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>The shittiest and weakest game he ever made is his last one

I mean generally you want to go out on a high not but maybe he's self-aware enough to realize he just don't "got it" anymore.

>>15673727

Makes me wish Mashpotato Samurai would follow suite.

>>15673742

>complains about younger blood while posting Xenoblade 2

Xenoblade 2 had a shitload of young blood anon

Somebody needs to take over. Hopefully it isn’t the person who headed Sun/Moon because the series will just continue on its downward spiral.

>>15673752

We lucked out with Xenoblade. Lighting does not strike twice.

>>15673742

Well, there's been other directors of Pokemon games. There's Ohmori, who did the shitty ORAS and less shitty SM. I personally like what Iwao salvaged from SM in USUM, but I like little side things that flesh out the world so I'm biased in that respect. He seems to be a sort of protege of battle director Morimoto, which is probably why he added a kind of shitty Battle Factory to USUM, which is more than I can say Ohmori did in his remake.

>>15673757

I'd rather have endless cutscenes and free items, punctuated by occasional difficulty spikes than XY or whatever the fuck Masuda is doing with Let's Go. I'd rather Ohmori not direct either frankly but he's the lesser of two evils. If somebody makes sure to make getting online not retarded that's a step in the right direction, Festival Plaza was a mistake, and this is coming from somebody who loved Join Avenue.

>>15673752

Being helmed by people who knew what the fuck they were doing.

>>15673764

Xenoblade is shit, though.

>>15673782

I’d rather not have either of those two evils in a company with a multitude of people. Surely someone there has enough ambition to actually change the series for the better.

Masuda's departure is the only hope for the Pokemon series. If Gen 8 is shit despite his departure then there's no hope for it going forward.

>>15673709 (OP)

nice archive faggot

>>15673709 (OP)

Kinda sad. The last game were he put his soul into it was BW which gave us BW2. The harsh critics of the game, being made mostly by Genwunners (Muh ice cream! Muh Trash!) broke him

>>15673742

>pokemon

>good since Platinum

anon, please.

>>15673853

Funny how pandering to the genwunner crowd is one of the reasons why the games haven't been good since Gen 5.

Also everybody in this thread is a moron. No director is single handedly responsible for why Pokemon has degraded over the years in terms of single player games. You have to remember that during the development of a Pokemon game isn't just Game Freak making decisions on what should and shouldn't be in the game. The Pokemon Company International and big daddy Nintendo all have their hands in development as well. TCPi should be complicit because I'm sure they're the ones that want Pokemon to move to mobile the most.

>>15673846

Not if you're going to post shit art of a shit character

>>15673853

BW2 wasn't good, though

>>15673819

You're shit.

>>15673846

Honestly, the best rivals in the series aren't assholes. Although that's mostly because only two are assholes, and only Blue is really good while Silver sucks shit.

>>15673853

>The harsh critics of the game, being made mostly by Genwunners (Muh ice cream! Muh Trash!) broke him

No. What broke him was Yokai Watch and the Mobile market. When Yokai Watch was stealing all the younglings attention in japan he decided to try to get the mobile audience. That's why all of gen 6 and 7 were empty as fuck, and that's his specific reasoning for not bringing back Battle Frontier; the mobile audience he wanted doesn't have time for anything beyond the E4 so he didn't bother putting it in

>>15673900

>What broke him was Yokai Watch and the Mobile market. When Yokai Watch was stealing all the younglings attention in japan he decided to try to get the mobile audience.

Did Yokai Watch REALLY do that good? I was under the impression of it being one of the most forced franchises on the market.

>>15673709 (OP)

Well if the newer blood means more casual shit and make it as easy as possible, then we'll never get anything interesting.

>>15673877

Yeah, funnily enough people who play the games are sick and tired of Kanto.

>>15673900

I can't disagree here. At least the mobile thing. He seems to believe that people expect the same from a console and a phone game. Which is utterly not true. As for YW, I am not sure. Sure YW was popular and its anime was better than the Pokemon one (which is not a hard thing), did it really put a dent on the games sales? I don't think so.

>>15673900

>still believing this

YW only BRIEFLY had a surge in popularity that rivaled Pokemon for awhile and that was solely due to very aggressive marketing. The emptiness of the games isn't because of the mobile audience not having time it's because the majority of players who play Pokemon don't bother with anything past the main story. Why bother making something only 10% of your sales will even touch?

>>15673909

>Did Yokai Watch REALLY do that good?

Yokai Watch was fucking HUGE in japan, it completely eclipsed pokemon and was one of the best selling 3rd party series on a nintendo platform on getting beat by Monster Hunter. It just burned faster since Level 5 decided to pump up games faster than Game Freak ever did. Now the series is already at the point where Pokemon was in gen 5; only dedicated fans still play and the devs are trying to figure out a way to take the series in a new direction

>>15673930

>it's because the majority of players who play Pokemon don't bother with anything past the main story

I thought the majority of players played it so that they could play against their friends, wouldn't that give them incentive to explore as much of the game as they could?

>>15673947

No, it's incentive to rush the game as quickly as possible while also reading guides on where to get the right items. Me? I like taking my time, but even I rarely touch battle facilities, mostly because I suck at them. A sort of "mission mode" like Gale of Darkness' Battle Sims or B2W2's Pokestar Studios is more my style.

I want a Metroidvania style overworld map with ride Pokemon as upgrades.

>>15673995

After what happened to Denpa Men I'd rather not have Genius Sonority work on Pokemon anymore. I would like to see a bunch of fans make a sort of Pokemon Mania, with good 2D art and all the stuff people actually like about Pokemon.

>>15674002

Ironically, as far as using HM's to explore optional parts of the world, BW handed it best with Surf. Not so much with every other HM, but Surf unlocks an entire route and several side areas all at once, I kind of wish more stuff like that happened in Pokemon. In the end however, Game Freak will always find a new roadblock, even guys standing there dancing for no reason.

>>15674002

That sounds faggy

>>15674059

>Directors are the only ones who make games

>>15674001

>Shigeki Morimoto

That sounds like a fucking pseudonym for Shigeru Miyamoto.

>>15674070

He is the director of Emerald and HGSS

>>15673846

What's with the non-white hands?

Pokemon is shit and will forever be shit, Gamefreak is not going to let anyone experiment with their cash cow, the only thing you will see is a lot more of these spin offs and mobile games that will try to recreate the viral success of Pokemon GO

>>15674087

He was also the one who casualized the series and made it more story driven in black and white;

in fact that's one of the few things you can confirm he was behind completely as he said it himself in an interview.

>>15674119

>You can really contrast how Tajiri, Masuda, and Ohmori direct games based on how they play

Can you?

>>15674158

All these games are the fucking same, only the romhacks are different.

>>15674147

Don't know about 5, but I liked gen 4. Any particular reason why you hate them?

>>15674147

Anon, Gens 4 and 5 had HG and SS as well as BW2 Generally considered to be the best games in the whole series.

The hell games do you consider good?

>>15674174

>only the romhacks are different

As in worse. I've only enjoyed one romhack and that was Brown, and retrospectively Brown was pretty shitty too

>>15674059

gen 5 was good though

>>15674212

Still the best games in the series remakes or not.

>>15674158

Of course! During the early development of the first Pokemon game, it went from a game about working alongside kaiju looking motherfuckers who weren't necessarily built for battle, possibly with no types and little emphasis on evolution, until it became what it was today. Simiarly Gen 2 also underwent massive changes during development. To me it seems Tajiri didn't really know what he wanted. Probably why he quit after Gen 2. The differences between Masuda and Ohmori are a bit more subtle, probably because Ohmori learned a lot from Masusa since he joined the team during development of RS. Masuda is more likely to throw you into a really generic save the world plot where everything is overall easy, while I noticed Ohmori seems to be more into cutscenes about character interaction and giving you items all the goddamn time, while also ignoring weird difficulty spikes if you happen to be asleep at the wheel or not using certain Pokemon. In other words Masuda's control freakishness is all about making the game as inoffensive as possible, while Ohmori's is about just making it easy to get through while trying to give interest in other ways. Neither of those work well. I also wonder how well the other directors would do if they didn't have a good game to base it off of. The only ones I really have hope for are Morimoto, because he's seen this shit before, Iwao, because again I really liked all his touches in USUM, and Unno because he went above and beyond for B2W2.

>>15674212

Except they're good remakes and not a shit one like ORAS, worth a pirate

>>15674230

Did you reply to the wrong post?

>>15674230

And yet nobody noticed or cared about any of these bugs because Pokemon is a game made to entertain little kids.

>>15674245

I saw "it went from x to y", stopped reading there, and automatically posted that. Was I correct?

>>15674220

>>15674236

Remakes/Remasters/Retellings, by definition, can't be good.

You can only ever do something for the first time once.

They're, at their core, shitty cash grabs that retards like.

>>15674259

How does it feel to be incredibly wrong?

>>15674265

How does it feel to be incredibly autistic?

>>15674258

Do you have autism?

>>15674249

Except even as kids most of us knew about some of these bugs?

>>15674266

Feels pretty good considering I'm more intelligent than you.

>>15674270

Don't ask me.

>>15674270

Well go play your rehashes, build your legos, watch Rick and Morty, or whatever you 200IQ proud autismos do. Don't bother me none.

>>15674249

>It's okay that it's shit because it's for kids

Fuck you, I'm going to list a few good reasons why you're wrong. First off, you have no idea what moves even do in Gen 1 because there's no move descriptions. Second off, there's so many problems that you're bound to run into one of them. Now, you won't cause arbitrary code execution on accident, but you might just accidentally make it so your Ditto can't use struggle or you use Rage in the wrong battle and get stuck in an endless loop. Not to mention that fucking kid messing up your game and stranding you on Cinnabar. It's not impossible that bad things will happen. Granted you might not always see them, but it's always happening. There's bugs in many games that you don't even know are happening. Did you know that the duck stab in OoT doesn't use it's own damage, and instead uses the damage of the last attack you did?

>>15674258

HGSS to B2W2 is the peak of the series for me. I was actually talking about the change from the very early Capsule Monsters concept to the modern Pokemon concept seen in every released game. I find the development of Pokemon fascinating. Here's a good series of articles on it.

https://helixchamber.com/2018/09/11/internallist/

>>15674305

Yes. There are no move descriptions. You can't see how much damage you're doing. But everyone has beaten Pokemon because it's for little kids. You mash the A button until you have all the badges.

>>15674335

Yes, we all know about dominant strategy. But what about anything else? Let's take a theoretical extreme situation. If every move in the game didn't work as intended, but one just instantly killed everything, would you consider the game working as intended? Genuine question, because while technically the game is beatable, that wasn't what was intended. This is mostly a philosophical problem, but the point is just because you can finish something with minimal problems, doesn't mean everything doesn't fall apart under the least bit of scrutiny. And the biggest thing is, Game Freak tried their hardest to get rid of all the problems in every subsequent game, which means clearly they thought something was wrong. Granted you could imply that's just "balancing", but at that point we're really splitting hairs.

>>15674200

Different doesn't mean worse, don't pretend to not know English to sound cheeky when you play with the same toy like an autistic child.

>>15674467

I don't know how to articulate what's wrong with your post, but let me start by saying that nothing you said was accurate in any way.

>>15674655

>Aesthetically a matter of opinion

Yes and da Vinci is also a shit artist by some opinion.

>technically inferior to the following games in almost every way

Yes and otherkin who 3D print a vagina using a Bluetooth app synced to Facebook with the $300 Million dollars xe got from a Google/"I Fucking Love Science" Joint venture is technically superior to the Apollo Guidance Computer.

>>15675063

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, why don't you make like a tranny and fucking kill yourself

>>15673727

He never had it, the first Pokemon game he helmed involved cutting features from Gold and Silver, this guy is complete shit and the only reason he's in his position is because of his sperglord mate who founded the company.

New blood is a gamble, but at this point that gamble is worth it.

>>15674467

>they won't make a pokemon game with a shader that recreates this look in real time

Why even live.

>>15676283

I think the faded, outlined look of some of the recent 3D models is supposed to emulate that look. Either they did a shit job with it, or that's not what they're going for. Either way they're retarded.

It is a shame that Pokemon is dying in both the east and the west. Anime is shit now (and has been a for a while) and the 7th gen was by far the worst gen. Hopefully After Pokemon Go to the Polls 2 we get a half decent game that is a console seller because I'm not buying a switch any other way.

Maybe they can finally fix the rampant hacking, just make it always online or on PC already. Nintendo wastes all of its IPs with their shitty platforms.

>>15676255

>He never had it, the first Pokemon game he helmed involved cutting features from Gold and Silver

Why are you retarded?

>>15676448

>Anime is shit now

false

>>15676448

Anon Gen 6 was the worst Gen by a wide margin. Gen 7 was actually a step in the right direction, just not nearly a large enough one.

>>15674119

What's the source of this?

>>15676471

I guess I am one of the few people who thought that ORAS was one of the few redeeming parts of the series.

>>15676491

You are

>>15676471

Gen 7 was trash, but I'd like to hear your opinion. Fully typed out as to why you believe it.

>>15674220

>Added retarded story bullshit about how you're the one destined to catch the version mascot instead of letting the player explore and find it on their own, totally undercutting the feeling of accomplishment

>Added tons of dumb cutscenes with the kimono girls that added nothing to the game

>With animations off the battles took longer than gen 2 with animations on

>The gym redesigns often undercut what made interesting in the original or added tedious and poorly-designed puzzles

>Painfully shallow attempts at characterizing one-dimenional NPCs

Literally everything the remakes added made the games worse. Yes, the more developed battle mechanics developed from gen 3 and 4 were probably an improvement overall, but I could not fucking get to the end of that miserable slog of a game. They should have just done a straight port of gen 2 into the gen 4 engine.

Ah, wait, I just remembered they had your lead pokemon following you. That was a really nice feature. Probably the only major improvement.

>>15675186

The amount of porn these two don't have is fucking criminal.

>>15676494

Well All I said it was better then Gen 6. Mainly due to the characters being no longer chibified on the map and the fact that you could move about the map more freely, and I do like the ride pokemon feature over the old HM's.

>>15676491

ORAS was a good remake, but that's it. It wasn't a good remake + expansion while including features from previous games and games in that same generation like HGSS were. ORAS shined in giving people the same overall experience that the original Ruby and Sapphire gave people but with some extra bells and whistles but that's where it stops and why people were disappointed. People expected a Battle Frontier of some sort, and then got shat on with the whole "most people never even bother with the post game". People expected trainer customization since XY had it. and then got shat on with the reasoning that "oh we wanted trainer customization to be XY's unique thing". And then there's the whole Delta Episode thing which sort of is a symptom of everything wrong with the more story driven Pokemon games. You're some sort of chosen one that NEEDS to catch Rayquaza and stop some meteor because the alternative is sending the meteor to another dimension BUT according to some annoying random chick's intuition it MIGHT destroy another Pokemon world in the other universe. It's incredibly forced for how simple the whole plot is.

>>15676501

>all that greentext

>applying to HGSS at all

Are you retarded?

>The amount of porn these two don't have is fucking criminal.

Yep, you're retarded

>>15676518

>>You need to fuckoff back to cuck/vg/

And you need to fuck off back to wherever you came from because you're wrong about nearly everything you posted

>>>/v/15676523

Ah, yes, I totally remember how the Kimono girls totally didn't force you to battle Lugia, that is definitely a thing I remember not happening so distinctly.

>>15676538

>>>>/v/15676523

Okay you really need to go back where you came from if you don't know how to reply to posts on this website.

>>15676557

And filtered.

>>15676494

Super Secret Bases were nice. That's about all I can say that was good about ORAS. As for Gen 7 overall, I only hated everything when Lillie was on the screen, the rest of the time it was mediocre to pretty good at some points (mostly in USUM). Gen 6 was mediocre at best and every time a character talked I completely zoned out because none of it was even remotely interesting, and all your "friends" were terrible. Similarly, nothing really stood out gameplay wise in Gen 6, while 7 had a few mild challenges which is better. Gen 6 lacked a third version to fix it's problems, and while Gen 7 not only improved some of Gen 6's problems, but USUM fixed some of SM's problems too. The only advantage Gen 6 has is the PSS which is really good.

>>15676501

Blame the Gen 4 engine for the slowness, it was even worse in Platinum and especially DP. As for the gyms, you're also missing the fact that they made the actual gym leader battles not suck complete shit. Kanto was vastly improved.

>>15676518

>Safari stuck behind online

What version of Gen 4 are you playing?

>>15676536

You mean using Rage on a Primape? What if your favorite Pokemon is Primape? Rage is a pretty good move, and if you use it you on her Dewgong, you have to reset. Not even talking about the softlock, just the endless loop in battle that dooms you. There's a reason people came up with the softlock, and a reason they actually "fixed" this in Yellow. Because it was a problem. Just because you fall and don't break your ass, doesn't mean it was safe to fall. You fucking retard.

>>15676487

A couple of months ago, a biographical manga about Satoshi Tajiri came out. Helixchamber restored the images of all kinds of secret files.

https://helixchamber.com/2018/08/07/tajiri-manga/

They also looked over some Game Center CX footage to find even more secrets.

https://helixchamber.com/2018/08/06/game-center-cx-and-you/

I really hope we see the high quality footage of that someday.

>>15676567

Thank you, I haven't followed Pokemon since the S/M anime was total shit. I will take a look. I like all of the archival Gen 1 / Gen 2 artwork.

>Seasons

>Secret Bases

>Battle Frontier

>Pokemon following you

>Pokemon contests

>Underwater

>Underground

>Safari Zone

>Game Corner

>Vs Seeker

>Bug Catching contests at the Park

>Day and Night

>Trainer Customization

>Pokewalker

>Pokemon Ranch just to chill

>Unown mode pokedex to encourage unown hunting

>Surfing Minigame

>Pokeathelon

>Riding Pokemon

Look at all the cool shit that may not make it next gen.

>>15676582

Is there any worth in playing the demo?

>>15676573

Okay

>>Safari stuck behind online

>not true in the slightest

>>Shittons of content behind online

>not true in the slightest

>>Barely any decent designs

>not true in the slightest

>>Barely any decent new mechanics or fun ideas outside Giratina in Platinum

>not true in the slightest

>>App system taht's only used to pad out the game

What app system?

>>Game Corner removed

Not Game Freak's fault

>>Forgettable and bland in every way outside Solaceon ruins and the final act

>not true again

>>Forcing you to use the stylus while having shoddy implementation

>not true again

Did you even play a single Gen 4 game?

>>15676582

Wow this is amazing, you've made my day good sir.

>>15676582

It's cool that the beta got leaked. However it would be cool for there to be a rom hack to remake the beta as a completed game, or at least hack gold version to remake it.

>>15674305

>that fucking kid messing up your game and stranding you on Cinnabar.

I haven't heard of this. You have a link to more info about this?

>Ditto can't use struggle

Haven't heard of this, either. I thought the only way that could happen is a ditto vs ditto trainer mirror match, since you can flee from wild dittos, which is why no trainers use ditto.

>Endless Rage loop

Or this one! I'm not defending Gen 1, I'm really curious about these.

>>15676570

I'm complaining about FTGxHM. There's like two images of that. I know there's plenty of Hex Maniac and most of it is shit.

>Announcing filters

Would you expect any less from a man so autistic his only argument is "I"m right and you're wrong?"

>>15676567

> As for the gyms, you're also missing the fact that they made the actual gym leader battles not suck complete shit.

I don't know, most of the Johto fights felt kind of lame. A sudden unexpected spike in difficulty through something weird like Whitney's Miltank or Falkner's underleveled Pidgeotto is pretty much the only way to create difficulty instead of grindiness in a pokemon game and it felt like they really smoothed out those spikes.

I can't really speak to Kanto being improved since I just gave up halfway through it because of how fucking tedious everything was. What exactly was improved about it?

>it was even worse in Platinum and especially DP

Holy shit are those games even playable? Is every move a summon from Final Fantasy?

>>15676582

God, they just need to let us fly around on our Pokemon at this point. I've always been tantalized by what's beyond the shitty natural barriers in-game, and it would be a great opportunity for actual exploration and secrets.

Oh well, the games blow now anyway. Or maybe they always did and I just outgrew them.

>>15676650

How is it denial? Neither of Gen 4's Safari Zones were stuck behind online, nor was shit tons of content. Everything you claimed isn't true in the slightest. Learn how to argue, fag.

>>15676608

Not really, at this point it's basically the actual demo of like one route and a rival battle, and some debug stuff which could be fun to fuck around in. There's a team translating and researching the demo on and off, but it's not produced much interesting yet. Personally, I'd like to see the index numbers for the new Pokemon in this, we could definitely see an interesting pattern from that.

>>15676616

I'm sure somebody's been working on it. Hope you find one.

>>15676647

On the topic of glitches, I've half known about the Rage Lorelei glitch and Cinnabar softlock for a while, but some youtube faggot called Pikasprey not only did youtube videos on them, but tried to solve the softlocks. The series is called Softlock Picking, if you want to look it up yourself, it's pretty interesting. As for the Ditto glitch, he discovered that one while trying to play Gen 1 with only a Ditto. Crytal_ did a video explaining why the fuck that happened, I'll embed it.

>>15676649

ORAS had soaring. It was shit. I believe that an open world Pokemon game would be a horrible idea. I'd rather have optional side content, in general. Then I can skip it or put it off like Seafoam Islands.

>>15676650

No, seriously, which Gen 4 Safari Zone is behind online? Not the Great Marsh, not the one in HGSS, and the Pal Park involved the GBA slot. You didn't even have to turn on local wireless.

>>15676675

To be fair, the GTS, Battle Videos, a mode of the Battle Tower that had a ribbon, and some game plaza thing I never used were behind online.

>>15676681

>I believe that an open world Pokemon game would be a horrible idea.

That's because you're a retard. Pokemon's potential can only be realized in a video game with an open world monster raising focus akin to Digimon World 1, rather than babby's first JRPG. They just can't do it because people would lose their fucking minds.

>>15676698

Dude, only retarded teenagers think "open world Pokemon" would be a good idea. And Digimon World was fucking garbage.

>>15676712

Changing the battle system is equally retarded.

>>15676703

>>15676712

Precisely. The games are held back by their format and they can't switch to a new one because of the resource investiture being not worth it. This is why Pokemon does not work as a video game and instead should only be played on tabletop.

This game is for babies, basically.

>>15676722

You are extremely retarded

>>15676724

>though many events and content is

There are only two events that were held as online distributions, and they were hardly content. Try again, shitface.

>>15676721

That's the thing. It would be too difficult to change the battle system and resource draining. If they argue for open world, they might as well change the battle system to real time or ARPG. I think we should return to the gen 3 system, at least the speed aspect because the current games are slow.

>>15676698

How do you balance a game like that? Open world RPGs tend to have a problem with EXP scaling. Enemies that scale to your level are a bad idea because you don't make any fucking progress, not to mention wild Pokemon learn moves at certain levels. Even just scaling trainers isn't the best idea. I guess Gym Leaders could scale based off the number of badges, and I guess going in overpowered is your prerogative. But if you don't scale levels, you can powerlevel which also destroys any challenge. Say what you want about self imposed challenges, but they're just that, self imposed. Honestly Gen 5 and 7 got the main game challenge mostly right with their EXP scaling keeping you at a good level. Too bad about postgame, you should be allowed to turn that shit off if you want once you beat the champion.

>>15676722

Oh, you want to change the game to appeal to a wider audience, I get you. Fuck off, Pokemon might be an unbalanced mess, but I sure as fuck don't want it to be an Action RPG or something. There's other games to do that.

I think Gen 3 had a semi-perfect battle system and if refined then combined with an overworld packed with content like >>15676606 then it can be a really good game. Give good difficulty scaling and an asshole rival.

>>15676737

>Fuck off, Pokemon might be an unbalanced mess, but I sure as fuck don't want it to be an Action RPG or something.

Case in point, look at how bad Pokemon Generations (the fan game not the OVA series) is

>generic action game control scheme and combat style

>no skill or tactics involved just spam your attacks to win

>stats are incredibly simplified because combat is simplified

But normalfags ate this up 5 years ago (before it was cease and desisted) and shilled it everywhere especially /vp/ while going "HURR DIS IS WHAT POKEMON SHULD BE"

Please excuse the YT embed, I don't want to bother webming anything

>>15676757

>I think Gen 3 had a semi-perfect battle system

You keep saying this but what do you mean? The battle system in Gen 3 is the same as Gen 4's, 5's, etc. If you're simply talking about the presentation especially considering the 3D games and their frame rate drops yes I can agree but you really need to figure out a better way to explain what you're talking about.

>>15676757

THIS!

>>15676768

Unless he really fucking hates the physical special split, he might be bitching about how after Gen 4 the speed at which battles go never fully recovered. I recall when I was getting all the ribbons on a single Pokemon, Gen 3 as pretty fast while Gen 4 can get unbearable sometimes.

>>15676774

You damn well know they'll never do anything like that. Also, we were talking about video games, you're the one that changed the subject to playing pretend.

>>15676765

>4

Darkrai and Shaymin were the only ones locked out via released events. Arceus never got its event released, but it was a Gamestop and Wi-fi giveaway, and every other Gen 4 event Pokemon was available through different games and Wi-fi giveaways.

>>15676774

Tabletop games are for fags

>>15676785

Yeah, I'm saying that Pokemon is inherently limited as a video game, faggot. Playing pretend is the best way to experience it, unless you're some idiot who thinks that playing pretend with a screen and pixels is better.

>>15676784

>First 3 felt like obvious progress, from Gen IV content wise it was 1 step forwards 2 steps back in terms of cotent

Except, as we've already covered, you're retarded and your opinion doesn't matter.

>>15676789

Every video game is inherently limited by the fact that they are constrained on a limited computation device. The challenge of a video game comes from dealing with those limitations. If there's no limits there's no fun. For an example, look how every Pokemon tabletop game butchers the lore and established mechanics because they think it would be better.

>>15676790

He's right about GF removing features for no reason. We can argue it started as early as Gen 3 with how it barely implemented then straight up did not implement time of day. Heck, you can argue in the jump from Yellow to Gen 2 they removed following Pokemon. He's wrong about it starting in Gen 4, GF's always been retarded.

>>15676606

Don't forget asshole rivals and the ability to name them. They need to bring a lot of this back.

>>15676813

Which would you rather have

>Limited time Wi Fi or wireless event that can be re-sent now that hackers have created servers and modified distro cart roms

>Limited time real life events that have to rely on the possibility of a cart leaking, which might not even exist

I'm picking the former for preservation reasons. Gen 4 introduced and pretty much killed in game events triggered by items due to glitch abuse allowing you to go find them anyway, which Game Freak fucking hated because they're control freaks.

>>15676813

>It was bad enough with Gen 3

Actually it was worse in Gen 3 because all of those involved going to physical events that happened only in metropolitan areas (or in Mew's case Japan only events) therefore locking those events from anybody who lived in rural areas, like myself. and you couldn't get Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, or Deoxys any other way. At least with Wi-fi events I could get Shaymin and Darkrai and other Pokemon with no issues. You're complaining about a non-issue anyhow. Event Pokemon aren't counted towards Pokedex completion and you can simply hack those events into the games.

Am I the only one annoyed that Incineroar is based off a wrestler despite most wrestling Pokemon being super effective against his type?

>>15676838

>Prove me wrong.

You already proved yourself wrong by thinking tabletop gaming is any fun, like the massive faggot you are.

>>15676840

Well typically to beat a wrestler you have to be a wrestler yourself. To quote the great Ric Flair: To beat the man, you gotta be the man

>>15676840

Did you want another Fire/Fighting starter?

>>15676850

They could have at least gave him a different design.

>>15676830

So, which rivals do you consider assholes? Obviously, Blue's kind of a dick, and he's not bad. I've said this before but Silver's a useless jobber who sucks shit and only defining feature is being a jerk. May/Brendan disappear halfway through the game, I say good riddance. But Wally was a nice surprise, glad they didn't repeat that. Barry is actually pretty good, he's competitive, pretty strong, and while he's not a jerk he doesn't fawn over you either. The rivals from BW are better as characters than rivals, but aside from "muh sisters Purloin" what was his personality? Gen 6 rivals do not need to be discussed, they're all terrible. But Hau is actually pretty good in USUM, because his character arc gets completed and YOU get to be the jerk rival, it's an overall satisfying rivalry for different reasons.

>>15676840

He's a real heel.

>>15676838

If you don't like Pokemon on a mechanical or lore level, what do you even like about Pokemon? The porn?

>>15676860

>but aside from "muh sisters Purloin" what was his personality

I forgot to list his name, Hugh. That's how forgettable he was.

>>15676856

What, like some badass inferno panther instead of a meathead lunk?

>>15676860

Did I say I don't like the mechanics? I said they were limited, not bad. I also like the fucking pokemon, numbnuts. The porn is also good, yes. Of the pokegirls, not the pokemon.

>>15676865

The girls in Pokemon gave a while generation of gamers leg fetishes.

>>15676865

I think we've been arguing about entirely different things for a while now, let's just agree that we're both right about what we're arguing about and be done with it. I might be too autistic to enjoy Pokemon-related porn. Or none of the character designs do much for me, either way.

>>15676885

I don't get to talk about this very often, so I can get a little autistic about it. I got bored of the games a long time ago, so I know I'm on a different wavelength from most people when it comes to the series. You're a fag if you can't jerk off to at least one gym leader though

>>15676890

>jerking off to humans

Get a load of this basic bitch.

>>15676878

Hilda and Serena have the sexist legs in the series. I think the people behind it are leg fetishists themselves. May also had nice legs and they were beautifully thick on top of wide hips in gen3, but then the remakes ruined her by giving her skinny chicken legs and small hips.

>>15676890

I want to lick Sabrina's legs.

>>15676894

>Being a furfag

>>15676890

My taste is super autistically specific too. There aren't any big tiddy cute tomboyish brown girl gym leaders. The closest is Olivia and she's not a gym leader, by technicality. I kind of liked the Alolan Lass aesthetically, but there's not much good art of her at all.

>>15676894

As somebody who likes the asthetic of cute girls doing cute monsters, please kill yourself.

>>15676902

Ken Sugimori's waifu is Peach. Not sure if that gives any hints to if he's a leg fetishist, but I thought you should know that anyway.

>>15676902

>being a pedophile

>>15676908

Where did you even get that from? The Lass bit? Did you miss the part where she didn't quite meet my criteria? Also, how old are the generic Lasses anyway? The cute girls part? You do know that girls can be cute in a variety of ways, yes? It sounds like you're projecting, my dude.

>>15676908

>>15676918

Oh god I can't fucking read for some reason what's wrong with me

>>15676878

>>15676902

Pokemon girls are known for their legs. It's no wonder why they are popular among legfags, thighfags and footfags respectfully. I want the guy behind SSSS Gridman to do the artwork of the pokegirls in the future.

>>15676907

Does Peach have nice legs?

The Nintendo girls that are high in the leg department has been Samus, Palutena and Pauline.

>>15676918

The fact that the characters are stated to be something like 11 years old.

pokemon would work best as a turn based tactical rpg prove me wrong

>>15677135

You're not wrong.

>>15677135

Isn't that sort of what it is, at least in multiplayer?

>>15677148

Not really, no.

>>15677135

something more like final fantasy tactics or wakfu

>There are people ITT that think all remakes are inherently bad, not lazy remakes that either don't mix the gameplay up a bit or add extra things to collect/do

>There are people in this thread that think Gens 2-5 are shit

>They don't even bad it up in a logical fashion

Do retards just come and say contrarian shit on the internet and then double down on it when they get called out on their bullshit, they double down on their autism? Like it's one thing to have genuine gripes with a game and find it enjoyable and it's another thing to say all things that aren't X are shit and not even defend your argument at all in a logical or reasonable (whatever) manner.

>>15677150

Maybe if it was movement based and you could use more moves, but who are we kidding, the pokemon developers are too stupid to take risks.

>>15677248

>>15677257

You can't seriously tell me pokemon is creative or original, especially when they changed almost nothing in FIVE GAMES (gens I-V).

>>15677315

I don't understand. Are you saying they changed more in gen 6-7 than from 1-5?

>>15677343

No, I'm saying they've changed nearly nothing in the entirety of the pokemon series because they're incredibly afraid of backlash.

>>15676832

gen v still had a few but many like the zoroark and zorua events were relics of the gen 4 system

only one I can think of that wasn't is Victini

>>15677366

There isn't any need to make huge changes to the gameplay, that's what the spin-offs are for.

Also the fact that you say the five games where nothing changes are 1-5 and not 3-7 shows how little you actually understand the mechanics behind the series.

>>15676448

This is one of the best anime seasons in a while, with at least 5 great shows.

>>15677481

Isn't that one of the characters in Undertale 2?

Pokemon's core gameplay is fine. The battle system is fairly complex for a turn-based JRPG, and there is a huge variety of meaningfully different Pokemon. Power creep and balance issues aside multiplayer Pokemon is pretty interesting to play and watch. The real problem is that this complexity is not taken advantage of by the single player player content. The games are ridiculously easy, and even the postgame content has retarded AI that literally has to cheat to win.

Give the games significantly better AI that is aware of basic tactics, enemy teams with real synergy, some way of capping the player's strength so you can't grind past any challenge, and at the same time a way to significantly decrease the tedium of training up new mons, and you could have a game that is still fundamentally Pokemon yet is MUCH more interesting and challenging to play. I doubt they'd ever do it because it would make it inaccessible to casuals, but if they did they'd have a game that feels completely different without having to change any of the in-battle mechanics at all.

>>15677504

Why you gotta do this to me anon

>>15677605

He's probably talking about Alison Rapp.

>>15677653

Better AI and a limit to Revives in battle would do wonders for the game. I remember being a dumbass kid that beat Pokemon Red for the first time with a level 89 Blastoise, 5 filler slots and a shitload of revives/max potions. The Elite Four was not a fun time.

>>15677745

Oh yeah, I'd get rid of in-battle item usage entirely. Held items only.

One way to achieve what I want would be to impose a level cap that increases as you collect badges. Gym leaders and significant trainers would have full teams of level-capped mons, which would encourage you (along with the feeling of wasted EXP if you keep battling trainers with capped mons) to train a full team instead of relying on a handful of overleveled mons. It could optionally be combined with an "open world" system like that Crystal hack that allows you to complete the gyms in any order and have the gym leaders' teams scale accordingly. EXP could be provided more generously to reduce the tedium of training so many mons.

I would probably amp up the "tick-tock" game pacing as well. The "ticks" would be fighting wild Pokemon and a smaller number of more challenging junk trainers as you grind up your mons to the current level cap.

Then the "tocks," around when you should be hitting the cap for most of your mons, would be a solid 30 minutes to 1 hour of challenging gym fights, Pokemon fully restored between each one so the designers can go all out with the difficulty. Rinse and repeat.

>>15677653

Nah he's just referring to the gay parade that Nintendo involved themselves with as a PR move, meanwhile Sony actually had a float with gay strippers to show how tolerant they are.

>>15677135

Pokémon Conquest was bad

>>15677976

I mean THE GAY COMMUNITY aside he could have been talking about Rapp.

>doesn't get fired by Nintendo when it comes out that she, a marketing lead for a children's toy company, wrote her undergrad thesis advocating for the legalization of child porn, and continues to advocate for that as well as the lowering of the age of consent to 13

>is only fired when it comes out that she (and her now ex-husband, lol) was moonlighting as a literal prostitute

>>15677966

>get rid of item usage in battle

I sorta like that idea but it's ultimately dumb. How about instead item usage has a penalty outside of not being able to attack during the turn, like using an item halves your Defense and Special Defense for the turn the item is used, since the Pokemon is presumably defenseless while and after using the item.

Though you touch on another mechanical change I want to see in Pokemon: changes to Mega Evolution and Z-moves. Mega Evolution was a huge impact to the games' meta in both single and multiplayer but I feel like it was never implemented right. There's no penalty to Mega Evolution besides wasting an item slot on it, so anytime a Pokemon has a Mega Stone it usually goes Mega on the first turn out. There are only a few Pokemon that benefit from not immediately going Mega depending on your overall battle strategy (Manectric with Lightningrod is the only one I can think of as you can get a Sp. Atk boost before going Mega by eating an Electric attack which makes Mega Manectric much more powerful). Megas either need a turn limit (3-5 turns) and/or a penalty like losing some HP (either before or after going Mega) to offset how game changing they are. That would force people to adapt and plan how they would use their Megas and when in battle. Plus it would make Mega Evolution more lore friendly as nearly every Mega Evo dex entry states that Mega Evolution puts a strain on the Pokemon's mind and body, since it is sort of a forced evolution. Z-moves sort of operate on this already, with the one use per battle rule, but I feel like they could be expanded on too. Maybe Z-moves, when used, could use up the PP of the move they're based on so that you aren't using a powerful Z-move but are then able to pull out another lesser, but still powerful move the next turn. Hell, the whole PP system as a whole could be overhauled. It doesn't make sense that you could have a Pokemon use Hyper Beam every other turn and then after its PP runs out switch to Giga Impact or Blast Burn or whatever. Pokemon should get tired from repeated attacks like that or at least should not have the energy to use them multiple times in a row. Maybe Pokemon should start using an energy resource/stamina system vs PP for each move. Each Pokemon would have their own energy store and it would just be another stat like HP that could be improved and modified and every move would use some energy, with more powerful moves using a lot of energy.

someday I'll implement all of this in a romhack or fan game

>>15674258

No, because you didn't read. He said that Gen 1 went from it's original concept to what it ended up being as an example to point out how the game underwent massive changes over the course of its development, not that the series as a whole went that way.

>>15673742

>a Jigglypuff thats an independent woman of color that needs no man.

what do you think the first movie was?

>>15677653

>I doubt they'd ever do it because it would make it inaccessible to casuals, but if they did they'd have a game that feels completely different without having to change any of the in-battle mechanics at all.

Sounds like the sort of thing that would be perfect to market as a spin-off for Pokemon fans that are actively looking for more of a challenge. Maybe make the story about getting to play as a Gym Leader or something like that, and use it to show off aspects of the Pokemon world that don't get much focus in the typical mainline Pokemon games.

>>15678047

>I sorta like that idea but it's ultimately dumb.

Why? It's just making single player battles like multiplayer.

>etc etc

I don't care about lore. I stopped being able to take the Pokemon universe half seriously in Gen 3, going from Pokemon yakuza to hurr let's flood/glass the planet. That was the point that Pokemon became "too anime" to me, if you'll excuse that phrasing. Remove megas, but z-moves and PP are fine (though I'd like to significantly reduce the PP of a lot of moves).

>>15678179

It would be perfect for a console spinoff, were it not for the Switch.

>>15678369

>Pokemon became "too anime"

>An anime game that is "too anime"

You are talking about an overglorified beetle fights where monsters with super powers are tamed by minors that don't go to school and beat other kids up for money and manage to beat adults with years of experience along with being able to catch gods, overpowered science experiments, aliens and shit.

>>15678426

>You are talking about an overglorified beetle fights where monsters with super powers are tamed by minors that don't go to school and beat other kids up for money and manage to beat adults with years of experience

ok, sounds good so far

>catch gods, overpowered science experiments, aliens and shit.

That's my point. Shit went off the rails after gen 2. Hustling and science experiments gone wrong are nothing compared to doomsday plots and pokegods from other dimensions.

>>15678459

Gen 2 already has gods like Ho-Oh, but he wasn't an Earth shattering deity.

>>15678463

Ho-Oh and Lugia are just guardian gods. Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza are the gods of the land, sea and sky. Palkia and Dialga are the gods of space and time. Giratina is an anti-matter deity. Arceus is the creator god. Landerous, Thunderous and Tornadus are the minor gods of earth, lightning and wind. Yveltal and Xerneas are the gods of life and death and I have not played Gen 7.

>>15678369

>Pokemon is too anime

Pokemon has always been too anime. Also fuck you, my ideas are great and the moment I make a Pokemon fangame you'll be sucking my dick asking for more while cursing Game Freak for not implementing my genius ideas before I did

>>15678508

Blow yourself harder.

>>15678014

No, he's a known sperg. He's talking about the gay parade.

>>15676737

>How do you balance a game like that? Open world RPGs tend to have a problem with EXP scaling.

Have the World change so that regions scale differently? Let the player's pokemon get deleveled via atrophy? Get rid of the generic EXP system and replace it with one that doesn't overtly display a level, instead uses status effects and visuals so that the player knows the abilities of their pokemon?

There's a lot of things they could do.

>>15678615

Those are some of the dumbest ideas ever

I just spent about 4 hours looking into the Proto Gen1/Gen2 stuff, all of which was released this year.

What a wonderful time to be a live. Too bad Pokemon Go 2: Electric Boogaloo is not going to be a good game.

>>15676813

I'll have you know, I have a SS cart with a notch eared pichu somewhere back in the old days where people actually went to GameStop to buy games.

I walked two miles in a downpour to get it.

>>15674230

>oh no there is a little bug here and there

That's like saying that a book is bad because there is a typo every 120 pages.

>>15677417

I was talking about the POKEMON Anime. I need to go watch SSSS Gridman.

>>15679046

>potentially game breaking bugs aren't bad

>>15679169

Game breaking bugs are 100% okay anon, the luminous city bug from the release of pokemon XY never happened.

>>15680044

>Pinsir Evolution

They just gave him mega-evo in Gen 6.

>Things like this make me wonder what else was scrapped, how many pieces of artwork for 3-stage chains we never got in Gen 1 because of technological constraints

I assume it would be around 100+ monsters.

Some of them were probably added in later gens though.

>>15680098

>I mentioned this a while ago, but it would be cool to play a dimension hopping Pokemon game, with new unused Pokemon and Alternative Forms of existing ones.

It does sound interesting, but maps for specific dimensions would need either need to be small or very limited in number.

>>15680116

Exactly. Each area would be a sample of a different game. Some examples would be visiting a small part of Gen 1-ified version of a later region, or another would be a time traveling adventure switching between two time periods to solve time travel puzzles. Little samples of the multiverse. Heck, make a large hubworld of cross dimensional travelers, with a few nods to stuff outside of Pokemon, since this will almost certainly be a fangame. A mission based structure would definitely be a good fit for this type of game. Complete an objective in one area, return to the hubworld to gather intel and supplies from sidequests and shops, and then move on to the next one. Hell, throw in a few optional missions as rewards for exploring. You could even recontextualize existing areas with some of those missions to save time on making assets while supplying new content. If I were more than an idea guy I could probably direct a project like that. Not talented enough to make any assets for it sadly, even with good old Pokemon Essentials.

>>15680149

Sounds like Chrono Trigger but with Pokemon.

>Not talented enough to make any assets for it sadly, even with good old Pokemon Essentials.

I am not skilled enough to do it neither.

Also did you heard that Pokemon Essentials was shoah'd by NoA (((lawyers))) few months ago?

I am only surprised that it took them this long.

>>15680221

I mean it literally came with a bunch of HGSS sprites, I'm not surprised. They could probably get away with not including that, it's all the math and battle systems that would take a lot of effort and TPCi can't fuck with you for that probably. Or at least it's a harder case for a lawyer to make. You can always find that shit though, and I don't know if the Sage team is still working with the Essentials dev, but if that's the case then they'll just fucking include the Sage assets with the next release if I had to guess. I don't know really, the only Pokemon game made in Essentials I follow is Pokemon Ecchi Version. No you don't want it.

>>15680237

>I mean it literally came with a bunch of HGSS sprites, I'm not surprised.

I thought that name itself Pokemon Essentials was enough for its dev to get ass raped by lawyers.

>You can always find that shit though, and I don't know if the Sage team is still working with the Essentials dev, but if that's the case then they'll just fucking include the Sage assets with the next release if I had to guess.

I know and I have most recent version of it saved. Including pirated version of RPG maker needed to actually use it.

>Pokemon Ecchi Version

I have that one too.

>>15680257

Most of the time I see a fangame get taken down and Nintendo is involved, it was because the dev was accepting money for it or was using assets from an actual game. The only other cases I remember are AMR2, where I don't know if he was taking money but I do know that the 3DS remake of Metroid 2 was under development and Nintendo panicked (it just made them look worse) and the eternally never released Mother 4 changed it's name to avoid anything because they're super paranoid or some gay shit.

>>15680277

>Most of the time I see a fangame get taken down and Nintendo is involved, it was because the dev was accepting money for it or was using assets from an actual game.

I don't know why some faggots seriously thought that making patreon for fan-game is a good idea.

Also it's hard, very tiresome and takes a lot of time to make all assets from start. The only game I know that managed to do that is fucking Pokemon Reborn.Don't play that game it oozes tumblr from very first minute.

>the eternally never released Mother 4 changed it's name to avoid anything because they're super paranoid or some gay shit.

I don't blame them. Better to avoid giving any ground to lawsuits for companies.

>>15677653

At the very least they started scaling EXP based on level in Gen 5 so you can't easily beat the entire game with your starter.

>>15680411

>Thinking anybody here would actually buy pokemon Let it Go.

>>15680449

>Thinking there are people wouldn't actually buy pokemon Let it Go.

>>15680455

I hacked my Switch to get free video games and it's not even worth a pirate to me. I don't have a smartphone and Go never interested me anyway.

>>15680411

Doesn't matter, some group will datamine everything new before the game even releases. That is the way with this series. Ruin all of the fun for the people who like that kind of thing. Back in University I knew Alpha (The admin of one of those sites) in real life. He really wasn't that bad of a guy honestly.

>>15680499

>Generic RPG

It's basically just a remix of Xenogears, I'd hardly call that a basic JRPG.

>>15680455

I don't count crossposters as people here.

I have doubts about board kike if he will be able to stop himself with spending money for this garbage though.

>>15680435

>It was always shit, but it was entertaining shit that I liked. You know, like Pokemon is.

I guess.

>>15680608

> Episode 3

> Kino

I can agree with this.

>>15680608

Looks about right.

>>15680611

>>15680641

Personally I'd put Xenoblade 2 over Xenosaga 2 at the least, but my personal issues with X and how fucking baffling it is in every way make me like Xenoblade 2 more than it. It's certainly not great all the time, but it's still overall pretty good.

>>15680553

Any good recent works? He become trash too. His old works had lolis and ecchi. Current ones are pure garbage.

>>15673709 (OP)

Since the next game is next year, I imagine that it would be too soon to see a drastic shift but it will be interesting to see how the series goes.

>>15680608

>X better then anything.

Hi Treehouse.

>>15680852

Go bitch to Miiks, he's the one who made the list. He's probably talking about the original Japanese version anyway. You know the one that Treehouse had nothing to do with?

>>15673742

It's all going to be Mew clones.

>>15680411

>>Thinking new pokemon won't be a shit datamining "experience".

what the fuck is a datamining experience

>>15680892

The original Japanese version is still shit.

>>15681221

I don't want to outright say it's shit. I will say I liked what I saw of the story in the Secret File more than I did the actual game, but that's what you get when you suddenly decide to make the game a multiplayer singleplayer MMO partway through development. I should also note that this is Takahashi's weird obsession with episodic games, and does seem to be setting up a few interesting things. However, none of that was any good in the actual game. I do like a lot of the exploration, giant robots, breaking the game with the job system, and Sylvalum. What didn't you like about it anon? Or did you not play it?

>>15681247

Miiks thinks the first Xenoblade is pretty basic. It really is playing it safe compared to the entire rest of the metaseries, even I can recognize that much. It's not bad, just bad in comparison to the rest of the series. Xenosaga 2 does suck shit though.

>>15681257

Xenoblade's big issue is a deficit of skills,a lack of combo mechanics and lack of enemy variety among the mechon, but other than that it's a pretty good game. I think Shulk suffers the most from the aforementioned deficit of skills because they made the Monado skills and thought that counted.

>>15681247

>>15681257

I can't disavow Xenosaga 2. There was something to that gameplay system that needed to be fleshed out. It seemed like a natural build up from xenogears that could incorporate aerial and grounded combat along with punches, kicks and weapons.

It was just bad with making every enemy the same and having to do stocks every single time.

>>15681644

May is a good girl but Hikari happens to be the best girl.

>>15681257

> What didn't you like about it anon?

I mostly agree with you. I haven't read the secret files, though have heard about some of the stuff, but what story/world building is left in the game was incredibly lacklustre. None of the characters were any interesting plus they all had horrible designs, none of the plot points go anywhere, I didn't like any of the alien species and thus didn't enjoy filling the town full of them and the twist at the end felt like some Lost tier bullshit. In terms of gameplay combat was boring until you can create one of the broken builds and AI partners were brain dead and useless. The sidequests are mostly shallow and MMO like, though they are slowly getting better with each Xenoblade game. Though you can't go wrong with exploring with giant robots and I found the mapping system strangely fun so if they made a sequel with similar game play I would probably go for it, I just hope they completely drop the setting because I don't think its salvageable. Also fuck Nopons.

may the big tittied loli in spats

>>15681950

That art is shit

>>15682117

>Westernshit

Junichi Masuda may be shit but "young blood" is always a red flag that shit will likely get worse.

>>15674196

>HGSS

>a remake of a gen 2 game that pretty much was peak Kanto pandering (you literally go back to Kanto to fight it's gym leaders and the protagonist of that game)

>BW2

>the game that had far more previous gen pandering, including gen 1, then BW, which many were lukewarm over (you can fight every past gym leader and champion and they opened up the pool of available Pokemon to not just be mainly gen 5)

<people prefer

Shit like this is why idiots crying about the "genwunner" boogieman are just butthurt, the real reasons for why the franchise has been going to shit was their attempts to try to steal consumers back from the mobile and Yokai audience, as >>15673900 correctly pointed out. The series decline had nothing to do with nostalgia pandering since the games generally considered the best had the most of it.

>>15683836

>have you tried making your own Pokemon game yet?

No. I was goofing around Pokemon Essentials but it will take long time before I will make anything worthy mentioning.

>>15676582

Borigon lives in my heart, just like Ballio….

>>15686484

Aside from the fact that code wise it's between Gen 1 and 2 (which given both have disassemblies only makes it extremely unlikely instead of impossible), due to the fact that the demo uses an unused entry animation that nobody fucking knew existed until now I'm almost certain it's legit. The only two other possibilities is that it's some legendary super autist fucking with us given how closely it matches every little detail we knew (and some things we didn't know but figured out later), or a Game Freak employee fucking with us.

>>15686508

The only fake Pokemon I ever liked was Cactowl. Porygon β is interesting and hilarious, but the ball tigers are my favorite. It's a bit sad that we already have an electric predatory cat in the form of the Luxray line, I'd love to see another but that's unlikely. Maybe we'll see a ground type cat Pokemon that hunts all the electric rodentia of the Pokemon world, since that seems to be an ecological niche at this point.

>>15673742

Just play the old games.

>>15693544

i want to be the girl in there

>>15699612

>Now all we need is for catshit to finally die for good or become universally loathed even by Japan.

>catshit

Who?

>>15698514

It's clear that Red, Blue and Original Green are all in the game, Is this another alternate reality? The graphics alone make me want to buy the game but I feel like I am going to be disappointed.

>>15699664

Couldn't insult hard enough with "Ash".

>>15700535

Pretty much every Pokemon game (and if you want to get pedantic every players game) is an alternate reality. Alternate interpretations have been a part of Pokemon since the beginning as well. Also if you think that looks good, what's wrong with you? Fucking Sun and Moon look better, and that's on the fucking 3DS. Hell, I'm pretty sure the 3D models are more lively in the 3DS games as well.

>>15700632

This actually makes sense.

>>15700632

Okay, where do the PMD games fit in? The Anime? The Manga? The other anime and manga? Re-Burst? Hell, the Game Cube games are pretty closely related to the GBA games. But then you also have the Physical/Special split of Gen 4 compared to Gen 3, is that a different dimension? What about the fact that in RSE/FRLG they still use the more primitive grey computers compared to the more scifi ones from the later games? How does the weirdness of Unova's two versions and the Entralink's weirdness. How about the implication that the ancient civilization in Unova and the war in Kalos took place in the same era 3000 years ago, implying a connection? While it could be that Anabel in SM is from Emerald, USUM is clearly an entirely different dimension, so where does that Anabel come from? How does the discovery of breeding, the Dark and Steel types, and the different special stats work with Gen 2? Are the advertisements for B2W2 canon? Is Unova Link canon? There's a lot of questions that aren't answered here.

>>15700535

>buying games for the graphics

You know what you sound like.

>>15700674

>There's a lot of questions that aren't answered here.

No shit.

That image only considered mainline and few gameplay elements, but not its story, 15+ Pokemon spinoffs or even fangames.

>>15700796

Then there's not three alternate realities. Functionally you could say there are three different continuity families in the mainline games, but even then there's enough room to say that every Gen is it's own continuity family (which given that we even have a concept of "generation" in Pokemon, people will divide it like that) or that they all take place in the same continuity family due to the extensive connectivity they have. It's really up to the individual to decide what is canonical to what, and in what ways. In the end, I'm sticking with what I've learned from the Transformers fandom, where the central company doesn't particularly care about the details of continuity and is mostly about the branding. Basically if you want answers you're shit out of luck, pick up the pieces yourself.

>>15700854

Fair enough.

>>15701766

You're not wrong. I've pretty much always said the few good rivals in the franchise (at least in the way of constant, difficult fights with somebody aiming for the same goal as you) are Blue (for all the reasons you mentioned), Barry (who despite not being too antagonistic in personality clearly sees you as a threat and actually tries, although that might just be Gen 4's difficulty curve), and ironically fucking Hau in USUM (I've went into a lot of detail on this, but the gist is it's a role reversal of sorts combined with a realization by Hau that just fighting for fun isn't healthy for his personal growth, and he takes it to the level of being the person to beat the E4 after you. Twice.). Interestingly, Gen 7 also changed the dynamic of the villain team, with the hilariously incompetent Team Skull taking up most of the game while the usually tame Aether Foundation takes precedence in only a small part of the story before aliens happen. Maybe that's why USUM Hau sticks out more, lowered standards and a little surprise. I did an analysis of each rival character a while ago, maybe I should I have gotten a screenshot of it.

>>15673742

We've already seen trigglypuff.

the main rival in X/Y was pretty good. he wasn't an asshole but he was at least a real rival. you were actually competing with him over something that was important (getting the mega evolution stone thing and proving yourself). he actually wanted to beat you, not just be your friend and battle for fun. of course that got bogged down by having three other friends who are completely fucking pointless.

>>15699612

>Now all we need is for catshit to finally die for good or become universally loathed even by Japan.

What have you got against catgirls?

It's going to get worse from here on out.

>>15724944

I'm holding out hope for Gen 8, depending on the director (since it isn't Masuda). However depending on how Gen 8 turns out I probably won't be buying a Pokemon game until like Gen 10 or 11, or not at all.

>>15700632

>That infograph

>Conveniently ignoring that Prof. Pokemon acted like he'd just discovered the Holy Grail when he got that egg in HGSS

>All this overanalysation

Gen 1-3 only had very limited hardware, and back then, people didn't care about muh story and muh lore. Gen 4-n is the slow degradation towards ten hour long exposition dump cutscenes with a little gameplay sprinkled on.

Last game I played was ORAS, and by God, what a shitfest that was. Especially the Delta episode. Fuck the delta episode. Nothing but a few hours of Zinna going "Huhuhu silly boys you're so silly and I am smart technology is baaaaad okay Rayquaza not space rocket."

Hell, HGSS already is kind of grating by constantly shoving that bitch in your face to interrupt your gameplay so she can handhold you through the next mechanic. Add to that the stupid Kimono girls cutscenes, and HGSS leaves somewhat of a bitter taste in my mouth.

Pokemon, as all things that were once good, is going to shit.

>>15725558

Ironically ORAS is at it's best when it lets you discover the story for yourself. Sea Mauville is a great little story on it's own, and reveals that despite all the apparently bad shit the Greater Mauville Holdings did, the solution that solved all that and made the Pokemon world the post-scarcity world it is now was just fucking harvesting the life force of Pokemon for power. Also, Zinnia is fucking retarded, and probably prevented the plot of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Rescue Team from happening. I'll stand by BW having the best story in a Pokemon game, but only because of the fact that it doesn't need to do a lot of legwork because the story is naturally harmonious with the gameplay.

>>15673727

This.

>>15673742

Hey Sabian.

>>15676523

The problem with ORAS is they didn't add in the things from Emerald

>>15735241

The problem with ORAS is that they arbitrarily changed too much about the main game without any concept of balance. Compare it to FRLG which was way too restrictive until partway through the Sevii Islands, or HGSS where for the most part all the changes in Johto are off to the side rather than in the middle of the game. I'll even say Ohmori did a better job with SM simply because he didn't have to adapt an existing game, he's better when he does his own thing (his own thing is unfortunately not especially good either). The same could be argued for Masuda, who also directed FRLG and despite adding a lot of extra content the fact of the matter is you couldn't get Crobat during the main game despite how incredibly easy it would have been. Interestingly, every other director post-Tajiri has had an existing game to build upon and fix, and I'm convinced only two of them would be better at directing in general. Morimoto because he's in charge of battles, the very core gameplay of Pokemon, and Unno because he went way above and beyond in making Black 2 and White 2.

>>15735284

>The problem with ORAS is that they arbitrarily changed too much about the main game

They didn't fix the Mossdeep gym.

>>15676647

>>15676681

Pikasprey is a good autist and that's a good series.

Here's the Lorelei softlock video for anyone interested.

TL;DW If you send a Fighting type to use Rage against her Dewgong the game will potentially softlock. Her Dewgong will only cast Rest since it has a type advantage over your Fighting type and it will never run out of PP. If your Fighting type isn't strong enough to kill the Dewgong in 3 turns before it wakes up and casts rests again then you are stuck in an infinite loop.

>>15735758

>Not even loli/tcon x pokemon