85a99b No.15321778
Will we ever see another AC gaem in AC3's setting besides Ace Combat Advance?
The mainline games are certainly approaching the timeframe of General's rise to power, wouldn't surprise me if they were to have a hand in the Lighthouse war of AC7.
Neucom did nothing wrong
c1ebad No.15323893
2ace7e No.15324267
>>15323893
between 6 and 8
94bfb9 No.15324442
>>15323893
Excuse you the correct pronoun is √49.
562063 No.15324535
Ace Combat 8? 7 will probably he the last real war between nations and not mega corporstions that own anything. Unless they never make another game or go into more prequels like Zero.
880b44 No.15325752
Is Electrosphere what an ancap paradise looks like?
b93c49 No.15325976
>>15321778
7 is probably going to be the closest yet to 3 in the timeline (besides X maybe), especially with 7's focus on future technology. The "Beast" mentioned in trailers for 7 might even be a prototype for something in particular from 3 for all we know.
297d51 No.15326031
d97097 No.15326679
Anyone got a Eboot of the AC3 translation?
99128f No.15327384
>>15326679
I have prepatched ISOs but can't get any of the eboot converters to run in wine.
/ipfs/QmSzEqLWZz8V7xQtktuRVz45hGZaTdUB1kTw2JkmiFJBai
c1ebad No.15327577
>>15324267
>>15324442
You wanna go big guy?
b223eb No.15332365
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Damn well took long enough for this to appear.
57d4d6 No.15332692
>>15332365
Why does she look like a Mexican?
>Harlings Mirror
I assume that this games "Razgriz"? Some kind of judgement when you are dead.
49fb62 No.15332730
>JAN 18th
ehhhhh
EEEEEEEEHHH
I'll take it
4148c9 No.15332739
>>15332365
I sure hope we won't hear some stronk female prolapsonist flap her vertically lipped dickhole during every mission.
7dff56 No.15332748
>>15332739
Nagase wasn't that bad.
6b9e8a No.15332773
>>15332730
Could have been worse.
4148c9 No.15332966
>>15332773
I'm really digging their Leitmotiv. Can't wait to blast that soundtrack as well as imitate all the beeps and boops and the radio chatter while driving my shitty hatchback.
1f655f No.15333000
>all those fucking jets
>those special weapons
>grizzled old veteran rival paying homage to earlier entries in the series (?)
>half rim glasses serious director man from every anime ever
>a release date
>only need to dodge major spoilers for two weeks
good grief, I'm hyped for a video game again
652850 No.15333016
>>15333000 (checked)
It's Sudo from Yakuza
b223eb No.15333022
>>15333000
Probably related to Simon Cohen.
2a0b05 No.15333073
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Seems to have spoilers in it. Beware anons
782880 No.15333098
>>15333073
>Penal cannon fodder pilots
I knew Strangereal was crazy, but didn't think it was crazy enough to use criminals as expendables in a War in very expensive aircrafts, though, pretty cool, also "Spare" callsigns, haha.
244979 No.15333116
>>15332773
Never played an ace combat game in my life, hell never even played a flight sim, but that trailer actually got my hyped for a video game for the first time in a long time, just something about the cinematography and the beauty of it all. If i was too get it, what would i need to know about the franchise in order to get a good experience
ecda20 No.15333458
>>15333116
>Never played an ace combat game in my life
Play Ace Combat 4, 5, and Zero in that order.
ed2cfc No.15333503
>>15321778
But wasn't neucom just a pawn for ouroboros? By the way, they also had the best plane designs.
a56a15 No.15333691
Guys it looks like we have a new superplane on our hands. There's a clear resemblance to the FALKEN but it lacks the forward-swept wings, however it's nowhere near big enough to be an ADLER either.
b93c49 No.15333755
>>15332365
About time we got a date. Hopefully we'll get a playable demo before then too.
c1ebad No.15333760
>>15332365
>>15332730
Also February 1st for the PC version
49b20d No.15333820
>>15333098
I don't think aircraft are that expensive, when the latest and greatest shoot lasers and are AI controlled superweapons. Outfitting a penal squadron with outdated surplus aircraft from a junkyard should be trivial to countries who have the capital to invest is colossal space elevators and devastating low orbit space craft that can orbitally bombard target with laser beams.
>>15333691
It's a Fregata most likely is my guess, since its a COFFIN craft with the two small wings on the front. Although the lack of the fin on the back may indicate that it's a variant.
5dbdf6 No.15334056
>>15333820
>outdated surplus aircraft from a junkyard
Those won't fly, and if they fly, they are fucking expensive to maintain because replacement parts aren't produced anymore.
154456 No.15334096
>>15332365
So is it safe to assume that Trigger is a Erusean traitor?
58841d No.15334150
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Which game of the franchise has the most memorable and amazing OST?
75e617 No.15334238
>3
the setting just inhererntly bothers me. corporate rule is all well and good but I can't help but overthink it and end up giving myself bad feels in the process.
ecda20 No.15334360
>>15334056
Good thing prisoners are expandable.
154456 No.15334668
>>15334372
>>15334627
>buttfuck ugly
>low amount of buttons
<Boss how should the design be?
<Just make it square and slap the game title on it Jenkins
d9adba No.15334691
Is Joint Assault any good or is it as bad as Assault Horizon?
e86af9 No.15334695
>>15334056
We're talking about Ace Combat world where aircraft are autonomously pumped out of production plants and spare parts are a dime a dozen.
>>15334668
So no different from the previous AC sticks?
ec0b83 No.15334719
>>15334668
Sorry it doesn't have rainbow LEDs tailored for your faggotry.
154456 No.15334730
>>15334695
At least the others had more design to it, this one just looks really dull.
>>15334719
>
2dbb01 No.15334732
>>15334627
just get a warthog for $200 and the TWCS throttle for $60
it will have more buttons and way better than this
562063 No.15334955
>>15332365
>Stonehenge 2.0
Fuck yeah
>There are pilots like you in every generation
>And I felled every last one of them
Would be spooky if he killed some of the pilots you played as or is one of the ones you played as
559351 No.15335052
>>15334043
I wish there were more Nagase lewds
09d11f No.15335080
What… what is it? Why did they hold on this at the end of the trailer? I thought it was excalibur at first but
559351 No.15335101
>>15335080
Anon it's the space elevator…
09d11f No.15335247
>>15335101
No shit but why did they hold on it at the end like it was some grand revelation?
154456 No.15335323
Man, you know what I can't wait for?
FUCKING DENUVO
You can smell it coming from a mile away.
262508 No.15336768
>>15333073
>someone who knows what hes doing
finally jeez
154456 No.15340112
>>15333116
Get to it my man.
b223eb No.15340129
>>15334955
It's just a the cannon that mobius left alone due to it not working at the time. If you look closely it has a giant line of generators slapped onto it.
06b2e0 No.15340514
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>>15333073
>you're the ace pilot in what's basically a foreign legion
Aww yiss.
0efd86 No.15340570
>>15334691
It's better than ASS Horizon, but still not as good as holy trinity or even Skies of Deception.
f4116c No.15340587
>>15340112
I'd say Electrosphere is up there with the Holy Trinitiy, if only it didn't get a gimped Western release
189895 No.15340610
>>15340514
I think Project Aces has always wanted to make an Area 88 video game. Infinity was just a tease with the skins.
0efd86 No.15340630
>>15340587
Here's hoping we'll see some Electrosphere style of progression in AC7.
OSEA FUCK YEAH PATH
>Princess turns into a sex slave prisoner in some Osea's blacksite.
BURN OSEA TO THE GROUND PATH
>Marry Princess so she can be your submissive waifu.
BELKA DID NOTHING WRONG PATH
>FUCKING NUKE EVERYTHING.
154456 No.15340640
>>15340630
>BELKA DID NOTHING WRONG PATH
0efd86 No.15340693
New information from this week's Famitsu from Leddit
>First posted by the leaker Ryokutya, I also just confirmed that this week's magazine issue has a new 4-page long article for AC7.
>The following playable aircraft are shown in the magazine:
> Su-57
> F-16C Fighting Falcon
> F-14D Super Tomcat
> YF-23 Black Widow II
> Gripen E
> MiG-29A Fulcrum
> Su-33 Flanker-D
> F-104C Starfighter
> F-15C Eagle
> F-15E Strike Eagle
> MiG-21 bis Fishbed
>Some emblems are also displayed
> Trigger's personal emblem along with the Three Strikes
> Mage Squadron
> Golem Squadron
> Skeleton Squadron
> Gargoyle Squadron
> Spare Squadron
> 68th Experimental Squadron Sol
> 134th Tactical Fighter SQ Strider
> 123rd Tactical Fighter SQ Cyclops? (I'm a bit unsure if it's 122nd or 123rd)
>And this batch finally reveals the names for some of the characters other than the princess that we've been seeing in the trailers
> Rosa Cossette D'Elise - The attractive princess of the Kingdom of Erusea. Although she was born in a family that's more like commoners, her father became the King of Erusea after a restoration to monarchy post the Continental War, and thus she became a princess.
> Doctor Schrodel (ドクター・シュローデル) - A person who is related with the UAV development in Erusea, he has the typical temperament of a scientist. Erusea managed to reverse Osea's advantage in quantity by launching attacks using UAVs.
> Avril Mead (エイブリル・ミード) - An engineer in the Osean penal base. Due to her skills in restoring numerous aircraft, she received the nickname Scrap Queen. She is an individualist from the core.
> Mihaly A'silaj (ミハイ・ア・シラージ) - An enemy ace pilot under the Erusean experimental squadron. As an absolute ace, he went through numerous battlefields for a long time, and felled powerful people in opposing forces.
>I'm not too sure on how to transliterate Mihaly's name though, so any second opinions are welcome. CMIIW
06b2e0 No.15340719
>>15340610
I would almost expect references to Area 88 at this point.
8cd8f7 No.15341308
>>15340693
Here's my analysis I guess:
>Rosa Cossette D'Elise
>Although she was born in a family that's more like commoners, her father became the King of Erusea after a restoration to monarchy post the Continental War
So there's multiple things to take from this. First, we now have an exact timeline of when Erusea became a kingdom. The facist Erusean government died along with the Supreme Commander in the Siege of Farbanti in 2005. Secondly, we now have confirmation that the princess isn't the unnamed daughter of the Supreme Commander, and the theories that she's the barkeep's daughter just got a lot more fuel.
>Doctor Schrodel
Okay so I'm about 80% sure this guy is going to turn out to be Belkan, especially now that he's confirmed to have a German last name. It's already confirmed that he's not Erusean in the trailers.
>Mihaly A'silaj
>An enemy ace pilot under the Erusean experimental squadron. As an absolute ace, he went through numerous battlefields for a long time, and felled powerful people in opposing forces.
So that confirms that Mihaly is Sol 1, which then begs the question: Is there anyone else in Sol squadron? There was a promotional photo of Mihaly's Su-30SM parked next to a few others, so it's entirely possible. On the other hand, it could be a Butterfly Master kind of setup and he literally IS the entirety of Sol squadron. Also, take note of the name. Mihaly is a Hungarian name, which fits with Erusean naming conventions so far (Central European with the exception of Germany), to me this lends credence to the idea that he's natively Erusean (Yellow 13?) and not Mobius 1 or Pixy. Jury's out on the last name since we don't have an official spelling.
Also
>Su-57
Just so you guys know, cause not many people seem to know this yet, but the Su-57 is gonna be getting the NATO reporting name Frazor. Not sure what the fuck a Frazor is but it sounds pretty cool.
28cc08 No.15341730
>>15340112
>tfw someone saved my chart
a56a15 No.15341887
Okay so apparently there will be TWO Ace Combat 7 flight sticks. One from Hori, and the other from Thrustmaster.
b93c49 No.15342028
>>15341308
>Frazor
Closest thing I can find is the Scottish name of "Fraser" which apparently means strawberry. Don't know what the hell an Su-57 would have in common with a strawberry though.
0efd86 No.15342346
>>15341887
The Hori is going to be PC compatable, thankfully. I'm still hoping the game would be compatable with this.
http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/hotas-warthog
On another note, I hope someone can mod the game so we drop nukes on niggers and jews.
f2acd4 No.15342370
>>15342346
>tfw bought thrustmaster t1600 just for AC7
dc97d2 No.15342412
>>15333116
After what >>15333458 mentioned, you could play 3 (Japanese version) if you want.
0efd86 No.15342448
>>15342370
Hopefully it works with AC7.
f1b2db No.15343187
>>15333116
Welcome, Buddy.
c14195 No.15344165
>>15340610
>Area 88 video game by Project Aces
It's a shame it hasn't happened yet and likely never will.
57d4d6 No.15344409
>>15341887
That's just the same as the £60 one they've been selling for ages.
721b04 No.15344492
>>15321778
Ace Combat juts remind me how much I want a flight sim that looks as good as this.
189895 No.15344590
>>15341308
>So that confirms that Mihaly is Sol 1
Solo Wing Pixy 1
8cd8f7 No.15344647
>>15344492
Honestly, since independently developed games like Project Wingman look almost as good, that might not be a fantasy in the near future.
8cd8f7 No.15344697
Sorry for the doublepost, but I just rewatched the trailer again, and I realized that the guy who says "yet what is a nation?" doesn't seem to be Mihaly, but some other old guy. Maybe Pixy shows up during the Osean revolt and revives A World With no Borders, and we finally get to ELIMINATE BORDERS
b26158 No.15344725
>>15342346
>The Hori is going to be PC compatable
That could be nice if the limited edition pack isn't too fucking insanely priced. There's a lack of low end hotas options for pc. I wonder if it will just be a rehash of the flight stick 4 or if they're making something new.
e82648 No.15344742
Does this mean i should finally play AC6 and AC3 with the patch? They've been sitting in a drawer for years and i already played 4, 5 and Zero.
154456 No.15344812
>>15342370
>tfw I want to get the 1600 for ac7
At the moment I only have this one >>15344409 managed to get it used and it's alright.
After exhausting project wingman I need more dogfighting, what are my options?
721b04 No.15344864
>>15344812
I bought a 1600 a few months back for BMS and have only used it once. I found out I enjoyed pre-flight than actual flight.
154456 No.15345013
>>15344864
Pre-flight? Anon, please, I only got invested in ace games and flying sims just a few months ago, don't put me through the ringer now. What's pre-flight?
882208 No.15345111
>>15342346
Got a Thrustmaster Hotas One for Xbox One (works on PC too) and most likely picking up AC7 for Xbone so I'll be Flight Stick ready when it comes out.
Can't fucking wait, absolutely hyped for this.
0efd86 No.15345124
>>15344725
If there is a way to get it seperately, I'll buy it. Unless the Thrustmaster Warthog is confirmed to work with AC7.
>>15345013
Walk around check of the plane and the pre-flight checklist of doing important tasks and stuff before take off
882208 No.15345142
>>15345013
preflight is basically checking everything and making sure the rudders, flaps, etc. all work before you take off
882208 No.15345276
>tfw dumbass ~10 year old me fell into the trap and did 8492nd in a F-117 Nighthawk
882208 No.15345279
0efd86 No.15345296
>>15345276
>Not fighting the 8492 with Nighthawk or BRRRRRRRRT-Chan
Git gud :^)
882208 No.15345308
>>15345296
Oh I know, went back and doing 8492nd with the A-10 is one of the best experiences in AC5.
Just going in blind, doing it for the first time as a kid not knowing what the F U C K was happening was a hell of a trip
0efd86 No.15345315
>>15345308
And if I remember right, you couldn't save your game before or afterwards for a few missions, which added to the tension.
d9adba No.15345349
>Seven is another pro (((Osean))) propaganda game
>The plot has Erusea defend their territory but are portrayed as the bad guys for it
How much longer do I have to wait until I get a game were we can play as the good guys for a change?
0efd86 No.15345355
>>15345337
Karadžić-kun pls. Big roster is always gud.
>>15345349
>tfw we didn't get this Ace Combat 7
57d4d6 No.15345363
>>15345355
Cant wait for AC7 to pull a
BUT ACTUALLY IT WAS BELKA
on us like 5 did
0efd86 No.15345368
>>15345363
You should read the /aceg/ bible posters over on /vg/ cuckchan.
57d4d6 No.15345383
>>15345368
why would I want to inflict that upon myself?
0efd86 No.15345388
>>15345383
To see the effects of autism?
f1b2db No.15348899
Spoiler. Really.
Trigger’s crime is killing Osea’s ex-president Harling
It’s unknown if he actually did it, if he was framed, or perhaps did it unknowningly/by accident/manipulated into doing it.
b26158 No.15348970
>>15345124
if they're making an official thrust-master stick for AC 7, then odds are good it will use an input system the warthog can use, even if you might have to fiddle with the configuration software a bit. Though god only hopes the control customization screen will be better designed than Assault Horizon's
4148c9 No.15349001
>>15348899
I sure hope AWACS lightens up a bit after you do enough missions. I'm not really into being shat on constantly even though I decimate enemy forces.
57d4d6 No.15349306
>>15349001
Probably not, AWACS Bandog sounds like he is ONLY talking to the Spare Squadron, he might be your handler or something?
Either way I expect him to be full tsun until you shoot him out of the sky when you turn against Osea. "Y-you're just penal units! You don't deserve any better b-baka!"
154456 No.15349663
>>15349306
it would be entertaining if his voice wasn't always on full edge mode.
ba0530 No.15350276
>>15349306
Just wait until Bamco forces ACES to add Idol-AWACS.
63279d No.15350417
>>15349001
Better than everyone constantly sucking your dick like in 5.
882208 No.15350432
>>15332748
Reminder Blaze (you) and Nagase had a daughter together and you see Nagase reading a book to her daughter in the end credits
57d4d6 No.15350461
>>15350276
Infinity added Idolm@ster skins so it's not that much of a stretch.
220c25 No.15350499
>>15340112
Where da fuck AC 3ds
ecda20 No.15350838
>>15350499
You mean assault horizon legacy?
c1ebad No.15350967
c1ebad No.15350995
>>15334955
>There are pilots like you in every generation
>And I felled every last one of them
Blaze Confirmed
220c25 No.15351007
>>15350838
Oh, I missed that, used to the cross rumble cover
882208 No.15351027
>>15350995
Too old to be Blaze
in-universe, AC7 is only 9 years after the events of AC5. (However this means that a Razgriz cameo is absolutely possible as Wardog is only in their late 30's in AC7)
Most popular theory is that it's either Cipher or Yellow 13
154456 No.15351041
>>15351027
Or it could be FUCKING CHOPPER.
8cd8f7 No.15352018
>>15345337
>Acting like shooting down a 1st gen stealth aircraft that was flying the exact same flight path over weeks is a big achievement or a refutation of stealth tactics
Eastern Europeans, everybody.
>>15351027
Honestly, I don't see how people could think he's anyone but Yellow 13 or just an entirely new character.
950604 No.15352084
>>15327384
How does one use this IPFS link?
b93c49 No.15352573
>>15351041
He's not coming back, anon.
882208 No.15352605
>>15352573
>Ace Combat 7
>Directed by Kazutoki Kono
>and Hideo Kojima
c1ebad No.15352705
>>15351027
>>15352018
So what if he's actually the demon lord?
7b843a No.15352755
>>15352705
suddenly this makes more sense
a46e9d No.15352773
AC 7 protag will be an AI flown plane.
afc377 No.15352795
>>15352773
Except we've seen the pilot in cutscenes already, anon
37165c No.15352910
>>15351027
Cipher isn't entirely implausible, but I think Phoenix/Scarface One is more likely given the fact that he actually lives somewhere in Usea and the fact that Mihaly has a huge scar on his face. Any other character is out of the question because they're all either too young or have established names and faces.
808d86 No.15352947
>>15352910
Also I think they'd like to bookend Scarface's story a bit considering 7 was supposed to help celebrate the 20th anniversary of the series.
8cd8f7 No.15353006
>>15352910
>>15352947
Having him be Scarface 1 would also be a great way to make him relevant and known again, as AC1 is probably the least well-known entry in the series. This could be used to pave the way for an AHL-style reimagining of AC1 or even a series remaster.
269e52 No.15353708
>>15333073
>That hangar theme.
Holy shit is that slick as hell.
ed6b9b No.15353885
>>15352705
The ending of that trailer sure makes me think that we'll get glorious jousting again at the very least.
a56a15 No.15355143
Part of a new interview with Kono on 4Gamer. AC3 is confirmed canon, among other things:
https://www.4gamer.net/games/369/G036985/20180824074/
4Gamer: We could confirm things like multi-launch missiles, railguns, and lasers. But are these going to depend on the aircraft [chosen] just like before, not through aircraft customizations?
Kono: Special weapons depend on the aircraft. For customization, we will publish information on it at a later date, but we're thinking of it as a separate feature. I hope people will be playing it like "using this aircraft and weapon to clear this mission" because we're not making it like "one aircraft can solve everything".
4Gamer: Other than science fiction-like weapons, we're also surprised that the MiG-21 has gun pods on both its wings.
Kono: This part may contradict my previous statement just now, but if we stayed too close to the [real life] aircraft images, it would end up getting difficult to clear missions with old aircraft like MiG-21. When we wondered if we could give some kind of advantage, we decided to allow such customizations.
[…]
4Gamer: Please tell us why are you including Ace Combat 3: Electrosphere into the canon history.
Shimomoto (ACE7 producer Manabu Shimomoto): We hadn't said it officially until now, but the worlds in the mainline series titles have been loosely connected. Since this is the first numbered title after 11 years, I personally would like to properly tell about "Ace Combat's world [read: Strangereal]" so I had a thorough discussion with the team on "how far should we put things into canon". Some of the veteran dev staff members who have been working for a long time joined this team because they admired Ace Combat 3, so of course we would talk about it. Considering how Ace Combat 7 takes place in 2019, Ace Combat 3 taking place in 2040 wouldn't seem too far away. When we were thinking if we could make a connection between them, we ended up with "Let's put this [Ace Combat 3] into the canon history".
Other than the above points,
>Kono noted how Kentaro Seki, a well-known photographer & writer about military affairs in Japan, commented "The way Ace Combat operates UAV is the right way to be actually implemented in the future"
>The black fictional aircraft at the end of the trailer is shown because Kono wants to put in a 'service shot' to remind people that this is a legit numbered Ace Combat game
>The team plans to publish reading material content for deeper understanding of the Strangereal history in the official website
>Ace Combat 7 confirmed will have a playable demo & new information at Tokyo Game Show 2018
d2b9e0 No.15355194
a56a15 No.15355545
>>15355194
ADIOS, YOU DAMN FOOL
189895 No.15355746
>>15355143
>>The team plans to publish reading material content for deeper understanding of the Strangereal history in the official website
Oh cool, more historical shit like Aces at War?
d9adba No.15355883
I wonder if we will get any crossover with Skies of Deception, both games take place at the exact same time.
a56a15 No.15356020
>>15355746
Seems like it. Hopefully it'll actually get translated this time.
>>15355883
I wonder if they'll tie in the conflict there to make this Osean-Erusean conflict turn into a world war. This latest trailer really has me thinking that this conflict won't just stay between Osea and Erusea. Bar that I could still see a little easter egg or something alluding to it.
8cd8f7 No.15357515
>>15355143
>it would end up getting difficult to clear missions with old aircraft like MiG-21
I like how at this point older aircraft not sucking hot shit in modern air combat is getting unrealistic even by Strangereal standards. Out with the old, in with the new. Wonderful. Now ditch the A-10 and give me the A-29.
To put into perspective how old these aircraft are getting, The F-22 has been around for ~21 years now. That's older than the F-16 was (18) when Ace Combat first released in arcades in 1992. Just let that sink in.
94bfb9 No.15357637
>>15350995
>>15351027
>>15352705
>>15352910
>>15352947
>>15353006
If the theory is true, it might be Cipher. He's the only one out of the bunch who didn't fight for a country, justice, or anything strictly goody-two-shoes. He was a mercenary with no restrictions on who to fight or kill anyone from any country. The Gauntlet mission from Zero supports this fact, as he even shoots down Mobius at the end, canon or not.
Mihaly is a Hungarian name which means "he who is like God". Guess who was the one guy who wanted to be like God in the bible? A hint: He's the Lord of the Demons.
Here's a stretch because why not: In the trailers, Mihaly is seen using a breathing through a ventilator, indicating some sort of respiratory issue. In ACZ's Valley of Kings mission, you can hear Cipher's heavy breathing.
Can't be Yellow 13 because he's fucking dead what the fuck people Scarface is also a very valid contender but either way, it's probably just an entirely new character.
8cd8f7 No.15357782
>>15357637
>it might be Cipher
This is the wrong continent for that though.
>Can't be Yellow 13 because he's fucking dead what the fuck people
Body was never found. We really can't say definitively one way or another.
>Scarface is also a very valid contender
Did you mean: by far the most likely former protagonist to be in this game besides Razgriz squadron?
7b843a No.15358007
>>15357782
>This is the wrong continent for that though.
Doesn't he say something like "my homeland, but it feels so far away now" in one of the trailers?
8cd8f7 No.15358046
>>15358007
Mihaly doesn't say that, that was the Belkan scientist.
b0b2f3 No.15358095
>>15334096
Either Trigger attempted to kill an Ex-President, or is being framed for it. Now in the penal squad Trigger has 3 lines of sin indicating a crime and punishment of the highest order.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKzCNRk42NA
189895 No.15358320
>>15358095
What makes you think the 3 lines is the most there are? Or the most Trigger will get?
94bfb9 No.15358515
>>15357782
>This is the wrong continent for that though.
Mercenaries aren't stuck to one continent you know.
Blackwater is an american company and most of their business is overseas for example.
>Body was never found.
Mobius One fucking blew him up at the end of the game Anon. No parachute was seen, only Yellow 4's handkerchief remained.
>by far the most likely former protagonist
I say he's rather valid but not the most valid because Air Combat/AC2 were retconned into canon way later, and Scarface never really had any actual character attributed to him compared to other ace protags.
b0b2f3 No.15358609
>>15358320
they make a big deal out of 3, it's porbably like a strike system
136b55 No.15358696
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
mfw Guile flies an Eagle even though it's a Falcon/Viper in his stage.
Flying jets ain't cheap. So flying even outdated F-4s is a expensive endeavour. It's not like it's a $50 Ak-47…
iirc F-16 has a $10 000/flight hour cost while a twin jet F-15 is twice that…
189895 No.15358745
>>15358696
Anon, all the planes in Ace Combat are implied to be autonomously produced and there are spare parts out the wazoo. Production and maintenance costs are probably a fraction of how they are in real life.
8cd8f7 No.15358911
>>15358696
>iirc F-16 has a $10 000/flight hour cost
Dude the F-16 isn't even close to that. The F-16C/D costs between $22,000-$24,000 per-flight-hour. Newer variants cost even more.
0efd86 No.15359375
https://www.4gamer.net/games/369/G036985/20180824074/
Partial translation from Leddit.
Here's a partial translation of interesting parts in the 4Gamer interview
4Gamer: We could confirm things like multi-launch missiles, railguns, and lasers. But are these going to depend on the aircraft [chosen] just like before, not through aircraft customizations?
Kono: Special weapons depend on the aircraft. For customization, we will publish information on it at a later date, but we're thinking of it as a separate feature. I hope people will be playing it like "using this aircraft and weapon to clear this mission" because we're not making it like "one aircraft can solve everything".
4Gamer: Other than science fiction-like weapons, we're also surprised that the MiG-21 has gun pods on both its wings.
Kono: This part may contradict my previous statement just now, but if we stayed too close to the [real life] aircraft images, it would end up getting difficult to clear missions with old aircraft like MiG-21. When we wondered if we could give some kind of advantage, we decided to allow such customizations.
[…]
4Gamer: Please tell us why are you including Ace Combat 3: Electrosphere into the canon history.
Shimomoto (ACE7 producer Manabu Shimomoto): We hadn't said it officially until now, but the worlds in the mainline series titles have been loosely connected. Since this is the first numbered title after 11 years, I personally would like to properly tell about "Ace Combat's world [read: Strangereal]" so I had a thorough discussion with the team on "how far should we put things into canon". Some of the veteran dev staff members who have been working for a long time joined this team because they admired Ace Combat 3, so of course we would talk about it. Considering how Ace Combat 7 takes place in 2019, Ace Combat 3 taking place in 2040 wouldn't seem too far away. When we were thinking if we could make a connection between them, we ended up with "Let's put this [Ace Combat 3] into the canon history".
Other than the above points,
- Kono noted how Kentaro Seki, a well-known photographer & writer about military affairs in Japan, commented "The way Ace Combat operates UAV is the right way to be actually implemented in the future"
- The black fictional aircraft at the end of the trailer is shown because Kono wants to put in a 'service shot' to remind people that this is a legit numbered Ace Combat game
- The team plans to publish reading material content for deeper understanding of the Strangereal history in the official website
- Ace Combat 7 confirmed will have a playable demo & new information at Tokyo Game Show 2018
Tokyo Game Show 2018: Wednesday, September 19 - Sunday, September 23
8cd8f7 No.15360231
>>15359375
Already posted, buddy >>15355143
Read the thread.
ecda20 No.15361039
>>15357782
At the end of Zero we see pixy faffing around in Usea.
So Cipher being on another continent almost 25 years later isn't that impossible.
57d4d6 No.15361185
>>15357637
>>15361039
If I'm right in assuming the game takes place in Strangereal 2019 then Pixy would be canonically 52.
This guy looks WAAY too old to be 52.
This also would rule out Cipher. We can assume Cipher is younger than Pixy, Pixy already had a reputation in the buisness whereas Cipher did not.
I think it will be some new random character.
29683d No.15361638
So…any way to play ace combat 6 on PC?
813458 No.15361692
7d50af No.15361699
8cd8f7 No.15362036
>>15361699
Most people will tell you either 04, 5, or Zero. Personally, my favorite is Zero.
Zero > 5 > 04
59a359 No.15362275
>>15358609
Yes but what if we are able to get more sin lines
d5dd88 No.15362324
Does anyone have that “How to get into Ace Combat” picture? I’ve been wanting to play Ace combat for awhile but I never really know how or where to start.
f1941b No.15362379
>>15361699
4 if you want to feel like god.
5 if you like anime.
0 if you love borders and mega weapons.
782880 No.15362388
>>15361699
The one where Belka did nothing wrong, which is never.
ecda20 No.15362496
>>15362324
Get a ps2 emulator and play 4, 5 and Zero.
Then if you're feeling really brave, play the translated Japanese version for 3.
If you want to go the extra mile, do webm related.
b93c49 No.15362547
>>15361185
Shouldn't rule out the possibility that someone might appear more aged up than they actually are due to stress and being in war. While Pixy still looked relatively young in the interview videos (though who knows what else he got into after that), it could apply for Cipher at least.
51584f No.15367674
>>15361039
Well sure, but Pixy was there because he joined the ISAF, Cipher seems to not have since he couldn't be tracked down. For all we know after the war he could have hooked up with Espada 2 and retired somewhere in South Belka
>>15361185
>>15362547
Once again, he appears to be the right age to be Scarface
94bfb9 No.15368240
>>15367674
>>15361185
The Belkan war is canonically the first modern conflict in Strangereal with jets. Cipher was the first player-controlled Ace in the lore. Scarface 1's actions in AC1 and AC2 take place after that.
Belkan War (ACZ): March 1995 to December 1995 (Cipher was already hired by 1994)
Skully Islands Insurrection (AC1): Late 1995 to early 1996
Usean coup d'état (AC2) = 1998
Both Cipher and Scarface 1 are mercenaries, and are considered Top Guns, but the catch is that Scarface is still sent on minor early missions to test his operational capabilities. Meanwhile, Cipher was sent to stop Belka from taking over Ustion as his first mission right away, with no one doubting his skill (Ustio base command explicitly told Pixy to obey Cipher's orders from the very beginning). This indicates that Cipher's not only older but also more experienced, as he was already working as a merc before the mercenary Scarface squadron was formed when the Skully Islands Insurrection began.
And to be honest, Cipher is the least remembered Ace, and yet he's statistically downed more Aces and destroyed more superweapons than anyone else in the whole franchise, not to mention he single-handedly ended the Belkan War. Even Scarface was given more love when they made Assault Horizon Legacy. Old man Cipher deserves better.
>>15361185
Actual age and apparent age aren't directly proportional though. People can look older or younger than what they actually are due to things like stress or genes.
1ed439 No.15368246
3 had the best physics by far, fight me you energyless casuals.
94bfb9 No.15368262
>>15368246
Turning and stalling in AC3 are a major pain in the ass though.
daf5a5 No.15368362
1ed439 No.15368659
>>15368262
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Stick to the games where all you do is hold the left analog stick down and press the circle button twice every time you hear tone, god forbid you have to learn some basic energy management.
b93c49 No.15369398
>>15368659
Wow anon I wish I was as good at video games as you!
If you wanna sound like an elitist cunt then go play DCS faggot.
57d4d6 No.15369433
>>15368240
So you are saying that Pixy has a degenerative disease that makes him look 80 when hes 50 similar to that of Solid Snake?
I don't think even Bamco are that stupid.
94bfb9 No.15369505
>>15369433
Solid Snake is a clone with accelerated aging, but that does not mean a person can't look older way older than they are. This ain't some metal gear solid bullshit, it's actually pretty common in human biology. Have you really never witnessed or heard of this?
94bfb9 No.15369524
>>15368659
Planes aren't supposed to control like flying bricks. There's a reason why there are worlds of difference in physics between 3 and 5/Zero. It's called improving the gameplay. Stop trying to blow an arcade-style game out of proportion, you pretentious moron.
That said barring aircraft control, AC3 is pretty good in terms of physics.
51584f No.15370230
>>15368240
>The Belkan war is canonically the first modern conflict in Strangereal with jets.
What? That can't possibly be right. Strangereal is known to be at least 1-2 decades ahead of the real world in terms of technology (The Belkan Air Force was officially created in 1905, for instance), has a fuckload of wars to spur on its military industrial complex, and yet somehow the first jet-age conflict was in 1995?! In 1995 Strangereal already had the F-22 and F-35, and others like the F-104 had fallen out of use, so jets MUST have been around for a while at that point. In the real world, jet technology gained acceptance in the 40s and came into its own by the 60s, and we know that Belka was in an unknown conflict in the 40s, so that was probably their first jet age conflict.
49b20d No.15370333
>>15370230
>>15368240
The first known conflict featuring jets in Strangereal is the Rectan Conflict between Belka and Recta in 70s. That was when Silber Squadron broke the stalemate between Belka and the Rectan Liberation Front and won the war, according to the wiki its in Aces at War on pg 134-135. They probably had jets earlier but this is the first known conflict.
51584f No.15370355
Hey has anyone else noticed the tattoo on Avril's shoulder is the dove from A Blue Dove for the Princess? Like, the book Nagase was obsessed with, the book chronicling the legend of the Razgriz?
>>15370333
Fair enough.
57d4d6 No.15370395
>>15369505
I've heard of Progeria but people affected with that die after 20 years and look like ET in the meantime.
Never heard of people being 50 and looking 80.
49b20d No.15371759
>>15340112
>Ace Combat 3D is good tier but Ace Combat X is in decent
Ace Combat X is better than 3D as a mobile Ace Combat because it actually plays like an Ace Combat game. 3D adds the horrible maneuvering system from Assault Horizon and while not as QTE ridden as the main game, its still balanced around it. I tried playing it turning off the maneuvers and enemies could still roll to evade and it made the boss squadrons hell to deal with.
Also the plane handling was wonky, if you were in the F16 it was stall city for you. And Ace Combat X also features a load of unique planes in it's roster that are exclusive to it and nothing else.
2fcb39 No.15371811
Why are airfighter pilots obsessed with questioning borders and nations? I have a feeling the Strangereal armies probably have less philosophical wishy washy bullshit soldiers in their ranks
fa2f67 No.15372263
I'm a complete newfag to the series and PS2 emulation. Wat do? What emulator do I use and where do I get the roms? I want to play 4,5 and Zero while I wait because I'm burnt out on Elite.
>>15345111
>>15344409
>>15341887
The ThrustmasterX is a good stick. I used one for like a year of playing Elite. I gave mine to a friend when I upgraded to the T16000m FCS combo. He's still using it.
Don't forget to mess with the knob on the bottom of the unit that adjusts spring tension.
37165c No.15372465
>>15371759
ACX is really underrated. I'd actually consider it on par with the Holy Trinity:
>best music
>best flight physics
>best superplanes
>best plane customization
>best mission variety (aside from that fucking jammer)
>some of the best bosses
>extremely replayable
Its only real flaw (aside from being on the PSP) is that the plot is very barebones.
f40c4c No.15372556
>>15372263
there only is one PS2 emulator. That's the one you use. Don't get the one from the website but get the newest build instead.
Look online for the isos. Emuparadise is a no-go now.
57d4d6 No.15372606
>>15372263
Cheers for the info, I heard it was plasticy and didn't have enough buttons.
How much better is the T16000m FCS combo, worth the extra £40?
>Wat do?
PCSX2 and Just search PS2 Roms and a load of websites will show up.
>>15372556
Emuparadise only requires you to have an account for Nintendo games, PS2 ones are still up and freely downloadable. Or does the site now log people downloading etc?
f40c4c No.15372611
>>15372606
Go actually click on a link. When you click on the download link, the actual download will be unavailable.
57d4d6 No.15372619
>>15372611
I gotcha, well that's shitty.
f40c4c No.15372639
>>15372619
Coolroms works but I don't know if they track you or not. I've downloaded several PSX games and PS2 games from them. Obviously with my VPN. I haven't gotten in any trouble yet and haven't encountered any viruses but I don't know enough to verify to 100% that it's safe. Maybe someone else can chime in.
fa2f67 No.15372704
>>15372606
>Plasticy and doesn't have enough buttons
It's true. Those are my main complaints with it for Elite. It's this slick plastic that gets sweaty and it needs more buttons. It's got enough for AC if it's a console game though.
>How much better is the T16k combo?
If you think you're going to use it a lot, just jump straight into the combo. The stick is buttery and all the extra buttons come in handy once you get used to using the base buttons.
57d4d6 No.15372781
>>15372704
I play elite as well but atm I just use a PS4 controller been wanting to get a HOTAS for a while but £60 for something that's plasticy and doesn't have enough buttons seems a bit much.
I'm sure the extra buttons come in handy for Elite. How easy was it to set up? Did you have to set up all the commands separately or does it set a default profile on detection like a wheel does?
Have you tried it on Project Wingman? How well does it work?
51584f No.15373639
>>15372263
Get the latest build of PCSX2 here: https://buildbot.orphis.net/pcsx2/
You can easily find ISOs of the holy trinity on any torrenting site.
>>15371811
It's probably the same reason why astronauts question the same things. It's a known psychological phenomena called the "overview effect". In fact, Pixy spelled it out for you pretty clearly: "There's not much difference between these countries from up here"
To give a real-world example, here's a quote from F-86 pilot and Apollo 9 Astronaut Rusty Schweickart:
>“When you go around the Earth in an hour and a half, you begin to recognize that your identity is with that whole thing. That makes a change… it comes through to you so powerfully that you’re the sensing element for Man.”
You're right though that the average footsoldier in a Strangereal or IRL army probably wouldn't (and don't) have the same outlook. Probably because they generally have the same potential for existential thought as a rock.
1d0914 No.15375242
New interview with Kono from Dengeki. Nothing new but still interesting:
dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/788/1788769/
Dengeki: You said in a previous interview that you will not end the story in a simple way. Did you manage to do that without veering off?
Kono: We're not veering off from that. It's also the case with the Skies Unknown subtitle, and in the Japanese version we added a catchphrase "Wish, salvation, pain, fear, the sky does not connect into one".
This game has a message that a single truth may be [perceived] differently depending on the recipient. Only the same war is happening in that sky, but the people who get involved there all have different emotions. Those are the "Wish, salvation, pain, and fear". Even though the sky is said to connect into one, it's not exactly the case as it's also the sky that the player has to face.
The story will move on until the point where it can't be ended with things like rewarding good and punishing evil.
Dengeki: Approximately how many characters will be involved in the story?
Kono: There are about 5 to 6 main characters, so there aren't really that many characters that are related to the core of the story. However, since the protagonist will get frequently transferred to other squadrons, the member lineup will change, and so will the ambience.
Dengeki: How's the current development progress?
Kono: I think it's okay to say that the current progress is at 95%, but I also think the last 5% of finishing touches may also be the 5% that will affect the ratings. So we cannot bog down yet.
There are members who are polishing presentations, adjusting the feel, adjusting the radio chatter, and even adjusting the online [features]. It's the last spurt.
Dengeki: Are there anything else that you want to appeal for but haven't been conveyed yet?
Kono: We're setting the frontage to be easy to be played, but we're also preparing Post Stall Maneuvers that can be used by experts to do cool controls. It's also related to the depth, so please kindly try this challenge. We want to please people who like jet fighters since Ace Combat has made it this far.
And then, the VR content. We produced it with a thorough fixation on the first-person view. We put it here as a presentation for "One of the possibilities for the future of Ace Combat" to the customers. I'd like to thank the engineers for making this almost-fourfold processing close enough to the [main] campaign. Although the roots are the same, I hope you can check in advance the possibility of Ace Combat going towards a different destination.
Ah, and as for the target point for this game, we're assuming it to fall somewhere in the middle of 4 & 5. Actually, Director Katabuchi, who is handling the scenario here, also wants to put the ambience between 4 & 5. I personally would like the content scale to be not as large as the intercontinental war in 5, but not a small war between a single country and independent forces like in 4 either… I wanted to have a good point of compromise in the settings and game values to produce good quality. I feel like we're able to achieve that as a result.
c73a17 No.15375582
>>15333116
Get a used ps2 and play 4, 5 and Zero.
>hell never even played a flight sim
It's not a flight sim.
>>15361185
Dude I have 2 guys in my HVAC class that look just as old as him, totally gray hair and they are 42 and 55 respectively. Doing hard work all your life ages you FAST.
>>15361699
Zero for me.
49b20d No.15375771
>>15375582
inb4 Erusean chick's grandpa is Sol 1
e98e8c No.15377828
>>15375582
>Get a used ps2
why?
57d4d6 No.15377862
>>15377828
AC4 doesn't work well on emulators
daf5a5 No.15377891
>>15377862
Works fine but you gotta either be in 1st person or cockpit.
daf5a5 No.15377986
>>15377961
Well then I guess you'll just have to find yourself a ps2.
daf5a5 No.15378187
>>15378059
Then pucker up and play the game on first person. Honestly after doing that to 4 I couldn't play any of the other games on any other camera.
e98e8c No.15378234
>>15378187
I think you really missing something here and its starting to make me sad.
daf5a5 No.15378291
>>15378234
I don't really care my friend.
51584f No.15383750
Looks like this thread needs a bump. Bamfin with new screenshots and concept art from Dualshockers
https://www.dualshockers.com/ace-combat-7-squadron-emblems/
51584f No.15383762
>>15383756
Also we got high quality and quite exploitable images of the three strikes and squadron patches
51584f No.15383774
>>15383764
Now time for planes
51584f No.15383785
>>15383784
MiG-31 confirmed, by the way
51584f No.15383802
>>15383800
Here's the last of what I think is new
b93c49 No.15384867
>>15383762
>Skeleton Squadron is simply a skeleton ready to kick some ass
Hell yeah.
ecda20 No.15386287
>>15383762
>Angry skeleton in a green and purple motif
What did they mean by this?
2c0da0 No.15386613
>>15383756
>2nd image
So are we seriously not going to talk about the glaring reference to A Blue Dove for the Princess? I honestly feel like we're going to have more than a few references to the Ghosts of Razgriz in this game, especially with the writer being the same one as in AC5.
6c87dc No.15387023
>>15383762
>Skeleton Squadron
I can hear the trumpet edits already. Really though, I like the mythological approach some of these squadron names have.
d9adba No.15387029
>>15383762
>That skeleton patch
Thanks doc.
b93c49 No.15394430
Decided to start a new Ace Combat X playthrough, since X and 7 will seem to be close in the timeline and might even have some stealth nods to each other. Has gotten me kind of hoping that 7 will end up having aircraft tuning and being able to choose what missions to do in a route, with certain routes having consequences, something that X does. Reminds me of Freedom Fighters more than anything else funnily enough, where at certain points you could do objectives in one area and it would affect another, like blowing up a bridge would cut off reinforcements to the next zone.
94bfb9 No.15395423
>>15386613
Kono did say we're going to hear some familiar names in the game.
a6dc31 No.15395895
>>15395423
We already heard Harling, we'll probably hear about Razgriz and Yellow Squadron. We might even hear BELKA
d9adba No.15395949
>>15394430
>Since X and 7 will seem to be close in the timeline
They do, 7 starts in 2019 while X takes place in 2020.
b93c49 No.15396398
>>15395895
>We might even hear BELKA
Belka will show up somehow even if it isn't a factor in the main story, if the one Belkan ace in 6 is anything to go by. Though I guess technically he helped in making a superweapon in that game, which is a fairly Belka thing to do.
49b20d No.15396725
>>15396398
I bet that Dr. Schrodel/Schroeder is Belkan, in the trailers he said he lost a country, and he is developing AI/UAVs which is also Belkan in origin.
51584f No.15397118
>>15387029
>>15387023
Quick edit. If anyone wants to improve on it I can post the .psd file too
b4794a No.15398488
>>15383764
Second pic 68 experimental squadron Sol emblem looks just like yellow squadron emblem
0fb917 No.15398715
>>15398488
Holy shit yeah they're incredibly similar.
57d4d6 No.15399280
>>15383762
>skeleton
that looks badass
>trigger
BANG BANG BANG
>3 strikes
don't see how this could be made a patch tbh, will be interesting to see whether strangerealpatches can make that
>mage
wasn't that in zero? or am I thinking of Sorcerer or Wizard?
>golem
kick ass tribal tattoo
>>15383764
>spare
minimal effort, kinda fits with the fact they are slaves of war
>68th
>>15398488
>>15398715
agreed
>Strider
I don't know why but i feel like I've seen that colour scheme before.
>Cyclops
Giantess fetish
>Gargoyle
<red and black
Shadow is that you?
100% will be full of Edgy cunts.
ecda20 No.15399977
>>15399280
>100% will be full of Edgy cunts.
And flying Su-47's.
51584f No.15402142
>>15399977
The Su-47 will forever be the favorite plane of those edgy kids who'd make quake maps of their high school and drive a Dodge Neon. They'll try as hard as they can to be cool and badass but they'll always come short. Just like the Su-47 will try as hard as it wants but it'll never be a true 5th gen fighter or enter production.
94bfb9 No.15402290
>>15399977
>SU-47
>Edgy
That's the GAF-1. Seriously, go take a look at it, it can virtually teleport behind you.
SU-47 is the hammer of justice you call upon when you want to dodge everything and wreck enemy Aces without cheap EZ QAAMs or superplanes.
>>15402142
>Just like the Su-47 will try as hard as it wants but it'll never be a true 5th gen fighter or enter production.
It was a demonstrator, and even though it wasn't really meant to go into production, it performed so well it ALMOST did. It was only stopped due to maintenance costs in the event of combat damage.
ce3285 No.15402388
>>15402142
>>15402290
Add newer flutter suppression technology to the 47 and it becomes viable, possibly superior to competitors.
94bfb9 No.15402412
>>15402388
It pains me how close the SU-47 came to being adopted and produced. It could directly challenge the F-22 in flight and combat capabilities, stat by stat, even surpassing the Raptor in some of them.
ce3285 No.15402422
>>15402412
And it's just so damn pretty, too. You know a good place to see that stat comparison or learn about its history that you've been mentioning?
6c87dc No.15402438
>>15402412
>>15402290
>>15402388
The Su-47 is easily my favorite plane. Both in Ace Combat fuck those SAAMs though, give me QAAM or at least XMAA and real life. Still, I don't know much about planes outside of their maneuvers and I argued with a coworker today about this.
Why didn't it enter production? Maintenance costs are high sure, but wouldn't that be the case for any other jet as well? Only thing I could think of would be its instability at fast speeds due to the forward-swept wings, but newer technology could help with that. I just see no reason to keep it out, nor can I see it being worse than the Raptor like my coworker said He's also extremely pro-America so I don't believe anything he says anyway
ce3285 No.15402455
>>15402438
Same question by the way >>15402422
I love this plane but haven't had the time to learn more about it yet.
b93c49 No.15402473
>>15394430
Apparently one of my own hopes for 7 is true after all, with demo players noticing in the hangar menu options to purchase/upgrade parts like in X, along with planes and special weapons of course.
>>15402290
To be fair, it wouldn't be Ace Combat if an enemy ace squadron wasn't flying all Su-47s, so of course it'll be associated with some edge. Doesn't stop it from being my flaifu however.
Though I still personally think the Su-57 will also now end up being a part of the "favored by enemy aces" set of planes for 7.
2b4c37 No.15402483
>>15402412
even if it was made viable, the military and fighter pilots would reject it because the forward-swept wings is too different and not traditional looking enough
ce3285 No.15402487
>>15402483
>the military and fighter pilots would reject it because the forward-swept wings
That's like saying they would hate SR-71 or B-2 because it looks different. Fact of the matter is, pilots like planes that look cool and handle well.
2b4c37 No.15402499
>>15402487
you wouldn't believe how many potentially useful improvements have been abandoned or refused because some chad fighter jock or bench jockey, who either used to be a chad fighter jock or wanted to be, decided it wasn't manly enough or didn't fit with their cherished image of what a real fighter plane should be like.
ce3285 No.15402513
>>15402499
Oh, I agree on that point, but the 47 is a pretty plane, so I figure it doesn't apply in this instance.
51584f No.15402518
>>15402388
Except you can do without the complexity of flutter suppression and the added weight of structural reinforcement necessary in forward-swept wings and gain the same performance improvements through other means. Not to mention forward-swept wings absolutely do not lend themselves well to 5th gen stealth designs.
>>15402412
In aerobatics, sure, it could definitely match the F-22. But in actual combat what really matters is the electronics, and there's no way in hell that the Su-47 would ever be equivalent to the F-22's avionics suite, especially with all the upgrades coming from the F-35. Hell, I doubt even the Su-57 truly matches it.
>>15402422
It is a pretty plane, I'll give you that.
>>15402438
>I don't know much about planes outside of their maneuvers
I'm studying aerospace engineering right now, so maybe I can help.
>Maintenance costs are high sure, but wouldn't that be the case for any other jet as well?
Maintenance costs are high for all aircraft, but think about it relatively. If it was going into service, it would need to be at least in the ballpark of the Su-27 variants it would be replacing, and the Su-47 would never get that low. There's also difficulty and frequency of maintenance. Forward-swept wings experience much higher bending moments than other wing forms, which means that it needs heavy reinforcement to not fall off when pulling maneuvers even at low speed. This means that you need to thoroughly check the wings to make sure that they aren't cracking or damaged in combat, and if they are a full replacement of the wings may be required. This same thing is what killed the F-22 in the end as well. While it did enter service, it never replaced the F-15 like it was intended to because it was vastly more expensive and intensive to maintain.
As I said before, forward-swept wings haven't been adopted simply because you can gain the same performance improvements without the downsides (heavy, structurally complex, maintenance intensive, terrible for stealth). The Su-47 was a great aircraft, but in the end it's sorta similar to the Honda Prelude Si 4WS: It has really cool design features with legitimately great performance, but the way it gained that performance isn't really the best way to gain those performance improvements.
>He's also extremely pro-America so I don't believe anything he says anyway
COMMIE SCUM GET OUT
2b4c37 No.15402526
Always thought it funny that in 1986 Hasbro made a twin engine fighter plane design loosely based on the X-29, and then several years later, the Russians pushed out a plane design that looks suspiciously close to the gijoe plane. Makes one wonder if there was some toy nerd on the engineering team and what other designs he might have tried to make real. Maybe there's a rejected concept for an A-10 knock off that had VTOL capabilities collecting dust in a Sukhoi office drawer.
94bfb9 No.15402551
>>15402422
SU-47:
>16.70m wingspan
>61.87m² Wing Area
>24,000kg Empty Weight
>35,000kg Maximum Take-off Weight
>25,000kg Loaded Weight
>4,000 litre internal Fuel Tank Capacity
>0.77km per litre Fuel Economy
>Two Perm Aviadvigatel D-30F6 thrust vectoring turboshaft engines, 83.4kN each
>142.2kN Thrust with Afterburner
>2,500kph Maximum Speed
>18,000m Service Ceiling
>3,300km Operational Range
>233m/s Rate of Climb
>360kg/m² Wing Loading
>Higher than 9g Maximum g-force
>1,800km/h Cruise Speed
>35,000.00 lbf Power
>Air-to-Air Missiles: R-77, R-77PD, R-73, K-74
>Air-to-Surface Missiles: X-29T, X-29L, X-59M, X-31P, X-31A, KAB-500, KAB-1500
>Hardpoints: 2 wingtip, 6-8 underwing, 6-4 conformal underfuselage, 14 total
>7,900kg maximum payload
F-22:
>13.56m Wingspan
>78m² Wing area
>19,700kg Empty weight
>38,000kg Maximum take-off weight
>10,000 litre internal Fuel Tank Capacity
>1,775kg Maximum Payload
>0.47 km Fuel Economy
>Mach 2 (~2400kph) Maximum Speed
>2963km Operational Range
>Two F119-PW-100 turbofan engines with two-dimensional thrust vectoring nozzle engine, 155kN each (with two external fuel tanks)
(That's about all the info Lockheed Martin gave out)
The Berkut was pretty head-to-head with the Raptor, and that's while being still just a demonstrator, far from a finished product.
>>15402438
Work started on a tailless canard layout under the designation S-22, but eventually they shifted to a three-surface layout that we'd see on the demonstrator. Structural issues were reportedly to be addressed using unique composite materials the same way Grumman did it with the X-29. Initial design work found the S-22 design was overweight for the requirements, so it was dropped from consideration for the I-90 program.
Sukhoi then continued work on a FSW fighter by carrying the S-22 over to a shipboard fighter program. Taking on the designation S-32, it would take a more recognizable shape. However, it had some notable elements, like inward-canted vertical stabilizers and a single flat two-dimensional thrust vectoring nozzle for the two engines that would also act as a thrust reverser. Preliminary design was completed in 1988, and Sukhoi would pitch the S-32 to the Soviet navy as an "upgrade" for the Su-33. Being heavier than the Su-33, it was not accepted, but it gained enough interest for the Soviet Air Force to approve construction of an FSW demonstrator based off the type.
So that's where we get what became the Su-47. It had some notable changes, like the elimination of the thrust vectoring and straightening out of the vertical tails, but otherwise was apparently very close to the S-32 design. That would explain things like the weapons bays, as the Su-47 clearly was never intended for production as a combat aircraft - the bays were just left over from the quick adaptation of the design for testing.
As for the Su-47's performance, it supposedly was limited in its top speed not by its engines or aerodynamics, but the structures of the wings. Things pointed to it being limited to speeds slower than regular Flankers due to structural concerns. Long story short, in order to counter the structural issue of the wings, Sukhoi would need to make its wings out of composites, which would solve the problem, but would also raise another: Unlike metals, composites have to be fabricated as a whole piece, rather than being made as a bunch of smaller ones built together - if any part of a wing was damaged, they'd have to replace the whole wing, and as you can imagine that wasn't going to do their finances any favors.
And so ended the tale of the best dogfighter that never was…
Advantages:
>Higher lift-to-drag ratio
>Better agility in dogfight situations than any aircraft of its time
>Higher range at subsonic speed
>Improved stall resistance and anti-spin characteristics
>Improved stability at high angles of attack
>Lower minimum flight speed
>Shorter take-off and landing distance
Disadvantages:
<Wings were very fragile and susceptible to spin due to air flow
<In order to counter that, stiffer wings would be required, but those would take away wing flexibility and increase stress it'd take
<Technology is expensive
<Low G limit for pilots limiting its effectiveness (because they couldn't handle its full turning capability, as even the most experienced pilot can barely take 8g and stay awake in flight)
def4a5 No.15402559
>>15402526
There was a toy plane that was suspiciously similar to the SR-71 before it was made public too. If you have enough guys designing enough toys, there's going to be some coincidences.
94bfb9 No.15402567
>>15402518
The SU-47's avionics were kept secret, but a good hint of its capabilities was that it handled its flap/stall systems quite well. In fact I think the only operational prototype Sukhoi ever made never really crashed. Even the F-22 still crashed even after it was finished.
ce3285 No.15402593
>>15402551
Capped.
Thank you very much anon.
51584f No.15402600
>>15402567
I don't doubt that it had great fly-by-wire systems, it would need them for the performance it has. However that would have no bearing on things like sensor fusion that are more important in a modern battlefield.
>>15402551
You're not wrong overall, but
>Unlike metals, composites have to be fabricated as a whole piece
This isn't necessarily true. Both the F-22 and F-35 are made almost entirely out of composites, but the F-35 especially was built to have a ton of access panels to easily access pretty much every system in the plane without having to take large chunks of the plane apart.
94bfb9 No.15402650
>>15402600
>However that would have no bearing on things like sensor fusion that are more important in a modern battlefield.
That concern isn't necessarily tied to a jet's design. Avionics are an entirely independent field to take on for jets really.
>This isn't necessarily true. Both the F-22 and F-35 are made almost entirely out of composites, but the F-35 especially was built to have a ton of access panels to easily access pretty much every system in the plane without having to take large chunks of the plane apart.
I didn't mean composites needing to be one piece. They just needed to be one-piece for the SU-47 because it just had that much stress put in it during flight that a frame with multiple pieces just couldn't handle at the time, and they were stronger whole and with less discordances than split up. Material properties are a pain in the ass like that.
6c87dc No.15402681
>>15402551
>>15402518
Hot damn, thanks anons. You went above and beyond what I could ever hope for. It's still sad to hear such a great plane Was kept to the side, but at least now I know what a legend it could've been.
>COMMIE SCUM GET OUT
I'm in the USAF and it just gets tiring constantly hearing every day about how awesome America is and how we're the best and can never do no wrong and how our planes are the shit and those silly Russians are just copycats who can never do better. My "coworker" is a 100% brainwashed and probably retarded E7. Polite sage for slightly off-topic
94bfb9 No.15402722
And here is the structural problem found by Northtrop Grumman and Sukhoi and how the application of the composites had to be different (whole layers, rather than plates).
Air flowing over any swept wing tends to move spanwise towards the rearmost end of the wing. On a conventional rearward-swept wing, this is outwards towards the tip. But in a forward-swept wing, it is inwards towards the root. As a result, the dangerous tip stall condition of a backwards-swept design becomes a safer and more controllable root stall on a forward swept design. This allows full aileron control despite loss of lift and also means that drag-inducing leading edge slots or other devices are not required.
With the air flowing inwards, wingtip vortices and the accompanying drag are reduced, instead the fuselage acts as a very large wing fence and, since wings are generally larger at the root, this improves lift allowing a smaller wing. As a result maneuverability is improved, especially at high angles of attack.
These were some of advantages which make the forward sweep look as a very attractive choice. However, the aeroelastic divergence issues made it uncommon. In a forward swept wing configuration, the aerodynamic lift produces a twisting force which rotates the wing leading edge upward. This will result in a higher angle of attack, which increases lift, twisting the wing further. This aeroelastic divergence can quickly lead to structural failure. With conventional metallic construction, a torsionally very stiff wing would be required to resist twisting; stiffening the wing adds weight, which may make the design unfeasible. But both the X-29 and SU-47 made use of aeroelastic tailoring in which the anisotropic elastic coupling between bending and twisting of the carbon fiber composite material to address this aeroelastic effect. Rather than using a very stiff wing, which would carry a weight penalty, these planes used laminates which produced coupling between bending and torsion. As lift increases, bending loads force the wing tips to bend upward. Torsion loads attempt to twist the wing to higher angles of attack, but the coupling resists the loads, twisting the leading edge downward reducing wing angle of attack and lift. With lift reduced, the loads are reduced and divergence is avoided.
11ea15 No.15402730
>>15332365
I want to fight for the Queen and Erusea god damn it. They did nothing wrong and I'm tired of playing as the bad guys time and time again.
>>15352018
>shitting on /ourguys/ in serbia
They did good considering most of their hardware was outdated coldwar shit during an internal civil and ethnic war.
>>15369398
>elitist
Where do you think you are?
>>15396398
Honestly if they didn't make Belka kill off so many of their own people for no gain whatsoever, they would have been totally in the right. I don't like the justifications for fighting Erusea or Belka when they got fucked for years prior. Erusea indisputably did nothing wrong though.
51584f No.15402748
>>15402650
>That concern isn't necessarily tied to a jet's design. Avionics are an entirely independent field to take on for jets really.
With the 5th generation that's becoming less and less true. A huge amount and variety of sensors are being integrated into newer fighters these days, to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing aircraft designed around their sensors, similar to how the A-10 was designed around the GAU-8. Already modern sensors are at a point where something like the F-35's DAS would be completely impractical to put into a legacy fighter, just because it requires so many integrated sensors.
>>15402681
>I'm in the USAF and it just gets tiring constantly hearing every day about how awesome America is and how we're the best and can never do no wrong and how our planes are the shit
To be fair, our planes are the bee's titties, but yeah I get your point, fair enough. Sorry for making assumptions. Russians are a lot of things, but they definitely aren't copycats, at least not in aviation. That title is solidly held by China.
704b94 No.15402787
>>15402748
>just because it requires so many integrated sensors.
It's just a more robust camera phone.
2b4c37 No.15402803
>the JASDF adds it's first female fighter pilot
>totally misses a huge propaganda opportunity by not choosing a cuter pilot.
I mean it's not like they're a real military anyway, why not pick someone entirely based on their looks
94bfb9 No.15402807
>>15402748
>seeing aircraft designed around their sensors
Which is a massive mistake. The F-35 (as usual) turned out to have a myopic passive ASQ-239 radar with sub 100km range. Flankers have like 400km detection range what in the ass was BAE thinking.
49b20d No.15402881
>>15402730
The only reason Belka nuked their own territory was to prevent a rape of Berlin scenario out of pure desperation, since they lost Excalibur and most of their military at that point, and 7 nuclear weapons only killed a few thousand people, where just two killed millions in Japan.
I think with AC7 we are gonna side at some point with the Eruseans, they seem to be going full fuck Osea mode, since they are now fielding penal squadrons with POWs and probably fucking Erusea into the dirt, even after Harling's "MUH PEACE" shit in 5. I don't think it's going to end good for either side tbh.
51584f No.15402905
>>15402787
Dude I can tell you it's WAY more complex than that. It's 6 infrared cameras along with a heavy amount of computation to differentiate and track different targets. Not to mention those cameras need to be placed at specific points to give a proper 360 degree view around the aircraft, and need to be properly powered at all times (along with the computer of course). Something like that is absolutely not simple or cheap to retrofit into a legacy aircraft. It would be possible to retrofit it into an F-16 or F-15, for example, but you'd be looking at creating an entirely new variant based around the technology rather than just slapping it into an old F-16C. Something like that would probably go the way of the F-15SE and end up with a unit cost greater than the F-35 while offering inferior capabilities.
>>15402807
Dude, what are you talking about? The F-35's main detecting radar is the AN/APG-81 AESA radar system. The AN/ASQ-239 is its electronic warfare and RWR suite (based on the F-22's AN/ALR-94), which while working in tandem with the AN/APG-81 is capable of some pretty crazy shit, like jamming the F-22's AN/APG-77 AESA radar. With DAS working on top of that, the F-35 has a 360 degree view going out at least 1000Km.
94bfb9 No.15402917
>>15402905
Yeah I realized I confused the two after I posted. I'm tired as fuck.
IIRC the 360 detection hampers its range a lot, both in coverage, resolution, and frequency. Its IRST can only resolve a fighter at about 5km range or some shit.
77e55c No.15402921
>>15402803
Why arnt their F-15 kawaii? wtf! DELETE THIS!
51584f No.15403920
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15402917
Source? There's video of the F-35's EODAS detecting and tracking NASA sounding rockets simulating SAMs from a far greater distance than 5Km (The true distance of this test is classified as far as I know, but it's been said to be in the hundreds of Km). It's also known that the EOTS is capable of resolving and tracking missile and rocket launches out to 1,300Km. Not to mention none of these sensors will ever be working alone on detection, but are doing it in tandem with all the other sensors it has (especially RADAR) to provide the most accurate detection and tracking possible.
aa3a39 No.15404009
>>15403992
>REEEEEEEEEEEE why is the starter planes not just as maneuverable as a late game plane I hate progression REEEEEEEE
You can beat every game with their respective starter planes. He said that all of AC3's control equally stiff, and its true for the most part due to the way their turning angles are stiff because of the ancient sixaxis tech and the engine itself.
You'd know this if you weren't such a fucking sperg.
704b94 No.15404027
>>15402905
>Dude I can tell you it's WAY more complex than that.
A phone's camera is complex to make it work right in such a small scale, and some guy upscaled it and slapped it on to some spy drones and the rest is history.
361743 No.15404067
>>15402412
>It could directly challenge the F-22 in flight and combat capabilities, stat by stat, even surpassing the Raptor in some of them.
Everyone does that these days, the Raptor is a fucking joke especially now that muh Stealth is recognized as the meme it is.
Wasn't the issue with forward swept wings that one couldn't mount any ordnance on them due to flexing and other relaxed stability shenanigans, along with the expensive composite materials used to construct them?
>>15402518
<In aerobatics, sure, it could definitely match the F-22. But in actual combat what really matters is the electronics, and there's no way in hell that the Su-47 would ever be equivalent to the F-22's avionics suite, especially with all the upgrades coming from the F-35. Hell, I doubt even the Su-57 truly matches it.
>equivalent to the F-22's avionics suite
>the same avionics suite that lacks IRST and a JHMCs/HMD in CY+3
<upgrades coming from the F-35
I want Lockheeb shills to leave.
sage for offtopi/k/
53c6cf No.15404211
>>15395949
There better have some references to the Aurelia/Leasath war in 7. I hope we can at least get the Fenrir at some point. Something sounds weird though, you never hear about another war going on in X, even though the guy is a journalist?
11ea15 No.15404717
>>15402803
>japan finally looking to re militarize
>female pilots
Ffs nips!
>>15402881
Scorch earthing your own soil with nukes is Bolshevik-tier. 12,000 dead and lots of fallout, potentially hundreds of thousands of dead in the aftermath. I still want to destroy Osea, they deserve a good thumping.
b93c49 No.15404779
>>15403992
That anon wasn't suggesting anything. All he was doing was bragging like hot shit, you dumbass nugget.
45293a No.15404977
>>15335247
Aerospace combat for the final mission?
>>15344165
=IT'S LIKE PLAYING A VIDEOGAME!=
>>15345259
>In cooperation with the JASDF
Japan trains with videogames confirmed.
>>15351027
>Yellow 13
I remember finding the easiest way to beat the first fight was to come out of the cutscene with your autocannons already firing. It'd hit Yellow 13 less than half a second later.
>>15383756
If these are in-game cutscenes then graphics are getting real nice nowadays. Seems to be peaking just prior to the uncanny vally so it looks realistic enough to recognise but unreal enough to not be uncomfortable.
>>15402473
In b4 you see them early on in the game in SU-47s, but are told to retreat because you're still in a piece of shit, then later you fight and kill one, even further on, they upgrade to SU-57s and proceed to murder everything and it's up to you to stop them.
>>15402803
I think she's pretty cute, plus I hear women tend to make better pilots for several reasons that are possibly half-baked and anecdotal but I've not the time to look it up.
ecda20 No.15405136
>>15404977
>women tend to make better pilots
>better submarine pilots
I fixed it.
e98e8c No.15406100
>>15405136
what did he mean by this?
49b20d No.15407896
Does anyone have the MEGA link for the AC soundtracks in FLAC?
cc03a4 No.15408109
>>15407896
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49b20d No.15408136
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>>15408109
Thanks anon, have some cute aces
51584f No.15408563
>>15402803
I'd impregnate her. For real though she actually does kinda look like Eri from Hisone to Masotan.
>>15404977 (lucky dubs)
>If these are in-game cutscenes then graphics are getting real nice nowadays.
As far as I know the cutscenes are supposed to be rendered in game like in 6. It's kind of crazy to think that nowadays a cutscene rendered in real-time can look better than pre-rendered cutscenes from just over 10 years ago.
>>15404067
>the Raptor is a fucking joke especially now that muh Stealth is recognized as the meme it is.
Dude, the Raptor has its issues (massive cost, avionics being based on an outdated architecture that makes upgrades difficult, etc.) but aerobatic performance and stealth certainly aren't among them. But hey, good job outing yourself as a moron, here's your (you).
>IRST in a dedicated air-superiority fighter
Yeah, okay, and I'm sure the F-35 needed 3D thrust vectoring too. Granted, the lack of a HMD system is embarrassing but block II of the AIM-9X gives it helmetless high off-boresight capability, which at least closes that gap well enough to be acceptable. Sadly, integration of the F-35's Block III HMD or any others likely won't happen simply because the F-22 is just waiting to be retired at this point. The second the Air Force's PCA program 6th gen fighter comes online the Raptor's going out the window.
>>15404211
I'm willing to bet that the Aurelia/Leasath war will either not be mentioned at all, or it'll be retconned into being a part of the lighthouse war in a world war kind of scenario.
5061a9 No.15410870
>>15408141
>>15408136
There are so few lewds available of AC characters
77d1ff No.15413328
Lol why are you buying throttle and sticks for whats basicly war thunder for ps4?
e7ffb7 No.15413364
>>15413328
because using a stick for war thunder was actually fun at some point?
77d1ff No.15413398
>>15413364
Its like buying a wheel and stick shift for mario kart.
57d4d6 No.15413497
>>15413398
You haven't played mario kart on wheel and stick shift??
51584f No.15413512
>>15413398
>Not playing Mario Kart with a wheel and 6-speed manual while blasting eurobeat
Casual detected.
57d4d6 No.15413634
Anyone else play skyrogue?
51584f No.15413643
>>15413634
I have it on PC and switch, though when did it get first-person support?
57d4d6 No.15413653
>>15413643
No idea, that's why I made the webm.
Was messing with the controls, saw the "change view" and found it had cockpit and 1st person, in larger craft like the Orca though you kinda look through the ship when tracking enemies.
361743 No.15413758
>>15408563
>IRST in an air superiority fighter is a meme
<what are planes related
Shill-kun, every half decent air superiority fighter aircraft since the MiG-29 has had IRST capability in some form. It's the only real way to perform radarless BVR combat without some form of support datalink that burgers seem to value so much.
I mean, the fuck is the Raptor gonna do when encountering a Su-57 at 80km distance head on that is picked up by neither RWR nor Radar?
If the stealth meme works as advertised and none of the combatants can see the other on their radar displays then the Su-57 pilot can still whip up his IRST, get a lock and fire a missile leaving the clueless F-22 fugd in the air.
51584f No.15414161
>>15413758
>what are planes related
They're all multirole fighters you dunce. Hence, the F-35 also has IRST.
>every half decent air superiority fighter aircraft since the MiG-29 has had IRST capability in some form.
So the F-15C isn't a good air superiority fighter despite shooting down dozens of IRST-equipped MiG-29s in various wars all over the world without a single loss? Ok that checks out. IRST is by no means some decisive technology that all modern fighters must have like forward-facing X-band radars. It's a great idea, sure, but by no means necessary. Regardless, the F-22 was intentionally designed to retain the space and power overhead for IRST and side-looking radar, so if it's necessary it can be upgraded to have that capability far more easily than just about any other upgrade it could possibly get.
>the fuck is the Raptor gonna do when encountering a Su-57 at 80km distance head on that is picked up by neither RWR nor Radar?
I strongly doubt that a Su-57 would be able to guide a missile purely with IRST from 80Km. Hell, I doubt that a Su-57 wouldn't get picked up by the F-22's radar at that range unless it was flying PERFECTLY head-on. Maybe in perfect conditions (IRST performance is heavily affected by weather, air temperature, altitude, target speed, IR stealth, etc.) it could detect the F-22 at that range, but detecting something and having enough info for positive IFF and missile guidance is something else entirely. On top of this, the F-22's radar (1,956 T/R modules operating at over 10 watts each) is simply objectively more powerful than the Su-57's (1,552 T/R modules on the forward-facing radar operating at ~8 watts), so lets not act like they have equivalent sensor capabilities in that regard. With the Su-57's inferior stealth and its radar limitations, there's no way the F-22 wouldn't detect it first. "But what about the Su-57's L-band radars?" you may ask. For one, the Su-57's L-band output is already severely limited because it relies on passive cooling through the wing structure instead of the liquid cooling that all half-decent radar systems use, but even if it didn't have that limitation it couldn't be used for weapons guidance, only for IFF. The radiation that it's giving off, on the other hand, can be used as guidance for a missile either through the F-22's data-link and/or in the F-35's case through a recently-upgraded AGM-88 HARM, which can now easily home in on and destroy the radiation source even if it's in the air.
Honestly though, the cherry on top to all of this is that this engagement will likely never happen. After all, Russia can only afford to buy 12 of these planes. The F-22 might have had a limited production run, but at least it wasn't that big of an embarrassment. Get fucked slavaboo.
f7bff7 No.15414180
>>15413758
>>15414161
Come on guys, can't we all just be friends and shit on Chinese knock-off planes together?
361743 No.15414443
>>15414161
>They're all multirole fighters you dunce. Hence, the F-35 also has IRST.
Nod an argument, IRST is primarily used for A2A.
>I strongly doubt that a Su-57 would be able to guide a missile purely with IRST from 80Km.
https://defenseissues.net/2015/06/16/airborne-irst-properties-and-performance/
<IRST sensor of Dassault Rafale’s OSF can, at 20.000 ft, detect a subsonic fighter-sized target at 80 km from the front and 130 km from the rear. At low altitude, range from the rear is 110 km, which would indicate frontal range of 68 km. F-22 achieves supercruise speed of Mach 1,72-1,75 at 38.000 ft. Assuming similar increase in range between 20.000 and 40.000 ft, OSF should be able to detect the subsonic F-22 at distance of 90-95 km from the front and 145-155 km from the rear. If F-22 is supercruising at Mach 1,70 and 40.000 ft (about the limit of its supercruise performance at that altitude), range increases to 270-285 km from the front and 435-465 km from the rear.
I expect current age Vodkanigger technology to be of similar sophistication considering that fact it's been some 18 years since the Rafale entered service, also the USAF is coincidentally looking to integrate an IRST sensor into the F-15 as we argue senselessly on an anti-semitic laotian pottery forum.
>IR stealth
Lockheeb pls, you can't cloak friction at high speeds.
>>15414180
Real life COFFIN when?
Newer chinkshit planes would benefit from it aesthetically.
361743 No.15418867
>>15414443
On that note, does Strangereal have a China equivalent country?
So far we've had analogues to Burgers, Germans, Soviets etc. along with their respective aircraft but no Chinks, Koreans or Nips AFAIK.
11ea15 No.15423561
>>15418867
Sounds like a pretty good world if you ask me.
d9adba No.15423711
>>15418867
There must be one, Asian's are in the game so they must have come from somewhere.
b93c49 No.15423971
>>15418867
You can find a cute pilot with a very Chinese sounding name in the more recent demos for 7, so it likely has a country or nationality equivalent, but just isn't prominent.
57d4d6 No.15424175
>>15423561
>world where there is clay not under Belkan possession
>good
but I agree, why would you complain about there being no chinks, gooks or zipperheads in the world?
No niggers either as far as I recall
68c2f8 No.15424243
>>15413634
It’s fun. Feels unfinished and unpolished, but it’s enjoyable for a few hours.
68c2f8 No.15424245
>>15424175
Er… AC5? Captain Snow?
c20705 No.15424324
>>15424245
Perhaps in Strangereal, instead of albinos, the genetic rarity is the nigger?
361743 No.15424340
>>15423711
Nagase is Osean.
Did Osea conquer not-Nippon at some point?
Given its fuckhueg size it wouldn't be surprising for it to have gobbled up large amounts of clay at some point during its history.
94bfb9 No.15424520
>>15424324
Then that'd make whites the niggers of Strangereal. They did start a lot of wars :^)
f1b2db No.15431529
>>15424324
What a wonderful world to live in!
d9adba No.15431790
>>15424340
>Did Osea conquer not-Nippon at some point?
Well (((Osea))) is obsessed with conquering everything under the sun while painting themselves as the victims, wouldn't surprised me if they did.
94bfb9 No.15432459
>>15431365
>mobius 1 dicksucking again
Why do they keep ignoring every other character from past games?
ecda20 No.15432477
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>>15431365
Here's a better one.
4bc641 No.15432481
>>15432459
I'm starting to feel like Ace Combat 4 is becoming the Final Fantasy VII of the series. Like, it's a legit great game, but it's still massively overrated.
df76ca No.15432498
>>15345259
>Lockheeb Moneylaunderin
51584f No.15438585
>>15414443
>IRST is primarily used for A2A
Then you clearly don't see the real potential for the technology. Once again, heavy dependence of weather severely limits its usefulness in the A2A role compared to RADAR.
>that quote
I'll say it again:
DETECTION RANGE IS A VERY DIFFERENT THING THAN ACTUAL FIRING RANGE
All these companies always report their detection and tracking ranges for their IRST systems because they're FAR more impressive than the range at which these systems can actually provide the sole guidance for a missile. Also, this journalist is making some HUGE assumptions in those calculations with absolutely no math to back it up. Posting this as if it's any proof of anything is simply laughable.
And yeah, the air force said they'd "look into it" in 2016, just like how they'd "consider" integrating the Scorpion HMDS into the F-22, fully integrated and tested it, and then dropped the fuck out of that idea.
>you can't cloak friction at high speeds.
>friction heating at typical transonic cruise speeds
Unless the F-22 is flying at its absolute maximum speed, friction heating simply isn't a factor here. Dude, just admit that you're a fucking layman who doesn't know jack shit about aerospace engineering. It's okay to have a certain taste in planes and all that, but don't act like you know better.
>>15418867
Nope, not really. Honestly it's probably just because there haven't been any Chinese aircraft in AC games, and looking at relations between Japan and China there probably never will be. There's no way Shenyang or Chengdu, let alone the Chinese government, would allow PA devs to look around the cockpits and design documents of their aircraft.