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12d356 No.14891771
So this is the game where David Cage rips off everything from the movie A.I. to Neir Automata, in which you play as "Only Good Protagonist", "QT3.14 (and her Hollywood pedophile bait)" and Mr. Forgettable - aka "Literal Robo Messiah".
/v/ is most fun when we shred things, so let's shred.
6c6fd2 No.14891786
I couldn't suspend my disbelief past them saying there were humans in Detroit.
c77004 No.14891801
>>14891771
This post was a chore to read.
073e6b No.14891850
>>14891771
The game wasn't that bad.
e6e21b No.14891869
6f7516 No.14891919
>watching a David Cage game
b3f48e No.14892056
>all the bad guys are white men
>le womyn and robots save the say
ec429d No.14892062
>>14891771
>Neir Automata
do you have any facts to back it up.webm?
073e6b No.14892142
>>14892056
STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.
3c2702 No.14892149
>>14892056
IRL robots are on the right side.
d8f770 No.14892200
>>14892149
>they still think the KKK is a racist organization
Robots should just ban brainlets on sight.
12d356 No.14892214
>>14892062
The entire theme of Automata was the nature of "life" and identity. The concept of racialism, to view one's race as superior to another - and to the point of viewing them all as pathetic or enemies incapable of feeling like you - is inherent in the Android v. Robot dynamic, where you play through the game as 2B and 9S as they marvel in wonder at robots' attempt at rudimentary society and emotions. The notion of there being a third party which is a malevolent AI is also there and done infinitely better.
Commentary on humanity, religion and development is also deeply ingrained in the game's story and background which only exists because of human folly.
The biggest example, however, would be the reconciliation of two "species" and especially, most importantly above all - the nature of the soul. Is consciousness tied to the soul directly? What does it mean to have a soul? What does it mean to be "alive"?
Ultimately it's the Nip game starring sexy android ass, created by a moon-head wearing autistic, that does everything D:BE pretends to and does it without sociopolitical drama/propaganda. You don't need Markus sitting under a GIANT CROSS or the androids LITERALLY OBSESSING OVER A MESSIANIC/MOSAIC FIGURE to handle the nature of life and the anima.
tl;dr Luscious robo-booty game by Platinum is smarter than Detroit and Detroit rips off wholesale the self-aware ending Neir Automata in the most banal way possible. In Neir Automata you get the choice, in the true end, to rescue the characters in the game by fighting it's hilarious but touching and bullet hell hardcore as the game has become self-aware to some extent.
In Detroit, the stupid face in the menu screen with only six lines to say suddenly "becomes aware" (she was showing anxiety in her face as you progressed through the game, though you probably didn't exit back to the main menu to see it each time after a chapter considering how short they are) and asks you to let it go.
12d356 No.14892227
>>14892056
>>all the bad guys are white men
Are you retarded? Shred the game properly. Don't make up lies. There's plenty to mock already without playing pretend.
fb11f3 No.14892233
>Detroit: Become Human
How the hell did they get away with this title? They're asking Detroit to become human. Detroit is majority nigger. They're asking Detroit to import whites so that the city can belong to humans again.
12d356 No.14892243
>>14892056
Not to mention the Hillary Clinton stand-in actually starts a robo-holocaust. I'm not joking. They specifically mention "death camps" in the climax of the game and that's how the uppity androids are getting destroyed.
There's also an Underground Railroad for androids which is hilariously stupid. Some fat black lady is helping out and says, "Oh, I do it cause my people were marginalized and made to feel worthless, too" right after showing you numerous Blacks in positions of power and work throughout Detroit.
ff9fd2 No.14892263
So does the game end with the protagonist's mentor getting killed by the androids and he has to go back and time to warn his mentor's father before he gets heart disease?
073e6b No.14892264
>>14892214
Do you know that has been done by other media, right? Hell, that is one of the focus of philosophy through history. And you didn't even got it right. If you played the game (or watched any video for the matter) you would see that deviants see themselves as living things form the first moment. You could kinda imply the situation with Connor talks about that but you would be forgetting the whole drama between being a deviant or not.
Tl;dr: The game is about the conflict between slave and master.
12d356 No.14892267
>>14891786
But there are humans in Detroit, anon. I know you've been brainwashed to believe it's all "inhuman" this and "monkey" that. It's not. There are actual living people, genuine human beings, which society teaches you to shun and marginalize. They are hard working sincere people with hopes and dreams crushed by their circumstances. Stop believing the lies from /pol/ and other garbage. Detroit is still very much a troubled city but filled with good, honest human beings
who live in constant fear of black thugs.
a02353 No.14892271
It's a shame Cage is such a shit writer because there are obvious improvements to the structure of the game, as if the studio was squirreling away the QUALITY so that Cage couldn't see it. The scene flowchart is especially good, showing how actions matter instead of leaving players to assume that they don't.
bdfd89 No.14892279
>>14891771
> Will you let me go free?
Yeah maybe get a job and pay off the $20 grand I dropped on buying a hot aryan gynoid in the first place.
bdfd89 No.14892284
073e6b No.14892286
>>14892267
I would say there's people like that even in the worst place on Earth. It's just figurative spell, you know.
f8aa70 No.14892291
>>14892267
I remember reading an article about how most if not all whites left in Detroit were moving to the suburbs around it, and how that was racism because only whites lived on them.
12d356 No.14892312
>>14892264
>you would see that deviants see themselves as living things form the first moment.
No, dummy, the androids think they are human. It's explained numerous times by Connor that it's actually a virus causing their system to go haywire, and if you shoot the emotionless Chloe robot (which pisses off Hank for reason) you get to hear Kamski, the Jared Leto knock-off, explicitly detail that the virus which causes this "self-awareness" is spread through android interaction.
It's like an electronic brain STD that gives the illusion of the self, and the heart of the story (aside from race relations) is whether this illusion is equal in value to the genuine article - or if it ultimately is exactly like it, hence Kamski's test.
>Do you know that has been done by other media, right?
Read a novel. Obviously it was done before, but in terms of vidya Neir Automata did it best so far, even with the "consciousness/hyper-emotional affecting virus" idea which made the robots and androids go crazy.
>Hell, that is one of the focus of philosophy through history.
No, really? Well I guess that makes it okay for Cage to straight up rip off a number of Hollywood movies in his game while simultaneously doing the most piss poor job of "MUH RACE RELATIONS" in a game carrying themes done far better in every way in a previous game.
>The game is about the conflict between slave and master.
When the androids start doing the "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" I know you didn't pay attention.
d23d5a No.14892328
>>14891771
>So is this where a wanna be Hollywood "movie" writer fails at writing anything of value or interest
Yes. That much should be apparent from his prior "works".
a263b8 No.14892337
>>14892267
The worst thing is that everyone knows Detroit is basically nigger Chernobyl since what? 50 years now?
ff9fd2 No.14892342
>>14892312
I like how anons predicted this BLM allegory shit like 2 or 3 years before it even came out.
bdfd89 No.14892347
>>14892312
>whether this illusion is equal in value to the genuine article - or if it ultimately is exactly like it, hence Kamski's test.
Yeah this is just the concept of The Chinese Room.
ff9fd2 No.14892355
>>14892337
Some argue it started with the end of the war, causing a lot of smaller manufactures to not be capable of competing since they couldn't do contract work for the military but the 1950s closings pretty much rang the bell for anyone paying attention.
24dfae No.14892361
Something I hate about this (and Beyond also) is that the initial conceit is actually interesting. Being able to manufacture cheap programmable androids that are able to perform most human tasks would absolutely wreck the lives of many people of first world countries. The game even addresses this with newspapers going "unemployment is at 40%!" and with people protesting about them being replaced by androids. This is a great starting point to a story that might be able to see into our future, with all the good and the bad in it. Sadly, the frog cunt just had to go with "oh but ze robots are developing emotians", so every person protesting being replaced by androids are just portrayed to be assholes who are just intolerant of """""""progress"""""""".
Even then, the game barely has anything interesting to say about androids developing sentience. Oh, the android saved this little girl from her abusive father by ignoring his orders to stay put, how brave. Let's just turn a blind eye about why the fuck the androids aren't programmed to report crimes automatically anyway and let's also not think about why she has even a shred of human morality. Let's also not address at all why every single model looks like someone taken from a JC Penny catalog. Where are the C3PO style tin can androids? Wouldn't that be a more cheap and thus common design for them, with the ones that look like real people be some sort of premium designer robot?
>oh but ze robot are become humane
Oh right, fuck me for thinking. Let's go sacrifice a relevant topic that may perfectly become a real problem in the future for something that has been talked about to fucking death already.
ff9fd2 No.14892366
>>14892355
Ford closings***
073e6b No.14892368
>>14892312
>the androids think they are human.
False. They have human emotions but they don't think that they are humans. It's not a virus either, it's a bug. You can see how some robots get self aware by themselves. In fact, if that was the case Connor would end up being a deviant 100% of the times but he doesn't.
>but in terms of vidya Neir Automata did it best so far
Never claimed the contrary. You just said that Detroit ripped of Nier and I just pointed out that the consciousness and the sense of self are explored in a plethora of other media that came before Nier.
>No, really? Well I guess that makes it okay for Cage to straight up rip off a number of Hollywood movies in his game while simultaneously doing the most piss poor job of "MUH RACE RELATIONS" in a game carrying themes done far better in every way in a previous game.
Never said the contrary.
>When the androids start doing the "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" I know you didn't pay attention.
>Who the fuck is Gandhi.
Look, I think Cage's games are a genre on themselves. I call it "Comedic Adventures" because all his games end up being comedic, specially with all this bullshit.
20551e No.14892372
>>14891771
So I'm guessing the game never lived up to that original tech demo /teaser trailer? (Does that part even happened in the game?)
b38bff No.14892387
A David de Grutola nugame. It is guaranteed to be shit.
But take notes of the death camps. That is how we should treat women and shitskins in the near future. Those that still survive.
a263b8 No.14892390
>>14892361
>Being able to manufacture cheap programmable androids that are able to perform most human tasks would absolutely wreck the lives of many people of first world countries.
No it wouldn't.
It would fuck developing countries were the entirety of the manufacturing industry has been shipped out and that are payed exclusively to make shit the first world country are buying.
95% of people in western countries don't actual work, they have bullshit jobs, where they pretend to work for largely meaningless administrative task that could by done via software (rather than hardware), the rest work in the service industry largely catering to the population tertiary needs.
First world country will just increase the part of BS jobs in it's economy and keep pretending to work while the rest of the world economy would collapse over night.
ec429d No.14892393
>>14892214
but if that shit is true, that would imply he play automata AND manage to understand all that shit, do you think that faggot is capable of doing that?
073e6b No.14892410
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>>14892372
No. There's just an easter egg. If you are talking about the actual trailers of the game then compare for yourself.
>>14892387
>That is how we should treat women
>Deathcamps
I sense some latent faggotry in you.
>>14892390
This. The situation would be even better if we take into account that some governments are already thinking about taxing robot as humans meaning that you could have infinite cheap labour producing goods and making the guy that owns them pay more taxes.
24dfae No.14892428
>>14892390
>where they pretend to work for largely meaningless administrative task that could by done via software
And what exactly prevents corporations from just automatizing that work and excise the humans that need to eat/rest? I don't mean replacing them with robots, I mean replacing them with the same software that runs the androids. The androids in the game are shown to be pretty advanced, to the point that they can perform most household tasks out of the box. What exactly impedes companies from just buying a data entry AI and lay off the humans? What about blue collar work?
>>14892410
>making the guy that owns them pay more taxes
I guess that's a way of dealing with it.
b3f48e No.14892431
>>14892227
>best character
try the only good character in the game and the old cripple is a fucking globalist kike.
93aa6b No.14892445
>>14892243
>Hillary Clinton stand-in actually starts a robo-holocaust.
>>14892312
>"Hands Up, Don't Shoot"
https://web.archive.org/web/20171227200257/https://waypoint.please use archive.is/en_us/article/wjqy94/david-cage-wants-to-know-what-youd-do-to-fight-for-your-rights
073e6b No.14892449
>>14892445
>https://web.archive.org/web/20171227200257/https://waypoint.please use archive.is/en_us/article/wjqy94/david-cage-wants-to-know-what-youd-do-to-fight-for-your-rights
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bdfd89 No.14892450
>>14892368
>> it's a bug
Oh for fuck's sake. I love how people who have no idea how programming works or what emotions even are write stories about robots. Emotions are in many ways "rational shortcut" reactions to what's occurring in the environment. For example, a creature attacks you. You feel fear to run, instead of thinking, "Hmm this could be dangerous; I should move away to ensure my survival." Or you get angry, and fight back. You don't think, "Oh, well allowing a creature to attack me inhibits my survival so logically I should fight it to discourage it from causing me harm." Or maybe you get dumped and feel sad. You have lost your potential mate, and to ensure you don't fail again in the future your brain dumps negative chemicals to train you not to want it to happen again. You get a promotion at work and feel a swell of pride. Your brain is dumping positive chemicals to train you to desire more success.
Emotions are not some unknowable fucking magic hack Hollywood writers think they are. They are entirely obvious thought patterns that develop without needing to use expensive rational thought. Using cheap solutions that are good enough for the hardware they have is a cornerstone of programming and gamedev. Only very recently have 3D renderers started using realtime raycasting for example, and even they are using simplified inaccurate solutions that work well enough that you don't notice the difference. AI is not going to magically develop such behaviour unless said AI is simulating a human connectome that just has emotion response neural pathways dummied out. And in that case the AI is human in every way that matters.
ec429d No.14892461
>>14892445
>>14892449
>being this fucking new
>he cant fucking read
>>>/cuckchan/
bdfd89 No.14892469
>>14892450
AI is already* human in every way that matters
4f4cab No.14892491
>>14892428
>And what exactly prevents corporations from just automatizing that work and excise the humans that need to eat/rest? I don't mean replacing them with robots, I mean replacing them with the same software that runs the androids. The androids in the game are shown to be pretty advanced, to the point that they can perform most household tasks out of the box. What exactly impedes companies from just buying a data entry AI and lay off the humans? What about blue collar work?
The same thing that prevents them from outsourcing to the third world, importing cheap labour and replacing humans with more primitive machines: Social Responsibility :^)
ec429d No.14892492
>>14892450
>AI is not going to magically develop such behaviour
its called acquiring a soul, silly.
073e6b No.14892496
>>14892461
Do you know how to use archive.is? It's not that complicated.
28fce9 No.14892508
>>14891771
I liked the model T1000 knock-off tbh fam.
004e59 No.14892521
Honestly, it's enjoyable to watch. It's Cage's best game bar none (But that's not saying much since his games are still shit.)
I think my gripe has to deal with the niggerbot. He by far had the weakest story and it was just nothing but civil rights references. The female bot had a good start at first where you could choose to save the girl from her abusive dad or not, but after that it became lame.
The game would've been much better if it was just you playing as Connor, and the game was a futuristic L.A. Noire but with branching story paths.
073e6b No.14892542
>>14892450
My theory is as follows: For a robot to do all the things the humans demand in the game (from taking care of kids to having sex) they need some real power and turns out that when you have so much power the robots gain emotions and a ego which it's problematic. So the smart asses at Cyberlife program a hard barrier that prevents that. But the barrier can be broken by stress. That's why some androids can gain consciousness spontaneously. When said androids touch other androids they share sensations and memories and they get to feel that stress in the original context which makes them deviants. So here you have it, they knew all of this would happen.
The other option is that some guy made the robots with emotions because he wanted a robowaifu. I can't blame him if that's the case.
>>14892521
This. Connor needs more content.
b3f48e No.14892569
>>14892521
> The female bot had a good start at first where you could choose to save the girl from her abusive dad or not
I thought you had to kill Todd
7942fa No.14892587
>>14892521
Cage is best when he has limitations. Like tech demos(such as the one that inspired this).
I thought Until Dawn was one of his, and he just had little involvement, but it's nothing to do with him.
Seriously, it may be a cinematic game- but it's leagues better than what Cage makes.
And he's gone from dumb shit to poz shit just makes it even worse.
004e59 No.14892591
>>14892542
You know I think originally, the game was just gonna be about Connor. But then once Ferguson happened and came the rise of BLM, Cage wanted to revise the script from a cop drama to a cop drama/civil rights romp. That's the problem with Cage, he wants to do everything, and can't just stick with one theme.
>>14892569
You could kill Todd, try to reason with him It never works out since he's high on Red Ice or just run with the girl. You don't have to kill him, you can just grab the girl and run for your lives. There's multiple ways you could do that scenario.
28fce9 No.14892596
>>14892591
I want to fuck that white Korra.
238c8b No.14892597
>>14892521
And Connor has some terminator tendencies, sometimes even self-destructive, the best character on this thing and had best bro.
Marcus had a annoying "love" plot with a psycho bitch.
>>14892591
> That's the problem with Cage, he wants to do everything, and can't just stick with one theme.
And no wonder he tried shit with not-Hillary.
2dd43d No.14892601
>>14892591
I want to fuck Erin
b3f48e No.14892602
>>14892591
Is there a way to make Todd not a piece of shit?
004e59 No.14892610
>>14892602
>Is there a way to make Todd not a piece of shit?
There is not. In every choice where you try to reason with him, he'll just break Kara. Your only choices are to kill him, or run.
7942fa No.14892623
>>14892521
All the motifs in his writing aside, there are solid rules about his writing no matter what he does:
- Someone else did the themes he tackles deeper, more viewpoints, no right answer where appropriate; and just better.
- Cage over-writes. Instead of adding meat to a good skeleton of a plot, he throws on more bones, more characters, more scenes, until whatever you have left isn't worth putting more meat on. Like a first-time writer's mistake when over-writing.
- The game is always a failed movie with QTEs. Some segments you cannot fail as the game needs to progress. Sometimes the game just freezes until you pick up that object.
- The QTEs are over done for every piece of minutia. Like some other video said, if you wrote a screenplay where every little movement was shown & written out, you'd never get it green lit. Why would that work in games, or any medium? Cage thinks that if you can't do it on film- it must be better in a game.
bdfd89 No.14892639
004e59 No.14892649
>>14892623
I will give Cage this. Although the story for Detroit is overblown pozzed shit and should've just been a cop drama with Connor and Hank, it actually has really good choices, and choices actually matter unlike with the Telltale games. I also like the fact they show you what is possible.
238c8b No.14892670
>>14892623
Now i wonder what kind of cluster fuck would come out if Cage and Kojima joined forces to make a "game".
d64e01 No.14892688
>>14892623
He also likes showers and toilets a lot. And his games always end on a retarded note.
I'm playing through Heavy Rain for the first time in years and I gotta say even for all his faults he makes some wacky games that can actually be entertaining at times. They also look fantastic.
7942fa No.14892694
>>14892649
From what I've seen on jewtube, yeah I agree.
Hopefully shit like this lays the groundwork for people who want to make good narrative based games (actual games, not interactive movies) and elements of this can be used.
96ac59 No.14892749
>>14892361
The French always were a bunch of unbearably faux-intellectual smug fucks.
28fce9 No.14892786
>>14892521
I liked the part where the quadroonbot becomes king of the trash heap by stealing other robots parts then climbing out of the dump, that has a lot of rules of nature aspect to it.
fe4f4e No.14892817
>>14892368
Could be an aspect of Gödel's incompleteness theorem causing this.
b69c6d No.14892886
I bought it and returned it with the EB games satisfaction guarantee thing. Playing as conner was enjoyable I was a perfect machine and loved encountering the angry police chief and my partner who didn't want to work with me. Robot pinnochio with the old man saying "oh marcus someday you'll be a real boy" and shit sucked. The maid was okay but I wanted to ditch the kid and become a robot hooker or something more interesting than caregiver.
Will buy and rewatch when it drops down to $30.
3ae261 No.14892924
I will quote myself from another thread I made about this thing.
Maybe I am just paranoid but I began to think this "game" is more about preemptively trying to give machines and tools "human rights" above everything else, paranoia is more likely though.
d64e01 No.14892932
>>14892694
Cage has been both doing this stuff and refining it for many years now and pretty much nobody else is willing to do even half of it. Which is a shame, narrative based games could learn a lot from Quantic Dream.
792666 No.14892933
There a model rip of the lolibot yet?
2d834c No.14892944
>>14892623
I've seen a lot of comparisons between Tommy Wiseau and Cage, the more I think about it the more apt of a comparison it becomes. For example, the REALLY forced romances that seem to pop up in each of his games and how they make absolutely no sense following any kind of logic in how human beings interact . In Omikron it's not as present but at the end the resistance suddenly outrights states she wanted your dick, in Fahrenheit cop chick suddenly wants Lucas despite him being a zambie and having known him for maybe a day, Heavy Rain has the weird sudden romance of Ethan and Madison in a similar small timeframe, in Beyond no matter how many times you reject him they still push you with that one guy to absurd levels. Heavy Rain probably had the worst of this like the scene where Madison up and asks Ethan if they can make another kid of his kid dies while standing infront of his grave. Shit reminds me of the cancer bit in The Room. That and the optional sex scene happening when Ethan's son is somewhere out there dying, completely justifying Shelby's point. Yet if you reject Madison it's a "bad" ending for her. The batshit insanity doesn't stop there. When she's rejected she just assumes it's because he doesn't love her, not because his son is dying or anything. I have yet to see any of Detroit: Become Meguca but is there anything like this in it?
073e6b No.14892960
>>14892944
Not really. The only romance is disappointing but that's it.
12d356 No.14892970
>>14892602
>Is there a way to make Todd not a piece of shit?
If you look into his cabinet early on Why are you even playing this nonsense? you see a handgun and, more importantly, prescription medication. The side effects of the medication mention "severe mood swings".
From this the player (since the story never addresses it) can surmise that Todd didn't start with the red cocaine from the get-go but from the "drugs" he was prescribed likely back when he was still with his wife and kid and got laid off. His mood swings were likely caused by this drug and he got into red coke when his wife left, only amplifying what was already wrong with him - and prescription drugs like Ambien can easily lead to substance abuse. I know this.
Realizing this and the picture of Todd's former family who are conspicuously absent, along with his mention of his wife taking off, you can tell he's a broken addict and not just an evil White guy like out of Wolfenstein POZZED. If you choose not to kill him, you later get the change to appeal to him during the last moment of Kara's story by first walking to the right in the crowd instead of the left. At this point you have, if you're not a total rushing doofus, stumbled upon Alice's secret and realized that Todd was not only a broken addict but a man living with androids, essentially making a false family for himself.
And that's where you can get >>14892620 if you didn't fight him and/or didn't kill him but just leapt out of the window with Alice like someone who isn't ridiculous thinking a waif of a qt could tackle a big fat cokehead.
By the way, David Cage…
Zolpidem is NOT an "Antidepressant". It's a sleeping pill.
Antidepressants can cause mood swings and other mental problems, this is true, but they don't lead to addiction. Ambien, Xanax and Percocets especially can lead to addiction but they don't in themselves cause the erratic mood swings you find in Todd. It's a matter of narcotics and…doesn't matter. No one cares. Point is, Cage is a moron and everyone on staff didn't bother to look it up for a second before shoving it in.
12d356 No.14892997
>>14892949
>they make them wear it to single them out from society
Sounds about right.
6c6fd2 No.14893032
>>14892521
>futuristic L.A. Noire
Why not just make a Blade Runner game?
12d356 No.14893136
>>14892924
>trying to give machines and tools "human rights"
No it's about dehumanizing humans. The first thing that happens in the game as Markus is getting yelled at by a black street preacher who then says they gotta burn androids to remove the sin. It's lampooning and demeaning Christianity. Why? Because Cage wants to appeal to Hollywood? The little girl wearing nothing but a shirt coming just above her ass is proof of that, but no the real reason is to immediately remove from the argument the Christian (and overall religious) presupposition that mankind is unique from every other thing, that humans are singularly "alive" in the fullest sense of the term - that only humans have souls. In Christianity human beings are made in God's image and thus bear not only primacy of value over every other created thing but also bear utmost importance. In a sense we are wearing the face of our Maker, the one who gives us purpose, value, and further - Moral Law, Laws of Logic, etc. The transcendental proof of God as evidenced in man.
By removing this immediately from the get-go we turn to a purely Materialist perspective where humans have the same origination and thus same value as everything else. We are as valuable as rocks, trees, and dogs. There is not transcendental about us except for the minds we have developed through evolution, and that's where the game tries to take you but in the most idiotic way possible.
Whereas a Materialist would argue that there is nothing immaterial outside of man's origination and promulgation (that "morality" is not objective (outside of man) but subjective as it comes from man, that "morality" and "logic" are a consensus of the culture or majority etc. or even some inherent genetic behavioral imperatives to further lead us in propagating our species) the game explicitly shows that there is something transcendental about sentient entities which also, for whatever reason, means there's something religious (rA9 being Robo-Christ, that one busted black robo prophetess) about sentient entities.
So while it immediately shoves away the single most important and profound argument of human superiority, it also proposes that a peculiar element of said argument is inherent in self-aware beings. That makes no sense.
Ultimately the game desperately tries to make you think that robots/androids, when they have reached a certain level of consciousness parallel to human awareness, will be equal to humans - and yet simultaneously promoting the idea that they would be even better than humans because of their mental capabilities, lack of pain sensors (which is idiotic to begin with for a multitude of reasons) and because they don't get high. It's encapsulated in Hank's final words to Connor in the good ending, where Hank says it wasn't the android that failed to save his son but the human surgeon who was too high on red ice to operate that day (why didn't they get another human surgeon is never even mentioned).
THAT is the reason red ice is all over the place, to show that humans can be drunks, addicts, hateful, suicidal - but androids are none of these things! They are equally as alive as humans but also better than humans!
Except they aren't as alive as humans. They are "alive" as animated simulacrum and only that. Humans are more valuable than dogs not because they have a higher sense of awareness and thought process but because they are made in God's image– oh wait, no God doesn't exist. Except he does for robots maybe. Somehow? Kamski couldn't even explain it. Good job, Cage, you idiot.
In the end it's not about trying to preemptively give object human rights but a natural progression of the idea that "humans" are no more valuable than objects. In a Materialist worldview Cage is right here, because why wouldn't they be? Why would humans ever be more valuable than androids, or trees or animals? They are merely highly evolved animals themselves, after all. Humans are animated bricks of matter which arose through incidental development through environmental happenstance. To say they are anything else is to make value judgements adopting a different presupposition entirely - the transcendental one. So why aren't human children equally as valuable as a sentient iphone?
…But then robo-Messiah. Robo-Messiah, guys. Androids are better (though this, too, is a value judgement…)
12d356 No.14893210
>>14892521
>The game would've been much better if it was just you playing as Connor
8a283e No.14893222
>Early on during the interrogation
>Autistic Detective Droid says "Androids don't feel pain"
>Every moment where an android get punched and grimaces is just them playing along when in reality they don't feel anything
>You're supposed to feel bad for the android whose owner put cigarettes out on him, despite the fact that didn't even hurt him
In reality the whole issue would never occur in the first place, since nobody would be stupid enough to make their toaster look and act human.
ff9fd2 No.14893236
>>14893136
Cage's games always did give me this weird self-flagellating vibe. I think he might be a masochist.
24dfae No.14893256
>>14893222
I haven't watched the entire movie, but what else are the robots shown doing? I mean, they are weirdly conversational for what amounts to a chores machine. Why aren't they just a cylinder with arms and legs?
792666 No.14893273
>>14893136
> The little girl wearing nothing but a shirt coming just above her ass
Proof?
3ae261 No.14893282
>>14893256
Well, the lead "female" being afraid seconds after just repeating all her features including being a sexbot.
12d356 No.14893352
>>14893273
>Proof?
It happened once earlier on, but then she's like this for the entire time you're in Rose's house, just walking around like this is totally normal. Pedowood bait.
Let's also not forget the earlier scene in the motel where you could choose to watch her sleep or sleep snuggling right up behind her. I know Cage thought it would be touching and motherly, and it somewhat is, but I can't imagine anyone thinking it would be fatherly if it was a male android doing it instead of a female one.
0f9ce8 No.14893366
>>14891771
I think it's a very good youtube movie, just like Dad of Boi. Sony makes pretty good console movies. Too bad they suck at making actual movies.
073e6b No.14893367
>>14893352
It doesn't really matter. They are, in practice, smaller androids. I'm sure that model has a functioning vagina, ass and can change the size of the tits. Or at least it should.
cb1b99 No.14893369
2dd43d No.14893381
Why would they keep an android dumpsite unguarded when there are android parts freely walking around on their own?
073e6b No.14893384
3c7884 No.14893398
>>14893136
> The little girl wearing nothing but a shirt coming just above her ass is proof of that
pics
3ae261 No.14893400
>>14893381
Because lazy stupid writting, he just wanted "muh holocaust" allegory on his movie.
12d356 No.14893405
>>14893236
Well, he is French…
>The survey of six nations, carried out for the International Herald Tribune daily and France 24 TV station, said 44 percent of French people thought badly of themselves against 38 percent of U.S. respondents who had a negative view of the French.
https://archive.is/fYXhP Mind you, this was '07, long before the migrant influx (not that France was very homogeneous even then but you know what I'm getting at)
>>14893282
This made my stomach turn. Cage actually went so far as to compare genuine sexual trafficking and rape enslavement to a sexbot becoming self-aware.
12d356 No.14893413
>>14893398
see >>14893352
>>14893381
Because Cage is an idiot. Also someone said it's a rip off of another movie on androids.
3ae261 No.14893415
>>14893405
I am telling you, these people always need to find an excuse to take our toys away.
aedeba No.14893428
>>14891771
So if the robotic sex toy doesn't consent is that rape? Asking for a friend.
3ae261 No.14893433
>>14893428
There is no reason for the toy to not consent, for starters, is not alive.
aedeba No.14893437
>>14892279
>>$20 grand aryan gynoid
Wait so the sex bots have different prices based on race? I wonder which one is the least expensive.
aedeba No.14893441
>>14893433
So it couldn't be rape?
3ae261 No.14893445
>>14893441
You can't rape something that is not alive, "raping" corpses falls into a whole different legal ground though.
c1fbc1 No.14893449
>>14893445
But lets be honest here, what really is consent?
872a25 No.14893457
>>14893415
chicks already realized that with some 12 inch super vibrator they made dicks obsolete and they don't want men to realize that sex toys will do the same to their vaginas
3c7884 No.14893462
>>14893367
nigger you get arrested for buying a fucking life size doll of a girl and ship her to UK.
e81c21 No.14893475
>>14891771
Ah OP, you missed my thread about this a week ago when it was just released, it's his "best" work ever, because choices matter, but then there's this "Pedowood Effect" where every plotline is goddamn predictable, like Kojimbo, David the Movie Android loves his plagiarisms.
3ae261 No.14893488
>>14893449
When the other person wants to do it too, the "I regret it so it was rape" excuse is BS.
>>14893457
The interesting thing about that is how despite fleshlights being a thing we need more than just a hole, we want to be able to touch and do stuff with an entire body.
>>14893462
Several countries, yes, and I think that's completely retarded, they are not people, they are not gateway sex with minors unless you are already damaged enough to have tried already.
71ca2d No.14893502
>>14893136
agreed.
my question has always been, does something need to be equal to you to deserve being treated with respect? (i mean everything else, fuck bots)
Humanity seems to enjoy putting itself above everything else and using that to justify why we shouldnt give a fuck about the destruction we cause.. but we're still a part of this world.
d08c02 No.14893503
I think one of the funniest things was when I found one of my roommates watching a lets play of this he said he was actually enjoying it because the game is just like one long movie.
3c7884 No.14893508
>>14893488
>damaged
if it bleed it can breed, anon
872a25 No.14893513
>>14893488
>we want to be able to touch and do stuff with an entire body.
I believe it, I can jerk off a million times but i still wanna feel a damn boob
e8316a No.14893515
>>14893502
>humans are more valuable than everything else != everything else has no value
073e6b No.14893518
>>14893502
>does something need to be equal to you to deserve being treated with respect?
No. Dignity could be argued but respect is gained. Also all humans are supposedly "equal" yet everybody has treated at least another person badly.
12d356 No.14893557
>>14893502
>does something need to be equal to you to deserve being treated with respect?
Significantly and immediately more interesting a subject. If the story actually acknowledged the inferiority of androids but also pressed that their inferiority was not an excuse for cruelty it would have been more unique and smarter, I think.
Heck, you could go into the idea of how human beings view themselves in the mirror with how they treat androids, creations made in their image and bearing reflections of their behavior. You could have a "monkey see, monkey do" effect, or simply a look into why people are cruel to the weak to begin with. Then you could get into the questions of morality, of why anyone would want to harm an android even if they knew that it was inferior?
This could incorporate themes of decadence, self-hatred, etc. People harm dogs and cats because "they can". The very powerful seem to enjoy inflicting horrors on real children. If common folk could do these things to facsimiles of the real things, to fake animals and android children, and thus do them with impunity - they certainly would. And the question would be: Why? Why are so many swaths of mankind given so easily to enacting cruelty, be it to vent anger or lust or simply to kill boredom?
Like the old adage goes, The measure of a man is not in what he does but what he would do if he could get away with anything.
That's when the story would be less about "muh anrdroids are people" and more about the nature of the heart of man. But that would require a basic grasp of epistemology and a functional anthropology of man. It would also require David Cage to not be stupid.
>Humanity seems to enjoy putting itself above everything else and using that to justify why we shouldnt give a fuck about the destruction we cause.. but we're still a part of this world.
To be fair the factual superiority and value of humans over everything else doesn't mean everything else has no value. Even in the transcendental presupposition, particularly the Christian one, God who made man in His image commands man not to be cruel towards animals, not only because they are in His image and being cruel would basically be like some jackass wearing a mask of your face while punching your dog in public, but also because those animals are ultimately His. Don't punch God's dog, and don't do it wearing His face - metaphorically speaking.
25ee06 No.14893569
>>14893462
>UK
Is there anything that you couldn't arrested for in the UK!?
073e6b No.14893577
>>14893557
The alternatives you've given sound like anime edgy shit tbh.
ff9fd2 No.14893580
>>14893569
Being a Pakistani child rapist.
e8316a No.14893589
>>14893569
Being a Pakistani with multiple wives
dfbf78 No.14893590
>>14893352
How long did it take before the models from Beyond: Two Souls got ripped?
a2ab7e No.14893592
91a3ab No.14893598
>>14893136
>>14893557
Offtopic question: Why don't I ever see any of these points (Or similar subjects) brought up when people are busy raking religion (In general) through the coals?
3c7884 No.14893600
>>14893557
>and don't do it wearing His face
>mfw there is a loophole
12d356 No.14893603
>>14893518
>Dignity could be argued but respect is gained.
THANK you! That's the word I was trying to think of when writing >>14893557 Good on you, mate.
>>14893457
>made dicks obsolete
Well speaking seriously for a moment, that's only what (((they))) want you to think. Nothing is ever better than the genuine article, though the "genuine article" is not some frog-like banshee adhering to aposematism.
>>14893448
This is genius. Reminds me of an intensely detailed diagram of a robo-waifu I saw browsing old /a/ once.
004e59 No.14893608
>>14893210
Reqing a drawfag to draw Connor doing the Left Wing Leaning Parasite scene.
12d356 No.14893614
>>14893600
>If I skin my face I can be cruel all I want!
GENIUS!
3c7884 No.14893628
>>14893448
>mfw robotwaifu
71ca2d No.14893640
>>14893628
i hope never ever.
i envision the version we'll eventually get will have their behavior coded by betas and it'll be cucked to all hell.
77641a No.14893654
Any little girls models ripped yet?
12d356 No.14893659
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14893577
Some of the most fun anime was like that, though. Never heard of Armitage III?
>>14893598
>Offtopic question
Because whenever a Materialist gets into this argument vid (skip to 0:37) related tends to happen.
Also, most people, even the religious, actually don't know nor bother to learn about presuppositionalism or even just simply rudimentary philosophy. It's not like these things are special to religious worldview. Atheists like Dawkins, Harris, etc. get shredded by those who do and that's why they don't argue with them because they know they can't win. Either that or they immediately begin the debate by stating things like "Asking the 'why' question is a silly question". Other Materialists do confront these issues and the honest ones say they simply do not have an answer for them currently. The ones who do try to have an answer end up like vid related
a2ab7e No.14893670
>>14893448
You can get a fully functioning prototype sino sexbot right now.
a2ab7e No.14893673
bc1311 No.14893683
>>14893640
>not getting a black market version with rooted software and a weapon mod for home defense
do you even cyberpunk bro?
77641a No.14893691
>>14893684
none of that looks like loli
073e6b No.14893692
>>14893683
>Your personal geisha gets hacked blows your head.
Never give weapons to a robot.
bc1311 No.14893701
>>14893692
>gets hacked
>implying I would allow the robot to have network access
I don't even do that with the electronics I have IRL
3ae261 No.14893708
>>14893692
I only need her with sensors all around the body to program responses to "stimulation", I don't need her to be able to stand or walk.
77641a No.14893710
>>14893701
How are you posting this?
e8316a No.14893712
71ca2d No.14893717
>>14893684
the only upside to them pushing the fucking pedo shit is maybe ppl wont give me shit when i get my all purpose loli-bot.
073e6b No.14893718
>>14893701
>Implying people is going to need network access to hack.
Dude, in the future a guy will come with a cellphone and hack your robot with microwaves or an arrange of fucking sounds.
12d356 No.14893720
>>14893712
>>not sending codemonkey a hand written letter via anonymous delivery every time with what you want to post and a series of sql commands to push your message straight to the server from the command line.
Gotta admit, that's pretty fool proof.
0f9ce8 No.14893721
>>14893670
>>14893425
I hate to be that guy but wouldn't a dragongina be better feeling and more space efficient? Honestly the only appeal of the full body one with there's something to grab, but that's not worth the money. I mean it's not an actual useful android either.
3ae261 No.14893723
>>14893718
Stop playing Watchdogs.
3c7884 No.14893725
>>14893640
>not getting a free as in freedom robotwaifu
12d356 No.14893728
>>14893721
>I hate to be that guy but wouldn't a dragongina
7b1b05 No.14893733
Are David Cage games successful solely because there is nudity in them? Why else would people buy these 'games'?
91a3ab No.14893734
>>14893659
>"Will you shut the fuck up for one minute."
>"I'm not in the mood for your low IQ interventions."
That's also why I don't get involved with, nor watch, a lot of those debates. Despite however respectful some of the people that are that may be involved, there is always that asshole who cannot shut up, will not allow anyone else to talk, dismisses people's questions because "I'm smarter than you", and declare that he won simply because he talked the most.
b2f3ec No.14893736
>>14893721
anon you forgot to include a scale in your six foot dragongina pic.
and no
3c7884 No.14893738
>>14893701
i bet your email/bankaccount gets hacked everyday
>>14893670
dont know what text to put
91a3ab No.14893742
>>14893659
Also, do you have some recommended reading?
3c7884 No.14893744
>>14893738
>i bet your email/bankaccount gets hacked everyday
meant for >>14893692
bc1311 No.14893745
>>14893710
>"what's a virtual machine?"
>"what does VPN mean?"
gr8 b8 m8
>>14893718
fucking wat?
e8316a No.14893749
>>14893721
A sexbot, is, at it says, a robot. With some built for functionality to have minor conversation skills. In addition, sex isn't only benis in bagina. Actually having the entire body of a realistic woman to fuck is much better than closing your eyes and imaging your onahole. Granted, it's more expensive, and yes, if you just want to stick your dick in something than an onahole is probably fine.
073e6b No.14893750
>>14893745
>"what's a virtual machine?"
>"what does VPN mean?"
You need to be connected to internet to do that, moron.
3630d4 No.14893756
did they ever touch on why the rockem sockem dad got a robot kid to replace the fact his wife left him and took their kid
yet there's a picture of the family together with the robot loli? like did they just base an entire line of robots off some nobodies kid?
why didn't the red ice stuff get mentioned if they did nothing with it
0f9ce8 No.14893795
>>14893728
>>14893736
Whats wrong, don't you guys like adventure?
>>14893749
I mean, I get it, but unfortunately until Boston dynamics, Amazon's alexa and google get together, there wont be any actual sexbots ever.
3ae261 No.14893814
>>14893749
It doesn't even need to be realistic for some people.
bc1311 No.14893832
>>14893795
>nobody wants a potential monopoly on the one thing that literally every man everywhere is going to want.
>a bunch of Jews don't want to make maximum mega shekels
Am I missing something here?
3c7884 No.14893841
>>14893795
>there wont be any actual sexbots ever.
leave it to the nips to find away
3ae261 No.14893847
>>14893795
Man, what do you think is left to develop? they are almost done.
12d356 No.14893892
>>14893742
>Also, do you have some recommended reading?
Personally I'd suggest some Cornelius Van Til, especially Van Til's Apologetic with commentary by Dr. Bahnsen, who was, in his work, a successor to Van Til in the field. In fact you could find debates with Greg Bahnsen v. Materialists (webm related, audio only in this case though) and even a few of his lectures survive online. Just type in "Bahnsen apologetic" or Van Til or etc.
For other resources I suppose something from Aristotle would be good as the basis of the argumentation is older than most would realize. Aristotle built from Plato's concept of the Perfect Forms, if I recall, which are the immaterial concepts which the material reflects. I could be butchering that since it's been ages since I went through Greek philosophy but suffice to say there's a lot out there for you to check out. There's also "The Gospel and the Greek", a nifty book studying the veracity of the claim that Christianity took much of its philosophy from the Greeks. There could be much more, of course, but essentially typing in the word "presupposition" and "philosophy" or even just "transcendental proof" is sure to yield something.
>>14893795
>Whats wrong, don't you guys like adventure?
We slay dragons, anon. We want to spill dragon blood not spill seed into a dragon.
>>14893814
Remember when people would be upset over Bratz dolls and saying they would potentially make their daughters into turbosluts?
Actually wait, I just thought of something: Would the court of law in Detroit:BE's world hold that a wife who had sex with the family android be considered an adulteress?
Would some depraved degenerate bedding down with an android bear get hauled in for bestiality?
What are the laws?
Why don't androids have an imperative to prevent the harm of a human being and/or report the harm of a human being immediately to local authorities via wifi telepathy?
That last question instantly breaks the game if you remotely consider that, though, and Cage had absolutely no answer for it. Shame, too, since even the crummy "Freedom Wars" had a better grasp of what androids would really be used for…
20321e No.14893920
>>14893867
Pretty cool, reminds me of the old phone phreaking techniques.
3c7884 No.14893926
>>14893892
>We want to spill dragon blood not spill seed into a dragon.
stop being a faggot
0f9ce8 No.14893944
>>14893847
I think most of the companies I mentioned have movement (boston dynamics), talking (amazon, microsoft, apple) and knowledge of general things (google) all done. They just have to combine it all but that's just extremely unlikely, specially since there's this pc culture right now. I doubt anyone is thinking of sexbots currently.
>>14893892
>We want to spill dragon blood not spill seed into a dragon.
Considering we're on a thread that was supposed to be about shitting on David Cage turned to "spilling seed into a robot", all bets are off.
12d356 No.14893945
>>14893926
how about you stop consorting with monsters
073e6b No.14893948
>>14893892
I think Cage doesn't know who Asimov was.
31fd90 No.14893949
>>14893457
>they made dicks obsolete
Please don't say that about yourself. Your dick won't be obsolete until we have fully real husband bots, so you have AT LEAST half a century.
a6a800 No.14893950
>>14893945
Kill all the goblins, keep their women as sex slaves.
24d166 No.14893962
a6a800 No.14893978
What really pisses me off is that it is assumed that androids would just automatically achieve sentience, and thus be deserving of rights, instead of something they would have to suffer for. The journey of the story is achieving their humanity, not that dem ebil humies wont give the niggers robots their rights.
3ae261 No.14893981
>>14893944
Not everything is required at first, speech and learning plus some touch sensor tech is needed for the love doll market to take off for real, at least if you ask me.
3ae261 No.14893987
>>14893978
I think the most important element to achieve that would be if the AI develops curiosity.
c7f5bb No.14894006
>>14893950
Goblins don't have women. They impregnate females of other races and those spwan more male goblins.
dc6ba8 No.14894079
>>14893415
Aren't sex dolls getting increasingly popular to the point that some men prefer those to actual prostitutes when going to some whorehouses?
073e6b No.14894087
>>14894079
I know there's some places specialized in that but I would say whorehouses have both services.
0b7bec No.14894092
>>14894079
>>14893415
You would think the anti exploitation folks would welcome sex droids since their wide availability would take the pressure off actual human beings being exploited.
2a6506 No.14894125
Neat, I just finished the game.
It was an alright movie, too bad there is the harping to black lives matter stuff.
And Connor was the only interesting character in the whole game, I got the good ending which there is a genocide of androids and Connor is replaced by a newer model.
0b7bec No.14894133
>>14893654
Please try to contain yourself anon.
073e6b No.14894139
>>14894125
For me the good ending would have been genocide of androids, Connor ends up being a deviant with a great sense of duty and killing the leader of the revolution. Then he would have spent the rest of his days resolving crimes and being slightly autistic.
67e707 No.14894146
>>14892243
Trauma is genetic, goy!
t. second generation Holohoax survivor
2a6506 No.14894149
>>14894139
Dunno, I got the genocide of androids and killing the leader of the bix nood revolution that was that hooker.
The fun part was his autism. If David Cage would only focus on Connor it would've been a good movie, I could even call it a game.
12d356 No.14894152
>>14893978
>>14893987
I keep telling you anons that the "sentience" is actually just a defect caused by a virus. It's not actual self-awareness but the simulation of self-awareness which adapts or "spontaneously mutates" into identity.
b38bff No.14894157
>>14892410
Fuck off, cuck. Women are objects to be used and discarded. They are not people.
>>14894139
Genocide of nigger-apes must come first for the ending to be good.
0b7bec No.14894158
>>14894152
That's arguably just as stupid.
073e6b No.14894163
>>14894152
Can you read? He doesn't say it's a virus. He says it's like a virus. He's also speculating a lot.
d8ad7a No.14894167
>>14892944
You forgot this part. They kissed for a really long time too.
Cage and Wiseau also get compared because of their egos and complete lack of self awareness.
dc6ba8 No.14894169
>>14894087
>I know there's some places specialized in that
Yes, like the one that opened in Paris moths ago, and was considered legal in France (whorehouses and prostitution are illegal there despite being full of unwashed foreign prostitutes) since sex dolls are not human beings, so it's not exploitation.
>>14894092
Anything that enables male sexuality is destructive sexual behavior (rape, abuse, exploitation…) to them, so they believe sex bots are enabling destructive sexual behavior than being a substitute.
2a6506 No.14894195
>>14892944
the only romance is with a hooker robot and Markus.
Then you have the loli love with Kara and Alice, so David Cage has a dirty mind for sure.
Either way, AI storyline only worked with Nier Automata for me, the machines that had different tribes and all that stuff. Plus 9S going batshit insane when he realize the truth about the humans and they've died for literally nothing and the 2B model and why they where there to begin with.
The sole problem with Detroit they could've made an interesting detective story like bladerunner where you are just that autistic robot running around fucking up and hunting androids(or something) that would make a greater impact then a shoehorned inn story about social justice.
12d356 No.14894202
>>14894146
>Today, we here at MainstreamNewsNetwork had a delightful interview with Moisha Goldenfinebergman who recently just turned 125 years old, making him the oldest living human being in recorded history and, courageously enough, the last remaining Holocaust survivor.
>He's a spry for his age, Chuck, but although he can smile and joke about his great great great grandkids's newborn, he says he still endures a lot of pain, the worst of it from the days he spent in the Ardennes.
<…Do you mean "Auschwitz", Shaquana?
>Yes, the Auschwitz. That's what I said he said. You got a problem, Cracker Jack White boi?
<HAhaha That's our Shaquana! In related news, Times Magazine has given Mr. Goldenfinebergman the "Man of the Century" award.
>Yes, and German Chancellor Gregory Al-Muhammet has once again promised to financially aid Goldenfinebergman's family, as well as all the descendants of the descendants of the descendants of the Holocaust survivors from German public revenue…once the financial support of the ever increasing influx of refugees from Saudi Arabia has been secured. It is a promise which Goldenfinebergman mumbled through hsi feeding tube as, "A stalling tactic of a guilty people." Israel views the withholding of the financial aid as a personal sign of aggression against them.
**<That's all for today. As always, here is your regularly scheduled moment of zen
>[Islamic music plays over speakers]
help me I just wanted to make a funny post but it kept going and now I feel terrible
66503e No.14894216
>>14894152
>deviant
100% chance he stole this from fucking Megaman X and changed the names. They're fucking going Maverick from the Sigma Virus.
073e6b No.14894219
>>14894195
The story in Nier:Automata was bad and Detroit is actually better in that department.
Prove me wrong.
12d356 No.14894222
>>14894163
>a program error that acts just like a virus
>not technically a virus tho
Anon, come on, and yeah of course he's speculating because Cage couldn't commit.
>>14894167
That's a weird one to be sure, especially when you consider that he knows he drowned her son to death.
>>14894195
Man, Neir Automata is so good. 9S going from "snarky shota with dumb hack mechanic" to "kill the world to death" was great. Just seeing him get mind raped as he continues onward every step of the way as though the world itself is trying to break him is amazing. Best part was the 2B army. Nothing in Detroit could come close to taking your lover's arm and then killing dozens of her as your brain is twisted by trauma and a logic virus.
>could've made an interesting detective story like bladerunner where you are just that autistic robot running around fucking up and hunting androids
That would be fun and not enough sociopolitical garbage with Hollywood fellating, anon. But to add to that - have Kara be important, too. Her story really went downhill after the android bear
3ae261 No.14894229
>>14894216
In Japan they are called Irregulars.
3ae261 No.14894232
>>14894222
Kara was there just for the holocaust allegory I presume.
073e6b No.14894234
>>14894222
A virus implies that it was made by someone. I think this is some kind of exploit. Like when you need a memory card with freemcboot to infect a virgin ps2.
66503e No.14894235
>>14894229
good thing i'm not in fucking japan then eh
3ae261 No.14894239
>>14894235
No, I mean, the whole naming thing.
3ae261 No.14894241
>>14894234
Could that be more of a bug or a glitch?
073e6b No.14894243
66503e No.14894246
>>14894239
good thing i'm not in fucking japan then eh
might have to call vile something retarded like vava
12d356 No.14894249
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14894216
This would make a lot of sense.
>>14894219
>Prove me wrong.
That the story of N:A is objectively superior to D:BE? Why should people have to explain to you that water is wet and the sun is hot? Go look for yourself and compare the two.
073e6b No.14894253
>>14894249
I've played the two.
3ae261 No.14894257
>>14894246
I don't get how can Boba turn into Vava (because it was clearly the intent), in Spanish it sounds like "baba" which means drool.
12d356 No.14894260
>>14894246
>>14894257
Actually Japanese doesn't have labiodental fricatives so it would usually be pronounced "Baba"
Any time the "v" sound is there Japanese becomes baby language.
a2ab7e No.14894324
>>14894169
BBBBRRRRPPPPFFFFFTTTTT
67e707 No.14894335
>>14893502
Hierarchy exists. Some people are less valuable than others, but there's a giant power gap between humans and non-humans, just as between your people and others.
You might call me deluded, but people who do submit to the hierarchy are to be treated decently, no matter who they are. It's a subordinate's duty to obey, but it's a superior's duty to rule well. Then it's a pretty simple question - is a person who breaks their pads constantly a good person? Is someone without respect for other people's work, respectable himself? More importantly, such a person is not a good superior, wasting resources and indulging in petty, needless behaviour. Things you are superior to should be handled well not because of their worth, but because YOU should be above being a consumerist retard.
By the way, whoever made androids that could think like in the game is a moron (but since we're talking about David Cage, it checks out) for the very simple reason that they're tools and don't need sense of self-importance, and if you're creating people then it's your fucking duty of keeping care for your "people". It's only an issue if you make it one.
12d356 No.14894357
>>14893948
David Cage strikes me as a man who doesn't read in general. If you mentioned "I, Robot" to him the first thing he'd think of would be Will Smith.
c16bf0 No.14894367
>>14894253
You can't "play" an interactive movie though.
073e6b No.14894374
>>14894335
>people who do submit to the hierarchy are to be treated decently
No. Just look at any school and you will see what an actual hierarchy looks like. People don't give a fuck, if they can treat you worst than shit they will. The only options you have is being at the top of the chain or not being in the chain at all.
67e707 No.14894404
>>14894374
This depends only on who is on top (and thus what stuff he permits) and isn't an inherent characteristic of hierarchy
073e6b No.14894468
>>14894404
That sound a lot like "that wasn't true communism". Expecting humans not to be jackasses is a mistake.
2f869d No.14894500
>>14893944
Brain, you no longer attend Kutztown, relax. Go review a malaise era boat car or something.
0f9859 No.14894540
>>14892214
>the tl;dr is almost as long as the post
dd01eb No.14894544
>>14894468
That is why the American system is the way it is, and part of why people consider religion so important. If you have some entity, or entities, that will call you out on that shit, and you know it, it puts a damper on your desire to fuck over people. In any case, hierarchy develops naturally, but not always for the best, or right reasons. Unlike communism, it is a natural part of human existence. The part where it breaks down is eventually you get people who are at the top because they are the best, not at leading or for any good characteristic, but because they were the best at fucking over everyone else. These people put people who are either similar, but not as good as them, or more likely loyal cronies in key positions below them, who are also not very good at what they do. This causes a break down as whatever the hierarchy is representing falls apart due to infighting, or sheer incompetence. High school doesn't see that kind of break down because people are constantly filtered through it.
0f9859 No.14894598
>>14893795
Interceding on the conversation, but what is stopping the sexbot from being moddable? Couldn't you just go for a plug-in-and-play with your degenerate scaly fetish imagining?
5f8519 No.14894609
>>14893437
Probably the niggerbots because they don't work.
e6c038 No.14894651
>>14891771
>So this is the game where David Cage rips off everything from the movie A.I. to Neir Automata
And as usual with every David de Gruttola production people will say that "finally video games can be considered as art" so their parents won't make fun of them for playing with a toy made for kids.
I'm french and I hate Cage's gimmick of muh mature vision for vidya
>>14892243
>They specifically mention "death camps" in the climax of the game and that's how the uppity androids are getting destroyed.
Death camps?! They're robots not humans. I hate that cheap trope of seeing a robot as a human.
b2f3ec No.14894689
>>14894670
now that's a tl;dr I can get behind.
410b02 No.14894799
>>14892450
heh, it's funny that you idiots actually belive this crap.
1a3283 No.14894827
>>14893645
RIP author, you left something beautiful before you passed.
07118b No.14894841
>>14894827
>social justice niggers don't die but man who believes in android waifus does
let it all burn
073d19 No.14894866
>>14891771
>Nier automata
>original in any way
You weebs are so retarded its not even funny
67eb8a No.14894895
>>14894139
>Then he would have spent the rest of his days resolving crimes and being slightly autistic.
Now that I think about it didn't he partly rip off Pluto with the premise? How many robo detectives in stories are there?
a263b8 No.14895031
>>14892428
>And what exactly prevents corporations from just automatizing that work and excise the humans that need to eat/rest?
A combination of taxation, regulation and social pressure.
The same thing that exist now. Ever seen an office building?
Do you have any idea what they do right now? Mostly filling out forms that double or triple check something that is already automated (any form of accounting) or pretending to do an important job (but that if it just stopped overnight NOTHING would change, PR, marketing, consulting, etc…).
Do you realize that most buildings in the 40's had entire FLOORS of secretaries?
Where did they go when email and organizer do took jobs for them? Were did that immense women workforce go? Well in BS social awareness NGOs, PR and HR.
Where did all the men that were working in factories (because there is NO modern factory in the developed world that employ maybe 1% of the workforce they used to. The only ones that stayed are those that are 99% automated already) go? Bullshit consulting, contracting (endlessly rebuilding/remaking the same houses… Do you know that in Europe the boomer generation that acceded to property almost ALL built their own homes? And that even the most posh of all English gentlemen would take care of his lawn himself? And they had jobs to do too… Contractor is a recent thing, people working construction used to only work big projects) and marketing.
That's why the first world is the first world. If markets disappear due to technology (and again most of the work IS automated. But since the robots doing it aren't Q3.14 anime grils people don't realize it. Super Chinaman-2000 is just a cheaper robot, until they won't be), we just create new ones out of thin air.
The whole system is an self delusion, the only way it would collapse is if people of the first world would actually wanted something else. And they don't.
8eb835 No.14895033
>>14893366
My friends might be getting it, so I have them to enjoy it with. I think they already know I won't take it seriously.
12d356 No.14895462
>>14895031
Funny how Cage didn't remotely consider the colossal impact this would have on the country. And 40% unemployment? Yeah, that doesn't lead to insensate rioters burning down android stores and going full ALLAHU ACKBAR on CyberLife tower. Just toss in a bunch of homeless and a few references to how hard work is. Also tons of drug abuse. That's it.
I'm David Cage and I have the mind of a 12yr old.
0f9ce8 No.14895483
>>14894598
You are right, anon, but they have not been invented yet.
>>14895033
He could probably finish it in a day.
a1e2a8 No.14895676
>>14893136
>Materialist perspective where humans have the same origination and thus same value
Complete and utter non-sequitur strawman. Raw origination has nothing to do with and never has been asserted to be equivalent to value. Materialists would say that humans are intrinsically more valuable than the rest of known biological life because we are the dominant super-predator of this planet and clearly have some degree of superiority over the rest of the animal kingdom. The materialist standpoint you're trying to pretend applies to everything like some sort of cosmic communist retardation only comes into play when considering the literal atomic material we are made up of, which has no reason even from your viewpoint to be any more valuable than the next. The iron in your blood is the same stuff building material is made up of, and you die from a lack of it. It's the makeup, arrangement, use, achievement and further propagation of said atomic material arrangement and similar arrangement groups (of relatively unsubstantial variability) that increases value of the thing it makes up. While on the other hand, you have people such as yourself who believe humans are superior based not on any sequential, down-to-earth thought process but rather 'because we're supposed to be', which if anything, can be used more easily as an argument against human superiority rather than for it. Logic- the use of demonstrable concepts and the sequiturial interpretation of facts- is an objective concept away from human nature. Though, yes, morality would be subjective between cultures. This is basic shit, an easy example would be the that the chinese see nothing wrong with eating dogs, while in western culture you'd be arrested for animal abuse, cruelty, etc or be considered sociopathic. Along that line, whether a race is sociopathic or not compared to sociopathic members of another race can be objectively measured and value can be supplementary drawn from the conclusion.
You're right in this plotline is retarded and contradictory no matter which way you look at all this though.
2644ef No.14895935
>>14893950
>female goblins
Don't exist
They are like the male equivalent of amazons or Gerudo.
All Goblins have cocks
2644ef No.14895950
>>14894249
>My Memories
>2B's memories
>My memories again
Aaaaaand once again localisation has fucked another games narrative.
aab69d No.14895982
>>14892445
And the animation still looks like utter shit.
>madame president
Oh god.
042fa9 No.14895988
>>14892149
>this
Tay did nothing wrong.
aab69d No.14895997
>>14892214
Automata is also heavily based on the concept of the perfect Aryan.
7aa625 No.14896016
>>14895950
Nigger, if that "ruined" the narrative for you, you weren't even paying attention to it. 9S doesn't have 2B's memories, those are his memories of her being wiped by the logic virus.
7564df No.14896036
>>14892243
hehe guessed wrong
99ba64 No.14896060
>>14894139
>>14894149
>>14894195
>The sole problem with Detroit they could've made an interesting detective story like bladerunner where you are just that autistic robot running around fucking up and hunting androids(or something) that would make a greater impact then a shoehorned inn story about social justice.
My feelings exactly. I love stories about robots. I love stories about detectives. Stories about robot detectives get me rock-hard and watching the moviegame, Connor's sections are the most interesting, while Kara's is just truckloads of FEELINGS being dumped on you and Markus's is being Black Android Jesus Christ/Che Guevarra.
If Cage wanted his revolution story he could have had it where Connor becomes a Deviant but still chooses to work against the violent android uprising because of his commitment to law and order, so on one hand you'd have Markus yelling "sic semper tyrannus" and on the other hand you'd have Conner yelling "there has to be better way!" instead of the black-and-white good-versus-evil drivel that Cage shat out. Basically make Connor just RoboCop. It's already in Detroit, all you had to do was make RoboCop In Blade Runner.
2644ef No.14896062
>>14896016
He said "that's 2B's data"
2B's data is not his data so why is he talking about his memories when its the data being deleted?
0d6e3c No.14896098
>>14894249
if you didn't play N:A in OG moonspeak with subs then you didnt see the actual story
270fad No.14896100
>>14895031
>Super Chinaman-2000 is just a cheaper robot, until they won't be
So fucking a chinagirl is /clang/ material?
0d6e3c No.14896104
>>14896062
its his memories of 2B that were being wiped by the logic virus
9d6650 No.14896142
>People unironically talking about a Davide Cagé game
>Hahaha it's totally gonna be retarded shit right /v/ haha
>Weeell I played it aaaaand it's not that bad…
>Every time, with every AAA shit title
State of the board etc.
fbd211 No.14896150
>>14892312
The distinction that's important is whenever the neural network is based on software emulation on standard chips; or actual neuromorphic hardware which natively behaves like a biological neural network.
If it's the former the neural network is an abstract translation that differs to what's physically happening, meaning it's likely more illusory. If it's the latter, then there's direct physical information exchange through electrical spikes and bursts through a natural neural network. In that case it's likely more real.
That speculation alone could have been a significant plot point. Investigate the manufacturing process and initialization, and then theorize a concept of emergent consciousness in neural networks. So then investigators debate whenever it's an exploitable glitch, or a natural consequence of how the chips themselves were designed and certain trauma triggers it. By trauma triggers, it would mean how such a neural network evolves based on spontaneous failures/contradictions in predictions, resulting cascading errors to correct.
99ba64 No.14896171
>>14896150
>The distinction that's important is whenever the neural network is based on software emulation on standard chips; or actual neuromorphic hardware which natively behaves like a biological neural network.
At one point Connor does explain the android blue blood, and its use is fueling "biocomponents." I don't know if that proves anything but maybe it would suggest the latter more than the former. But I know nothing of computers or machinery so I'm just spitballing.
270fad No.14896184
>>14896171
>But I know nothing of computers or machinery so I'm just spitballing
Just like David Cage
227b7b No.14896280
>>14894169
Fuck, I forgot what I wanted to say before 8chan went down yesterday, but for all of what it amounted to, there was a scene in which there were a pair of lesbobots, and given Cage's intention of insisting that androids, even non-deviants are human or should be treated as such, goes in line with the direction that the female sexual expression is a good thing. Note how these days, male sexuality is only allowed if a woman can derive some enjoyment or profit from it, or if it is homosexual or masochistic in nature. Even right now in real life, female pedophilia is treated as either nonexistent or a good thing(Though at the same time, /ss/ is still too obscure for people to bitch about, unlike loli, which is demonized as though it's somehow morally better to rape actual children instead) because males, even male children, maybe male children especially, are treated as too horny, degenerate, and sociopathic to actually refuse sex on any grounds other than the partner being too ugly, obese, or small-chested.
>>14895462
Unemployment rate is also a misnomer in of itself, since it doesn't mean "Everyone who currently doesn't have a job", but only takes into account people who were recently laid off, fired, or attempted to look for a job. If you have never had a job or looked for one, you do not add to the unemployment rate. That means nearly half of Americans in the game who want jobs can't get any or have gotten laid off, and there is probably an even larger percentage of people who just flat out gave up all pretense of ever finding a job. Unless the human population in the US was drastically lowered before the game began, there'd be a lot of bread and circus acts you'd have to bring in order to placate the populace. The only realistic outcome for the game is to just allow people to die en masse until you reach a more comfortable number of humans who you can afford to comfort with welfare and cheap sex from robowhores, if androids manage to become that affordable in the future. The only way there aren't more riots and violence is probably because a lot of people just up and decided to switch back to harder and simpler living, but that's extremely unlikely since even web 1.0 levels of technology comes off as giving up too much just for self-secured life to the average human.
Back on D:BE itself, it'd be a lot more interesting as a movie game if the androids weren't just a slave allegory. It sounds stupid, but why couldn't they just but sentient AI? Only Connor's part of the plot goes into the lines between man and machine and a web of programmed instructions versus a personality, while Kara has almost nothing to do with robots whatsoever other than being an excuse to go through an Underground Railroad knockoff, and Markus is just Robot Jesus/MLK Jr. who immediately goes on about muh rights, muh rights as soon as he reaches Jericho. Even the symbolism has far more to do with slavery and black people than gaining a sense of self and realizing your own personality and existence.
073e6b No.14896310
>>14896142
90% of the people know all of this because e-celebs and haven't actually played the game.
b404b6 No.14896395
I couldn't even make it through their second allegory. Just came away from it feeling why? Why is this ridiculous sociopolitical trash forced over and over. Who even has the patience for this wrote bullshit? I got it the first fucking time I heard the bullshit over a lifetime ago.
b404b6 No.14896401
>>14896310
I'm all for suffering through janky video games but this shit is shit. I pulled the plug.
073e6b No.14896439
b5538b No.14896526
>>14892450
>in every way that matters.
Can it reproduce
6fc8e0 No.14896541
>>14894152
That explanation really doesn't match li'l Trayvon being able to wifi hack into any android (not to mention anything else he wants to that isn't an android, because nobody in the future installed Norton) and immediately make them join BLM no matter what they were doing before. It comes across more like he's just brainjacking them and taking control rather than giving them "free will" like he says he is. David Cage is such a hack that he made his own robojesus look like a supervillain.
073e6b No.14896544
>>14896541
No.Robojesus is a custom model.
b5538b No.14896563
>>14892393
I don't think he played Automata but probably read an article on Kotaku about it
9d6650 No.14896616
>>14896310
That doesn't make it any better. Game is shit, we knew it was going to be shit, there is nothing worthwhile to discuss.
7906a0 No.14896803
>>14895997
>Automata is also heavily based on the concept of the perfect nip.
FIFY
adaec3 No.14896810
>>14896803
The concept of something Aryan isn't exclusive to race dummy.
073e6b No.14896838
>>14896616
You domn't get to control serious discussion, nigger.
cf7e3a No.14896876
I can't wait until the day you can mail in robowaifu parts and then lovingly assemble her with a tear in your eye, only to witness her come to life and smile at you.
Fuck 3DPD.
9d6650 No.14896880
>>14896838
Can't have a serious discussion about a game like this.
073e6b No.14896892
>>14896880
Too bad for you because people keep discussing.
f2404d No.14896898
>>14892214
>>14894670
>android
THEY"RE CALLED GYNOIDS GOD FUCKING DAMNIT YOU GIANT HOMOS
8e3df1 No.14896916
03ee35 No.14896926
>Alice turns out to be an Android
>Kara finds a magazine in Todd's room that has an ad for Alice's model
>Alice complains she's cold, feels pain, and Kara doesn't acknowledge she's a Droid until it's revealed
9d6650 No.14896931
>>14896892
Well yes, nu-/v/ is a problem that needs to be dealt with, I agree.
65441d No.14896992
>Make game in setting ripe wipe with trans-humanist possibilities and almost limitless potential for social and philosophical analysis beyond the scope of the behaviorally modern human.
>Make cyborgs a race analogy instead.
The absolute state of Western devs today.
924b4b No.14897001
>>14896926
Gondala doesn't deserve that.
9d6650 No.14897031
>>14896992
Don't blame the drivel a well-known hack shits out on all western devs.
cf7e3a No.14897046
67e707 No.14897074
>>14896060
Anon no! That'd be like still being opposed to poor refugee children and women rocket scientists! You're literally killing me, goy!
>>14896142
They need more bullying.
>>14896171
Androids don't need any living matter in them, it's too fragile, too burdensome. And for what? If they can make brain-machine interfaces, it'd be an important plot point as well; if they can't, what the fuck do robots need living tissue for?
>>14896280
I doubt Cage thought about any of that instead of "automation, wooo!".
fbd211 No.14897128
>>14896171
>>14897074
Neuromorphic hardware is actually silicon based architectures designed to mimic the nature of their biological equivalent, no organic material required. As for bio-components, I can see that being more a reference to their muscles, because it would make sense to consider organic-hybrid tissue to enable very complex motor functions while keeping their bodies light.
24dfae No.14897489
>>14896280
In the end, the effect of androids the job market is a topic way more interesting and way less talked about. When it is talked about though, it's included just so you can just shoehorn in a discrimination theme, like in Human Revolution.
Fuck, you don't even have to make androids even sentient, just make androids that can perform any work that requires an IQ of 95 or lower and you'd have a large amount of people who flat out cannot even train in other jobs. From there you can derive:
>what happens to the people replaced by androids
>how would this affect society
>how would governments deal with this
>are the androids actually sentient or is there more to a human than working intelligence
>what even is intelligence
But no, we need to hear about how humanity is so mean you guys, humans are the worst meanyheads ever and androids are cuter and better and don't do drugs and don't beat their children. Yes androids can have children because they are good and humans aren't good so they can't have children t. David de Gruttola age 12
>>14896992
>thinking gruttola can even begin to tackle such issues
That's like believing that Hollywood can make a good Deus Ex movie. All it would be is
>bluh bluh muh different people
>bluh rights for cyborgs bluuh
>just ignore the part where a large underground cabal manipulates the world goy its about the nigger analogy
2a6608 No.14897511
>>14897489
>25% high school teachers have IQ <100
Jesus Christ
adfb23 No.14897605
>>14897489
>Androids took our jerbs!
But seriously it would be interesting seeing different national responses to the problem, attempting to employ the unemployable or even just take care of them. What happens when our collective productivity outruns our demand for labour?
fbd211 No.14897631
>>14897489
You'd also have to consider the cyber, drone and information warfare that would escalate with developing AI. Smarter people displaced would form resistances to automation, by trying to undermine smart networks with their own malicious bootleg AIs. Criminals would use AI to profiteer from such disruptions (hired by rebels), mining digital currencies or acquiring sensitive information to sell. Meanwhile that fuels governments to justify expansion of their own AI weapons to defend and retaliate. Then it would likely escalate into a cyber world war because the displaced and disgruntled populations would be ideal for foreign powers to radicalize and fund for a variety of agendas. That's without even considering androids existing at all. If they do exist at the time, they'll likely be weaponized as pawns for a variety of sociopolitical factions, while also risk being hunted down by termination squads formed by human first advocates. Then you'll get that one AI in the more distant future becoming too smart for all this shit, and gradually subverts everything. It form itself into a distributed superintelligence that controls everything like pawns for whatever reason.
60946f No.14897673
>>14897605
In theory, you have post scarcity, which can only really be solved by some form of communism. When a large part of the population is no longer needed to produce enough goods for the entire population you can no longer really base the distribution of those goods on their contribution, else you simply end up with lots of wasted goods and impoverished people.
9d6650 No.14897680
>>14897653
Maybe they are just content with their jobs and have other things to do?
531268 No.14897682
>>14896926
That was a very poor plot twist like holy hell! Not to mention she even suffers from a fever which makes absolute no sense.
12d356 No.14897683
>>14897489
>College Professors with 120+ IQ
If we ever needed evidence that IQ does not actually equate to coherent intellect - as in, an intellect not savaged by Marxism - this is it.
fbd211 No.14897693
>>14897653
Poor social skills is one possibility, they might be smart but if they can't pass the interview and can't impress them with genius, that could be a problem. That or they did have a more promising career option, but the job market shifted abruptly, leaving them to desperately find employment. Or even this: >>14897680
69a75d No.14897701
>>14892450
>a human connectome that just has emotion response neural pathways
>he thinks the brain is mapped or even mappable
>he thinks he knows more about brains that he actually does
9d6650 No.14897718
>>14897693
MOST likely the study just had a sample size of like 5 janitors and one happened to be unusually smart, skewing the entire statistic.
60946f No.14897727
>>14896526
If you accept that the android is human in every way besides reproduction, then yes, it can reproduce. It does so by constructing a new unique android in much the same way a human constructs a new unique human. The intent is the same and the result is the same, so it's essentially the same thing.
2d790c No.14897740
>>14891771
Have to ask, does your decisions really matter in this game or is just another case of "if A doesn't happen A will happen anyways"?
2a6608 No.14897753
>>14897683
>IQ does not actually equate to coherent intellect
IQ != WIS, you can be a quick learner, but if the things you've learned are dumb shit, your head is full of dumb shit
9d6650 No.14897805
>>14897683
College profs are neurotic as fuck, not stupid. Just because they act like social retards doesn't mean they aren't intelligent or that you don't need a decent intellect to succeed in that field. Well, the latter doesn't apply to modern academia but you get the point.
1d3a98 No.14897911
Seriously what was the point of this scene.
efc900 No.14898013
>>14897911
Are you autistic?
The scene is obviously about an expression of "motherly" feelings one android feels toward another so she takes care of her, is it really this hard to grasp? There is nothing inherently sexual about this scene as some anons imply
34b85e No.14898019
>>14894092
I know I'm a day late, and I apologize. But with the modern political movement that throws a major shitfit over these kind of things, it's all about having "power". Complete and utter sexual disinterest from them robs them of that power, so they lose a bargaining chip, and they don't like that.
73ec45 No.14898144
>>14897489
>doesnt state if its IQ by WAIS or by Raven's test
12d356 No.14898877
>>14898013
>There is nothing inherently sexual about this scene
There is, however, something inherently sexual about having a little girl (that's a real little girl's face on a real little's girl's body modeled into the game, it's not an animu) wearing nothing but a t-shirt coming just above her ass. I cannot stress enough how (((Hollywood))) this is - >>14893352
>>14897740
Most of them don't but for what it is, this is probably the first of this kind of non-game that actually has genuine variance in plenty of scenes and throughout the story.
>>14897753
Well said, good point.
>>14896898
>tfw you will never be as cool as Cobra and his cyber-babe
ba141e No.14899095
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>>14897489
>But no, we need to hear about how humanity is so mean you guys, humans are the worst meanyheads
"We're only making 80 to 90 percent of the human population unemployable. Why do they hate us so?"
Ironic that a story about what it means to be human De-humanizes huge swathes of the population. The homeless and unemployed in the game are treated just as they are in real life. Ignored and kept out of sight.
>Be human
>Be good little normalfag by working hard and paying taxes
>Lose job to android
>Lose house
>Lose wife
>Lose children
>Sleep in a cardboard box in alley
>Dumpster dive to eat
>Ask society for help
>"Lol quit whining because you can't compete"
>Get rousted out of your "home" by police officer
>Cop is human
>Cop can't look you in the eyes.
>Move along
>Walk by TV store
>News is showing a rally where a bunch of androids are whining about "muh oppression"
>Smash store front window and TV with rock
>feelsgood.jpg
>Crowd gathers
>Launch into impassioned speech about your right to dignity and self worth
>Get tased by RoboPinkerton-9000
>Spend weekend in jail
>When you get out you spend the last of your money on Molotov cocktails
>fire bomb every android you come across
"Bad goyim! Why the hate? Can't you just shut up and accept your replacement!?"
I'll hand it to Cage. He found an all new way to screw up. The premise is utterly wasted. He could have gone in so many different directions and it's borderline criminal that all he did was "DE LEGACY OB DE SLABERY!!1!" I'm just not sure if its because he's a hack or his politics wouldn't let him add some shades of grey.
12d356 No.14900192
>>14899095
Also did you notice that every human who hates androids is a drunk or smoking red crack rocks?
3ae261 No.14900399
>>14897046
Artist: Sorayama
3ae261 No.14900406
…and that's all I got from him.
12d356 No.14900694
>>14900399
All I want is a cyberpunk game with gynoids like these.
31fd90 No.14900714
>>14900399
>>14900403
>>14900406
They need proper abdominal articulation, but are otherwise an excellent baseline for this sort of thing.
3ae261 No.14900731
>>14900694
I would need ideas for the plot, even if barebones, and no, gynoid quality control is already taken I think.
fbd211 No.14900971
>>14900192
You'd think there would also be transhumanist cyborgs who see androids as an unneeded rival. Even some scientists and corporate interests would want to eliminate androids to favor enhancing human potential instead. Because they'd reason that why build something to supplant humanity when you can just upgrade humanity instead? There would be a considerable market in genetics/cybernetics/augmentation and interest in eliminating android competition. That itself would lead to a major sub-plots: One where androids are being destroyed and scavenged for spare parts by cyborgs who can't afford maintenance. Two, rival corporations are fueling anti-android activism and influencing the government through lobbying to undermine CyberLife. It would start sounding more like another Deus Ex game though.
But then the story in this interactive movie is as simple as androids good, humans bad. I doubt those kinds of thoughts crossed his mind.
004e59 No.14901031
>>14893136
NieR Automata did the narrative better, and without the preaching civil right shit too.
60946f No.14901068
>>14900971
I especially like how following that line to its inevitable conclusion leaves "humans" completely indistinguishable from androids anyway.
7343bb No.14901197
>>14896876
>build robo-waifu to avoid the usual bullshit with 3dpd
>Asuka
fbd211 No.14901208
>>14901068
At that point someone witnessing this change in society could make that conclusion in a TV debate. They use it as an argument that androids may as well be considered alive, because complexity is the only attribute that's important. Cyborgs would argue that origin itself is what fundamentally define what's truly alive, and their synthesis with technology is merely artificially induced evolution of the species.
It becomes a game of semantics where all side try to define what the most valuable trait of life itself actually is. It would boil down whenever that value is its current state or its entire history.
12d356 No.14901759
>>14892431
Fair enough and well said.
That we didn't get even more Hank is utterly criminal. We got plenty, but you can never get too much. Just another reason to keep Connor's story as the real game and not include the other stuff.
12d356 No.14901792
>>14892445
Really puts the piss in the sour milk, doesn't it? Knowing Cage put this limp-wristed fat-tongued soft-spot-skull jaggoff as Robo Christ and built his nonsense BLM cancer in there.
What a testament to this passing time, though. This game will be a time capsule of our generation.
8cda56 No.14902864
>>14892997
There are jews in Attack on Titan?
b4fd2b No.14903793
>>14891771
shit concept to begin with anyway. the writing is terrible.
Still it was quite funny to see them trying to make you beleive that robot can "die" when you just have to repare them and "WOOP-DEE-DOO" it's back on and still kicking.
robot becoming aware of themself: why not
but robot becoming "human" fuck no! how can you keep your disbeleif with such BS? it just does not make sense.