715383
>>15715324
i feel like if overwatch had the maps and game modes from paladins it would be a lot more fun to play.
the way the maps are laid out actually encourage you to go out and capture high ground, an important page out of tf2 that overwatch completely missed and fucked itself for.
6594a9 No.15715386
>>15715372
No, I meant they took the idea of funny character introduction videos like TF2 had, for their multiplayer shooter that was already ripping off TF2 in a bunch of other ways.
ef0034 No.15715393
>>15715383
>i feel like if overwatch had the maps and game modes from paladins it would be a lot more fun to play.
it's biggest weakness is the shite maps and modes immediately consume the game in its strict metas. Another big issue isn't necessarily ults themselves but no means to keep tab on enemy ult status, so you can just be doing your thing then be forced to scatter because a giant ghost dragon is going to come through town and you're forced back into "neutral". Unfortunately I know these things because i fell for the "bro just play it with your buddies it will be fun" trap with OW
b2e292 No.15715400
>>15715329
As long it's only cosmetics I don't mind.
But would be better to allow to buy direct skins instead of lootbox-only random cancer.
The thing that really bothers me in Paladins and makes me constantly uninstall is the queue/wait time.
For every 15 minutes of gameplay, you keep sitting still for 10 minutes, there is too many wait times, between rounds, between games, matchmaking takes too long, character selection in ranked is ridiculous.
ef0034 No.15715405
>>15715386
even valve can't hold a candle to their own initial "meet the" videos. Those were absolute lightning in a bottle for giving classes a bit of personality in a class based shooter and since then everyone has been over thinking it or trying to hamfist concepts of lore and character relationships into it so they can make gay fanart of it on tumblr
8eda48 No.15715414
>>15715400
and then, when you get into a game, you end up with 9/10 players confirming, which means, you have to Q again.
585855 No.15715435
>>15715379
well, either way theres probably going to be more porn of overwatch rifle girl than paladins rifle girl, so good for you.
what im really salty about is the lack of good evie porn, who would have thought teen witch wasnt popular any more?
>>15715400
oh, is paladins on its way out? i dont remember queue time being that much of a thing. then again youre probably way higher ranked in the matchmaking than i ever was.
matchmaking stinks in games with random teammates. it brings along with it too many downsides to be the main game mode every developer seems to want it to be.
b51350 No.15715476
>>15714928
It does, I've seen it first hand on multiple occasions. It was mostly with LoL. We had a group of friends who always played. One of them was fucking terrible. He'd never say he was bad, but he always had an excuse as to why we lost when we were playing with him. I ditched him, he was shit, but one of my more gullible, open hearted people bought the whole
>wow I keep getting bad team mates!
line of bullshit that shitters always say. The poor bastard duo queued with the shitter. They placed bronze V. I was lmaoing at his life, the kid was so bad he brought down the other friend (who made gold by himself).
The whole purpose of games like OW and LoL are to make the player think they are good at the game no matter what, no matter how bad they are. If you're making a game solely to make money, the fastest way to lose a player is to make them feel like they are shit at the game.
585855 No.15715501
>>15715400
>loli cat girl
given hi-rez love of memes, does she have a taunt yet that references the street guys?
so when are they going to add a loli to overwatch? theyre adding one to heroes of the storm so it seems theyre opening up to the idea.
though i suppose this would be the second if you arent against counting furry lolis.
8eda48 No.15715537
>>15715501
Maeve is basically a street orphan or something.
2e44b0 No.15715543
>>15712230
While all of this is true the devs don't need to do any of this really. All they have done and will continue to do is have an outlet for costumers who naturally do this themselves. A safe space, in a way.
The game itself is simplistic and relies on a combination of holding back information from the player (tons of abilities are flash-bangs like the Moira ult before change, fov is really low) and instant gratification. As a player you are supposed to be cannon fodder for a bunch of matches until you get a random ultimate in that results in a team wipe. Solo ults are almost guaranteed kills so this also helps tilted autists.
>>15715435
Paladins went through at least 3 dev team changes and they have strangled the game with retarded patches so it's in a coma. The guys with the original ideas are long gone and now you have people who put garbage like fernando is gay btw
aa2925 No.15715558
i have access to some brazil nigger's overwatch account. what's the best way to troll overniggers b4 it gets banned?
8eda48 No.15715567
78bcda No.15715575
>>15715543
>fernando is gay
What? The only weird thing I saw was the female/trans pip skin, as the char wasn't enough tumblr furfaggotry fuel before.
2e44b0 No.15715591
>>15715575
Yeah, IIRC the lead dev pulled it out of his ass in a QA video in July this year that the most flamboyant womanizer is somehow LGBT.
585855 No.15715597
>>15715543
the womanizing knight is gay now? well then!
>>15715558
i dont think theres anything you can do that wont upset somebody. people are super wound up in that kind of atmosphere.
you can carry people and upset them because you carried them improperly. you know, you gotta support the babies head and all that jazz.
79866c No.15715604
>>15715400
Your webm just crashed my tab.
f479d6 No.15715617
>>15714918
No, that was CoD WW2.
>>15715273
You know things have gotten bad when you start stealing from your imitators.
Brigitte looks like Ash, Sombra plays just like Skye and Hanzo had some of his original abilities replaced with Sha Lin's.
8efe76 No.15715636
>>15715393
Playing with friends only works if the game is great or terrible. Mediocre games provoke an apathetic reaction.
>>15715604
>using the browser to watch videos
Download and watch in mpv
78bcda No.15715640
33b0e7 No.15715646
>>15715636
the only good thing from Overwatch.
8eda48 No.15715658
>>15715617
I think OW has a more "restrained" creative control since is not set in a fantasy world, the most extreme "non-human" things they have done other than robots are the gorilla, the hamster and widow (blue skin), on the other hand I think certain aspects in Paladins don't go very well, namely soldiers and mages.
2e44b0 No.15715672
>>15715575
>>15715597
Found it, apparently they want something closer to the Miss Pauling method than Tracer.
ef0034 No.15715686
>>15715636
>Mediocre games provoke an apathetic reaction.
pretty much, I had some laughs with it but mainly because I was bullshitting with my buddies, when I tried to play it solo I'd mostly just get bored. the 3v3 elim mode was kinda fun for bullshitting too
585855 No.15715703
>>15715672
once again fernando takes the damage for his team. this time its in his butt though.
95b8bd No.15715706
The reason for OW being such a shitshow isn't some evil conspiracy nor some twisted social experiment or whatever, it's just plain INCOMPETENCY.
Nearly everyone working in this game is a total fucking idiot, and the retards on top of the team are just walking caricatures
79866c No.15715934
>>15715640
I'm using waterfox, but I'll definitely consider it.
601bf2 No.15718290
>>15715640
Just use palemoon.
96b23b No.15731991
>>15715640
Mozilla have being going down the shitter for almost 6 years now but if Firefox died all of its forks would also lose the huge amount of support FF generates by being a big name.
190506 No.15732274
>>15715706
this. why putting any effort in when you can just stack waifus and virtue signal so normalfags will lap it up by the truckload?
040082 No.15732279
>>15715706
no, it's actually because of pandering to the casualization of video gaming and jewish characters for maximum profit combined with incompetence
2d14e1 No.15736143
>>15715292
>Last pic
I feel like that image glosses over that Pharah is basically that one character from Quake 3
b3c900 No.15740160
>>15736143
>cuckchan filename and terrible taste in women
Checks out.
>>15715706
Nah if it was just incompetent they wouldn't have made such a big deal out of the faggot characters.