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>not amateur game dog general

You had one job, OP/

I asked this last thread but didn't get any answers.

I'm making a text game in C++ and I want to integrate a toolkit into it, that toolkit being Modern Text Analysis or MeTA.

https://meta-toolkit.org

However I don't know where to start with something like this. I've only ever really created small projects and I've never had to deal with integrating a toolkit of any type.

>>14265687

>Voxels

>some part of the mesh are sloped

what did he mean by this?

>>14265687

Voxels are fine, Minecraft is not. Voxels don't need to be made into cubes, and often look better as one-color billboards.

>>14265692

Just because voxels are cubes doesn't mean you have to render them that way.

>>14265692

I think voxels is more abstract than just 3D cubes

>>14265690

You'll need to figure out what the problem you want to solve is, in the terms that people talk about it. Then you can see if the library can solve it, then you can figure out how to use the library.

>>14265732

Voxels are volume pixels. Can you have slopes in a 2d image? Depends on how far away you're looking at it, or conversely, how small your pixels are. Same with voxels.

>>14265736

It's using marching tetrahedra, which is essentially just a way of rendering values on a 3D grid also known as voxels

>>14265740

Sounds like it renders via a derivative function then. Sounds like fun.

>>14265756

Is the minetest multiplayer authoritative? If it's any good, I wanted to spend some time studying it

>>14265736

I've done the first two things. I want Natural Language processing, in particular I want to be able to have the words in a sentence tagged with their respective parts of speech and I want the structure of the sentence graphed in a way that I know what nouns, verbs, adjectives, etc are connected.

The toolkit can solve this problem and it has the MIT license which is great for me. Here's a demo of the toolkit doing exactly what I described.

http://timan103.cs.illinois.edu/nlp-app/

The problem is I don't know how to use the toolkit. It's not exactly a library, as all the tutorials I've looked up on how to integrate a third party library into a project don't fit the structure of MeTA. The thing has a makefile and standalone executables. It also has an API that is completely unhelpful in actually telling me how to integrate my project with it.

>>14265771

I don't know much about how the internals of Minetest looks like or the multiplayer system for that matter. I just can't stand playing games were everything is made out of cubes only. I know there is 1-2 mod that adds slopes shapes to Minetest but it kinda looks like those mods in question are not updated anymore.

>>14265772

Sounds like you want a parse tree of the text. Not sure if it's called something different in NLP literature, but that's the term in programming for how a program is parsed. MeTA has demo programs and doxygen documentation, so you'd be best off going through those. Since it's a makefile, and makefiles are a fucking pain to write, check if it has output targets for just the library/object files and then compile them into your program. You can just call make on the makefile from whatever build system you're using.

>>14265800

We still love you, clumsy.

should have added a link to the demo day thread as well

Guys

I think

>>14261166

might be right

>>14265792

What do you mean with the output targets? There's a build file that contains the executables I was talking about, but those executables are all command line applications.

The doxygen documentation is helpful, but not in the stage I'm at with the gaps in my knowledge I have. It tells me what does what, but it doesn't tell me how to integrate my project from scratch with MeTA. For example I want the sr_parser, but when I try to include that with the "#include <sr_parser.h>" including the file path and all that and compile, make can compile the sr_parser.cpp file but has trouble finding everything that sr_parser is looking for. In particular it's looking for config.h, but there's only config.h.in, and config.h is generated by MeTA's makefile.

Speaking of which I should mention that when I initially got the project off of github I compiled and setup the whole thing with cmake, and now I can just call "make" to rebuild the whole thing. I am also doing this with my own project. So I'm not writing a makefile, I am writing a CMakeLists text file which cmake is using to generate a makefile. It's still a pain.

How would I go about calling the makefile from my build system? This may be the solution to this problem although maybe not. I'm using linux and, as I've mentioned, make and cmake. Is this information a search engine can easily find?

Also thank you for taking the time to help me with this.

>run unity

>realize it'll call 100^3 console.logs

what have I done

>>14265858

So it has a CMakeLists.txt, which is good, fuck makefiles, they're a pain. What I mean by a target is when you run make clean or make install. The targets are clean or install, and you'll want to find one that builds the libraries/object files. It's probably just the all target which is usually the default.

The good news is you can use CMake recursively, so include the MeTA stuff in your project and have an add_subdirectory call from your project's CMakeLists to MeTA's folder. When you run make now, it'll build all of your stuff and all of MeTA's stuff, and you can add dependencies on MeTA's stuff the exact same way you do for your stuff. The aforementioned config.h.in is configured as part of the CMake step and outputs config.h somewhere, so you can just include it as necessary and use include_directories or target_include_directories to where the outputted file lives.

If you don't want to pollute your project's CMake namespace with all of MeTA's stuff, there's always ExternalProject_Add, but that looks like too much work for image board help posts.

>>14265692

You can do pretty crazy shit with actual voxels and todays hardware minecraft is not using voxel rendering but polygons btw. Once i am done with my current project i will look into them and see how far i can mix up modern rendering techniques with old school voxel rendering.

>>14265953

hey, unlimited detail™ is back

>>14265947

>The good news is you can use CMake recursively

Yes, that is good news! I'll try what you suggested and if I still have a seemingly unsolvable problem I'll be back in this thread, but I think you've given me enough information to find the rest and get over the smaller problems by searching online. Hopefully I'm posting progress next time I talk about my game in an agdg thread.

Once again, thank you. I really do appreciate your help.

>>14265972

Kek, the reason euclideon will never release anything is not because their unlimited detail™ isn't working, but because such highly detailed voxel visuals require multiple gigabytes to store the information of a single object. Who the fuck would play a game that's a terabytes big? That's the thing they never mention because that's a no-go even for their retarded fanbase.

The downside of Voxes are that they simply take too much storage if too detailed, it's also a big problem to animate them. However, they could prove quite useful if used for distance based games like strategy games where close-up detail is not needed, or for LODs in a poly/voxel hybrid where the undetailed far away objects are voxels and close objects are detailed polys.

unlimited detail™ cannot happen until we have storage of hundreds of terabytes, but Voxels aren't useless right now either IF used under the correct conditions.

>>14266072

It sounds like we would need demoscene level programmers to get it to work on modern hardware.

>>14266116

You can probably mitigate a lot of the problems with the memory consumption just by compressing the voxel data internally, which would fix a lot of the issue, but literally modeling each grain of sand is why its going to take a stupid amount of memory. They might already be compressing the voxel data to save RAM. Any way if you want some interesting stuff about what you can do with voxels, consider the draw distance on this guy's rendering engine for a more practical example of what the technology can offer.

>>14266134

There's also probably some procedural generation going on here, which means that they just have to store an algorithm to get gigabytes of content.

>>14266174

This is not procedurally generated, in one of his video he says that he has created his map out of a heightmap. He explains that at the level of detail he is on, it takes 4.5 GB of RAM to store it.

>>14266210

>>14266205

Alright. Still pretty neat.

Seeing this demo day makes me want to finally make something. i'm one of those fags that convinced myself i'd have to become a programming wizard and do everything from scratch instead of using an engine like everyone here is doing How hard is Löve to get into? I haven't really tried Lua yet.

>>14266232

They would only draw the tiles that are supposed to be onscreen, wouldn't they?

>>14266263

>>14266260

Even if you cull things outside the screen you still need to create millions of tiles/sprites because every tile needs its own sprite right?

>>14266269

No, what happens is the sprite is stored in memory once and then just copied onto the screen as needed, and you can make as many copies as you want. You only create as many instances of the sprite as you need on screen, so if you have like 10 tiles on screen that use the "floor1" sprite, you just copy that 10 times using the same sprite.

>>14266260

If you convinced yourself of that you're an idiot. Just like make game. LÖVE is a pretty nice framework, Lua's also solid but if you want OOP/classes/inheritance you have to build it yourself. Just look it up online, shit's like ten lines of code.

>>14266232

>>14266269

Two things.

First, all games massively re-use assets. Why would every tile needs its own sprite, when you can instead give each tile a type, and assign the type its own sprite? Suddenly you are reusing the same sprite for the quadrillion tiles you have!

Secondly, graphics are made so you batch the shit outta everything. It's pretty standard in 2D engines to draw all the tiles on the screen through a single draw. The cost is only marginally higher than just blitting the screen.

>>14266281

Is there an easy way to batch draw in SFML?

>>14266284

Looking through SFML API, Nope.

However, the API exposes shaders in a way that lets you do it. It even comes with a tutorial on how to do a tilemap!

https://www.sfml-dev.org/tutorials/2.4/graphics-vertex-array.php

>>14266297

Nice, i'll look into this. Thanks anon

>>14265882

isn't gabe the ultimate neck beard

> valve produces a successful game

> two iterations later, everyone wanting a sequel

> fuck that, lets make something else

> produces another incredible successful and creative game

> everyone waiting for them to milk the franchise to death like every other publisher

> fuck that, lets make something else

> produces massively successful mp game which basically births e-sports

> makes a digitally delivery game platform for its own games

> jew publishers and consoles starts doing the same

> fights back by getting literally every other big developer to use their platform

> pushes openness by encouraging linux gaming and indie development

> inevitably open the gates of gaming hell

> by letting everyone in and not realizing costumers are stupid to make good choices with great discounts

> doesn't give a shit either way

I bet one of these days, Valve is going to launch a space faring company too

What's this fascination with voxels? I think they make things look like shit.

Hey, I'm using SFML to do a raycast engine and I'm running into some problems, namely all of the fancy types that don't convert to each other and whatever. That's pissing me off. Should I just make my own vector structure and say fuck it ?

>>14266546

> produces another incredible successful and creative game

Ricochet?

>>14267086

He's running it in a web browser which means that it's going to take more processing power than it should in the first place.

>>14267127

at least I don't think this one is official.

>>14267086

>>14267155

It's a better idea to just google what you need. Like, "movement", for instance. See how a few people do it, modify as you go along, optimize as you get a grasp of what you're doing. That's how I've always done it.

>>14265845

This looks pleasing to look at.

>>14267168

i really hope someone will come along and make a better looking mascot.

>>14267200

i think you are right about that. i was also under the impression, that it now was the official mascot and i think i even read that tweet. very diplomatic, so no one gets upset, but the engine doesnt declare the first shitty mascot to be the official one.

also on the topic of godot: thanks to the guys that explained mouse input in godot to me last thread.

>>14267167

I'm constantly searching up ways to do things, I feel like that's something every dev will always have to do, but it's not a perfect system. Not every question has an answer. Not every question has an up-to-date answer, which then takes a long time to work out what's defunct, needs replacing and how. And the worst offender of all, not every answer is written in normal fucking English.

>>14266072

You can also do some pretty interesting effects with voxels

>>14266756

Looking good you fucker. Did you release your demo on demo day?

>another hijacked OP

>>14267232

> And the worst offender of all, not every answer is written in normal fucking English.

Are you talking about other languages, or people who don't know how to communicate like humans? I've met guys who can program circles around me, and can speak well enough, but for some reason, can't form a coherent written sentence in English to save their life. I suspect these people are why technical writers exist.

>>14267261

The latter. The monkeys that, for all their intelligence and understanding of scripting languages, can't form a single coherent sentence have caused me many late nights of de-spaghettifying not just their code but their explanations on what the fuck to do with the code. I can respect that English is not the native language for an exceedingly large number of programmers in the world, but holy shit people at least proof-read what the fuck you just wrote before hitting send.

>>14267295

That's good advice, I sucked and I did things. Now I still suck at it but not as much as before.

>>14267267

>Someday, /v/ will have its own speedrunning autismfest, with a block specifically for games by AGDG.

I'd watch it.

>>14267295

Agreed. There's also some essential add-ons to enable.

>Looptools

>Node Wrangler

>>14267366

There's also a script that estimates animation render times, which may be useful depending on what you're doing. Sometimes it's hard to gauge if you should stick around for it to finish, or go make coffee. Why this isn't on by default, I don't know.

https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Render/Render_Time_Estimation

i thought i was having the worst day of my life until i figured out i was rendering the screen 8 times.

now i'm acting like a retard and experimenting with scaling from low resolutions for sweet sweet performance gains(though optimizing how i'm sending objects to the gpu and getting a bvh would probably do way more)

>>14267722

I was wondering why your thing was so slow , it's good that you're figuring it out

>>14267526

Ultimately you're moving things from CPU to GPU which incurs synchronization. Batching just makes it cheaper.

However, you're probably better off just implementing some simple culling. If you're drawing 2D sprites in SFML yet somehow that becomes your bottleneck, that its very clear you're not doing enough culling.

The best part is that efficient batching requires some culling as well, so it's not like you can avoid writing culling code by just slapping on batching.

>>14267829

You guys are all misleading anon. The six million tiles aren't all in memory. They're sitting on a hard drive, and they load a large chunk of them into memory and then, afterwards, only draw the section of that chunk that's onscreen.

>>14267200

i can't shake the feeling that all the artist did was trace a Chaika face onto a standard body outline.

>>14267829

Well basically I'm looking for the best was to manage, batch and prepare the data before I send it off, because spamming new objects every draw call every 60 seconds seems wasteful Or does C#'s GC reclaim shit that was declared in a function automatically?

I have no bottlenecks yet, and I'd be rendering a 16x16 animated tilemap to a 512x512 texture with an equal amount of actors worst case, so maybe only 512 total draw calls plus the UI. But like I said there seems to be a memory leak with making a bunch of objects so I'm proactively trying to stop that from becoming an issue

>>14267991

>anime

>sameface

Pick 0 or 2

>>14267992

>Or does C#'s GC reclaim shit that was declared in a function automatically?

C# will probably do it too as long as you don't make extra references to the object, but that depends on the GC.

>I have no bottlenecks yet, and I'd be rendering a 16x16 animated tilemap to a 512x512 texture with an equal amount of actors worst case, so maybe only 512 total draw calls plus the UI.

Then don't bother with batching until its a bottleneck.

>But like I said there seems to be a memory leak with making a bunch of objects so I'm proactively trying to stop that from becoming an issue

Then you need to fix the actual memory leak, and not minimize it. That said, I have no idea how the fuck you managed that in a GC'd language.

>>14268103

why'd you break it?

>>14268182

that's pretty smart actually

>>14268116

Well thats the thing. The GC will run eventually but you can't make any guarantees about when or if it will run; likewise, manually invoking it is bad form. Thus the best design is one that is elegant and works cleanly.

Having a cached object means I won't have to allocate objects every frame, only change them.

>>14268209

>Well thats the thing. The GC will run eventually but you can't make any guarantees about when or if it will run; likewise, manually invoking it is bad form. Thus the best design is one that is elegant and works cleanly.

My mistake, I meant it depends on the compiler*.

If you don't reference an object, the compiler might arrange code in such a way that its not an object that requires GC to begin with.

>>14268191

sounds like you get to take the day off

>>14268266

More like a whole week unfortunately

>>14267012

So how's this work? You have a light at a point and do two or three raycasts against an entity's position (which is just a square box)?

How are you clipping off the texture?

>>14268562

If you're a 1MA, the best thing you can do is keep your scope and assets reasonable. If you're buying premade assets, that's dumb because you're wasting money and using things that everyone else has already used.

The best longterm thing to do is learn it yourself, or get a partner to help

>>14268575

I have 1 artist and a programmer as partners, need to pay them around 200 bucks. I was expecting to be able to do 3D Models, I can do objects just fine but turns out I can't model a fucking cave so I wanted to buy this https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/environments/dungeons/cave-dungeon-toolkit-79550 I can't afford paying another 200+ bux for a modeler so I thought this is the best solution

>>14268467

>Minor observation is that I have to use quads for my tile map, since each tile is discrete and probably won't share a texture with its neighbours

You can use a texture atlas for that. Just keep in mind they produce some artifacts along edges when you have trilinear/anistrophic filtering or MSAA.

is it worth it to do vertex transformation and rotation on the gpu and not transfer vertices every frame, there's some potentional optimizations from doing it on the cpu, since you can make triangles into 1 point and 2 edges, and save two subtractions per ray-triangle intersection, but with higher poly counts you could probably manage things easier just by transforming things on the gpu

>>14268605

Oh, my mistake. You would have to use quads. Sorry m8. You don't have to worry too much about bandwidth since I assure you; the cost of bandwidth is far lower than the cost of synchronization between CPU and GPU.

>>14268662

Yeah, that's what I thought. Like I said, minor concern, but I just wanted to confirm that I was on the right track.

>>14268605

>>14268665

Although I do want to mention that if you set your texture to be repeating, you could utilize that to merge adjacent quads.

The problem with that though is that you then need to make a 2D texture array object on the GPU, which SFML does not appear to expose.

>>14268744

Have you played Dear Esther and Hl2 episode 2? Possibly some of the best looking caves I've seen

You could start from looking at how they did it

>>14268759

My issue is that I don't know HOW to model it, I tried doing it with meta balls but the topology just looks like horseshit and because of that the applied texture has really weird looking spots

>>14267772

It says on his personal website, that he does mascots for free and open source stuff for free.

Not sure what anyone not involved in the development of godot would do here.

>>14268889

Are the light sources themselves just drawn from a premade gradient texture?

my dream is one day you can do everything out of voxels but without them looking like cubes(underlying stuff is voxels instead), so everything is destructible and buildable in as many ways as possible

>>14268922

Also, adding the decimate modifier (on the "Colllapse" mode) after the subdivision surface modifier can create an element of randomness and it reduces the polycount.

>>14268957

You better get crakin' if you want that dream to become a reality.

>>14268993

When I made something similar in XNA, I had a 256x256 texture for my lightmap, where one pixel is one tile, then scaled it up with linear interpolation, to 32x larger (view culling would crop out quite a bit of it)

I remember having something like a light curve for the attenuation, and it supported multiple colors for lights (eg it could originate as white, fade to orange, then dark blue, then black) as the distance increased. It was pretty neat. Not ideal, though, but definitely something I want to explore again.

Is 1280x720 the "default" resolution now? Most devices, even phones, seem to use it. It looks very divisible and scaleable (eg 640x360x2, and 16:9 widescreen).

My dev laptop has a height of 768, but between the taskbar and title bar, it ends up being about 64 pixels of dead space, which eats into the bottom of the window, so it's basically unplayable in a window, so I'm just working with 800x600 for the moment

>>14265692

They're rendering the representation of a data set of voxels. That representation being a polygon mesh generated by marching tetrahedra.

This process utilizes voxel data to contour an isosurface, via isovalues (densities, which are volumetric data elements; i.e. voxels) and generating a polygon representation of the voxel data set.

>sloped != voxels

voxels can just as easily mean the representation of data, and not necessarily the exact rendering technique utilized.

In the case of rendering actual voxels (like billboarded SVOs) isn't a mature enough approach for games (not exclusively targeting top of the line hardware) at this point.

>>14265736

>Voxels are volume pixels

direct from (((wikipedia))), but good enough:

>The word voxel originated by analogy with the word "pixel", with vo representing "volume" and el representing "element"

>volume element, or element with volume

So, voxels can also mean volumetric data; i.e. data which represents a volumetric shape/pattern (such as a pattern generated by a noise algorithm).

F.e. the data acquired via an MRI scan can be reduced to a set of volumetric data (set of voxel data, density values, which are generally called a "level set"), and for viewing they're represented with a polygon rendering technique.

However, the actual polygons are built via a contouring algorithm that can auto-magically generate a polygon mesh from the voxel (volumetric) data (such as marching tetrahedra/cubes, and many other contouring algorithms).

>>14265746

they're not rendering "with" a derivative function, but it can be in the process of outputting the data required to render the actual polygons from the data set of voxels/isovalues (and most likely is as it's more exact compared to 2d/3d interpolation).

>>14268103

>seams and edge cases

that brings backs some nightmares

easy enough on the cpu, but hard on the gpu; though it's easier with primal scheme contouring algorithms compared to dual scheme contouring algorithms.

>>14268198

it's a common technique, even minecraft did it with their voxel data

>>14268922

Create the basic shape of the tunnels, and other cave appendages; then apply noise to add rockiness/bumpiness to final mesh (probably some ridged multifractal noise; use in sculpting mode, get a noise brush for blender).

This will add some organic-ness to the final mesh, and will alleviate you of a lot of monotonous work.

A cave is also prime for for harnessing noise when texturing.

Use a pre-generated 2d noise texture to change the actual lookup coordinates of the cave textures as to add mineral striation, per the changing value for lookup in the noise texture (like Y coor of pixel in world space), and the same can be done with a normal map to add crevices and such; which will have an "organic" feel due to using the patterns that are ordered from far away but random'ish up close; which lots of different noise algorithms provide.

>>14269389

What, you've never seen a matrix before?

>>14269473

no it's just that something about having that many assignments in a row hurts me a little on the inside

>>14269525

Can't your [s] series of variables be put into an array?

>>14269553

that's an opencl float16, not my type

What frameworks/engines do you guys recommend to stuff like the Raspberry Pi? I was think of making something in opengl through either a python or lua binding.

>>14269353

Depends. 1280x720 seems to be a common resolution for VNs. For 3D games on PC or consoles, people tend to run them at 1920x1080. For 2D games on PC or consoles, it seems to vary. I've seen games use 480x270 because it scales into 1920x1080, but it doesn't scale into 2560x1440. 640x360 scales into both, but 1280x720 doesn't scale into 1920x1080. I don't know about phone games.

>>14268191

Asus or Acer?

>>14269982

>pajeet.png

>GameMaker

What is this and why does it exist?

>>14269982

i just made like heavy breathing noises for 2 minutes after seeing this

>>14270056

To stuff the raspberry pi?

The fuck do you need to make?

>>14270083

A game that can run on on at least a RPi.

>>14270094

That's not really down to the engine but rather how you optimize your game.

If you really want to go full performance then no engine and hardcoding would be optimal

>>14270094

Is the Pi powerful enough for snes games? Is there an engine with such low min requirements? RPG maker comes to mind, but I don't know.

>>14270111

At least powerful enough for quake.

>>14270043

That's really cute.

>>14270115

That doesn't sound bad at all.

>>14267061

You could use that sony vector library someone linked

>>14267992

You could treat every sprite as just a transformation matrix applied to the standard quad in the vertex shader. Then youd only have the vertex data of the unit quad for sprites. I'm doing something similar right now but it's only to render a static image so I make many draw calls.

>>14270167

16:9 is by far the more common. 16:10 was a standard for a brief time between 4:3 and 16:9, and some people still use it.

Do you guys think I should start with 2D games and work my way up with 3D games?

>>14270364

If you're using an engine, 3D games require knowledge of more complex trigonometry, that's about it really.

Depends what you feel comfortable with

>>14269353

Make the UI work on 320x200, then just scale it up if the monitor supports higher resolutions. If you try and play the resolution guessing game you will just get a bunch of complaints from everyone that you didn't support X special resolution, it defaulted to resolution Y and that didn't work, etc etc so just actually query it from the OS so that you can never go wrong. This is how some of those 90's games just work with modern monitors and modern display resolutions directly out of the box with no problems.

So my game just gets a list of supported display modes and I can be assured that in 2070 I will support the 16k alienware whatever.

>>14270111

It can run Q3A

>>14270364

That is probably good if you aren't sure what to expect when making 3D games, since in 2D you have to solve simpler versions of the same problems.

>>14265882

imagine if some enginefag would put out a good engine instead of making a one off project with it

>>14270418

Is this an issue with your texture filtering or the actual scaling? Try using nearest neighbor filtering and not bilinear filtering if you aren't doing that already.

Also if you are increasing the resolution of 2D game, this is ironically more difficult than in a 3D game because you have to scale the whole view-port yourself, you should never display your 2D objects in an aspect ratio that isn't 1:1 or else you will just stretch the whole thing, so you have to ensure that yourself if that is what you mean by "non-integer scaling"

So, in a tile based game, you would have to display more tiles at 1:1 instead of scaling your tiles to 1:2 or whatever.

I was recently introduced to Henry Miller’s eleven commandments. I've adapted them to game development for everyone here.

>1. Work on one thing at a time until finished.

>2. Start no more new games, add no new material to your old games.

>3. Don’t be nervous. Work calmly, joyously, recklessly on whatever is in hand.

>4. Work according to Program and not according to mood. Stop at the appointed time!

>5. When you can’t create you can work.

>6. Cement a little every day, rather than add new fertilizers.

>7. Keep human! See people, go places, drink if you feel like it.

>8. Don’t be a draught-horse! Work with pleasure only.

>9. Discard the Program when you feel like it—but go back to it the next day. Concentrate. Narrow down. Exclude.

>10. Forget the games you want to make. Think only of the game you are making.

>11. Develop first and always. Painting, music, friends, cinema, the Internet, all these come afterwards.

Here's the source

http://www.stevenpressfield.com/2012/05/henry-millers-eleven-commandments/

>>14270543

Level Buddy for Blender is pretty good, especially if you already know how to use Blender.

https://matt-lucas.itch.io/level-buddy

>>14270543

He's talking about being in a good mood. Don't keep working even if you feel like you could, stop and rest.

>>14270548

This might be good actually, I'll try it out

>>14270543

Most of making the game is just grinding things out. It's not like you can expect to be excited for thousands of hours.

>>14270500

I have filtering set to NN where possible. I have a separate render target, set to 512x512, where I will draw my playing field. I then render this to the window in some fashion, hopefully preserving the visual quality.

Mostly, it's just me being fussy.

Also if anyone thinks like it would have some value, I can turn these rules >>14270540 into a repost-able image.

>>14270565

Makes sense, honestly for these kinds of games I feel that OpenGL or w/e adds a layer of uncertainty to the whole thing compared to just software rendering. Since OpenGL isn't so precise about where the pixels end up..

Anyway I am sure you can make it scale to almost anything you want, keep it up the work and you'll get it

>>14270962

>Goodbye

<Wait! at least take this potion for your journey.

>>14271446

If you don't mind some constructive criticism, the trees are shaking too fast. Unlike grass, they would surely have more weight to their movement.

>>14270962

Nice

>>14271731

What?

>>14271738

It's spam.

>>14271731

That's really fucking gross

>>14271738

>>14271741

So you mean that isn't an actual semi-cute 3d girl who's just really into game development and ones to date someone who makes vidya?

Nah, who am I kidding? cute 3d girls don't exist.

>>14271748

Even if you find a cute 3D girl, she'll probably have some extra flaws like "sad all the time" or "wastes money" or "talks"

>>14270111

>RPG maker comes to mind, but I don't know.

rpg maker is notoriously low performance for what it technically offers

>>14271767

It's not terrible. I'm pretty sure I used to play some shittier RPG maker games on my PSP.

anyone understand shaders?

i've got a water shader, mostly wanted it for the refraction/reflection

the waves are scrolling in the world coordinates and i want them to be scrolling along the mesh UVs instead

anyone know how to change it?

i'm almost certain it's in

	float4 wpos = mul (unity_ObjectToWorld, v.vertex);
	temp.xyzw = wpos.xzxz * _WaveScale4 + _WaveOffset;

but i have no idea what to change it to

https://pastebin.com/rcHy6kdU

>>14271805

Really digging your menu stuff.

Wasn't here for it, did a bunch of taking things apart and putting back together. Making a video today on some progress, then I have a lot of coding and debugging to do. I also need a new map, plus gotta learn how particle systems work.

>>14271886

Wouldn't that just be an offset to the mesh UVs? Not too familiar with how Unity does shaders, but some cursory searching shows that TEXCOORD0 is likely the texture coordinate for the fragment, so adding an offset to that might be the way to go.

>>14271886

Yeah use model coords instead of the wpos.xzxz there in the last line I think, the v.vertex looks like the pre-world-transformed vertex info so use that.

float4 model = v.vertex;

And then use model.xzxz or something like that, I'm not familiar with unity or its types. The basic idea is use coords that havent been multiplied by the ObjectToWorld matrix there.

>>14271729

GO BACK

>>14270962

1) use potions as poisons

2) profit

>>14273002

Nice, the keybindings work now.

>>14269581

you using blender right?

>>14273263

That's a bug.

I happened to find it a few months back. I don't think there are any solutions.

>>14271805

>one and one

damn, I meant one and done

>>14273835

>methods to make it less pajeet

What did you do exactly?

>>14273835

Run some tests on your code before scrapping it. maybe you're a programming genius?

>>14273617

Yes, but im not going for ultra realistic hair, thanks anyways

>>14274431

its*

i'm sorry

>>14274500

why not play the demo day games?

>>14274431

>raytracing

>soft shadows

Soft shadows are one of the reasons people use pathtracing instead of raytracing, there is no feasible method of implementing them with raytracing at realtime speeds unless you only have static lights and scenes whereas in pathtracing they're "free".

>>14273835

Stop worrying about optimization at this stage. This attitude is a pestilentially common mental illness especially among C types and causes nothing but delays and bugs in the end. First make it correct, then maintainable (you are going to read things more often than you write them), and then profile before you optimize anything. You can get away with badly implemented O(n^7) algorithms if they are only called on small datasets once in the beginning. Most likely the biggest performance boost will lie in some inconspicuous function that just happens to be called all the time, but this will not become clear until the game is complete and your call graph is close to how it will look in the end.

>>14274551

well:

a) i was planning to implement multiple forms of tracing, because idk

b) can't you shoot extra shadow rays to hack this up

c) there's a really dirty hack where you just add a random noise vector to the shadow rays which acts as an incredibly dirty form of soft shadows

oh well fuck me

>>14274748

Extra rays for an area light technically works, but results in banding shadows and massive slowdown with more lights or area. Random noise means you get the same downside of pathtracing (noisy output that converges over time) without the upsides of it.

But if you're going to implement both path and ray tracing anyway, there shouldn't be much of a problem anyway. You'll see what works, what doesn't, learn a lot along the way, and (although unlikely) might come up with some novel new solution.

>>14274886

i am downright obsessed with implementing everything i can

i have problems

>>14273922

well whaddya mean by that specifically? I've posted gameplay in the past if that's what you mean

>uses variables like floor1 to floor7 instead of an array

>uses a bunch of if/else statements because you can't iterate through them

>yandere-tier developer thinks he should be writing tutorials

>beginners doesn't know enough to steer clear of this garbage and ape it

This pisses me off and I want people to be angry too http://archive.is/fok4w

>>14275406

he could just like have an array 0-40 and round the result from rand to pick a tile

>>14275406

There's a ton of garbage programmers out there who write tutorials and post them for new users with horrid programming practices that absolutely no one should use, let alone TEACH to others. Like using a try/catch statement every collision at LEAST once per frame, which throws and catches an error if they don't have a "damage" component. If there's no error? Then you can access it and take damage! This was part of a paid video series I pirated. Just about any game development book or series out there is complete trash that no one should be exposed to, yet people still rapidly churn them out. I'm better than these faggots, and I know that I don't know enough about development to release a book worth reading.

>>14275425

This is why you go to college for this sort of stuff. I thought college was pointless for a long time, until I had to teach myself things. People in the academia may have their own issues and hangups, but at least they constantly push each other to be smarter, better and efficient.

>>14275425

The reason for this is because these programmers want their blogs to be on hacker news and reddit. Both of these sites don't allow self-promotion, which means that everyone just disguises all of their self-promotion as "tutorials" which means that every single thing there is presented in the context of teaching when it is really just trying to promote itself, and not trying to teach you anything.

>>14275781

I can't believe how ugly this character is

>>14275781

>>14275809

This inspired me to draw a Love2D-tan that hopefully doesn't look as bad as this.

>>14275781

cute

>>14275858

I love the style, again - but the fucking design is just gross. What's with the obsession to give her a disgusting hairstyle and nerdy look? Does Godot really make you think of something lame, nerdy and unattractive?

>>14275874

It's either a girl, a trap or a furfag fantasy. You should know this by now.

>>14275896

Cause making it a dude will bring about accusations of THE GAY COMMUNITY, and people are unwilling to make a non-fuckable-looking robot.

>>14275907

>>14275918

It just feels like we've done this all before. We just post the same shit or the same kinds of shit day in day out. It's always the same mascots, the same threads, the same posts.

/kinda blogpost. I'll just leave you guys to it I guess.

>>14275956

but clearly if you do anything different you're not from here so get out

>>14275907

I blame console/os tans and Vivian.

>>14276010

Nah, way before even that, we had board tans.

>>14275918

>Because despite thinking that they're super special elitist snowflakes, anons really are incredibly simplistic and only like a limited selection of autistic things.

Godot-tan seems to be hated by most of the developers here. Are we super special elitist snowflakes?

>>14276017

Yeah, /v/ and /pol/'s were male, /x/ was female, and /b/ was whatever you could use to describe an ocean of piss at that moment. I don't remember the other board's tans. /vg/ seems to be the only one to have stayed largely unchanged.

>>14276032

The board mascot for 8/tg/ is a rotund necromancer.

>>14276026

No, in my personal experience /agdg/ has been one of the more levelheaded circles around these parts, probably because people who have the patience to sit down and do something for extended periods of time are less prone to be complete tards. I assume most people don't like her because she's just that fucking ugly.

>>14276048

It's in the wiki

http://8agdg.wikidot.com/demo-days

>>14276060

>because people who have the patience to sit down and do something for extended periods of time are less prone to be complete tards.

You would think so, but then there's that guy over on loomis who's spent the last two months tracing pictures of one girl's feet

>>14276062

>They're all dubs except one quints (also last one of the year)

Well played.

>>14276065

I mean was he trying to learn how to draw feet better? Practice makes perfect.

>>14276087

No, some people are just retarded and have foot fetishes

>>14276093

I don't think having a fetish makes you retarded, anon.

>>14276102

having a foot fetish sure does

>>14276105

I do not have a foot fetish, but having one does not make you retarded

>>14276060

I think it's because people here are working on the same goal and so we're all connected by our mutual tribulations.

Also, I'll say this: godot-tan has to be a robot who's jaw has the grooves of a gear.

>>14275874

This. I always thought you should just take the robot head from the Godot logo and use it to make a helmet for some Deadmau5 kind of mascot. Trying to get a cute girl out of the Godot robot's silhouette is a lost cause in my own stupid opinion.

>>14276346

*cute girl

I'm very tired

<go from 2000 lines of code to 5000 lines of code

i'm feeling ok

I just wanted to get mad at pajeet-tier devs making tutorials with people

>>14276347

That's fine, just stop trying to make her fucking hair work with that silhouette. It's not gonna work. There is no hairstyle that conforms to that shape that is cute.

>>14276469

this is acceptable

>>14276469

Oh, that's good.

>>14276480

<13000

Hope it's not just bloat but some serious progress. We're gonna make it, right?

>>14276505

It's all autogenerated :^)

>>14276469

Might be cute, but the godot-ness is just in her clothing instead of her.

>>14276469

See? This works because it's a hair accessory and not some idiot giving her 4 large cornrows or some stupid bullshit.

I've read this book front to back three times and would recommend it to anyone using or interested in C#. It's comprehensive and well-edited, and I'm sure I'll learn something else the next time I read it. It explains the newer language features by building from the old ones, explaining exactly what's happening, and then rebuilding them in the newer features in a much cleaner way.

This isn't explicitly related to gamedev, but that's probably why it's so good

>>14276558

Unity's official documentation is generally thorough, but doesn't cover the more technical aspects of their engine that more experienced developers would be interested in. It's been improving, and it's generally the first thing you'll want to check.

Their videos are generally dogshit, and take 7-15 minutes to show you something that can be explained in a minute using text. They also don't give you nearly enough information to know how to use them properly, or when to use them. You can see this in their two videos on delegates and events, respectively.

They could have set up a mock UI, had the UI latch onto the game delegates, and explained that the game still works perfectly even if you completely remove the UI. In this way, gameplay and the UI are completely decoupled, and you could completely revamp the UI without even touching the game code. I've also used it on network functions.

>RPC_PLAYER_SHOOT

>RPC_PLAYER_DAMAGE

>RPC_PLAYER_DIE

Basically, a network manager would keep track of these (mock) functions, and the UI, health script, and gun would subscribe to these events and get passes the information when they're invoked; They get passed the network data struct. In this way, all objects just subscribe to commands, and don't need to know about each other. The network object doesn't need to manage or even know about the UI or player, it just handles the events.

instead its

>use events to turn the ball red and teleport it at the same time :DDDDDD

>>14276575

Video tutorials in general are complete garbage, they get outdated very quickly. In a text-tutorial, you could easily change a few lines to fix a bug or keep it up to date with engine or languages changes. Most tutorials do come out with a few mistakes or bugs, but people rarely (if ever) update videos. They're also harder to follow; Programming is text. Pausing/jumping around a video is more difficult than just following a linear text tutorial. It's just a lot harder to make a video tutorial, in general, and text tutorials are shitty enough >>14275406 >>14275425 Another anon pointed out that these are most likely just advertisements disguised as tutorials, as that's why they're so shit. If you're a new developer, steer clear of this garbage and develop very strong fundamentals so you can sniff out this bullshit without wasting your time learning terrible habits.

>>14276621

It's not designed expressly to support large maps but it will support large maps. You could definitely make a map that is a big city, and I don't see a reason for it to not work, however this engine is based on the same architecture ideas as the quake and source engines, so it will run into similar issues that you would run into with those engines. Making a giant low-poly city like that scene is not going to be such a difficult task though, so I wouldn't worry about that. It definitely would be more limited than something designed for large maps like GTA is, so if I wanted it to be able to do that, then I would have to make special engine features designed around that.

Right now the editor is really unsuited for large maps at the time being because it lacks grid scaling. So while I can zoom out I cant scale the grid yet. That will be added in the future and after then it should be possible to experiment better.

>>14276662

What game is this?

>>14276700

Severe autism, mostly, but it's a hell of a good way to get better at programming. And probably a good portfolio if he's not already a professional code monkey.

>>14276707

You glow in the dark, man. Why should we take your word for it?

>>14276712

ignore this guy, he's just an angel trying to fuck with me

>>14276706

Most issues with Unity come from poo-in-the-loo tier devs either coding their shit poorly or using poorly coded third party resources. I know for a fact that I've seen snappy ass Unity games.

UE4 in particular can also be made to run like fucking candy. The thing is, I just feel like making your own engine from scratch is reinventing the bicycle. Don't reinvent the bicycle. Making the game itself is enough work on its' own with the engine already completed.

>>14276707

I suppose it is a good way to understand things better, yeah.

>>14276713

Was this that weird game made with store assets that was posted here a few months ago that I suggested you sent to Vinesauce?

>>14276700

I enjoy making game engines more than I enjoy making the actual games. It's very fun, it's basically just programming with no tangible end in sight.

>>14276707

No job, although I do have one in the summer I am going to be teaching the "game engines" class for some summer camp. Not trying to dox myself so I won't say which one though

>>14276721

Making a game from scratch is just reinventing someone else's game. Saying that making a new game engine when old game engines exist is reinventing things is just a double standard. Also just because your computer can run unity/ue4 doesn't mean that it's optimized or fast, both of those engines use garbage collection and require high OpenGL versions, yes your gaming PC can spare the ram but I just don't enjoy programming in such a way.

Anyway I am also not very knowledgeable about other game engines, the only engine that I have used to make games with that I didn't make myself was goldsource and that was years ago.

>>14276772

I see you're going with the loose interpretation of Rogelike.

>>14276774

Do you have any advice for managing larger projects? I have a very strong grasp on C#, and I'm better than your average pajeet, but once projects get to a certain size the complexity is always too much for me.

>>14276882

Don't work on larger projects by yourself?

Seems pretty simple I dunno

>>14276662

>making it into a sunday trash stream

Some would call it an insult.

Sounds like he enjoyed it though, so congratulations.

>>14277215

Do you have some account where people interested in godot will see your design? Because it doesnt help if there are better designs like yours, when only we see it.

>>14275858

oh yeah, I like that android shit and all, also fits better with Godot being a mech, I'd fap to that

>>14275876

>Does Godot really make you think of something lame, nerdy and unattractive?

> open-source

> game development

hummm yes…?

>>14276536

> Unity: 4011

< the flood gates to game trash

how easy is to spurr out a game in unity really?

>>14277352

I've released shat out a game from start to finish in a single week as contract work for companies using Unity. They're absolute dogshit, but completely to specification and I got paid really well. That was while I was in school, too.

>>14277352

In case you were curious, I did it with a mixture of the engine features (really easy to get shit on a screen) and premade assets the clients picked out. Once, I got to design the gameplay, and hired some anon from here to do the graphics. I'm actually proud of that one

>>14277301

>>14277215

looking at my post again it kind of reads as "if you dont have a social media account dont even bother"

What i meant was, that you maybe should create one if you havent already, so more people can see your work.

>>14277215

post more

>>14277709

1. thanks for reminding me there's a new episode

2. the joke is meh

>>14277796

Jesus Christ, anon, that stock walking animation is the most formal/stilted march I've ever seen

>>14276882

The way I deal with complexity is that I make sure that after I write a system, I can just ignore it while I am working on other systems. So, if I write a bunch of code for the command line, I don't have to think about what the command line is doing or how it works when I am busy writing graphics code, I only need to know that "con_printf" prints to the command line. So, I'm only thinking deeply about one system in my engine at a time. I have huge amounts of code that I wrote and I just assume that it works and forget about it. I have all of my things split into clear components and try and reduce the amount of components that depend on each other. So with my console, I just call a few initialization functions, and then all of the complexity inside the console is being dealt with so I can forget about it, similar to how the system I have that interfaces with windows is working too, I never have to think about my code that starts up a window ever unless I want to change how that works. So, I can just have it sitting behind my call to "sys_init(sys)" instead of dealing with the complexity all at once.

>>14277796

Will the player be able to get his strongest potion at some point?

>>14276721

>I know for a fact that I've seen snappy ass Unity games.

And which are these?

>>14277881

Battlerite?

Hey, its MoM anon again. Based on a few of the common concerns for MoM, I devised a to do list to perhaps make the start of the game a bit more forgiving. I want to thank you all for your critique that you have shared!… Heres what I am thinking of tweaking!

- Have an NPC tell you in the first city that enemies within the Land of Magic are optional, and can be fled from

- Have no Goblin Encounters until the first dungeon is cleared

- Include an Extra Alchemy Potion within the Grave Diggers hut

- I could perhaps have it so that you can Use the Death Cap, Mandragora and Nitro Gel to get minor benefits (10 Mana, 10 Health, 10 AP). This would give them a use if you are not playing as the Imp or Mage!

- IF the Ropers are Still difficult after all this, I will nerf their health down to half… but ONLY for the first area. Afterwards they will still retain their 250 HP. They may be easy after all the above changes

- I may exclude ropers from Spawning in the Land of Magic until After the first Dungeon.

Were they any other concerns I should adjust?… I think people wanted me to raise the platform for the First Dungeon to make the puzzle a bit more easier to solve.

How do I start with Vulkan? What's the best language to use with Vulkan? C or C++?

>>14278089

No goblins might be excessive, although I've only played imp so far and haven't been hit by them even once. You might want to make it more obvious they're enemies, since they were the first thing I encountered and just hopped around being cute. If I hadn't already heard people talk about them I might have actually been hit.

If you make nerfed ropers, give them a recolor so it's obvious they (or rather, the later ones) are not quite the same.

The rest of your ideas are good.

>Were they any other concerns I should adjust?

Cooking the hams in the castle seems a tad hard, you have to stand on the edge of the hot plate to throw them on there since it's too high to throw from the floor, and standing on it normally damages you.

Also, someone else doing grammar checks for all your text.

>>14278119

If you have to ask, you shouldn't be using Vulkan. SDL2.0.6 exposes Vulkan functionality, so using that with C or C++ is probably your best bet.

>>14278126

I think having no goblins until the first dungeon will be fine, since as it is, they are technically the first enemy in the game. They can be a bit overwhelming at the start.

Also, it should be noted any fire damage can cook food. So the imps fire tome spell can cook the hams, as well as campfires, etc

Also, I will have an editer go through my text in the final release!

>>14278141

>Also, I will have an editer go through my text in the final release!

Make sure to be as rude as possible to them. The more they suffer, the better their work will be!

>>14278148

The more the editor hates you, the more minuscule mistakes they look for and force you to rewrite things better. It's one of those rare cases of mutual hatred turning into something good.

>>14278089

>Have no Goblin Encounters until the first dungeon is cleared

I think you should have the goblins steal around ~20 gold and have them start to roam in larger and larger packs as you progress.

>>14278249

Looking good, but some of the weight is odd. Fungi are relatively rigid compared to grass, so it doesn't make sense for them to move as much unless you're just doing it so it's cute, which it is.

>>14278249

You got a comfy feel building up in there.

>>14278249

Very good work! Only feedback is that it's a little too jittery, when it should probably be smoother and model long gusts of wind at a time. Or maybe it should alternate from jittery wind to smooth wind.

>>14278425

dat symmetry

>>14278603

i can't help it, i applied the mirror and stared to change the left side a bit, but i hated the result and reverted

>>14278283

>>14278302

>>14278303

Thanks. I'm constantly tweaking the flexibility of objects but in general I'm trying to go for a more lively/cute feel rather than realism. To be honest I'm not really happy with the results yet.

>>14278249

Are the shadows here maps or stencils?

>>14278884

I think a part of the problem the mushrooms have is that while their caps would sway, they wouldn't deform like treebranches or grass would. You'd need to somehow make the cap vertices children of the stem vertices, although at that point it's easier to use bone deformation I think.

Also, everyone knows that to be happy and cute, a mushroom has to bob up and down on the beat of the music.

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anyone in the mood for me to dump some of dumpster fire?

>>14279469

im game

>>14279608

HARDCORE?

>>14279585

I have a mother who plays shit on kikebook, so I kinda know these things. don't worry, I don't use the platform, I just would see her play when talking to her every so often. Most games ask to share your score quite often, and most people dismiss it, but a lot of people do share the scores. It's also common to bother people by asking for extra lives and shit, which are all on a timer otherwise, and if they don't play, that's okay! You can send them invites to play the game, which pop up in the notification tab, right next to friend invites and post responses and shit.

Most of the advertising your kikebook game gets is done for free by people who just really like the game.

>>14279592

I don't get why they claim that this stuff is original. My little cousins play shit like this all the time.

>>14279608

>>14279616

Not unless Apple rips off the Switch and adds physical controls to their tablet.

>>14279638

i'm hurting inside anon