/v/ - Video Games

SotN IS a classic, you dingus.

The metroid-like CV games are not very good tbh. Only SOTN and COTM are any good. Dracula x on SNES is still the best CV next to rondo of blood.

>>15336028

I understand the problems with them. I like the original formula for challenge, but the igavania/metroidvania style is comfy occasionally and I can always adjust my playstyle.

>>15336035

Yes, I've played I, II, III, IV, X (partially), Bloodlines, and SoTN. III, Bloodlines, and SoTN are my personal favorites, in that order.

>>15336074

You got the good taste then I’ve been playing through III myself and absolutely adoring it. Still need to play Rondo though, but yeh, definitely soldier through till you hit the DS games. They are all real good and build on the SoTN formula well.

Dracula X is shit

I remember hearing this game was originally meant to be a GBC game that went through trouble and got reworked into a GBA one after COTM came out quicker than expected. No clue if that's true but it would explain a lot.

>>15336074

The vania CV games get way too easy too fast and they get really boring about halfway through. I mean, at a certain point in SOTN you really cant be killed unless its from the few enemies that deal percentage damage.

>>15336136

And then you get the fog and even they can't kill you.

>>15336149

I didnt even use the fog since it was way overpowered. Tbh even SOTN isnt that great. I just replayed it last week and it was only to pass time. I had a better time playing rondo.

>>15336163

It's probably the closest thing I can call a leisure game that I play other than the first 3 Dragon Quests at least once every other year or so. Takes maybe 5ish hours to beat and really I only bother because the soundtrack and ambiance is just that good. If the later games weren't stuck on handhelds they'd have surely outdone it in that regard for me.

>>15336177

I found the soundtrack kinda boring too. Just alot of ambiance. Dracula x on snes and rondo had a better soundtrack that i still listen to.

>>15336188

I should probably reiterate that I play it after Rondo each time because that makes it much better. Honestly I get the feeling sometimes it was meant to be the last game in the series by how many callbacks there are and how overly dramatic the final fight is.

>>15335966

Circle of the Moon have decent graphics and great music but worse controls, Aria of sorrow is a great improvement over the two. Try playing Dracula X Chronicles next, a decent remake of the game from PC engine and if you're good enough you can unlock the original Rondo of Blood game and the sequel, Symphony of the Night.

Also very important:

PRESS DOWN IN A CASTLE SIDE PORTAL (the ones with the circle) TO TELEPORT TO A DIFFERENT PORTAL YOU'RE ALREADY FOUND.

>>15336279

>Circle of the Moon have decent graphics and great music but worse controls,

Between Circle of the Moon and HoD I'd actually say CotM's controls are better. It's definitely more momentum based, but once you get dash and double jump movement throughout the castle is actually decently fun. In HoD movement is very floaty and you start/stop instantly which, while smooth, doesn't really do anything fun (there's no platforming like CotM). Plus in HoD moving at any decent speed requires button mashing (either l/r or slide) which gets annoying quick.

A shame the drop rate is so shit (yet everything comes from drops) in CotM though

My personal favorite is COTM, but only because I was 12 when my mom got me a GBA with it.

Aria is generally considered the best in series, as far as the exploration CV's goQ

I really like Aria of Sorrow, feels like a more balanced SOTN and I'd kill for a version of it that had even half the animation quality SOTN had in it.

>>15336493

I did say

>A shame the drop rate is so shit (yet everything comes from drops) in CotM though

>>15336819

ok so you mentioned the cards, but what about the rest?

>>15336806

I'd like a game that took the content of SoTN with AoS's speed and balance.

>>15336896

A remaster of the Sorrow duology would be great if they wouldn't inevitably fuck it up.

Bloodstained's vita version is cancelled I hear.

>>15336011

>>>/cuckchan/

>>15336493

CotM is a weird one. Getting the ability to move fast so early is great. Making it activate via double tap isn't. Wall jumping is fun. There being so few places where it's used isn't. It's fun finding out the different effects of the card combos. Actually getting the cards is an exercise of frustrating tedium. The music is generally composed well. The sound quality is pretty poor, and a significant portion of the music is just remixes of old tunes.

Of course, there's other problems. More than one new ability is just a "remove this type of block" ability. Quite a few of the rooms, particularly those at dead ends that exist only to hold items for you to find, are copy/pasted. There's even more blatantly palette swapped enemies than in SotN, and the majority of them are the incredibly uncreative "this one is fire, this one is ice, this one is poison" variety. The game tries to have a plot, but it's fairly dull and uninteresting, especially the protagonist.

I like the game, but it's not without it's problems.

>>15335966

Harmony of Dissonance is the worst metroidvania Castlevania. A shame, because i quite like the magic system in that one. A good play on subweapons, even if it makes hearts pretty fucking useless. I'll give a quick opinion on the other metroidvanias you haven't played.

>CotM

Toss up really. For every great thing (music), there's a bad thing (enemy variation). In general I find it really fun, but your millage will definitely vary. The extra modes are cool too.

>AoS

Really solid, though gets a bit more credit than it deserves. The plot is fucking garbage (the fact that there's no interaction between Soma and Death, who SHOULD know exactly what's going on, is reatarded for instance), and the soul system can be grindy. Overall it's solid though. Julius mode is fun.

>DoS

Aria of Sorrow but better in almost every way. Extra souls have uses, the presentation is obviously upgraded, and the plot is marginally less retarded (though Death still refuses to play a role other than silent boss fight). The reason I get hung up on Death is because he's already established as a character with dialog and interactions, and I find his place in the lore really interesting. The big problem is the magic seals, but honestly the rest of the game makes up for it. Also Julius mode has received an upgrade and honestly it might be my favorite extra mode of any castlevania game.

>PoR

Another solid entry. Later areas are literal palate swaps of earlier ones, though. The switching mechanic is interesting and handled way better than, say Castlevania III. I quite like it, but nothing really stands out about it. The extra modes are pretty fun.

>OoE

This one is really good. The story is actually coherent and interesting with good characters! There are side quests, many areas, and the gameplay is different, but not in a bad way. It's probably the most challenging of the metroidvanias, especially the level 1 cap hard mode. The beginning of the game is quite linear though, which i know some dislike. Albus mode is honestly fantastic and is second only to DoS Julius. Having viable gunplay in Castlevania with him is a real treat.

In general, aa the rest of the thread said, things get a lot better at the DS. That being said, my top three are probably SotN, Rondo of Blood, and Order of Ecclesia, with Sotn at the top and the others tied. Yeah, SotN is easy, but there's so much care put into trivial details and so many neat weapons and loadouts and strategies that I can't help but love it.

>>15337213

CotM has retarded level design, you can only truly progress once you have access to vertical mobility.

>>15335966

Maybe, as me, you are bothered by the inferior soundtrack, then everything else looks worse than it is.

I like playing HoD, but the lackluster soundtrack makes it boring sometimes, and it is the only metroidvania style that i don't play regularly as the others. I only play it when i had not played in ages, and go look back into it.

>>15336948

He's right, though. Symphony isn't a classic Castlevania in style or in era it was released at.

Harmony of Dissonance is just really mediocre tbh, even the music is a clusterfuck because the dev made the compositions but then compressed them to 8bit or some shit. Even then, the composition for most of them are just… messy. Not even in a decent "avant garde, jazzy" way. They're just not great pieces. There's still two good tracks, though; my favorite being embed related (re-arranged to sound less like dogshit), which is oddly one of my favorite CV tracks.

Circle of the Moon is a lot better, albeit slightly "clunky" in some regards. It's meant to be a bit slower paced, although a dedicated "run" button is a bit… odd, but it works for the platforming segments. It's my personal favorite of the GBA era, just for the overall polish the game has, and for really feeling like a good mix of Classicvania and Metroidvania.

Aria of Sorrow is probably the most solid of the 3, though - lots of goodies to get, and I think the biggest of the GBA games. Not to mention the kickass extra mode. Plays most similarly to Symphony of the Night, though, since you're playing as Not Alucard (AKA Soma Cruz).

I never played the DS games, and I know I should

>>15337797

Yes, but he's still a cuckchanner.

>>15337856

The "zoomer" thing is absolutely a cuckchan meme. Went over there recently for porn and saw it everywhere.

It's just shit.

Skip to godly AOS.

>>15337901

"Boomers" are usually retarded moralfaggot normalfaggots.

>>15339507

I don't know, Konami can't rely on pachinko, anymore. If anything, they're probably hoping Smash will bring attention to the series so they can capitalize on it. Given Survive, though, it's likely it won't be good.

>>15339507

>and the Netflix show

Edgy Indian pls go

>>15339507

There's always Mercury Steam for another lazy reiminaging.

>>15337873

It's a solid meme. I don't care about your gay tribalism.

>>15337873

>>15337901

IIRC the actual origin of the "30 year old boomer meme" is from a Jewtuber e-celebrity named Scrub who is associated with the morning Kumite and Mister Metokur. It was adopted by unimaginative cuckchanners because cy++++ cuckchan is just reddit. It's infestation on 8chan likely comes from nu/cow/ because its IBS thread is attracting TRS, cuckchan, endchan and jewtube e-celebritie. In my opinion its pure cancer equivalent to /intl/

>>15339507

>the last hurrah of the series

Why?

>>15341527

Because konami is fucking dead as a game developer?

Or do you think that pachinko is the future of the series?

>>15339507

Be honest, do you actually want Konami to make more Castlevania after Lords of Shadow? They aren't bad games but they're terrible Castlevania games.

>>15339507

I mean, Mega Man was basically fucking dead as a series and then he got into Smash and now we're getting Mega Man 11.

I wouldn't lose hope.

>>15341578

We lose no matter what, atleast the metroidvanias were good games, but between lord of edgy and pachinko the series will only live on memory and fans doing shit like bloodstained.

>>15341593

Anon, its current year konami we are talking about.

>>15337765

Yeah, the sound quality isn't that great, but it isn't terrible. Unfortunately for HoD I decided to give CotM a go and have been enjoying that. Only problem I have with CotM is how off-brand the enemies seem compared to the rest of the series.

>>15341609

The entire game is rather off brand considered there's no Belmonts or Morrises and no Vampire Killer. It sort of feels like a Korean knockoff that got christened into the series to fill a release gap or something.

>>15341813

But the whip is Vampire Killer.

>>15341953

It's called the Hunter Whip in game.

>>15337130

because it's a GBA entry. you can accuse COTM of "reusing" enemies, but every other IGA vania used shit that was in CoTM to begin with.

"double tap" to run is the lamest complaint ever, I've never had an issue with it, do people have sausage fingers?

>>15337364

CoTM has solid level design, you can run through everything pretty easily

>>15341578

From Konami? Yes.

What ruined Konami was the fraud Kojimbo.

>>15340689

How does it feel being the Jew of the Internet, never having a homeland and only subverting and destroying the places you do settle?

>>15341813

Yeah, even when an enemy is named similar and acts sorta similar to a series staple they look off.

>>15342125

>"double tap" to run is the lamest complaint ever

People have a problem with that? I'm playing on a keyboard and it feels just fine to me. I think it was lazy for dash, double jump, and wall jumping magic items to all be three separate kinds of boots I am somehow wearing at the same time though.

>>15339507

>Sad reminder that simon and richter in smash and the netflix show are probably the last hurrah of the series.

>two characters in what will be one of the best selling games of the year

>An adaptation of one of the games that isn't shit

I can think of worse ways to fade into the night

>>15337873

This is exactly the thing a zoomer would say.

GET OUT UNDERAGE SCUM

>>15342017

Kinda like when Richter couldn't say "Die monster!" at his reveal because it would raise the rating and yet we see characters actually dying in the reveal trailers. God how i fucking hate the ESRB rating bullshit even Sakurai said it.

>>15343091

It's fun, to be honest.

>>15336136

there was that one ring that lowered your def to 0 but gave you a huge boost everywhere else. i found that it makes the game a lot more fun

is bloodstained worth getting?

>>15346610

I hate everything in the game that causes curse way more, bloody swords die pretty easy overall.

>>15346760

It's not out, m8.

>>15344501

You could fade into the night with a symphony

>>15346796

They die easily, but the whip isn't quick enough to deal with them effectively when they are harassing while I'm trying to fight something else. Taking damage from them isn't what's annoying. Getting knocked around by them (particularly to a lower floor) is, I lost a drop because of that shit.

>>15346948

Fair enough, don't get me wrong they are fuckers, I just hate that curse shit more.

>>15346948

Ironically the best way to kill them is with a sword combo because of the arced swing. They're also easy to corral into a corner and just ignore.

>>15346842

https://store.steampowered.com/app/838310/Bloodstained_Curse_of_the_Moon/

am i wrong about something or are you

>>15347014

That a prequel thing they made to hype up the game. I have a feeling it will end up being better than the main release.

>>15347033

huh, i didnt even know about the upcoming game. youre probably right

>>15347117

The prequel thingie is good though, its kinda like castlevania 3.

It probably will be better… but hopefully just because the prequel is that good.