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Daily reminder:

>load times on par with Sonic 06 buy an SSD goy!

>no grappling

>game throws +12 attack bonus enemies at you if you rush after Tortuccio right off the bat

>forced snowflake characters in party at the start

>default difficulty scaling is "slightly easier enemies" and "slightly harder enemies" for normal and challenging mode respectively

1.07 patch (torrent, lmao imagine paying for this shit) is 12gb, and it's still full of bugs. Just give it a few months at this point.

This game needs another year of consistent patching to be playable without frustration, and maybe a year or two of dedicated mods and some DLC (which you should pirate, just saying more needs to be added to the base game) to be a great game. They clearly rushed it out as it is, which is par for the course with crowd funded shit. The writing is acceptable to be introductory to the world, someone who knows their shit might be excited or disappointed depending on how blandly they state facts about the setting in common conversation. The game discourages roleplay and encourages rollplay by not giving any (as far as I've played) nods to which god you choose or whether you're a cleric or paladin. The choices boil down to where you want to sit on the alignment chart but there aren't enough consistent choices to keep you solidly one alignment, meaning you'll likely end up slanting towards literally any other alignment than the one you chose at the start no matter what you play. Plus the writers chose to attach retarded alignments swing to some choices, i.e. the only way to attack and kill a worg in one of the early areas (the one with the mites and kobolds) is to choose a lawful good choice, no option to attack because you're evil. There are countless examples of this. Characters are mostly bland and predictable, the only interesting part of these kinds of games anymore are the main characters that people create themselves, which makes the choices you're given all the more important and disappointing. The overarching story of the game is fairly interesting, great concept, lukewarm presentation and execution, but at least it feels good to massacre mostly everyone who talks like a fag at you. Mods that let you kill the rest and give you decent companions will fix this.

Anyway tl;dr it's fine I guess, I'm used to eating shit in this genre. It has more soul than Pillars of Eternity, but it's nowhere near as interesting as something like Age of Decadence. An attempt was made and once it's all polished up, it'll probably be something I recommend, which can't be said for Pillars.

>>15580309

This is pozfinder, however.

Crashes every 5-10 mins for me. Maybe I'll try it again in 6 months to see if it actually works then.

>They clearly rushed it out as it is, which is par for the course with crowd funded shit.

It's par for the course for the entire modern video game industry, don't go bringing crowd funding in as an excuse.

>The game discourages roleplay and encourages rollplay by not giving any (as far as I've played) nods to which god you choose or whether you're a cleric or paladin

If you choose Erastil, there's a single dialog option line when you mean the high priest at the feast where you become baron. I imagine there's probably a line somewhere with Tristan if you choose Seranrae. Probably ONLY one line, in the entire game, and only for a couple gods directly relevant to major characters.

>This game needs another year of consistent patching to be playable

We both know that we'll be lucky if they keep patching it for two months

>and some DLC

The game is fucking huge already. If they add DLC at all it should be in the form of more classes, companions (that aren't shit), and if possible some way to insert some of the more rare weapons (like slings) into the general loot.

>>15580609

>asks about bugs in initial release

>posts Black Gate

>not Serpents Isle

>>15580597

>It's par for the course for the entire modern video game industry, don't go bringing crowd funding in as an excuse.

You're right of course, I just wanted to take a jab at crowd funding in particular.

>If you choose Erastil, there's a single dialog option line when you mean the high priest at the feast where you become baron. I imagine there's probably a line somewhere with Tristan if you choose Seranrae. Probably ONLY one line, in the entire game, and only for a couple gods directly relevant to major characters.

My guy is a cleric of Asmodeus and it came up once in a side quest where there was an option to say a follower of Asmodeus never does anything without payment. I can't even remember who it was with, some random NPC. Never brought up in the main story or when choosing to restore the shrine, I expected the option to convert the barony to your deity but so far that's not happening.

>We both know that we'll be lucky if they keep patching it for two months

I'm shocked they're still patching right now but no matter how much they do fix, a community patch will come out and fix shit probably. I've been writing down bugs and dialogue errors to submit to whoever takes up the project, I'll have to update it when new patches come out.

>The game is fucking huge already. If they add DLC at all it should be in the form of more classes, companions (that aren't shit), and if possible some way to insert some of the more rare weapons (like slings) into the general loot.

All the things you mentioned can be added by mods, except for the non-shit companions if you want voiced shit. I'd rather they made some DLC to visit other places in the setting, won't hold my breath though.

>>15580609

Arcanum was bugged to shit, so was Fallout 2 but you could complete them. Kingmaker has had a few gamebreaking quest bugs, I've had followers disappear (put them back in with clones) and a bunch of other weirdness. Can't speak to BG2 or Ultima.

>>15580712

The game is huge. I mean DLC chapters probably wouldn't hurt. We're already well past the point where anyone could call the game "too long", so I doubt anyone would complain if they made it even longer. I just don't think that's what the game NEEDS. It needs more polish on what's there, more depth to the choices you already make like character/party design and of course the kingdom.

>>15580609

I was able to play fallout 2 and baldur's gate 2 a week after they were released and finish them. Pathfinder so far is really sapping my patience.

>>15580609

Never ran into bugs for BG2, unless you count a bit of unfinished content that you can't even tell is missing/

FO2 has a bit of visibly unfinished content bits if you look for it but nothing that will crash your game.

>>15580623

I thought you were making a black isle joke for a minute

>>15580750

You're right, it definitely needs more polish first and foremost. I don't think the depth of the game can be saved, could be wrong, but the kingdom is a trash fire I have so many complaints about that I can't be bothered to list them. Even Dragon Age Inquisitor did it better with their timed shit, and that's saying something.

>>15580609

>>15580775

actually I think i only ever played BG2 on release

>>15580609

>how do the bugs stack up with the classics back in the day?

Well the game is so broken at the moment that no one has been able to finish the game because of all the gamebreaking bugs.

https://steamcommunity.com/stats/640820/achievements

0% on the complete the game achievement

>>15580624

><getting an orc's sloppy seconds is a pro

>seconds

She was clearly used as a sex slave when not being trained as a mage, you're getting sloppy 129ths.

>>15580309

>guard runs to alarm boss

>no way to stop them if they survive the attack of opportunity

yeah, grappling would be nice to have

>>15580957

Could use Hideous Laughter

>>15580846

H-hot

Game looks alright, but you have to be dumb to touch it right now. Every player review says it's decent to cool, but buggy and had all kinds of consistency issues that the devs say they recognize and are working on. In 2-6 months it'll probably be a good nice game.

>>15580981

I tried Hold Person. The problem is initiative, speed, and casting time. There needs to be more options for holding a person in place. Grappling was that option.

>>15581182

I'll never under stand why grapple can't just simply work like a close range hold person spell except the person doing it has to maintain the effect each round, and takes AoOs from anyone else standing nearby

>>15581223

Also everything has inflated saving throws

>>15580957

It doesn't even matter that much since the alarm goes off once you get close to the boss anyway. That being said try and leave the mages for last so your attacks of opportunity mince the fuckers.

>>15581223

>>15581242

After the first group you should understand how this works. The last enemy alive in combat will attempt to run for the alarm. Position yourself accordingly. A disabled enemy is still counted as "alive", so if the last enemy is already disabled, they can't run for the alarm until the spell is broken.

>>15581244

Right, but there's only so much you can do when they make all their saves and somehow survive the wall of AoOs, or when one of my melee crits the other person and explodes them too soon.

>>15581335

It's an RNG game, you either accept that or you savescum. Grapple is just another RNG mechanic that would be based on CMB instead of Will save. You could probably accomplish the same thing with a Trip attack too.

>>15580507

>mods

Can the game even handle that?

>>15581836

You mean without bugging out worse than Oblivion? Not a chance, even the respec mod still has bugs.

Anyone with it on a HDD time the loading screens? I only bothered once on my SSD and it was 16 seconds to load the throne room. I don't think that moving it to my SSD improved load times very much, maybe because of running a bunch of scripts on map change?

>>15581848

People still game on HDDs?

>paying 40$ to play the retarded cousin of d&d

heh

>>15581182

I don't get what you mean. The vast majority of grapples begin with someone who doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity and who is adjacent to the target. It's technically easier than rolling an attack because you don't even have to roll damage die. The defender's section is almost wholly comprised of selecting an option, rolling, and then ending the turn.

A chart that covers the possibilities and steps of performing an attack would be infinitely more complex than this.

>Is the attacker considered armed?

>Is the attacker performing a ranged attack?

>Does the attacker have the point-blank mastery feat?

>Is the attacker proficient with the weapon?

>Pick a corner of your square, can you draw an unobstructed line to each corner of your target's square?

>Do any creatures stand between you and your target?

>Is your target threatened by or threatening another creature?

>Does the attacker have the precise shot feat?

This shit could go on and on. It doesn't mean the attack system is overly complex. It means the faggot attacker should know what he wants to do when he says the words, "I attack this creature," and not waste everyone's time. No wizard is going to look at this and think, "huh, I wonder what intriguing option I should perform against this minotaur that is currently grappling me?" And if they do, they can sit next to the asshole barbarian who sat down and thought, "hey, I'm going to use my falchion as an improved ranged weapon, what do I have to do?"

>>15581228

Because you then have to look at your players and explain to them that they cannot use spiked armor to protect themselves from grappling, nor can they overpower people who grappled them, nor can they grab and wrestle someone into a different position, nor can they actually just wrestle, because some people thought that grappling was overly complicated.

>>15581335

It sounds more like you're lamenting the system's transition into real time and would prefer turn-based gameplay like I would.

>>15581848

My loading times on my HDD and SSD are approximately the same. It takes 15-20 seconds to zone into a smaller map, and upwards of 45 seconds to enter a larger map, like the capital city. The game isn't bottlenecked by my SSD, nor is it using more than 30% of any core, and my RAM is only half used. I don't know what it is doing that is taking so long.

>>15581865

>It takes 15-20 seconds to zone into a smaller map, and upwards of 45 seconds to enter a larger map, like the capital city.

Just curious. What cpu are you running this on? Because I have an old ass i5 2500 with an SSD and it takes me 10 seconds or less to load everything except the first time I load the game which takes about a minute and a half.

>>15581872

Faggots and subhumans.

>>15580957

since they only run if they're the last one standing, can't you just damage one to low health then kill the rest?

>>15574275

Playing blaster is primarily about cheesing your way to higher caster levels and trying to get damage bonuses on top. I'm not sure how many methods there are to do that in this videogame. Usually sorcerers are best for blasting, since they can use bloodline arcana for an extra +1 damage per die rolled. In the PnP it gets extreme for Sorcs as they can get +3 damage per die rolled on their spells (crossblooded orc & draconic bloodlines with blood havoc bloodline mutation), but here I think +1 damage per die rolled is as good as it gets.

>>15574801

>Of course. Otherwise a Lawful Good paladin could never be lawful because he isn't following the code of some evil god.

You're still breaking the paladin's code of conduct if you fail to respect legitimate authority and behave with honor, or if you support chaotic ends, which means you would fall. Alignment debates might be fun and while I trend to a more permissive take on paladins and alignment myself, there's a point when you're just flat-out going against what a paladin is supposed to stand for and you need to fall, and it sounds to me that your take on paladins is that they only need to abide their own rules and no one else's, which really isn't what being lawful is about since you seem to be baking in a "fuck the laws, I do as I will because I play by my own rules" exception to the paladin's lawfulness. I could see lawful evil acting like that maybe but a paladin would have to have a good reason to brazenly reject rule of law or declare it does not apply to him. A paladin could find himself breaking the law without falling but he can't willfully reject the concept that laws should apply to him and not expect to fall just because he thinks his servitude to a higher power absolves him of the need to do so.

>No, usually the best games I play are very heavy on GM effort. However, if you pick paladin, I expect you to put forth some effort yourself. Clearly, you're averse to that.

And your basis for this conclusion is what? That I think "do or fall" is a shit GM style and a terrible way to encourage people to RP. Come now, I think you're already revealed your notions of GMing. Either that or you've revealed your eagerness to jump to conclusions.

>>15581223

So is a Druid's Entangle or a Wizard's Web or an alchemist's Tanglefoot Bombs discovery.

>>15581863

>paying

Not everyone is retarded like you.

>>15582244

>So is a Druid's Entangle or a Wizard's Web or an alchemist's Tanglefoot Bombs discovery.

Haven't bought any Mercs yet. Saving gold for when I own the land and start making my city. I've got my Fighter and what the game gave me: another Fighter, a Bard, a Barbarian, an Inquisitor, and 2 Clerics. All I'm saying is this is the first encounter where I noticed the lack of grappling, and wished it was an option.

>>15581863

>paying

heh

>>15579876

>playing Pathfinder anything

>ever

Why suffer when I can just as well hammer nails into my penis free of charge?

>>15582344

what do you recommend? ive played nwn,bg,fo,etc. at this point i just need something to relieve boredom. its been a meh year

>>15582363

There is a new bards tale that is supposed to be good.

is there some extra step I need to do to get the raise dead, greater restoration and normal restoration spells castable by the the two clerics? They're always greyed out even though I know I have like ten diamonds in my inventory despite the game being convinced they should be merchant fodder and trying to make me sell them

>>15582375

>bards tale

Watched gameplay i wasn't extremely impressed and not alot of people seem to agree

>>15582388

>Age of Decadence

How is that? i was interested in it three years ago but found it was early access with bugs and an unfinished story. Synopsis is pretty bland too.

But i just played pathfinder so bugs aren't really an excuse.

>geneforge

>temple of elemental evil

see now i know you have good taste.

>>15582405

Probaly new bug? i use scrolls they work just fine. But ive gotten greater restoration to work before.

>>15582408

>Synopsis is pretty bland too

Playing in post-apocalyptic Roman Empire is bland for you? As for the game, some would say it's divisive, but in truth the game expects you to play to your character's strengths, not try to be a jack-of-all-trades, though there is a mod to double the XP if you want to experiment a bit more with character builds.

>see now i know you have good taste

Dungeon Rats is a dungeon crawling spin-off of AoD that some argue is better than the base game. I did find it fun.

If you want to branch out from RPGs a bit there's Expeditions: Conquistador where you can be a tolerant cuckboy or a chad conquistador and bring the wrath of Jesus upon the heathen spic savages.

Also, Legends of Eisenwald for a good and proper romp around 15th century Germany, playing an asshole fucking over other assholes.

>>15582405

Have you tried stashing your diamonds, saving your game and reloading? Make sure to grab your diamonds again before you set out.

>>15582408

AoD's character progression is as dead as Wasteland 2's unless you consult a guide on how to min-max your playthrough so you can mix builds, otherwise you'll be stuck on one straight upgrade path (ie merchant->merchant). Game does not allow experimentation.

>>15582408

>>The Age of Decadence

>How is that? i was interested in it three years ago but found it was early access with bugs and an unfinished story. Synopsis is pretty bland too.

Vid related. There are a few disagreements (for instance Alchemy is a very potent aid to combat, and Crafting is generally a must-have skill - also hybriding is doable, but a greater challenge) but overall he's quite on point.

There's also a rather old demo with a rather outdated interface and mechanics: https://www.indiedb.com/games/the-age-of-decadence/downloads/the-age-of-decadence-demo-r43

It features the first town of AoD. Game's been patched considerably since though.

>>15582429

>>15582433

>>15582454

>post-apocalyptic Roman Empire

Well it looked like time traveling shenanigans brought Romans and aliens all together when i looked at it.

Well that video explained quite abit. Seems doable, ill probably decide if i enjoy it after a few hours.

>>15582429

Dungeon Rats is a straight dungeon crawler, as the name indicates. It does have party combat though, unlike AoD which is all solo.

>>15582433

>AoD's character progression is as dead as Wasteland 2's unless you consult a guide on how to min-max your playthrough so you can mix builds, otherwise you'll be stuck on one straight upgrade path (ie merchant->merchant). Game does not allow experimentation.

Mixing builds is not that hard, tbh. Playing to your strengths is recommended for your first playthrough but nothing is stopping you from playing a guardsman that doubles as a diplomat or a merchant that does quite a bit of combat or thievery on the side. You just need to be good at finding sidequests and training for more skillpoints and avoid wasting SP spreading yourself thin. Min-maxing autism is mostly necessary if you want to wear 3 or more hats (assuming one of those 3 is not loremaster, because lore tends to pay for itself in sidequests) at the same time.

One thing is true about AoD though, the game strongly expects you to have high attainments in particular skills as the game progresses. Having a low skill is overwhelmingly as good as having no skill at all, esp. if it's a critical one for your role. Although there are quite a few partial successes and alternative paths baked into most quests, overall it's strongly recommended to develop your primary skills instead of spreading yourself thin. So it's generally recommended to only skill up 1 or 2 skills on the side from your primary job and max them out. Non-combat routes are, although entertaining, very CYOA-ish.

Also, AoD really likes stat checks and you should probably not play a combat build with less than 6 Dex. 8 Dex is better though. General recommendation for a combat build is to skill your weapon skill, block/dodge, and crafting. Block is preferred imo if you use crafting, simply because you get a ridiculously higher block chance than dodge and crafting will give you much more powerful shields than the baseline.

>>15582498

My Hybrid build I made for AoD got the secret God ending and beat the Arena and all the hardest fights.

>>15582408

>How is that?

Let's just say that there is a reason why Bioware games limit the player to agree happily, agree grumpily, ask for money and do it in an evil way and why Obsidian games that don't diverge a lot but do try to be dynamic about who the character is and having the game world react to that are more buggy than Bioware games, and why you'll never seen a game like The Witcher 2 again with two completely different divergent paths. Age of Decadence is what happens when someone falls in love with Fallout and then spends decades on not only replicating it but also autistically convinced that decisions for flavour shouldn't be a thing and that every choice should bring different content and who you play as change the choices available to you. The amount of reactivity and divergent paths in it are insane but it's not a super long game because of that. You could play it four times to completion and still not have seen everything.

This comes at a cost however, it's pretty much a VN with Fallout style combat.

>>15582489

Oh yeah, in that encounter, I would strongly recommend going to Options and maxing the shit out of combat animation speed or you'll be waiting too long since there's like 20 dudes on screen taking turns as you wait around. You can even raise it beyond the cap of a 4x multiplier if you want by going to My Documents > My Games > Age of Decadence > prefs.cs and setting:

>$pref::Video::combatAnimationSpeed = "4";

To whatever value you want. 4x multiplier is usually good enough though.

>>15582515

Ascension ending isn't the best ending imo, even if it's the biggest win. It kinda makes all the political machinations and everything else about AoD feel pointless. Then again so does blowing up Maadoran. The most entertaining ending is probably the Lord Miltiades ending. I'm really disappointed there's no Emperor Antidas ending other than making him a god's puppet.

>>15582516

Replay value is crazy high though. Assassin/Guard/Praetor/Thief/Merchant questlines all give you a different experience and even in the same questline there are drastically different ways you can do things and different outcomes you can engineer, not to mention you can hop factions partway through.

>>15581854

Yes.

SSD is for the OS and core programs.

>>15582498

>Also, AoD really likes stat checks and you should probably not play a combat build with less than 6 Dex. 8 Dex is better though. General recommendation for a combat build is to skill your weapon skill, block/dodge, and crafting. Block is preferred imo if you use crafting, simply because you get a ridiculously higher block chance than dodge and crafting will give you much more powerful shields than the baseline.

Forgot to mention this: If you go 10 dex you should really get a crafting skill so you can make your own gear. Otherwise you are either stuck with ridiculously weak armor or armor that reduces your action points.

>>15582516

Obsidian's games are buggy because their QA sucks, the leadership has inconsistent vision and changing requirements, and their games occasionally get rushed for holiday seasons and shit.

SO the latest patch is 1..07?

The latest cracked patch I can find is 1.03…

1. Will I ever find a magical/unique warhammer or at least +1? I specced my custom fighter into it because I wanted to but didn't find anything in act 1.

2. Does the game end at lvl16? Some people are throwing this around but I think it's just a meme.

>>15582588

cs.rin.ru

Had them but its down for maintenance, Good old downloads has all of em for gog only.

>>15582618

>Will I ever find a magical/unique warhammer or at least +1?

by the looks of the game files yes.

>This +1 warhammer is particularly efficient against the ancestral enemies of the dwarven race. Its damage is increased by 1d6 against orcs and goblins, and by 2d6 against giants.

>Does the game end at lvl16? Some people are throwing this around but I think it's just a meme.

No idea but i know the original endgame kingmaker book was lvl15

>>15582618

Pathfinder does not handle high-level campaigns well. At level 17+ especially you've got Wizards who can stop time and summon up loads of shit while they buff up everything then unpause and instakill a fucker and they can create their own private mini-worlds and do all kinds of ridiculous bullshit. Clerics also go fucking crazy. The game just breaks down because of the sheer world-bending power the PCs have at that stage. While 3.5 had epic levels from 20-30 (PF did mythic tiers broken BS instead, mostly because they cannot into high-level campaigns), those were complete overkill and you were generally acknowledged to be essentially a god once you reach high levels, especially at 9th level spells. But even from levels 10 onwards well-played spellcasters are already worldbenders with cosmic power at their fingertips. And even from level 1 spellcasters can own the game. PF's not called caster edition for nothing.

Anyway, point I'm making is, you almost never see campaigns that want to go beyond level 15 because at that stage the game just breaks down and becomes unable to handle PC power even when they're not powergaming.

>>15583186

At that point, isn't it best to embrace the powercreep and turn it into a dominions/MoM style game about conquering the world with apocalyptic spells?

That's what I would do if I were DMing.

>>15583202

I'm not sure how well that would work, honestly. You're talking about a degree of power where Wizards can grant themselves wishes (they get Wish as a spell), make shit out of nothing, teleport anywhere, and wield virtually all magic in creation. In Wizard vs Wizard battles it feels like whoever goes first wins.

>>15583244

Dominions and MOM gameplay are based on this sort of gameplay. Dominions even has a wish spell where you can wish for almost anything.

In those games, wizards are so powerful they can cast spells that affect the entire world.

>>15583257

MoM was based more on MtG planeswalker type shit iirc, where you played as a god-wizard that had hordes of monsters and magics at your command.

>>15582294

Merc prices are based on your character level. It's essential to buy them ASAP, ideally immediately after you level up so that they are as close to your XP as possible (they start at exactly the same level with 0 xp progress towards the next). If you buy a Merc at level 2, it costs 2000, if you buy one at level 5 it costs something like 18000. At level 14 it's 92000.

>>15583818

Well shit. I saw they were 2k, decided that was too much at the time, and left it for later.

>>15584226

If you don't click "level up" you still count as the current level, so you can actually buy mercs at level 1 if you want by not leveling your main character. Supposedly they are listed for 500 but only actually cost 100 at that level. By the time you get to around level 5 the xp difference won't really be a big problem, though I do still prefer to have everyone leveling at the same time.

>>15585220

More than flowcharts, you'd need separate animations for every combination of size/footedness, for every action that can be taken before/during/after grappling, and for every number of combatants in a grapple.

If I were to pick a feature that's difficult strictly on the basis of an excessive flowchart relative to the rest of the ruleset, it would be something like psionicspsychic magic.

>>15585279

>More than flowcharts, you'd need separate animations for every combination of size/footedness

No you wouldn't. Why would you need animations for that? Just abstract it out with icons over their heads. It isn't as if regular melee combat has unique animations.

>>15585325

Thus far I've done part of the cleric's, the cuck duo, part of the bitch who thinks she's pretty, and I can say that the cleric one has me interested. Not enough to load up the game again and finish it, but not enough to completely forget about it either.

The cuck duo quest gives like 3600 experience though, so there's that.

>>15585325

>>15585339

You can (and probably should) do all the companion quests even though none of them are in your party for 99% of the game. Just take the one companion you need for the quest (2 for the cucks), stick them in your back line with a bow and no other equipment so they don't get in the way, and do it with 5 actual characters. The goblin's quest is the only way to get two of the best kukris in the game.

>>15585329

Regular melêe combat doesn't really need any particular animations other than generic "attack" and "flinch" for broadly similar weapon types, unless you're going for an exceptionally high level of expressiveness (e.g.: multiple animations for nearly identical actions, like lightly slashing or deeply impaling an enemy depending on damage rolled, parry/block/dodge animations, etc.). For something like grappling or tripping, just using icons would reduce the expressiveness down to the level of a roguelike.

>>15585367

Good thing graphical "expressiveness" doesn't matter at fucking all in a CRPG

>>15585402

It might

>>15586030

You don't think that's an original idea, do you?

Forever War did it and I doubt it was the first.

>>15586058

Forever War doesn't have cool art that /v/ might get.

>>15585402

it would be nice to get some sort of visual indication of normal attacks versus special attacks, misses, blocks, and ideally a knocked prone animation that's not identical to the death animation

>>15580497

1.07 did fix some notable things, Bartholemew reappears at the Lone House so you can recruit him and the Rill & Spill 'stuck outside the map' thing is gone too.

>>15580556

Sounds like your end m8 I've been playing for 4 days straight and only had crash to menus when it was at 1.01 to 1.03

>>15581848

I just went from town to throne room, it took about 30 seconds pfffft

>>15580985

>H-hot

u misspelled thot

>>15583818

>>15584226

Just use cheatengine to dump the cash for them into your pockets, no point hobbling yourself, respeccing should have been a thing, it's all too possible to make a mistake/choice the game bugs or doesn't account for.

>>15586542

Just realised Bartholemew's whip quest still seems to be broken though, I can't give him the damn thing.

>>15586542

1.07 also finally fixed the stat enhancement bug.

Anyways, does anyone know if a no magic team playthrough is viable? I wanna limit myself to potions. 6 barbarian team might be funny.

>>15585367

Apply the melee system from Kingdom Come: Deliverance to a RPG.

>>15586569

No magic sounds like it would be annoying, doable combat-wise but once the game starts throwing ability damage at you, you'll start hemorrhaging cash on restorations. It really depends on what difficulty settings you're rocking too, since raising will be an issue (at minimum because traps are gonna fuck you). I dunno how much experience you have with the game but I'd suggest playing it through once with magic and testing the difficulty you're comfortable with and then trying something like all melee because the game can be annoying.

>>15582945

I have the codex/skidrow version from the OP. 1.03.

Have no idea if this patch would work…

Would be nice if we could share mercs…and if merc could be advisors

>>15586599

gamestorrent.co/pathfinder-kingmaker-update-v1-0-7-codex.html

>>15586596

>I'd suggest playing it through once

Has anyone actually finished the game yet? I thought the bugs prevented that. I just started the seasons of bloom.

I did not follow that fucking gnome midget out of the crypt due to a failed roll and now i had wondered all of the world like a hobo without a purpose

also:

>that mature jaguar that can kill a part of 6 lv2

>spears are shit

If it's not been done there must be specific gamebreaking bug so what is it?

>>15586762

Try going south of that crypt. Some place will pop up when you get close.

Requesting mod:

-Some ways to permanently killing/remove that bard.

-On that taking-out-the-trash note, a mod to remove the voice over (the annoying bard again) between chapters and rewrite the journal to be written by yourself would be nice.

>>15586792

During the split, make sure she's in Tartucio's team. Don't retrieve her in the Sycamore dungeon.

>>15586839

Might also be able to give her to the Technic League and never pick her up.

I'm gonna guess there's some deus ex machina bullshit where she uses her ludicrous skill-set to escape whatever hellhole you leave her in, they hung the whole game on that annoying little runt, I doubt she'll go easy.

>>15586949

If she dies for good her soul gets put into the book and writes itself.

>>15586792

The irony is that Linzy is one of the only existing characters that's actually worth using. Bards aren't bad and she has the right stats. The only other character who's well built is nok-nok. She's also the least special-snowflake of anyone in the party too.

15585343

Pretty sure those are in the main quest of the game in the goblin area where they are forcefeeding their prisoners water

>>15586953

One more excuse to never open your journal

>>15586964

No. Those are the good early-mid kukries. There's another set during Nok Noks quest chain with +4 enhancement and 2d6 fire/ice.

Are there any lists of equipment or items yet?

>>15586604

>mercs can't be advisors

DROPPED

D R O P P E D

>>15587152

How will one even pull that off without writing preset attitudes for the mercs? Remember, they have their own reactions and text to relevant kingdom events. Owlcat already has a problem with QA at the budget they had, that'd cripple this thing outright.

>>15587184

Some generic lines based on alignment and class would be far better than cucks and immortal halfing bitch and the rest of the shit NPCs.

>>15587152

It was never going to be any other way, mercs are just bots you give stats and pants to so you don't have to listen to the official retards prattle on throughout.

>>15587191

But less character.

Bump

Has anyone tested crossbows and Rapid Shot? Is there even a reload action in this game?

>>15587184

Aligment, class and voiceset combined determine bonuses and reactions.

It's easy - pious voiceset = +1 divine, agressive = +1 to military, reserved = +1 to steward, etc..

Same for classes…Paladin? Bonus to warden/military/public relation. Mage/Wizzard? Bonus to arcane/culture. Etc..

You can even do multi-classes, by taking 2 highest ones and givin half the bonus (lets say yo unormally get +2 for a full class, a multi-class would get +1)

>>15590141

The game doesn't care, as crossbows are just bows with extra graphics. It'll shit out as much arrows as would a bow. Unless they changed that recently.

>>15590231

Looks hellishly robotic. Kinda weird that people'd rather pick generic lifeless responses from mercs than handcrafted characters that compliment the game proper.

I forget how the pnp decided advisor stats, but couldn't it just be based on an attribute + if the person is trained in a relevant skill?

>>15590141

oddly enough fast reload is one of of the few feat taxes they apparently removed.

>>15586955

The ranger is fine, he just didn't have the metagaming sense to pick the stupidly broken pet choice. The dwarf cleric is perfectly solid and can even back up tank to a degree. And the wizard thot can obliterate shit with empowered sneak attack scorching rays.

CuckOrc would have *almost* been okay if he had been a normal magus so he could actually use metamagic on his touch spells for spellstrike. And if Cinnamonroll boy could just be shoved over into lawful just long enough to take that damn 1 level monk dip for the ac he'd be perfect too.

It's really just the cunt that was kicked out of her paladin order because they thought she was too serious, edgy zombielf with her dumbass weapon, and special snowflake healing requirements, and the damn penis envy barbarian, with her -2 penalty to hit weapon in a game where even full BAB has trouble hitting shit, that are the major fuck ups.

>>15590297

>handcrafted characters

>generic lifeless responses

Sound awfully queer there, mate. You actually like Linzy or something?

>>15590297

>Kinda weird that people'd rather pick generic lifeless responses from mercs than handcrafted characters that compliment the game proper.

It would be weird if the latter existed

You could just roleplay and have your mercs pick responses that you think they'd pick.

This is much more intelligent as you made them so you choose their behavior.

'The River Maiden' repeats constantly, sometimes in different rivers, she gets convinced or 'chased off' (never gutted and sold for meat, why?) only to pop up again and again sucking ships up her capricious cunny.

>>15590500

I don't use her so I have no feelings about her whatsoever. In my playthrough, she just wanted a printing press for maximum distribution of her shitposts against the Pitax king. What exactly did she do to you that made you not like her?

>>15590883

It's annoying but if it isn't a bug does it mean there are a lot of mermaids out there?

>>15590892

Either that or the LADS sent to stab her up, see her wet tits and all get ocean fever so they let her go.

Both the halflingfags are insufferable shits, condescending mini John Oliver and an uber twee 'PLZ LIKE MEEEEE' anachronistic accented, thieving little whore. I started off chiefly disliking Amiri for all her OTT VA bullshit but those two have dethroned her by having worse personalities/gimmicks, at least Amiri can take a kick in the ovaries and keep swinging.

>>15590297

When handcrafted characters are fucking terrible I'd rather have anyone who simply shuts up. Better to be alone than in bad company.

>>15590892

>printing press for maximum distribution of her shitposts against the Pitax king. What exactly did she do to you that made you not like her?

Because you’re looking in the short term and not the long term. Pitax king has a kingdom you have a barony. Someone in your barony is talking shit, worse it’s your baronys diplomat. At best it simply means you don’t give a shit at worst it means you willingly condone her attacks.

With the amount of money she wasted you could have built a townhall,orphanage, or claimed some land. But now you have a pissed off king who has a legitimate Casus belli to attack you. Best case scenario he makes you stop and demands monentary compensation but now that he knows he can bully you it’s only going to get worse.

Second a lot of thing she does is contradictory and makes no sense and not in the lol I’m so random way. It’s the I preach one thing then do the other. Take for example the borders situation.

A group of hunters have trespassed into your lands, if you see the map you’d realize that’s pretty damn impossible it’s like the Russian soldiers getting lost in Ukraine. This is a classic case of your rivals testing to see how far they can get away with and scouting your borders for any weaknesses.

Now the smart thing to do is to search them, kick em out, and enforce border security. Your diplomats suggestion is to just leave them alone and let them hunt in your lands. But that’s retarded, because even if you were stupid enough to believe they’re hunters you should still enforce border security, why? Ask the Native Americans what happens when you don’t enforce borders, people walk all over you because you can’t prove you use the lands. now if she gave diplomatic reasons like we should take this impasse lying down because we have no standing army and enforce border security next time id understand. But her only excuses are let’s not piss off pitax citizens and enrage the king. What you mean like when you shitpost him Linzi?

Then the next event is a trade deal with some nation ruled by a egomaniac. Trade deal is very fair all they want is to let some merchants set up some shops. But no Linzi doesn’t want that we have to keep these people out because they’re helping out a bad guy they can’t be allowed a foothold in your land. Linzi where was the love of borders when those hunters are around?

>>15591155

Personally, I think adding sim stuff like that is at odds with a game that has preset supporting characters. Would work with Dwarf Fortress though.

>>15591174

>summoner

Isn't that just a wizard with feats on conjuration?

>>15591271

>Pitax attacking

That only makes my MC barbarian's dick harder. Although I could see a squishy mage MC sweating about that.

>>15591315

No. Summoner class is a dedicated pet-master with a custom designed pet.

>>15591324

Damn. That does sound cool.

>>15591271

this why I made the bard the mostly fucking useless culture adviser and made the lawful neutral (granted INT deprived) warrior bitch the ambassador

>>15591341

Why'd you made her into an advisor in the first place? No wonder you guys hate her.

>>15591353

the game very slowly hands out adviser slots while you're stuck with a ever growing backlog pile of stat raping events that need adviser to deal with them. On top of that it only gives you two choices per slot. And when the cultural adviser slot popped up it my only choices were the kender bitch or the loremaster elf who had showed up out of nowhere and had flat out said in his dialog that he didn't want an adviser position. So it seemed like a non choice

>>15591372

I made the loremaster elf a curator. Dude was ecstatic since he gets to trawl for more stories across the barony. Making Linzi an advisor didn't even cross my mind. She didn't even have the social graces needed to finish her degree and jumped on Tartucio's dick because she didn't like how I ran things way back.

>>15591396

>jumped on Tartucio's dick because she didn't like how I ran things way back

You're lucky. I was stuck with her from the start. And hiring mercenaries was still bugged at that point

>>15591315

>That only makes my MC barbarian's dick harder

My Lord, war ultimately boils down to a battle of power bases. As the saying goes Know thy enemy know thyself. So what does our enemy have? On paper the nation of pitax has 8,790 people. One city, one village, one town, and one hamlet. It’s soldiers are unknown, of course if our diplomat did her job instead of wasting money on a printing press we would know more but I digress. Now traditionally an army would be 5% of the nation. So let’s say he can field an army of 439 people at any given time.

Now what do we have? One city, two villages, population unknown. Why? Because this land is cursed we are constantly fighting trolls and kobolds. That’s not even accounting for the fact that our citizens and soldiers are infected and could turn into monsters at any given time. We can’t even do a census because you’re always on the road saving people. On paper we have an alliance with the sword lords but in truth we are little more than their vassal state that’s not even including the fact that they ultimately might not respond to our aid because they’re preparing for a civil war.

Right now more than anything we need stability to grow, once this curse is finished we need time to heal. But just as importantly we need a reliable ally and friendly relations with our neighbors. But we can’t do that if Linzi insults them at every given turn. One moment she insults pitax next she insults Razmir. Can you not see the precarious situation we are in? If Pitax attacks us we can always count on the fact that one of our neighbors will have our back but thanks to Linzi we don’t even have that.

>>15591341

Is she honestly any better?

>>15590449

None of those are even close to optimized or anything I would consider having in my party at all. Harrim is average for a cleric, but I'd much rather have an animal domain cleric for another pet. Ekun does "ranger" just fine if you ignore the most important part of his kit, but frankly ranger is a pretty shit class to begin with (ignoring the pet, which plenty of other classes have.)

Linzi and Nok Nok are both good enough to use as is. I don't use either, the bard competes for the sorcerer slot and I already had a knife rogue by the time I found Nok Nok, but they are literally the only two I would consider using.

>>15591396

If the storyteller is your Curator, who is your Magister?

>>15591440

Octavia the half elf mage

>>15591444

Then who's your regent?

>>15591449

Lander Lebeda the 16 year old kid noble from the prologue.

>>15591461

Ah, I see. I guess having Amari or Reg as General isn't TOO bad.

With a Good/neutral party there's really only one choice for almost every slot. Octavia is regent, Tristian is Councilor, Kassil Aldori is general, Varn or Jubilost is Treasurer, Johd or Harrim is High Priest, Valerie is Grand Diplomat, Storyteller is Magister, Kesten Garess is Warden, Linzi is Curator, and Ekundayo is Minister

The only alternatives to that are all evil.

>>15591484

>Harrim is High Priest

this seems like a terrible plan.

"please help us mister cleric!" "Meh, why? We'll just be swallowed by all consuming forces of entropy sooner or later. Might as well get a jump on the waiting line."

>>15591502

Yeah I stick with Johd

So with beamdog beamdogging is this retroactively becoming less cucked on a relative level as time progresses?

>>15591502

I can confirm Harrim is shit as head cleric he fucks a lot of stuff up

>>15591509

I don't trust Johd. His small town god tells him to hate cities, and I have no room for that mindset in my advisors.

>>15591697

That just means he's against big government. Though I suppose since you are effectively big government so I can see the issue.

>>15591578

Harrim has better stats doesnt he?

>>15591697

pretty much shit stats, shit ideals, a kingdom needs strong cities supporting it.

>>15592013

Maybe RNG on my end but he's fucked up 4 jobs in a row and had a string before that too.

>>15592134

he gets a +6 on his roll compared to jhod who only has +3, so probably shit roll

>>15592134

You got unlucky.

>>15586030

Wanting a fully custom party in a party-based RPG with character customization is a very ordinary request. It's not an echo chamber request.

We all know the premade characters are horribly unoptimized and unlike most RPGs where you can drown out shitty starting stats with loads of levelup stats, here in Pathfinder your mistakes at level 1 will haunt your character for the rest of the game. Valerie for instance is a fighter class that is thoroughly incompetent when it comes to hitting things because she has a turgid 14 str instead of 20. The difference between 14 str and 20 str means she has -3 attack and -3 damage compared to a proper 20 str fighter in a game where leveling up by itself will only give you +1 attack and no bonus to damage and the fighter class means that the only thing Valerie is good for is hitting things and taking a beating. A decent fighter is good at both. Valerie, on the other hand, is only good at taking a beating.

>>15591330

Anyone can cast Summon Monster. The summoner's thing is just that he has a special ability giving him a ridiculously large amount of top-level Summon Monster spellcasts. But as a special condition he can't have his pet out while he uses his monster summoning ability and his monster summoning ability doesn't stack like the spell does (so if he uses it twice in a row he just unsummons his previous monsters and summons new one, whereas regular spell summons will stack just fine). There's also a special rule that a summoner's eidolon (that's his pet) shares magic item slots with its summoner (mundane items are fine though), unlike animal companions which can just equip their own magic items (some of which can make them hideously OP) without robbing their spellcasters of magic item slots, plus they don't need to go away when the character casts a monster summoning spell either, but eidolons do tend to get a lot of extra perks on top of the animal companion perks.

Anyway, there are tons of classes that can cast Summon Monster (or, in the druid's case, Summon Nature's Ally*) and use it to flatten enemies. If you want a summoner playstyle experience, just play a druid or cleric and throw all your feats into strengthening your summons while taking an animal companion (cleric needs animal domain - erastil deity I guess - and a boon companion feat). Druid in particular is infamous for this playstyle where they summon monsters and turn into monsters while entering battle with their pet monster. You don't need a special archetype for this. Herald Caller cleric is pretty much a downgrade over a regular cleric throwing his feats into summoning. For summoning, all the feats you need are Spell Focus (Conjuration), Augment Summoning, and Superior Summons and a regular human cleric will get those feats faster than a herald caller, even if he also has to burn a feat on boon companion, but he will also have a second domain and shit. Also, having a bard in the party helps a lot, since they buff everyone's attack and damage.

Have fun. There's your PF summoner build. You can also summon as a sorcerer or wizard by the way, so a sylvan sorcerer is another way to get a lot of summon monster spellcasts and an animal companion. Even bards can cast summon monster, but they have a shitty spell progression so no one really does it.

*Fun fact: Summon Nature's Ally was considered a crazy good druid spell, so in pathfinder they nerfed Summon Nature's Ally a bit and buffed Summon Monster instead because it used to be that a druid would summon a beast with SNA 2 that a wizard would summon with SM 3 but Summon Monster was already more or less on par with SNA in power because Summon Monster gave special templates that empowered their summons. In PF they just went crazy with supporting Summon Monster through extra options instead. SNA is still a fairly good spell though, and in the PnP game you can just prestige a druid into 2 levels of Envoy of Balance and then he can template all his summons too.

>>15580609

That Ultima VII poster looks raw. Wish I could collect those old PC game boxes.

>>15592950

Compared to the regular cleric a Herald Caller

>Only gets one Domain

>Does not have Medium armor or Shield profficiency

>May cast "summon monster" spontaniously

>Gains Augment Summoning feat at level 4 and Superior Summoning at level 8

Note that Augment Summoning requires Spell Focus (Conjuration), which is otherwise not particularly useful to the Harald caller since it does nothing to improve or help improve the summons. By choosing this archetype you save 1 feat, even if you still want armor/shields eventually. However, it is true that a Human Cleric could have all the relevant feats by level 3 instead of waiting until 4/8. The MAIN difference than is Spontaneous summoning.

In my personal opinion, I don't think Summons are really worth using under normal circumstances in this game. They take a very long time to cast (due to bugs the cast time may actually be more than a full round). They cannot be directly controlled, and even with feat/equipment support their hit and AC are usually too low to do much good in combat, so they end up just being meat shields that can't survive more than one or two rounds, which happens to be the same amount of time it takes to cast them in the first place. Animal companions get very beefy especially with buffs but you can't really buff a summon that much, and their basic stats are lower as well.

>>15593991

Very easy to lock yourself out of the main quest that way, just try exiting from Vordakai's tomb. It's also likely to create a ton of bugs whenever there's an encounter you are supposed to see on the way out.

Can you get to the world map directly from the kingdom builder screen inside the throne room, or do you still have to load back to the standard game world first?

How does this game compare to Divinity OS 2?

>>15594015

more poz

FAR more bugs

takes itself slightly less seriously

better ruleset and classes

It's a mixed bag really. If and when the bugs are fixed, I'd say they'd be roughly equal, and the choice comes down to personal preference.

>>15594024

Can I kill all the fags I want?

>>15594024

>more poz

Not true. Divos2 had so many fucking gays

>FAR more bugs

Definitely true, and it was still a buggy game.

>takes itself slightly less seriously

Divinity is supposed to be parody. They definitely went too serious in OS2

>better ruleset and classes

Depends on what you want I guess

>>15580834

That's pretty funny actually. How close to the ending can you get?

Does raising the kingdom rank stat increase the speed of how the advisors can solve their tasks?

>>15593193

They also don't stack so you can't run around with a coterie of elementals unless everyone in your team also summons their own. Not sure why they did it this way considering summons are time limited and eat a spell slot already.

>>15593991

A step in the right direction but we need a teleport spell more than anything.

>>15594358

I haven't even seen low level teleporting. Is Dimension Door in the game? I haven't reached 4th level spells yet. I know the Travel domain has a teleporting ability at level 8, but I haven't witnessed it in action.

>>15594397

Dimension door exists, but it's terrible. Requires line of site so you can't use it to hop obstacles or anything. Teleport does not exist, travel's level 8 domain spell is protection from spells, I have no idea why.

You can find the domains here https://pathfinderkingmaker.wikia.com/wiki/Domains

>>15594435

>>15594397

The only time I get to use Dimension Door is when the map is already cleared and I want to get to the exit quick. Pathfinding for it is also kinda weird, sometimes it jumps through walls, sometimes the mage would run across the map then cast it a few feet away from the destination.

Does Temple of Elemental Evil have the pocket dimension mansion spell? I don't quite remember.

>>15594358

Holy shit this, then id stop feeling rushed all the time

>>15594397

Magus has one what a waste of a spell slot, but rp purpose so i keep it.

>>15594576

>RP Purposes

Are you roleplaying coldsteel?

>>15594130

That's the joke, yes. But it's also a depressingly true reflection of how incompetently she was built. This is a case of specializing at one thing by giving up another thing you could've been just as good at. That's not just bad specialization. That's shooting yourself in the foot hard and calling yourself specialized now that you're only competent at 1 thing instead of 2. She also has ridiculously high charisma for a fighter, a class that doesn't do fuck-all with charisma and habitually dumps it down to the bare minimum owing to how irrelevant it is.

You can always build her into a bard (archaeologist if you already have another bard in the party) though. Then her stupidly high charisma can actually do something. You can also build her into an eldritch scion magus but then she gives up her shield and you'll need to micromanage her so she actually uses her magus abilities properly. Man it would be nice if they implemented something like DAO's tactics system where you could set your own AI for your companions. Instead you get to be resigned to companions fighting like idiots if their abilities are slightly complicated.

>>15594358

Reasonably speaking teleportation spells would allow you to omit travel times, so I wouldn't be surprised if they omitted teleports just for gameplay purposes. Still, it's dumb as fuck.

Still, this reminds of Arcanum with its "Should I play mundane, technologist, or mage?" "PLAY MAGE YOU WANT TELEPORT! TRUST ME!" "Hang on there, I don't want to go game breaker" "TELEPORT IS NOT GAME BREAKING. WALKING AND BACKTRACKING JUST REALLY SUCKS." KotOR 2 also made you want to get Force Speed asap before it dishes out bonus attacks just because the doubled movement speed helps you deal with all the loads and loads of walking, although Force Speed's higher level modes is a must-have for any jedi combatant (but not jedi mage) in general because it gives you extra attacks per round. KotOR 1 on the other hand… you didn't get to start as a jedi so you had to wait until you had a jedi to speedrun.

>>15594723

>Reasonably speaking teleportation spells would allow you to omit travel times, so I wouldn't be surprised if they omitted teleports just for gameplay purposes. Still, it's dumb as fuck.

Ruining your GM's shitty lotr rip off campaign by immeditlly teleporting the macguffin to Mt Doom is half the reason to play a wizard. And the game plays enough bullshit with the rules as is. Like every bad guy having a convenient quickened teleport prepared even if he's a mid level fighter, or removing your mind blank buff when its time for the boss to cast a plot important enchantment spellon you

>>15594759

Or how about the fact that you can't use Raise Dead spell on allied NPCs. These kind of GM chicanery is akin to developers using cutscenes to have the boss beat the hero despite the fact that you beat the boss prior to triggering the cutscene. It's infuriating.

>>15594759

Yeah there's also Scry & Die, where your Wizard uses scrying spells to locate your end-boss then teleports your entire party (or more!) into his room to kill him after an extended buff phase. Ultimate Magic though added a helpful "clarification" (these fags love doing that shit) buried somewhere that scrying does not and never did count as making a person sufficiently familiar with a region to allow teleporting to it, even though in 3.5 this was blatantly the case. But revisionist retcon "clarifications" are a depressingly popular tactic among the pinheads at paizo. They could've said "new rule" and admitted it was a rebalancing pass and added it back to the core rulesbook, but instead they do that shit where in book D they bake in caveats and special rules for how shit from book A functions and insist that it always worked this way (honest!) even when it's blatantly untrue and makes reading book A a crapshoot since apparently in book D they elaborate special subrules modifying the mechanics. One of the many reasons why Pathfinder is a load of shit.

Pathfinder players like to shit on GURPS for being overly complicated but they are playing the biggest rules clusterfuck themselves. In fact it's probably because of that clusterfuck and learning curve that they typically dare not play anything other than PF, because learning curves seem so daunting now that they've done it once. They don't quire realize, D&D and PF are in a league of their own when it comes to convoluted rules messes. GURPS, at least, is actually straightforward and transparent about its rules, without bullshit "gotcha!" clauses buried way the fuck in some other book.

>>15594830

Path of Exile got in on that cutscene autolose shit. It was fucking terrible.

I don't know how many new issues it causes, but the latest patch (according to the notes) fixes all the major issues that I've personally had so far. In particular, my community and divine progressions were stuck with advisers who needed to see me but never showed up, Finesse Training's bug broke a major part of my build, and they've finally started to look at the Pitax chapter, so it might be fixed now, or soon.

>>15579876

Cons are meant to be pink texted you fucking faggot.

>>15595307

<Cons are meant to be pink texted you fucking faggot.

>>15595307

>>15595337

>Cons are meant to be typed in a way we've only had for about a year instead of the way we've been using for over a decade

Newfag detected.

>>15595797

>official

It's not official just because the faq calls it that.

>>15595885

what patch? shits really getting annoying i disintegrated jaehal and now she's invisible to me but not to the enemies.

>>15595885

Somebody call Biff.

>>15595897

1.07,obviously you're not supposed to tag them early and let them say their shit but if the opportunity is in the game they should have accounted for it. Got by (((honestly))) on another save.

>>15580609

I still have a release copy of Fallout 2 that I've played 10x at least and never run into a bug I can remember.

BG2 had some fairly annoying issues with stuttering but its been so long since I played that game and I used to run it with a metric boatload of mods so I can't remember if it was in the base game or not.

>>15595941

gotta always savescum to safeguard your progress in this game.

>>15595976

Absolutely, it's getting to the point where I'm doing it before every interaction just in case shit goes sideways.

>>15595994

Personally I do it before every interaction just in case there's an important skill check, I also try to make it a hard save in case there's some sort of branching consequence and I want to come back. I ended up with so many saves I had to move them to a new backup folder because it was slowing down the menu and saving.

Guys, word has it if you start a playthrough as evil, Linzi never joins your crew. Anyone try this?

>>15596673

Yes I fucked her off early on but there's 'opportunities' to get her back (and lose her again) later in the story. She pops up again when you (most likely) have only a few people in your crew and some piss hard fights on the cards so it kind of nudges you into picking her up if only to get shot at.

>>15591341

That's fine. Grand Diplomat position uses the higher of int or charisma according to PF kingdom building rules: http://legacy.aonprd.com/ultimateCampaign/kingdomsAndWar/kingdomBuilding.html

You actually got her high charisma to come in handy, unless the game changed the kingdom mechanics, which wouldn't surprise me.

>>15596710

Can't get mercs by then? Just manmode it anyhow.

>>15595994

Reminds me of Age of Decadence. In AoD saving before every encounter is a must.

>>15596756

Absolutely disgusting. Image is aptly titled.

>>15596824

That rather seems to be the implication, yes. But rather than some kind of functional menage-a-trois I am strongly getting the impression that the protagonist is just getting screwed over in so many ways.

>>15596886

Can healing magic heal that sort of thing?

>>15596897

Hmm well healing it would fix the tooth injuries but she'd still have slabs of liver in her knickers. Transmutation maybe, Mass Reduce Flaps?

>>15596823

>>15596780

gotta be honest disgusted myself doing this.

>>15596822

you joke but i saw his other ending, i think he legitimately contracted aids because he kept fucking around.

>>15596824

With this whole thing went? More than likely

>>15596836

Well since halforc might have contracted fantasy AIDS this kingdom is definitly headed to a civil war and splitting into many smaller states.

Reminder to just randomly save on the travel map because your kingdom can just die cos of RNG/a table mission going tits up.

>>15579876

Any word on if the developers will expand and add more classes? I really want to make an Artificer.

>>15597027

Artificer is a 3rd party class. There are a bunch of 1st party classes from APG and ACG to implement before they even touch 3rd party stuff.

I could have sworn they promised oracle. Where's my fucking oracle, Owlcat? What, couldn't figure out how to balance Nature's Whispers?

>>15597204

At least we have inquisitor, I hate prepared spellcasting, especially for divine casters who generally have even fewer worthwhile spells than arcane.

>>15597204

maybe they figured some of the curses would too much of a headache to write a plot around, tossing in some token dialog if the MC is an elf or a paladin of X is one thing, writing around the MC being deaf or nearly blind is another. (granted, by all logic Tristan should have been an oracle to make him and emodwarf less redundant) or they didn't want to code in all the special mysteries effects.

I worry that they'll try to add gunslingers in an expansion, but then use the basically unplayabe base rules for firearms instead of the variant that people actually use.

Fuck this game, and fuck pathfinder.

First side quest of the game? Kill some spiders! Giant spiders go down very easily, but unless you bought 100 flasks of alchemist's fire or have a minmaxed spellcaster as your PC, you'll be staring in frustration as you can't kill a bunch of tiny spiders, because swarms don't take physical damage.

>>15598513

The guy who gives you the quest warns you about the swarms and hands you 6 alchemists fires for that purpose. It's just barely enough.

>>15598296

They'd have to pull out splat curses, but you've got plenty of options

>Aboleth: -2 on mind effecting saves

>Accursed: No Morale Bonuses

>Blackened: -4 on weapon attack rolls

>Haunted: Grabbing items from your pack takes longer

>Lame: Your speed is lower

>Vampirism: You take damage/heal from negative energy as though you were undead

Are all easily implemented. Depending on how they coded the game,

>Demonic: No [Good]/[Law] spells, social skill penalty on lawful/good creatures

>Hellbound: Same but [Chaotic] instead of [Law]

Are also valid.

>>15598296

Asking as a GM who frequently has to tell players no fucking gunslingers, what are these variant rules?

>>15596756

The fuck? Did you mess with the half-elf and got orc'ed as a package?

>>15598513

make sure you patch the game as well. I found my character end up just incidentally killing the swarms now without having to use alchemist fire and even if you need to they usually only take one flask.

>>15598701

If you have a weapon that does any elemental damage I think that's enough

>>15598712

I don't think so. I was hitting the swarms with valerie and amari and pretty much one shotting them doing 7 - 8 damage.

By the actual Pathfinder rules, swarms of tiny creatures take full damage from bashing and half damage from slashing and piercing attacks

It's diminutive and fine creature swarms that negate physical damage types entirely.

Has this been properly replicated?

>>15598858

The swarms in the game are (or should be) Fine creatures. The spiders in those swarms are basically normal bugs, possibly a little on the large side (so tarantula to giant huntsman spider). In any case Fine is anything under 6 inches, which they probably are, or possibly Diminutive for the largest.

The swarm spiders are NOT over two feet in size, which would be Tiny.

>>15598684

d20pfsrd is known to pass off their own interpretations as fact. Don't rely on them for rules text. Official paizo prd stipulates the rules as follows: http://legacy.aonprd.com/ultimateCombat/combat/firearms.html

Guns are still stupid weapons though. They require odd feat and itemization choices, they are fired as ranged touch attacks, and they have misfiring rules that regularly cause the gunslinger to debuff himself. Reasonably speaking no one really wants to play with PF gunslinging rules.

I'd recommend just playing GURPS Dungeon Fantasy and adding GURPS's firearm rules to that if you want guns and magic or just merge GURPS Steampunk if you want to run an Arcanum-esque campaign.

>>15590231

Or just set that part virtually to automatic and base it all on alignment. Voices shouldn’t factor as I don’t like some and never pick them

>>15598545

i sold that off in my first playthrough by accident boy was that a mistake with all these caves

>>15579876

JEWS

>>15601226

The torches do like 1 damage, still have to hit, hit only one target, and they have like 10~ hp. I didn't even equip them, but brought 30 throwables instead.

I love how you can't target locations with throwables.

>>15601232

The torches do extra damage against swarms, which is what you're having trouble with. Swarms are weak to fire.

The fucking loading times are a pain in the dick.

>>15601431

It's on my SSD and I have the best retail i7 money can buy and it still takes 30s-1m. It's terribly optimized.

>>15601467

Going from table to throne to town to map is a chore every time and even more of a pain in the ass when you get to the table and realise you need to buy BP.

>>15601226

Weight system was a bitch and it was torches you would think that shit grows on trees.

>>15601560

To be honest, yea. I was expecting torches to be more common. I've never actually seen another since those two.

Jesus Christ this game is bad at alignments.

I'm trying to play a lawful neutral Inquisitor dedicated to bringing order to land, but most times, the neutral options just result in you not doing anything.

Evil isn't much better tho, most times those options are just stupidity for the sake of evil, without any benefit to yourself

>Check good ol' downloads

>Kingmaker updated

>Core game uploaded but not patch

>Then completely disappears from site

>>15601728

Is there a romance option that focuses more on my character having a stable, functional family with proper heirs and not focusing on my wife getting pumped full of green seed or about how professional my wife is? I didn't save the River Kingdoms to maybe sometime get a chance to touch a titty.

>>15601799

There were only 4 love interess two women and two guys. Although technically its implied you get with jaethal daughter if you have no lovers. But shes implied to be as much as party girl as her mother was.

>>15601799

This is CY+3, shitlord! Get your toxic masculinity out of my hobby!

>>15579876

>prose so succinct dialogue screen sometimes go blank

I'm glad I'm not the only one who had issues with this

>>15601752

You get them all back in the first chapter though. Kind of makes me wonder who you wanted out of that list.

>>15601853

I let Jaethal's daughter die though. Is there another one? I picked wizard and the game still throws pussy at me outside the game proper? What nonsense is this?

>>15602371

It's your own fault for playing wizard in a game with a massively truncated spell list, and no magic item crafting

>>15602839

no matter how truncated the list, you'd have to be stupid to go without entirely. A sorcerer is good to have.

>>15602850

frankly, considering how often every thing seems to make the saves of the higher level save-or-die/suck spells after act 4, I'm not sure a full caster is even worth it unless you intend to go Trickster for raw blaster damage. I'm staring to think an Inquisitor is the best MC class choice as it gives you the best possible balance of armor, physical damage, spell list options and thief skills. If only it didn't force the fucking Carmen Sandiego hat on all but one of the races.

>>15603035

Don't dis the hat! Inquisitor is pretty good, especially if you take Divine Huntsman or an Animal Domain.

Arcane casters are still a must-have though. You could probably get away with a Bard or Magus, but Haste is worth the slot by itself, Mage armor can be cast on pets, Stinking Cloud basically takes the shotgun approach to enemy saves making every enemy save every round, so somebody is going to fail it. There are a few other good spells too. I'm not saying it has to be your main character, but Sorcerer is a Charisma class and Sylvan Sorcerer also gets a pet. It's a good idea to make your main character someone with max persuasion because that's the most common skill check you need when your party isn't available (you are supposed to be a monarch, of course you need diplomacy!)

>>15601728

These endings seem fucking terrible, not that I'm going to be able to see them any fucking time soon. Waiting for patches.

>>15603035

Having a wizard just for buffs and crowd control makes a lot of fights a face roll.

>>15603060

Is there some huge flaw to the caster rogue subclass I'm failing to see? I know it's only like half the sneak attack progression but also gives you the *actual* wizard spell list up to 6th level spells, not some half assed list like bards and magus get.

>>15603089

>Having a wizard just for buffs and crowd control makes a lot of fights a face roll.

for awhile that that was true, but now it seems like anything with a "Will/fort negates" is basically a waste to cast. Went into the last supper room in the lich cyclops dungeon, tried to drop a Undeath to death spell on the horde. Maybe like two zombies actually died from it. Web was unstoppable at level 5. but now at level 14 the various Hold type spells don't stop shit anymore.

>>15603090

At a guess, Arcane trickster does everything it does but better

>>15603090

Mostly just the delayed spell list. It takes 2-3 more levels for the eldrich scoundrel to access most spells, meaning you won't get Haste until level 7 for instance. They are also behind in spell slots.

Compared to magus, they are obviously worse at casting in combat. They don't have any bonus to casting in armor. A magus can cast in light armor with no spell failure at level 1, and gains the same effect for medium and heavy armor at later levels (even bards can cast in light armor). An Eldrich Scoundrel does not gain the same benefit, and also loses the rogue's armor proficiency.

Compared to rogues, no armor, lower sneak attack, fewer Feats, no advanced talents (rogue advanced talents are pretty damn good).

>>15603090

Nothing you get is good for the level you get it. Level a rogue to 3, then wizard to 3, then arcane trickster all the way to 10. When the arcane trickster reaches level 8, you will have reached the maximum caster level of an eldritch scoundrel, but 2 levels sooner, and you'll have passed up their sneak attack progression.

Eldritch Scoundrel is a trap.

>>15603111

Also I forgot to mention, the Bard spell list actually gets things that Wizards don't, as well as several Wizard spells at lower levels. For instance, Cure (light/moderate/severe) Wounds is not a wizard spell at all. The spell "Good Hope", which is basically an AoE heroism, is Bard only, so neither Wizards nor Clerics ever get it. Greater Shout is bard level 6, but sorc/wiz level 8, Hideous Laughter is Bard 1 sorc/wiz 2.

>>15603035

There are a number of spells specifically to hurt enemy saves for subsequent spells, like doom, enervation, feeblemind, eyebite, crushing despair, bestow curse, etc.

>>15603131

Oh, also you can dispel enemy enchantments and sunder enemy magic items that are interfering with your spells.

So wait…

Teh game gives me 2 options - Octavia (a STD ridden cuckqueen that rides ork dick) and Valerie (All art is shit. beauty is shit! Respect me! OH now, I'm not beutifull anymore! WAAA)

If I pick the First one the ending is a cuckening where I get ork dick.

If I picked the second I'm stuck with a frigid dunce that wants no kids.

If I pick neither I get some cheating slut forced on me?

WTF???

>>15603131

Kind of pointless if the enemy gets a save against those spells. If you can win that roll, may as well win the roll with a spell that's actually useful.

Enervation is good. No save, just a touch attack and it also reduces enemy attack and even reduces enemy HP by a tiny amount. You can also use Enervation to kill enemies that are immune to other methods of dying, provided you can cast it enough times.

>>15603141

You can't sunder items in this game, and enemies rarely have any kind of protective magic

>>15596756

Do you still get this ending if you disintegrate the ork fucker?

>>15603149

>Teh

>WTF???

reconsider existing in this world

>>15601675

I'm trying to play Chaotic Neutral leaning Evil but consistently find my tracker dot on the cusp of going True Neutral/Chaos Good through just not making retarded decisions that would obviously be a detriment. I appreciate having the option to execute/imprison cunts who roll into the throneroom apropos of nothing but that's robbing yourself of XP most of the time which wouldn't make sense to someone with a thirst for power

>>15603157

"XP" is a meta element that shouldn't affect roleplay. As far as your character is concerned, there is no such thing.

>>15603152

To be so booty blasted and bothered when someone makes a typo or uses a common shorthand that you do not approve off.

Perhaps you should take your own adivice. Clearly you are not fit to operate in society.

>>15603161

>"XP" is a meta element that shouldn't affect roleplay

>shouldn't

>roleplay

I'm not sat here in a pointy hat with a staff in my hand screaming "Excelsior!" at the screen every time my fag throws a spell m8. If I could I'd have my towns building monuments to XP, a giant 'XP' relief carved into the wall behind my throne and woven into my heraldry for good measure.

>>15603163

Hey, why don't you go fucking kill yourself retard?

>>15603161

What if I named my character Ivana Expee?

>>15603182

This, but kill yourself ironically.

>start game for the first time

>immediately greeted by the mandatory bard shitstain who even has an item making her immortal

>decide to roleplay a neutral evil character because good alignment playthroughs are always boring as fuck

>Bard gets her panties in a twist and fucks off on her own with the guy that looks like a cartoon villain

Everything went better than expected.

>>15603163

you type like a turbo-faggot tbh

>open up the east

>"Oh nice tons of shit to do"

>mountain travel takes for fucking ever

>everything on that side of the map done in one session

There's an awful lot of shitty little one/two room locations there, starting to see how this might end earlier than I'd hoped.

>>15603149

supposedly there's options to get Octavia to settle down with just you. If nothing else you could just kill the damn half orc.

Octavia's chute is all blown out though, this is a total 180 but I think at this point I'd rather fuck Amiri, granted she's loud and fighty with a bad personality and obviously has daddy/chieftan issues but she keeps her body half decent, probably still got her hymen too given how fractious she is. I have a feeling all she needs is a deep dicking to unwind that tense coil. Before you know it she'll be in a summer dress baking cookies and sucking your dick on the reg.

She's also not got necro pussy, isn't Brianne of Tarthing it, nor is she an annoying little twee squeaker. It still feels wrong but maybe the least wrong of a wrong bunch.

Watching /v/eddit try to discuss wrpgs makes me grateful for the Codex.

>>15603433

This. About the only flaw the Codex has is their laser focus on CRPGs, to the extent of being colossal turboplebs regarding P&P. The closest thing to a non-shit P&P forum is The Gaming Den, which is partly run by literal goons.

>>15603350

Athletic women tend to tear their hymen on their own just doing stuff. A monster punting her in the cunt would do it.

>>15595962

>stuttering

Don't know if related to your problem but I remember the drow polymorph spell in the Underdark caused stuttering issues.

>>15601799

>>15601853

>wife getting pumped full of green seed

>how professional my wife is

>as much as party girl as her mother was

>also the backstabbing nymph slut

I guess you guys were right when you called it pozfinder. Holy shit, these devs must be the most cucked ruskies ever.

>>15603107

Ding ding ding. This guy gets it.

>>15603433

Codex /v/ cross-posters has led to a rise in low effort shitposting on the codex though.

>>15603457

The original reason I even lurked imageboards was >>>/tg/ (and maybe >>>/fit/ or occasionally >>>/ck/).

>>15603770

/tg/ is probably the chillest board, but they don't have as much crunch comprehension as I'd like, there's too much tolerance of storygames/rules-lite, and the level of 40k fanboyism gets a little tiresome sometimes.

>>15603544

Aye she's probably had to extract a orge's toenail from her clout once or twice.

>>15603788

In that case you want tgdmb, yes.

I'm just starting out, but why are all the good alignment companions total turbofaggots? The bard was a pretty obnoxious copy of Deekin that's worse in every way and just made me want to murder her (except, wait, you can't, since she's got a fucking item that saves her ass every time), and the quasi-paladin girl is the most no-fun-allowed retard I've ever witnessed in a video game.

>>15603744

>>as much as party girl as her mother was

To clarify: She's the same woman, she just reincarnated herself into her daughter's body via some ritual.

Also, she was a supremely selfish slut who murdered people to gain more pleasure in life. Not much of a shock that she'd be the same after getting a new body.

Not saying this isn't degenerate, just that it's not the kind of modern, non-magical degeneracy it implies.

>>15604741

Start as evil and the bard bitch gets her panties in a twist and fucks off.

>>15603544

>Athletic women tend to tear their hymen on their own just doing stuff.

That's a myth propagated by (((feminists))). It takes insertion, sometimes more than once, to pop a cherry.

>we wuz venetians

>Soyer as lead

>patron can't include his funny poem

>anachronistic dyke fanfiction stays in

>deep reveal is atheism

>post-talent Obsidian

>>15604835

are you in the wrong thread

>>15604858

Is it moddable? I want to create another Annah clone. She'd probably end up being a better romance option too.

>>15601853

This game is making a great advertisement for going MGTOW. If those were my only options I'd NOPE the fuck out too. It seems like you're best off letting Jaethal's daughter die and staying celibate.

>>15604916

Don't be like that, the only solution is to make your own Tiefling waifu.

>>15604892

Not according to their FAQ no.

>Q: Will there be mod support, Steam workshop, DM mode, level editor?

>A: Not on launch. We're not against mods, but making this well takes resources, and we're spending what we have on the base game.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/0/1710690176751771635/

https://archive.is/tFPec

>>15604916

>making a great advertisement for going MGTOW

Sad but true, The majority of these women have slept with more than one men, its a safe bet that Nyrissa might have actually slept with hundreds if the letters are anything to go by.

>>15603544

>Athletic women tend to tear their hymen on their own just doing stuff.

You know that's just a roastie myth, right?

Anyone got the 1.0.10b patch for the gog version?

https://goggames.goodolddownloads.com/game/pathfinder_kingmaker

Is still on 1.0.9c

>>15605007

>1.0.9 patch download is just part 3 of the base game install

I have actually went back and given Pillars of Eternity a chance simply because it runs so much better.

How do you fuck up load times on a fucking CRPG?

>>15605081

I don't think Owlcat is adept at using Unity without needing ginormous RAM. Kinda weird since Unity 5 supposedly has a very robust on-the-fly asset streaming, so they could just front load everything and have screen swipe hide the transitions if need be.

>>15605297

I heard it was because they haven't gotten multithreading implemented on he processor, not a ram issue.

So do those "research into the nature of curses" projects actually do anything significant, or are they just a multi-month waste of time and money for a shitty +5 kingdom stat and a couple lines of text explaining the "curse"?

>>15605884

this. they are a consistent disappointment.

>>15605928

I was wondering if maybe they had something to do with a quest or ending later on. No then?

Curse ones are unique but that's about it it seems. On a similar note Howling Winds, The River Maiden, Doom Prophetess, Final and more are repeated ad nauseam.

Why does Jaethal need a ration every rest if she's unfuckingdead eh?

>>15606010

Final Stand or Last Stand or whatever it is where the shit serfs are revolting.

For all that it's poorly implemented (bought/killed/found food doesn't count as rations but does get used as ingredients) and a foregone conclusion after about level 3 I'm glad to see cooking is at least present in the game, the limit of recipes early on makes you realise how important someone who can knock up food on an extended journey is and how quickly any group would disband without one.

Does anybody have a download link to the 1.0.8b to 1.0.8c patch for the GoG version? The link here >>15605007 looks like it skipped that patch.

>>15605845

That would explain why I spend 30 seconds transitioning to a 10 square meter room with absolutely nothing on my PC being taxed and my SSD sitting idle.

>>15606010

Undead needs to eat living flesh if they don't want to become mindless zombies, right? Or am I mixing this up with another setting.

>>15607042

there's about a billion different types of undead in pathfinder, with various types of weaknesses and requirements and she makes it sound like she doesn't eat at all.

>>15606194

now if only they had included some of the various druid cleric and wizard spells that basically create food on demand or just outright remove your need to eat at all for a day.

Jhod now sells scrolls that reset your alignment to what you started out as. Lame. Why even put the alignment shifting dialogue mechanic if you can ignore it completely?

>>15607372

For how much though?

>>15607372

>respec

>in sp games

Always thought it was dumb, but at least it can be ignored.

>>15607425

Only an idiot would find it dumb ;)

>>15607372

because there's way too many alignment shifting dialog options that are effectively identical in outcome but come down to how sarcastic, mean, or faggy you might have said the same damn thing in. IE: my neutral character should not get slowly shifted to good simply because I don't chose to be be a rude asshole when speaking to someone.

>>15607435

Only an idiot would fail at planning ahead and sifting the trash from the treasure enough that they would need respecs and other hand-holding shit. Besides, if you can respec you're going to see people make stupid builds that are custom-tailored for encounters only to respec out of it later. That shit's lame as fuck, bro.

It's just empowering a new generation of gamers to be even more retarded. Git gud and you won't need respecs.

>>15607680

A good compromise would be something like in NWN where inbetween modules you can load your char into a testing hall and respec. That way you have to deal with your character for the whole module (in this game it could be chapters) at least.

>>15607680

okay, but the game doesn't even have the actual respec options that are suppose to be part of the base rules. like bards and sorcerers are suppose to be able to trade out some low level spells on level up, divine casters can opt for atonement rituals to get their powers back if they fall out of alignment etc.

Wait, so now we're on patch 10? And every patch is basically 10+ BG?

What a shitshow!

IS there even a cracked patch 10 out?

>>15607746

You don't need to crack it, codex crack from 1.0 works for all of the patches.

>>15607680

sorry babe, not everyone who plays the game is a dnd-obssessed dweeb who knows all the meta-builds

also, lol @ priding yourself at being good at a videogame

>>15607750

>Even nerd commando flamed people for being too obsessed with RPGs

Heh…. I really like "perfect builds" though it adds another element of fun for me.

>>15607747

I still need to get the patches, since torrent is non-steam.

>>15607779

Oh. That. Well you can grab 'em off cs.rin.ru

>>15607733

I actually never played NWN. I heard bad things about its campaign and I only heard about the modscene much later. I'm actually not a fan of D&D-based games.

>>15607738

>okay, but the game doesn't even have the actual respec options that are suppose to be part of the base rules. like bards and sorcerers are suppose to be able to trade out some low level spells on level up, divine casters can opt for atonement rituals to get their powers back if they fall out of alignment etc.

Fair enough.

>>15607750

If learning how to play a videogame is too elitist and hard for you, go play on easy mode difficulty already.

>>15607820

NWN isn't offensively bad. In fact, it's quite remarkable at the time of its release. It was a pretty good power fantasy.

Also, easy mode might be too difficult for some so there's Story Mode now. Those participation awards really fucked Americans in the long run.

>>15607827

NWN is one of the GOAT RPGs compare the spells you get on NWN to the trash you have to scrape by with on Pozfinder.

>>15607866

NWN's quest progression can pretty much be summed up by "collect 4 things, there's one in every direction, repeat every chapter". Anyway, the spells are in large part due to pathfinder nerfing OP wizards, and the fact that blasters suck in KM is really a good thing because they are one of the most brainless ways to play.

>>15607827

>NWN isn't offensively bad. In fact, it's quite remarkable at the time of its release. It was a pretty good power fantasy.

What I heard about NWN is that it's only worth playing for the custom modules, which are said to be leagues better than anything BioWare made.

>Also, easy mode might be too difficult for some so there's Story Mode now. Those participation awards really fucked Americans in the long run.

You can sink lower, it's called YouTube and Twitch.

>>15607883

Yeah that's the BioWare formula for you:

Page: https://web.archive.org/web/20110307075248/http://hellforge.gameriot.com/blogs/Hellforge/Bioware-RPG-Cliche-Chart

Chart: https://web.archive.org/web/20100826045432/http://gza.gameriot.com/content/images/orig_320200_1_1257581825.png

Have a chart courtesy of Ian Miles Cheong. They did that shit in pretty much all their games since the beginning.

>>15607939

The "travel to four locations" in BG is bullshit. Although some things in that chart are on point, they fucked up by forcing in even the parts that don't fit.

>>15607883

And damage shields and anything that was fun.

OC is average yes (I like it with cheat engine 1.5x speed it's not so bad) and we did all play it here a few times here when it was free an anon hosted a multiplayer session it was fun as fuck.

>>15607820

NWN's OC sucking is mostly because it was just slapped together as a well documented demonstrative example for the game's main feature, the mod tools. The later expansion campaigns were written simply to be played, and subsidize the creation of additional assets for modders.

There's absolutely no excuse for (excepting the excellent MoTB) NWN2's mediocre official campaigns, though.

>>15607995

NWN2's OC was WAY better than NWN1's. I'd say it was better than SOU too, though HotU has it beat.

>>15607995

NWN2's campaign was similar to NWN in that they were made to showcase what the new mod tools can do. It also served as a typical introduction to the setting. I remember Avellone saying the publisher didn't want to alienate people who were coming in fresh into the setting (see MattChat). It why when they were allowed to do whatever they wanted, they pulled MoTB.

It's a shame not a lot of people jumped on NWN2's mod tools like NWN1 but I guess that's what you get when you almost make a game engine sdk. Shit, I need to replay that thing.

>>15607785

>cs.rin.ru

It's down and has been down for some time.

Anyone know where else I could get patches?

>>15608014

The more modern and complex the game, the more complex the mod tools end up being, which translates to fewer and simpler mods because no one can use the tools.

If you guys think Kingmaker is fucked, jist look up the (updated) ruleset for the 2E playtest. It is beyond fucked.

>>15607995

>There's absolutely no excuse for (excepting the excellent MoTB) NWN2's mediocre official campaigns

Storm of Zehor or what ever it's called was a perfectly fine game, it was just trying to be more like Icewind Dale than NWN.

>>15607883

Pathfinder didn't do shit to blasters, (in fact they might have slightly buffed them) because those spells were already considered utter trap options in 3/3.5E due to the hp bloat of all the monsters and total wastes of a spell slot. What PF nerfed were all the save of die spells, which is why you get spells like "finger of death" being a shitty arcane version of "Harm" doing a flat amount of damage instead of flat out killing a person regardless of hit points on a failed save like it used to.

>>15608273

That sounds like Jaethal using the ritual. Since her daughter didn't gave such an impression when we met her.

>>15608335

Yes, that's what is implied. She body jumps into her kid's body to be able to get with you.

>>15608132

read the thread

>>15607995

>There's absolutely no excuse for (excepting the excellent MoTB) NWN2's mediocre official campaigns, though.

? NWN2's campaign was actually good though.

>>15608132

If you have tor, you can still access the forums.

>>15608291

So what are best spells for wizzards/sorcs?

Coming into this from not having played much tabletop stuff, there's a lot of stuff in this game (from pathfinder rules I guess) that I really dislike. The feats for example are a giant cluster fuck . 95% of feats are complete shit (take a +2 on any knowledge world or dick sucking checks), 2.5% of them are completely vital for getting your archetype to run right, and the other 2.5% are shitty abilities that are prerequisites to the vital portion. The worst part about all this is that most of the vital feats aren't even cool enhancements. They're shit you should have had from the start that got ripped out of your class for some reason or another. Dex scaling on daggers shouldn't be a feat; that should be the default. For some reason though they broke it into 3 feats to get a single weapon type to properly scale with dex. Archers shouldn't have to take point blank, a feat that sounds like shit (if you're shooting your bow at point blank you're eating attacks of opportunity), to stop the -4 penalty for targets in combat with precise shot. If I pumped 20 dex to be able to reliably shoot past teamates, then I shouldn't need a feat too. It's even weirder that wizards also need to take those same two feats. It's particularly weird when you consider that the feats use language like "ranged weapons" and players have to make the jump from thinking that the wizard's fire ray is a spell to thinking about it as a "ranged weapon".

The whole pacing of the game feels really off. My party could probably go months without returning to town, but they'll drop dead if they don't take a nap every 15 minutes. Everything in the world seems to die kind of fast, and I just don't feel like that trait combines well with an rng heavy combat system. I also don't particularly love the state of crowd control abilities. Why make it random whether it succeeds or not? They should have gone about making crowd controls weaker in some other way than a random chance to fail. They had options: cc spells could have been higher level, they could have made the low end ccs less restrictive on the target, they could have chosen to give more guaranteed immunities/reduction of effects based on situational things (ex: heavily drilled soldiers are resistant to fear and need to be hit with 2 sources to proc the effect, a character that just got a good nights rest is immune to sleep, a character that has been walking around in the sun is resistant to blind because his eyes are adjusted to heavy light, etc). However, they decided a shitty dice roll would be the best solution.

The whole system is just so convoluted. I feel like I need to look into getting a pathfinder lawyer on retainer so I can figure out things as simple as which aspects of my character scale with which stat. The whole (pathfinder) system reeks of feature creep by a bunch of devs who were very very loosely working with one another. The system combines the rng of Mario Party with years of balance patches that strip the fun out of multiplayer games, and it presents it all in the most esoteric way possible. Christ, I'm not opposed to learning a large set of rules in whatever I'm playing, but what I've seen of this rule set makes me think the pay off won't be worth the time investment.

>>15608855

I played magus so i can only give you so much, But Scorching Ray, Glitterdust, Slow, Haste, etc.

>>15608932

/thread for me at least.

>>15608855

Buffs and "Save or Suck" spells mainly. My two favorites are Stinking Cloud and Haste. Haste should be pretty obvious, it's one of the single most powerful buffs in the game, it basically makes everyone in your party twice as good overall. Stinking Cloud is the best "save or suck" spell you can possibly ask for. It affects a wide area for a long period of time, you can make your own party immune to it (delay poison communal), and if the enemy fails even one save they may as well be dead (can't attack or cast spells, and the AI never tells them to run out of the cloud)

Just to give you a quick rundown, here's what my sorc has at level 14:

>Level 1 Spells

Mage Armor

Shield

Entangle (free)

Hurricane Bow

Magic Missile

Burning Hands

Hurricane bow is a minor buff, but it's long enough duration that it's worth casting. Mage armor stacks on pets, shield stacks with anything the sorc has. Magic Missile and Burning Hands give me an "auto hit" and an AoE/fire spell if absolutely necessary, they rarely are.

I SHOULD have reduce and/or enlarge person. Reduce is great for Wizards/sorcs because it increases AC and touch attack at the cost of weapon damage (they dont care). Enlarge SHOULD grant reach to melee.

>Level 2

Sense Vitals

Hideous Laughter (free)

Mirror Image

Scorching Ray

Web

Molten Orb

Sense vitals is short duration, but not bad for increasing the sorcs passive damage and/or on the rare chance I might use Scorching Ray (sneak attack on every ray). Hideous Laughter is great at lower levels as a disabling spell (save or suck). Mirror Image is one of the best ways to keep a mage alive if things go badly. Web has some cheesy uses but I mostly don't bother myself. Molten orb was filler.

>Level 3

Haste

Deep Slumber (free)

Resist Energy Communal

Stinking Cloud

Heroism

Haste and Stinking Cloud I already explained. Almost anyone in my party could cast Resist Energy Communal (The spell doesnt say in game, but it goes up to 20 and later 30 resistance as you level), but sometimes I cast it a bunch of times, so the sorc gets it. Heroism is a long duration buff. I also have Greater heroism, but far fewer casts of it.

>Level 4

Controlled Fireball

Poison (free)

Confusion

Greater Invisibility

Enervation

Controlled fireball helps if I need to drop an AOE on my own party, like say if there are a bunch of swarms I need to take care of. I rarely use it, but it's a lot safer than fireball which I would pretty much never use (so I don't learn it). Combined with Resist Energy it's guaranteed to do no damage to friendlies.

Poison is trash, confusion was kind of a mistake. I was misled to believe it only targeted enemies, which is untrue. It IS an AOE "save or suck" so it's not that bad, but stinking cloud is better. Enervation allows me to reduce a targets saving throw, it's a touch attack with no save on its own, so as long as I can hit touch AC I can reduce even the toughest enemies. Greater Invis is kind of too short to be too much use, but it is a nice buff.

1/2

>>15608978

>Level 5

Animal Growth

Vinetrap (free)

Constricting Coils

Fire Snake

Animal Growth is what I cast most here. I have 3 pets, so I need 3 casts of it and don't want to occupy all of my druids spell slots at this level. Vinetrap and Constricting coils are basically the same spell (Hold monster + Damage). Both can take a single target out of the fight for a while, The difference is that Vinetrap targets Reflex saves and is not mind-affecting, meaning it works on undead, while Constricting Coils targets Will saves and is mind affecting. Coupled with Stinking cloud earlier, this means I can choose any save my enemy has, will, reflex, or fortitude and try to beat their weakest save.

Fire snake is party-friendly damage again. I like having ONE damage spell, even if I never use it, just in case. My character also has Fire specialization (higher saves) because of a spell on the next level, so I focus mainly on fire spells.

>Level 6

Sirocco

Greater Heroism

Greater Dispel Magic (free)

Sirocco is a very powerful spell. It combines both good damage and Save-or-suck power in one spell. It lasts Caster Level turns doing 4d6+CL damage every turn, fort save for half (which I can maximize with a rod). More importantly, if the enemy fails their fort save they are knocked prone. Furthermore, if they take any damage at all from Sirocco they become Fatigued, and if they take damage again they become Exhausted. Combine Sirocco with Web or Entangle and the enemy simply can't get out, which makes it a great way to solo entire groups of enemies, especially the kind of shit you don't want to let anywhere near your melee, like level draining Specters.

Greater Heroism is a strong buff, but the main benefit for me is +4 skill checks, which saves me a hell of a lot of savescumming on traps/locks, lore checks, and persuasion attempts.

>Level 7

Firebrand

There's literally nothing here I actually wanted to take. Firebrand is just a short duration AOE buff that adds 1d6 fire damage to everyone in my party (including pets). It's not terrible, but it's not really "level 7" good either. Prismatic Spray is a very common choice, but I don't like how random and potentially team-killing it is. Another good option is Legendary Proportions, which is like Animal Growth for non-animals. Problem is that one has a material component that I hate using.

Worth mentioning, My Druid casts all the Animal Aspect buffs and Stoneskin (communal) if/when necessary, so my Sorc doesn't need any of those. Keep in mind which spells other casters in your party can cast that you don't need to use 5 times, and you can skip those on the Sorc.

Starting to see some locations for the 4th time now, this on top of 98% of outdoor locations being a small square and the other 2% as large squares is telling me the devs are lazy fucks.

>>15608400

"Ragtag band of misfits" is very different from "cuck central", which is more or less what you get.

>>15608932

I would agree with some of your points had you not chosen some of the worst examples that make you look like a retard. Feat taxing is a genuine issue in Pathfinder, as is too many completely terrible options that offer little to nothing for any character. The system has also been falling apart more and more, as they just cram random shit into it so they can sell more books.

>if you're shooting your bow at point blank you're eating attacks of opportunity

It sounds like you are just reading titles and scanning text for numbers with pluses on them. Point-blank shot explicitly describes itself as working when within 30 feet of your target. Unless you're fighting gigantic dragons wielding longspears, you're fine.

Also, basically every RPG/war game penalizes players for shooting into melee. Some games just straight up refuse to let you do it, some give you a chance to hurt your allies. Here, you can freely attack enemies engaged in melee using your ranged weapons with nothing but a 20% reduced chance to hit. If you did raise your numbers high enough and are fighting something that isn't hard to hit, you can actually ignore that.

>It's particularly weird when you consider that the feats use language like "ranged weapons" and players have to make the jump from thinking that the wizard's fire ray is a spell to thinking about it as a "ranged weapon".

Spells explicitly say if they make an attack or not. That's not really a jump when the spell directly says "make a ranged attack".

>cc spells could have been higher level, they could have made the low end ccs less restrictive on the targetmaking crowd controls weaker in some other way than a random chance to fail.

Good news - many crowd control options above low level spells have a reduced effect if the save is made, as opposed to no effect.

>heavily drilled soldiers are resistant to fear and need to be hit with 2 sources to proc the effect, a character that just got a good nights rest is immune to sleep, a character that has been walking around in the sun is resistant to blind

Fighters do have fear resistance as a class ability though. Paladins have it best, and extend it to everyone. Barbarians don't and shouldn't because they're dumb superstitious tribesmen who talk to totems. I don't know what your eyes being adjusted to the sunlight have to do with stopping a necromancy spell from ruining your eyes or going blind from poison. If you're referring to the Flare spell that gives you the dazzled condition, then I don't know if I'd bother arguing whether or not a flashbang going off in your face should give you the -1 penalty to attack for one turn while outdoors or not. A magical spell called 'Sleep' doesn't make you drowsy and fall asleep because you're tired. It flicks your brain into sleep mode, whether you're tired or not.

Your post hurts to read because you chose the most casual/retarded shit to be upset about with a system that barely functions and is absolutely crammed full of shit to be upset about. I also don't know how you made this leap from rules/crowd control are obscure/difficult, to wanting a spell where you can say, "no that creature is immune to your spell, it just took a nap." If I ever cast crowd control on a bandit and a game told me that it had no effect because they were tucked in real good about an hour ago, I'd delete that shit in a heartbeat.

40lb of diamond dust in my stash, compress all that shit together and I could outfit 29 kings with a hat, stick and tit decorations. Huge wind elemental moves like a retarded Stay Puft

Anyone know how to disable defensive casting?

Randomly, my magus just started using it in every battle, locking me out of melee combat.

>>15610149

That's not what defensive casting does. In this game, "defensive casting" is just a roll to see if you can cast a spell without triggering an attack of opportunity. It does nothing else, pass the roll you don't trigger an attack, fail the roll and you do.

>>15610174

no, literally, it says "casting defensively", a little blue hand icon appears over the character and I can't actually attack anyone.

Is this garbage playable yet? They released 10 patches already and seems the end game is still broken. Shit makes obsidian look good.

>>15610274

They are just releasing everything as fast as possible instead of putting it into one big patch, they still haven't even gotten to the first big patch yet, which they are still planning on doing.

>>15609635

I think I'm pretty justified in saying that precise shot working for wizards is weird.

>You can shoot or throw ranged weapons at an opponent engaged in melee without taking the standard –4 penalty on your attack roll.

from https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/precise-shot-combat-final/. Yeah, they're specifically talking about ranged weapons. I'm guessing you're pretty used to the system because from the outside thinking about the wizard hurling a ball of fire from his hands doesn't equate to a ranged weapon. A weapon seems like it needs to be more tangible or solid. In the abstract a fist or magic can be wielded as weapons, but that's not the first thing that comes to mind in that situation. I'd categorize the fireball as a ranged attack sure, but it just doesn't seem like a weapon. As for point blank shot, yeah, when you have that many abilities a proper name is damn important, and I don't think 30ft really counts as point blank. The idea of getting a small bonus for getting into "point blank" range as an archer (in a game where that is heavily penalized) doesn't really sound like that great of an ability. So I stand by saying that it sounds like shit. It does unless you bother to look closely enough at how they've defined point blank range.

>I also don't know how you made this leap from rules/crowd control are obscure/difficult, to wanting a spell where you can say, "no that creature is immune to your spell, it just took a nap"

In regards to the cc immunity part, it was just me trying to say that the dice roll for saving throw system is terrible. It's not a design that lends itself to good gameplay, and it wasn't meant to be. The constant dice rolling in tabletop is meant to make interesting situations for the group. It is meant to enhance the party aspect of the game. A situation where you encounter a mob using instant death spells is a lot more engaging for the group when he is rolling dice to see how badly he'll fuck someone over. It's also shit game design though.

>Your post hurts to read because you chose the most casual/retarded shit to be upset about

Well, I've only casually learned the rules of the game so I probably wouldn't know much about its deeper problems. However, if you're telling me that the system has worse problems than the staggering amounts of feature creep held together with duct tape, extremely esoteric rules, and an insane reliance on rng, then I think I'm right in deciding not to take it too seriously.

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>>15608400

Notice it's also in the pros column. There's actual diversity, and there's "diversity".

>>15608291

>>15608444 (checked)

Not saying they're bad, just markedly subpar for Obsidian, or even Bioware.

>>15610274

You can finish the game, there are just some sidequests that are currently broken. The late stage Amiri quest, for one.

>>15610274

>Shit makes obsidian look good.

except I wouldn't be able to finish an Obsidian game because it's boring and uninspired with Sawyer's crap ideas stuffed in. Pillars may have been buggy, but I never could last long enough to get to the bugs since the prologue and chapter one were such a snooze.

>>15611565

>since the prologue and chapter one were such a snooze

How so?

>>15611688

Is this guy stealing their souls… to power his dick? Is this a new fetish?

>>15614508

I think he's stealing energy from the commoner and transferring it to the noblewoman

>>15614525

How disappointingly mundane.

>>15615294

Yeah, I noticed that there is somewhat of a nipple on the default nude layer. Also, your ass turns into an upside down pyramid when your character is going through the sitting animation.

>>15615294

>elf has clownier looking feet than halfling

That's not even Blizzard artstyle, that's heading in Megaman direction.

>>15615294

>elf is a degenerate nudist

As expected.