/v/ - Video Games

>>14596363

It's still my favorite title to date, and I've played every title except for Triforce Heroes.

The only reason people hate it is because they heard other people hate it and the meme got stuck in public consciousness. Very few people have authentic opinions.

It was alright. For better or worse the game doesn't have a true overworld, stages are effectively split into "dungeon approach" and "dungeon interior." Items were fun and some of the bosses were interesting. Dungeons themselves were kinda short but they did cool things. Simon-says combat is either clever or annoying.

I give it a not bad/10.

It's pretty shit, but breath of the wild is worse.

It's really bad. There's a really good foundation of a game that they do nothing with. It's got a gorgeous LOD filter that makes the distance look like watercolors, but they don't give you anything interesting to look at besides clouds. It has a really interesting combat system with nearly perfect control, but it only stands to service terrible, bland Simon-says combat. It's formulaic as fuck, with you simply following all the signs from the beginning of the game to the end. The backtracking is fucking horrible, with you going to every dungeon exactly twice to get the second dungeon behind the first, in order. Peppermint kisses is an interesting villain, but doesn't do enough before he gets turned into a sword. The worst part of the game is Fi. "Master, I've detected with 97% probability that there is a key hidden under that rock right there, and then you need to use that to go through that locked door over there, and then use the dowsing to get a literal path through the rest of the dungeon". The whole fucking game.

At least Groose is all good.

>>14596435

Absolutely not. Breath of the Wild isn't great, but it's not a fucking 20-hour tutorial like Squidward Sword. Get some perspective.

>Zelda past the n64/gba era

>good

>>14596448

You're supposed to turn hints off you neanderthal. That's for 8 year olds who got SS for Christmas.

>>14596363

Id say its the worst one having played all of them. You fight 2 bosses 4 times and 3 times respectively, and the combat is super hit or miss, literally and figuratively. Sometimes my sword swung perfectly and sometimes it went in a direction i didnt swing. Im sick of the fucking stamina mechanic thats just there to slow everything down because it feels like Link has been getting slower in every fucking 3D title so you want to sprint everywhere. There are only 3 main areas minus the hub. The upgrade system is unneeded and shops in general feel unneeded. You also cant carry every item you get from the start. The art direction is this weird mishmash of cell shading the more serious look of Twilight Princess and in my opinion it doesnt work, they got it right with Breath of the Wild.

The only good things are the writing and the characters in terms of personality. This game imo has the best Zelda in any of the games as well as one of the better written villains. It also has motherfucking Groose who is actually kind of relatable.

Link looks 56% in SS, tbhfam.

If it wasn't made around the Wii motion plus it could have been a good game, but as it turned out its just Simon says with swordplay, hit me downwards, hit me sideways, hit me diagonally

>>14596474

This is when they stopped being subtle about Link and Zelda fucking after the credits roll. "Only the blood of the goddess…"

Which means someone knocked her up, and who else would do that.

>>14596482

Nice Shareblue meme.

>>14596363

AoL > LoZ > LA > LttP > MM > OoT > OoA > OoS > TP > BotW > most of the rest >>>>>>>>>>> WW > SS

>>14596455

>20 hour tutorial

Oh god I forgot. The game had almost Pokémon X/Y levels of handholding.

Did that shit improve in hero mode?

Remember how Twilight Princess brought in the best sidekick, Midna? Well Fi is here to remind you of Navi in spades. The motion controls are a mixed bag, with the whip and any aimed weapons working a treat. The sword stuff works fairly well too despite the obvious telegraphing of how to slash. It's also appreciated that you can zip around on vines and ladders instead of the tedious slow climb of TP. Sadly most of the control stuff is gimmicky and stupid.

What they did a solid effort with in this is the dungeons. I can't think of a single bad one, and Ancient Cistern is one of my favourites in any of the games. Any of the parts involving time crystals tend to be really cool as well.

>>14596389

It doesn't deserve to be a favourite game in any universe but it's far from bad.

>>14596527

Hero mode improves the difficulty (more damage, no hearts in the wild) but it doesn't remove much of the handholding stuff outside of some cutscenes being skippable.

Its pretty bad. I think its awfulness in particular is what that lead to people sucking BotW's dick despite it being a Skyrim reskin with less content.

>>14596536

Groose was the only thing I liked about Skyward Sword.

>>14596458

You can make Fi stop talking to you for the entire game, and you can make the mandatory dowsing sections non-mandatory? Oh wait, it turns out you can't turn that shit off, and you can't make Fi not randomly jump out and say "Master, there's a 87% chance that this is the key for the boss door."

>>14596619

>trying this hard to defend one of the worst Zelda games

>>14596619

I didn't confuse shit, you idiot. I had hints off. If the dialog is Fi coming out unprompted to tell me what to do at least twice in every fucking dungeon, then what are you even arguing?

You told me to turn off something that wouldn't even fix the problem, then called me an idiot for pointing out that it doesn't fix the problem.

>>14596619

Boy I sure do love Nintendo localized dialogue shoved in my face that completely stops the game and cannot be skipped

I wonder how they'll handle an eventual remake of it considering the use of WiiMotionPlus is integral to various gameplay mechanics and puzzles.

>>14596694

Nigga everything has a gyroscope sensor these days.

>>14596694

its never getting remade.

>>14596363

Protip: all of the replies you'll ever get in this thread are from people, so you're essentially asking for the same "as people make it out to be" opinions that you already doubt.

If we say "yes, it is as shit as people make it out to be", you are still faced with a choice of believing what people say or not.

If we say "no, it is not as shit as people make it out to be", you are still faced with a choice of believing what people say or not.

>>14596666

> satan quads

You wanted (you)s? Well, you got 'em.

Is this entire thread bait or are there people who actually think SS is a good game? I played it. three fucking times as a matter of fact. Three times because it may be one of the most offensively bad games I've played and it amazes me how they fucked up so bad. If you want to experience pure tedium and annoyment then give SS a try. Just don't buy anything first party… or for over $20.

>>14596751

why did you play it three fucking times?

I struggled to go through it a single time

>>14596759

It's a good lesson on how not to design an adventure game and for some reason that fascinates me.

>>14596448

>>14596423

These pretty much cover what I think. That and turning Ganon into some god's reincarnated butthurt ruins the character.

>>14596363

According to the Zelda cycle it should be starting to be remembered fondly and the "It wasn't that bad" should appear frequently in discussions about it as people start to hate on BotW more and more. The latter is happening, but the former isn't as clear cut. Skyward Sword was really, really hated when it came out, more than any other game in the series for sure.

I personally didn't hate it. It had some good moments, but so many layers of fat that could be cut down and some weird structural decisions that simply didn't work. The desert is cool, some dungeons are pretty good, but overall the game is one of the weaker ones in the series if not the weakest. It is a good, albeit deeply flawed, game.

>>14596866

>Skyward Sword was really, really hated when it came out, more than any other game in the series for sure.

And it will continue to be until Nintendo manages to improve how bad their games are. The Zelda Cycle's never been real and you know it.

>It is a good, albeit deeply flawed, game.

Normally when I eat trash I don't look at the positive aspects as to how the trash tastes. The game has good aspects to it. But it's in the incredibly small minority. Anything positive you can give this game can be given 2 or more negatives.

>>14596498

Why Groose of course.

>>14596726

Why did you post a picture of someone's face with no text?

>>14596363

It's even worse

>>14596389

>everyone who has an opinion different to mine is a sheep

>>14596389

how to spot a teenager

>>14596694

Joycons got wagglin, so it's an easy port.

The game was pretty half-baked. The only time I enjoyed myself was during the last fight with demise. Everything else was a blur.

I tried replaying the game last year. I dropped after completing the first dungeon. Everything feels like a chore rather than an adventure.

You can't play the game for more than 3 hours without getting cramps. Motion controls were a mistake.

Hero mode was the way the game was meant to be played, but you have to finish the game first to be able to unlock it. During hero mode, Demise does a whopping 8 hearts of damage per hit, which made the fight actually enjoyable.

Overall, the game is like every Zelda game that came out after the 2000. Full of potential, but rushed and gimmicky.

>>14596363

So, here is the thing with this fucking game. The Zelda series is the only thing by Nintendo I have been following and playing since the beginning, besides F Zero BUT FUCKING R I P.

It is a good game

BUT

Only if you play it with a controller, emulator and proper mapping. The fact that the game is an a million times better of with a ps2/xbox 360 controller is pretty sad for Nintendo's sake. As for is it a good game/ Zelda game. Yes, but the series hasn't been anything impressive since Link's Awakening/ 2d area cause it lost all its charm.

>>14596817

You should make a (((video essay))) about it.

>>14597265

I'd probably watch it if it was an hour or more

>>14596363

It's babby mode Zelda. They reuse the regions a little to much. There's a real disconnect between the sky and the ground. Also wagglan. Other than that it's not a bad game at all.

>>14596503

>BotW being higher than anything

Get the fuck out.

>>14597316

BotW is easily better than SS which will always be the worst in the franchise. But he's retarded for putting it above anything else.

>>14596547

That time travel aspect made the backtracking part more bearable, because at least you see a whole new side to everything.

It has the best Zelda and also Groose

Other than that it’s shit

It has only one boring town and no sense of exploration at all.

>>14597210

Could you use words please?

>>14596363

Well, whether bad or good, it's almost the exact opposite of the original Legend of Zelda. Zelda 1 focuses on very open-ended exploration of a large, sprawling overworld. SS focuses on tight, almost linear world design, with the intention of treating the whole world like one expansive dungeon. Zelda 1 gives you almost no direction, relying on you to figure out where to go. SS makes sure to let you know where you're supposed to be going, at all times. Zelda 1's enemies are just moving obstacles and not a large focus. SS tries to make you fight most enemies like a duel, putting extreme focus on the combat and its mechanics. People aren't going to like SS, if they're expecting a game that tries to retain even a little bit of the series' origins.

Why do Nintendo only make good games anymore? Even their shitty games are at least passable

>>14600163

Why did you post a picture of someone's face with no text?

THE ZELDA CYCLE IS REAL ANON

Skyward Sword is better than breath of the open world meme

>>14596503

>putting 2d with 3d

3D:

OoT = MM > WW > TP > SS > BOTW

2D:

LttP > LA > OoS = OoA > LbW> MC > Four Swords Adventures > LoZ > AoL

>>14602249

That's not saying much

>>14602267

Now we're communicating. Though I did not intend for my reply to be humorous.

>>14602407

I'm sorry I only played fifteen of the seventeen games released, anon.

>>14602398

>A Link Between Worlds

>Anywhere near top

>Anything other than a poor copy of A Link to the Past

>>14602398

>I don't know how anyone can say that BotW was worse than WW or SS.

Maybe it's because it took the worst aspect of both of these games, the empty boring open world, and made it even bigger and more boring.

I like it more than Twilight Princess. That game was truly pointless.

>let's make Ocarina of Time, but not as good

I have Ocarina of Time already. why would I ever want to play Twilight Princess? Skyward Sword at least had some cool unique things going on.

>>14603118

The best thing of TP were its dungeons.

>>14602398

This meme about LA being better than LttP really needs to fuck off. Nothing but nostalgiafags being hipsters. LttP blows LA out of the water in content and quality of content. LA was great, but it was still crippled by being a gameboy game with limited elaboration. Mind you I really enjoyed its dungeons but LttP shits on it on amount of content as well as the overworld/open world. LA is also very "Metroid Fusion"ish with hand holding and world branching while LttP simply tells you where you're supposed to go and that's it.

If it weren't for obligatory motion controls, I think it would be more popular. My favorite Zelda will always be Twilight Princess.

It's certainly one of the weakest entries of the franchise; there's only one memorable area (sea desert) and the rest of them are meh, it doesn't help that you have to go through them multiple times, the sky is somehow worse than the WW's sea since its even more empty, Fi is cute but lacks any sense of personality until the end of thr game, two bosses get recycled at least three times, the doors that require motion controls feel intrusive and the side quests are forgettable.

The best thing the game has to offer are some of the characters Like Groose and Zelda

>>14603170

ALttP feels like an awkward growing pains phase to me. It doesn't have the myserious, barren vibe of the NES games, but it hasn't yet arrived at the more fun, quirky place the series would get to with LA and OOT. It just has kind of a dull, generic fantasy atmosphere. A good game, but lacking in personality, while LA has that in spades.

>>14603170

The item system of the Gameboy games is better. Being able to equip two different items, and having jump items.

>>14596363

It's still one of best Zeldas around. An excellent game overall. It just has the trouble of being in a series full of gaming's greatest masterpieces. With such prestigious predecessors, fans are a lot quicker to notice whatever flaws SS may have in comparison.

>>14602261

>putting LoZ and specifically AoL last

>putting LttP first

I can tell babby's first console was SNES

>>14596363

No, at least it's an actual Zelda game, unlike Skyrim of the Wild.

>>14596503

BotW isn't even a real Zelda game, anymore than Link's Crossbow Training or Zelda Musou. It's just TES: Zelda

it was fucking boring somehow. Like twilight princess, music was largely mediocre. Revisiting old areas was lazy and that pit monster was cancer

Pretty underwhelming all in all. Not the most memorable game of the series tbh

The crafting isn't that great, just several upgrades of shields and items. You have a shitty sword until you start quickly upgrading it through a few quests until you get the master sword. There's barely a sense of progression there.

The idea with potions is that you will need elixirs and potions to make your way through the game. I never needed them at all until hero's mode which I didn't complete because it's literally the same game all over again except enemies hit slightly harder and there's no random hearts from drops. A pitiful 'hard' mode.

Combat is sort of hit and miss as others have said, original concept but you end up getting bored of it quickly, it limits you to having to target things specifically and you'll be fighting at most 5 enemies at a time anyway.

Dungeons are utterly forgetful, the plot was sort of all over the place with most of it being Girhirrim or whatever the fuck his name was cucking Link of his beloved Zelda waifu.

It's an entirely skippable game. But it's like the only game that makes use of the Wii's sensitive controller plugin (which I still to this day fail to understand what exactly it does)

The ending is shit and the final boss was sort of bullshit

I did like the trials with the spirits that chased you mercilessly. Pleasantly spoopy

THE CHAD

>>14596619

>le smug anime hehe

>imagine

At least make an attempt to not be as cuckchan as possible my man

>>14603411

>wanting your open world empty

>muh quirky storyline

subjective. LttP is still great gameplay wise,

>>14603430

a sound argument, in which I'd agree to a degree, except the sword is also an item for the two binds, pretty much being just 1 bind like in LttP for sub-weaponry. it does have more customization, I guess.

>>14604276

Not really. LoZ is simply outdated if you take out your nostalgia goggles. Same with AoL.

>>14605676

The reason Skyward Sword is lackluster in other areas is because of its heavy focus on development for its combat, while other areas didn't get the same attention. Skyward Sword is a hallway, but a fun one. But at least SS has a level of craft. BOTW is just an open world meme that is just boring by structure and boring in design.

>>14607070

>the combat

>fun

>the other areas are bad because they focused on the combat

Did you write any of this with a straight face? Are you that delusional that you think those working on the combat are the same ones working on the other assets or that it somehow bleeds away talent from those areas? The combat isn't even good, it is motion control cancer.

>>14596363

Yes, it's the worst game in a mediocre franchise.

>>14607143

it cannot be stated enough that no 3D zelda games are good. Once you've played one you have played them all.

>>14607066

>LoZ is simply outdated

Keen observation there nigger, since it is an 8-bit game, its going to be outdated in some ways. However, no Zelda game has done everything LoZ does. They may do some of what it does, and some of that may be arguably better, but they don't do enough of it for it to be "outdated" in the sense of gameplay.

Here's an example, LttP's has bombable walls in a 16 bit game with better graphics, but LttP's bombable walls are casualized highlighted cracks in the wall any retarded child who got an SNES could find. Which makes it funny that tapping such cracks makes the sound for a bombable wall (as was introduced in LoZ) when there's no fucking need to do so, it's like the developers had second thoughts about the intelligence of children to actually have to explore and think.

>Same with AoL

What Zelda game after does even half of AoL's gameplay, or even some of it as well as it? The only reason faggots dislike AoL is because it required motor skills unlike the first game, was different (hence autists crying about change), and toddlers who can't handle anything that isn't "good graphics."

>>14607161

Yeah, it's not like there are false cracked walls on dungeons on LttP, which if you tap them don't make that sound.

But you're right, it's better to have no indication whatsoever, so you have to grind bombs and rupees and bomb every wall-sprite on the entire game.

It's not that they did it so kids had to call the nintendo helpline, no sir.

>>14607188

>Yeah, it's not like there are false cracked walls on dungeons on LttP, which if you tap them don't make that sound.

The only ones I can think of are off center and obviously not paths to other rooms

>grind bombs

implying you never have an abundance of bombs in LttP

>grind rupees

implying you don't find several chests with 300 rupees in them in easy to find places, or that you can't just go into the cave under the rock that gives you 20 rupees under four pots right next to the ice wand cave

>>14607195

oh and for that matter, what else do you even NEED bombs for in LttP other than walls? In LoZ you need them for dodongos, but in LttP? Just walls, even though all bombable walls have cracks

>>14607195

Gotta love how you cherrypicked my counter-argument and ignored the main point.

But you're right, knowing LttP's bombs are capped at 50max, it makes proves your point of having to bomb every sprite-wall on the entire game.

That wouldn't get annoying, nor having to backtrack everytime to a merchant to replenish bombs, just to then re-backtrack again to get to the point you were and continue mindlessly bombing everything.

Yeah, because wasting your time just to find a cave with 100-500 rupees seems worth it, and more thanks to your idea of having to waste money to buy bombs just to find that cave in the first place.

Really nigger, do you even think about what you're writing?

>>14607219

>>it makes proves your point of having to bomb every sprite-wall on the entire game.

>when every bombable wall is easily visible y-you gotta bomb every sprite

Sad.

>>That wouldn't get annoying, nor having to backtrack everytime to a merchant to replenish bombs,

>except that you don't have to bomb every sprite, and finding free bombs isn't fucking hard either

>>Yeah, because wasting your time just to find a cave with 100-500 rupees seems worth it, and more thanks to your idea of having to waste money to buy bombs just to find that cave in the first place.

>wasting your time

>takes a minute to run from one side of Hyrule to the other, tops

>>Really nigger, do you even think about what you're writing?

Do you?

>>14607230

Dunno, you're the one defending that bombable walls shouldn't have cracks/indications because it's "casualized".

I'm argumenting why that's retarded (waste of time/resources) and you're sperging about ignoring every fact i'm pointing out.

>>14607236

>Dunno, you're the one defending that bombable walls shouldn't have cracks/indications because it's "casualized".

So that's what bothered you so much. LttP isn't a bad game, nor is it casual. It does have casualized elements compared to LoZ though, and it does lake gameplay elements that LoZ has.

Though you are right, I don't think bombable walls should be so easy to spot that I never have a need to test them, and your defense about running low of bombs isn't even a threat in LttP.

>>14596666

>I was only pretending to be retarded!

>>14596457

Link Between Worlds is alright. I enjoyed it for what is was.

>>14607288

>baww

Assblasted, confirmed.

>That's not fun, that's just tedious.

>exploration is tedious

Great way to highlight being an SNES kiddy. You're the reason why real exploration was removed from the series in favor of "I had to walk into a room, so that means I explored" shit.

>AoL is shit. If i want to play a platformer, I go play mario.

>imply AoL and Mario play the same

Jumping doesn't make the two games remotely similar.

>AoL is just boring in gameplay, and you're being a major pretentious hipster for concocting a narrative that the game is good in any way shape or form in present day.

>you like a game just because you're a hipster

>>/cuckchan/

>On the other hand I can pop OoT, MM or LttP today and the game is still as fun as it was back then.

>i.e. easy

>>14607288

Truth be told, he sounds more like a fag that played with a walk-through guide by his side, so he didn't live the joy of having to bomb everything blindly just in case you were going to miss something important.

Anyone that played it blind knows that shit was to get shekels from the kids playing, jewtendo loved to put that cryptic near-impossible things to make them pay for the helpline.

Same with him defending AoL, the main criticism of that game is, again, cryptic shit JUST to progress.

I wonder why there still isn't a Zelda game where you have more than one option for the sidekick.

>>14607345

You are absolutely correct. It is not challenging or enjoyable. It's just tedious. Cryptic shit to progress was a jew tactic of those times that is no longer profitable. That fag is literally defending jewish practices.

>>14607349

>pathetic. Then again, a predictable comeback for a boomer trying to be hip

>boomer

I was born in 1984, and you are obviously mad.

>spamming bombs

>lmao Faggot just stop posting

Did you even play LoZ? You can tell a bombable wall by hitting it with your sword, you don't need to bomb randomly or see casualized cracks.

>All Zeldas are easy.

>So only play the easiest of the bunch!

How much of a faggot can you be?

>>14607345

>y-you had a guide

No, actually I never owned a guide for a Zelda game, or even needed to use one. The only obtuse things in LoZ are burnable bushes, everything else is relatively simple to figure out. AoL doesn't even have cryptic shit in it, only a retard who has never played it for more than five minutes would think it did.

>>14607407

Sorry, you laid the bait on too thick. Not biting anymore.

>>14607420

Last time I dignify you with a response, old man. Your nostalgia emotional attachment is larger than your ability to utilize logic and accountability. Begone.

>>14607398

>Talks about bait

<But says AoL doesn't even have cryptic shit

<Bombable walls without any indication is fine

<B-but bushes a-are not

Fuck off hypocrite

>>14607430

>p-please bite

Here's a free (you)

>>14607436

>AoL

>bombable walls

LOL

>>14607441

Oh, so you also lack reading comprehension.

Stay on reddit, you will be fine there.

>>14596423

/thread

It's shit

>>14607066

I want it empty and mysterious, or full of memorable characters. Not what ALttP was.

Honestly LttP is pretty casualized. Rupees are easy to amass and there is hardly anything to spend them on. Arrows barely have a use despite also being easy to get from enemies/pots/etc. Each set of dungeons is clearly labeled on the map so there is no possibility of mistaking the giant structures on said map for something other than a dungeon. The addition of bottles fairies adds a form of regenerating health to the game so that even the dumbest retard can power through. Not that anyone with any brains would risk dying very often anyway.

It's all downhill from there.

>>14597265

If I had the energy I would honestly. But there's already pretty solid videos out there that highlight what's wrong with the game.

It is and always has been a mixed bag of mediocrity. It has some good ideas in it, but they're countered by a shit ton of soul-crushing, boring filler content.

Now Twilight Princess, there's a game that's shit.

>>14608169

>empty and mysterious

empty means no content. I don't want SotC empty pretentious shit on my games.

LttP was all about gameplay, not about being empty (lacking in content) or character design.

In its defense, with 3D and the technology moving forward we have much more leeway for more emphasis in character design.LttP is pretty in its spritework.

>>14608208

Valid argument regarding rupees.

>>14596363

Good story, good visuals, decent presentation for the most part, shit controls, and mediocre gameplay.

Some dungeons are pretty-good but most are average at-best. Boss fights are repetitive as fuck and not all that memorable.

It's a mixed-bag, worth-trying but if you drop it before finishing it I wouldn't blame you. It's likely going to age the worst of any Zelda game especially-due to its controls.

>TOP-TIER

Majora's Mask

A Link to the Past

Link's Awakening

>Great-Tier

Ocarina of Time

Twilight Princess

Wind Waker

Oracle of Ages/Seasons

The Minish Cap

A Link Between Worlds

The Adventure of Link

>Okay-Tier

Zelda 1 (deserves credit for establishing the series and innovating and all that, but it's a really hard pill to swallow if you didn't grow-up when this game was new or don't have a guide handy, maybe not as much-so as the first Metroid but still)

Skyward Sword

Breath of the Wild

Four Swords and Adventures

>Meh-Tier

Spirit Tracks

Triforce Heroes

>Shit-Tier

Phantom Hourglass

The CD-I Games (at-least the memes were good)

>>14619294

I largely agree with you, but BotW on Wii U has been a decent time sink, and it's nice to go on a monster-killing spree. Too bad the difficulty curve is a sharp drop off a plateau, reference intentional. I killed Ganon's stupid ass with less effort than I killed the first mandatory Lynel.

>>14619294

Move OoT to top

Move BotW to meh

move AoL to okay

put crossbow training on shit

>>14619294

I don't think you have to have grown up with Zelda 1 to enjoy it. I played it for the first time at 16 a decade ago and I loved it. Zelda 2 is a little more frustrating.

>>14619365

Zelda 2 separates the weak from the strong. It is no mere game, but a test of faith and patience. I see too many retards just ramming into enemies in it, then complain that it's "Nintendo hard". Please. Castlevania is Nintendo Hard. Zelda 2 is just unforgiving of idiocy.

>>14619294

god tier:

gurumin

legend of oasis

beyond oasis

mystical ninja starring goemon

crusader of centy

linkle liver story

okami

3d dot game heroes

>>14619383

Part of me wishes that we'd gotten more games in the same formula. Not even as a Zelda game since Cadash exists. But there is something about Zelda 2 I really like, but it was still a rough game and could use some modern improvements like better spell management and maybe some special inputs to increase move options.

>>14596363

>(1)

Every fucking time

>>14619383

There's a difference between challenging and punishing.

All extremes are bad. It is good that a game has no hand holding, show don't tell policy. However if it goes to the extremes like LaMulana does with the punishing it gets tedious and a turn off to keep playing (repeating same rooms that you already mastered to get back to the juicy part, etc)

Zelda 2 is not hard or challenging in the right way, just punishing. Im ok with its level of punish, however it is very outdated in terms of quick back to the juicy bits part. Especially with its move options its simply not really a fair when it comes to punish. Zelda 2 is a game that it is perfectly ok to quick save just to spare yourself the bureocracy and waste of time of getting back to the part that is challenging. In Summation, it is outdated in its way of punishing the player. Megaman did it right, because the gameplay is much more fast paced, and even then there's a checkpoint mid stage. Zelda 2 is just too dated in both gameplay and structure to be OOT/MM/LttP/LA top tier. by no means it is bad, it's just dated. And this is coming from someone who has beaten it easily.

>>14619484

Nothing else to do in the basement

>>14619482

>There's a difference between challenging and punishing

Like how AoL is challenging and only a casual would consider it punishing?

>Zelda 2 is not hard or challenging in the right way, just punishing.

Oh, boy, I can't wait to see where this goes.

>Im ok with its level of punish, however it is very outdated in terms of quick back to the juicy bits part.

<outdated

What a meme

>Especially with its move options its simply not really a fair when it comes to punish. Zelda 2 is a game that it is perfectly ok to quick save just to spare yourself the bureocracy and waste of time of getting back to the part that is challenging.

>I dieded and hads no checkpoint :(

>In Summation, it is outdated in its way of punishing the player.

In summation you're a redundant faggot who has said a whole lot of nothing.

>Megaman did it right, because the gameplay is much more fast paced, and even then there's a checkpoint mid stage.

>where are my checkpoints :(

>Zelda 2 is just too dated in both gameplay and structure to be OOT/MM/LttP/LA top tier. by no means it is bad, it's just dated. And this is coming from someone who has beaten it easily.

>I beat it easily, but WHERE ARE MUH CHECKPOINTS!?

>t. faggot who admittedly savescums

It's decent enough that you should play just because it is crucial to the series lore.

>>14621037

>It's decent enough that you should play just because it is crucial to damaging the series lore.

FTFY

>>14621037

Who plays Zelda for the writing?

>>14620709

I didn't savescum on AoL. I am simply defending people who do because it stands within reason.

Zelda 2 is a boring game. Arcraiser did it better. You have shit tastes in game genres

>>14620709

There is nothing challenging about AoL. It's easy. That's exactly my point. It's not only dated and boring in gameplay, it's also easy

not only the game is a boring tedious chore, but it's also punishing on top of that. why should I bother?

>>14619365

I actually like Zelda 2 since it plays almost-entirely different from any other game in the series. It feels much-more like a Castlevania or Metroid game in a sense. It's difficulty is also determined moreso by skill and wit rather than secret-hunting.

>>14619342

I forgot Crossbow Training existed. I'll stand by my other choices though.

Ocarina of Time was a very-great and innovative game, but it just doesn't have the edge or artistry of Majora's Mask, the timeless charm of Link's Awakening, or the nonlinearity of A Link to the Past. Still a great and memorable game though and just barely-misses being top-tier.

Breath of the Wild has its moments. There are some fun, memorable quests that genuinely gave me a similar feeling to the first time I'd played Ocarina of Time, however I feel like it's a big timesink thanks to the open world meme, making replays a bit of an intimidating prospect unless you're going for speedruns or self-imposed challenges, the enemies and bosses lack variety, and the shrines are a piss-poor substitute for proper dungeons. It's a good game, a flawed-one, but I wouldn't say it's meh-tier. It scrapes-by on its virtues and highpoints the same way Skyward Sword does.

Adventure of Link is cool, see >>14625941

>>14625886

>I didn't savescum

>It is perfectly ok to quick save

And if you meant what you claim now, then at the very least admit you worded it as shit as your opinion about the game is.

>>14619294

>PH

>not okay tier

>SS/BoTW

>not shit tier

garbage list.

>>14630173

Phantom Hourglass's controls and Ocean King Temple suck my balls off and spit them up my ass. Spirit Tracks was an improvement, but only so much so.

Skyward Sword and BotW are flawed, but not outright bad or mediocre games. I stand by my choices.

>>14596363

Better than Fedora's Mask.

>>14631410

low quality b8

Any good Zelda romhacks that are worth playing?

>>14620003

I struggle to compare OOT and MM, because to me they're two parts of one whole. They compliment each other. OOT is big, long, epic. MM is small, intricate, tells more personal stories.

But if I had to compare them directly, I guess OOT would win, just because only having four dungeons was a bit lame, and having the clock still active during dungeons was a poor design choice, in my opinion.

No, it's worse.

>>14625941

>plays almost-entirely different from any other game in the series

So does The Faces of Evil

>like a Castlevania

Dracula X is a Castlevania

>>14631755

>cdi shovelware

>game in the series

>>14631910

I've only ever finished The Minish Cap.

Started playing the original, Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time and Majoras Mask, but always stopped playing relatively early on for one reason or another.

Is this game even worth pirating? Genuinely curious.

It's the one time Egoraptor was right about anything. Yes, it's so bad it actually manages to make Arin Hanson correct about a thing.

>>14596902

>The Zelda Cycle's never been real and you know it.

I too remember how deeply beloved WW was from day one.

>>14630440

>Phantom Hourglass's controls and Ocean King Temple suck my balls off and spit them up my ass

The controls were tolerable and the Ocean King was an acquired taste. Some of it shit taste but most of the puzzles in it were serviceable. Ignoring them the other dungeons were still solid.

>Skyward Sword and BotW are flawed, but not outright bad or mediocre games

They absolutely are. SS especially. Which focused so much on the story and forced hand holding that it's almost unplayable. BoTW is just a fucking mess of poorly implemented open world mechanics that don't synergize at all. You can stand by your point but comparing them to PH, which arguably has the best story and characters in any Zelda game along with some unique dungeons and puzzles is a perfectly fine game, even if you don't enjoy the Ocean King's Temple.

>>14632920

WW was the first real departure from the old style of Zelda's. I understand why people don't like the game for that but it's objectively a solid game compared to what we have now.

>>14632920

WW isn't deeply loved now. The only thing that gives the appearance of a cycle is those who dislike the game move on, and those who like it keep talking about it.

>>14632920

I actually did love WW from day one, but it was never an OOT, and it still isn't. Maybe if they'd actually finished making it.

>>14632920

I enjoyed it. I'd get up at 5AM just to play it before school

>>14634418

You're partly to blame for nutendo.

>>14634891

>people who bought the Gamecube are to blame for nutendo

>>14625896

>pathetically easy

>overly punishing

Pick one

>>14635481

nutendo started with the n64.

>>14635499

>not gamecube

>>14635481

>people who bought the SNES are to blame for nutendo

>>14596363

A lot of the dungeons are great and the visual style it aims for is great too, it wastes a fuck load on cutscenes for a story that isn't any good, and it's core gimmick doesn't work as well as it needed to, and some parts aren't explained as well as they could be, my brother thought forcing the sword skyward meant lifing the wii-remote above his head, all he had to do was hold it upright, I'm actually glad that this and Metroid Other M exist because it's kept Nintendo from making filmic games.

It feels like someone stretched out a demo of a much bigger and better game. The Ancient Cistern and the Sand Ship are very good dungeons, the floating island area is pretty comfy and the the time stone mechanic is a fun idea, but everything else that seems interesting isl underused to the point where you question why they were included in the game in the first place. And there are at least two boss that you have to fight no less than three times, from what i remember. For whatever reason Nintendo scrapped the Zelda game they were working on in 2009 and decided to make a new game from scratch, with less than two years to spend working on it and it shows.

>>14638036

>n64 has like 15 games worth playing

>gamecube has like 18

no it started with n64. When you go from a library with hundreds of games worth playing to not even 20, and that trend continues not just for one generation, but 3 generations, there's a problem.

We'll see if it turns around this time.

>>14635495

There's a difference between something being hard and something being punishing.

>>14638357

And still being shit either way.

>>14596363

yes

>>14638263

It's almost like developers flock to consoles that sell the best.

Best story

Best villain

Best dungeons

Best combat next to botw

>>14641138

>Best combat

Wagglefag please.

>>14641148

>I refuse to move my wrists for any reason

>>14634891

>people who bought their non-shitty games are to blame for their shitty business decisions

Well fuck

>>14641468

>WW

>non-shitty

WW was a bait and switch pulled by Nintendo who baited early adopters into buying a gamecube with promises of a completely different Zelda than WW. They then conveniently sidelined all protest by claiming it was just about the art style.

There were many Zelda fans who never adopted the gamecube because of this bait and switch, and those who didn't ARE responsible for nutendo (at least partly), because they both rewarded Nintendo with money and continue to defend what they did.

>>14641508

>WW was a bait and switch pulled by Nintendo who baited early adopters into buying a gamecube with promises of a completely different Zelda than WW.

Except that they didn't. The Spaceworld demo you're referring to was shown at Spaceworld 2000, a year (two for Europe and Australia) before the Gamecube even came out. The revised Wind Waker preview was then shown in August of the following year, again before the Gamecube even came out. Nobody bought a Gamecube expecting to get the Spaceworld 2000 tech demo like you're suggesting

>>14641425

>implying

I move my wrists plenty when I finger your mother faggot.

>>14597236

Why do "people" save, let alone draw ugly grotesque shit like this? The third one is fine the others all make me want to vomit.

>>14641551

>Nobody bought a Gamecube expecting to get the Spaceworld 2000 tech demo

>Nobody bought

Thanks for proving my point, hence the Gamecube flopping and a huge drop off in Zelda fans due to the polarizing bait and switch that was WW. I never said people bought the Gamecube expecting what was shown before, I'm saying they were shown something else entirely, and then had WW thrown out instead. So a lot of former fans abandoned ship for the PS2.

>>14641574

>and then had WW thrown out instead. So a lot of former fans abandoned ship for the PS2.

Which is autistic as shit given WW is the best game in the series.

>>14641574

>I never said people bought the Gamecube expecting what was shown before,

That's exactly what you said

>WW was a bait and switch pulled by Nintendo who baited early adopters into buying a gamecube with promises of a completely different Zelda than WW

>>14641576

>WW

>best

In what regard? By being easy? By having a bland empty "world"? By having shit aesthetics? By shitting up the lore forever? You only think it was the best because you were probably eight when you got it. That's not old enough to know shit, since you never experienced better prior to your golden hued half retarded child memories.

>>14641581

Okay, you got me. However the basis of what I am saying is still true. Nintendo built up hype for their console with a demo of a completely different game than what they shat out, and then it was "true fans" vs "you just hate it because it is cell-shaded." With faggot "true fans" with no standards doubling down on defending the game and making sure to get a gamecube to play it.

>>14641584

I'm 30 so when Wind Waker came out I was 15 and had played every other Zelda game including the NES.

>By having shit aesthetics?

You mean "Waaah, it's not edgy and grim dark waaah!". WW still has great graphics to this day. You probably loved Twilight Princess.

>>14641596

>I'm 30

So you say, I'll just take you at your word there, since you know you apparently played all the Zeldas and somehow were dumb enough to claim that WW is the best.

>You mean "Waaah, it's not edgy and grim dark waaah!"

<implying it has to be edgy or grim dark not to be low effort lemon eyed grade school artwork

>>14641604

I'm sorry someone disagreeing with you and liking different games is triggering you so much, but try not to be such a salty little bitch.

>>14641606

I could care less about your shit opinion. I'm salty about what Nintendo did. I will always be salty about it. I skipped the gamecube to spite Nintendo for it.

>>14641617

If you're going to project like a motherfucker don't admit to it

>>14641617

So you admit you were an edgy teenager who hates WW only because it's art design was too bright for you? Roger. Inb4 you haven't even played it.

>>14641621

>project

>gamecube < 20mil sales

>WW < sales than MM or OoT

WW wasn't as popular as you like to pretend.

>>14641626

>So you admit you were an edgy teenager who hates WW only because it's art design was too bright for you? Roger. Inb4 you haven't even played it.

>i'll keep pretending Nintendo's low effort art was okay, y-you just wanted grimdark

>>14641636

>implying their art was low effort

Nigger, it still looks good today. Calling it low effort is just bullshit. You know nothing about art, you're just a fucking crybaby.

>>14641638

>Nigger, it still looks good today

The aesthetics never looked good. What I'm talking about is the characters. Not the world itself, how bright it is, or any of its other visuals. The characters look like shit.

>>14641643

>I keep saying "the art looks terrible"

<I'm only talking about the characters

Well that's not what you're saying autist. And even still: I disagree, the characters look great. Sorry they took some creative license in a fantasy children's game. OoT and WW had cartoonish graphics too if you really look at them.

>>14641657

>shows the bloomed out as fuck Wii U version

>wonders why it looks terrible

I think, on the Gamecube version, Link looks more expressive than he's been in any game. Not everyone is you idiot.

>>14641663

>complains about bloom

>ignores the low quality CHARACTER ART

SS and BoTW have problems, but they have far better character art than WW (which also has gameplay problems.) Keep trying to distract though, it is all you can do.

>>14641696

Just because you didn't like the art doesn't mean it's low quality, you retarded nigger. Stay salty that it wasn't in a style you liked.

>>14641657

what's wrong with it?

>>14641709

<low quality eye design

<low quality hair design

<low quality clothing design

>it's a style, y-you retarded n-nigger

Yeah the style is called 3rd Grade

>>14641718

ah, so you're just a retard.

>>14641567

>Why do "people" save, let alone draw ugly grotesque shit like this?

Because porn is porn

>>14641787

>detail = quality

(you)

>>14641814

>detail

>let's ignore that link's legs might as well be pegs

>let's ignore that link's eyes take up 1/4th of his head and the artist couldn't even bother to give him pupils

>let's ignore that link looks less like a child and more like a midget

>>14641855

All of that is subjective

>>14641862

It really isn't. He as no pupils, his legs are two pegs and he is clearly suffering from dwarfism.

>>14641872

It’s subjective that the cartoony style is bad

>>14641878

Is the cock in your ass also only there subjectively?

It is not subjective that he has no pupils, It is not subjective that his legs are little more than pegs, it is not subjective that the art style resembles dwarfism.

>>14641908

It’s subjective that it’s bad

>>14641924

Limitations of the hardware and deliberate decisions of design are two different things.

>>14641935

Why did you change ids?

>>14641942

I didn't? My autistic screeching only started a few minutes ago

>>14596423

This is what makes me dislike it, it just broke the immersion to travel to each part of the world from what was basically a 3D level select screen.

Oh and the game is just a bit too bright imo. Twilight princess may have been to dark and gloomy but this game overdid it in the opposite diretion.

>>14641862

>its subjective

Not liking it or liking it is subjective. What I stated were facts. Crying "subjective" is the sissy way to counter arguments about art. Do you defend insults about shit splattered on a wall that was labeled art? Do you cry "subjective!" about that too?

>>14642058

>comparing hand drawn art to a CGI model

Ironically that's a pretty awesome monster. What game is it from? Is it challenging to defeat? Does it use that hair as a weapon? I'm genuinely interested, anon.

>>14642298

I think it was Ape Escape 4.

>>14638263

>n64 has like 15 games worth playing

It has more than that. Also remember WindWaker was the start of the kid friendly tone.

>>14641908

>dwarfism

Just say you don't like chibi

>>14642465

Same degeneracy different name fam.

>>14641042

why yes, Adventure of Link is shit

Yes, next question.

it fucking sucks.

>>14641088

Pretty much

>The enemies and bosses are boring as shit and really uncreative. Exceptions to this are the Koloktos boss fight, which is actually one of my favorite Zelda bosses period,

Agreed on koloktos.